Hi Guys
No fancy discount codes needed.
We have another batch of these machines and I'm doing the same Deal again.
Lenovo Tiny M93p
Core i5 4590t 2.0Ghz (4C4T)
8GB RAM
128GB SSD
Wifi
Windows 10
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SSD is a little small for the artwork that Plex requires, but it depends on your library size. You would need to disable thumbnail generation.
Also unsure how well it would go with hardware acceleration, Plex has issues with particular older CPU models.
Hardware Acceleration shouldn't matter too much if all your clients support Direct Play and you could probably plug in an external hard drive.
Unless you only use Plex with your family, most people use consoles, TV's and other devices which will all need to transcode for certain media.
@samfisher5986: For my use case it's a home media server which goes to 2 Android TVs that can all direct play everything but PGS subtitles.
Not ideal, I got one of these for media PC duties and it can't stream video smoothly on a 4K display.
You must not have configured the codec or player properly as I have no issues regarding decoding h264/h265
It works fine on a 1080p display. 4K display is the issue on mine
How do you configure the codec for Plex Media Servers?
LOL, no way this CPU can playback 4k h265. You need 6th gen intel CPU onwards for hardware decoding for h265…
@ironpaw: incorrect.. hardware decoding is nice to have but hardly required, a good cpu can easily do this via software decoding
of course the downside is heat, noise and power consumption but still definitely viable
Depends… how many streams? resolution, codec, etc?
From: https://support.plex.tv/articles/201774043-what-kind-of-cpu-…
4K HDR (50Mbps, 10-bit HEVC) file: 17000 PassMark score (being transcoded to 10Mbps 1080p)
4K SDR (40Mbps, 8-bit HEVC) file: 12000 PassMark score (being transcoded to 10Mbps 1080p)
1080p (10Mbps, H.264) file: 2000 PassMark score
720p (4Mbps, H.264) file: 1500 PassMark score
From: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4590T…
Average CPU Mark: 5637
Single Thread Rating: 1688
Should handle one 1080p (10Mbps, H.264) transcode easy… maybe two? Nothing 4K.
That is for transcodes though. Direct play everything!
hardly anyone is going to be transcoding those bitrates
hell most people aren't even using x265
I would be interested as well how this perform compared to Nvidia Shield as Plex media server
have one running High Sierra and Plex.
it's very capable for this task
Jellyfin is something to consider over Plex for performance ( it's also a plus for privacy ). I recently made the switch to Jellyfin and it's decoding 4k / large BluRay files without an issue where Plex would often struggle. I'm using Intel Quick Sync and have hardware decoding activated for the following file types: H264, HEVC, MPEG2 and VC1. My media center is running an i5-7500, 8GB of RAM and Debian.
Does this have HDMI out?
1 x VGA and 1 x DisplayPort per listing
Better to adapt from DP to HDMI.
These are hugely useful machines - I'm using a Dell 9020 Micro right now with the same CPU from the same seller. Perfect for an office rig.
If you are in the market for one - watch that you get one with the 4590t rather than 4570t - real quad core and haswell refresh so more sane running temperatures.
True. No point wasting a USB port.
DP only but you can use a HDMI adaptor and it'll work fine including for sound passthrough
Purchased one from the last deal. Now waiting for my VESA mounting bracket from Lenovo.
Asked last time but what's the wifi in this?
Perfect for an emulation box
Perhaps I had a faulty one but found these get loud (due to increase in fan speed) as soon as you use anything involving the onboard graphics. I replaced the thermal paste and cleaned the fan.
Have you tried swapping the fan, it could be the fan bearings?
Or using a bigger but lower rpm fan.
Haven't tried. I did increase the standard fan speed in the bios and made no difference. I could only find replacement fans stripped from other units when I last checked.
Is yours a 4570t or 4590t?
I originally bought a 4570t and it ran super duper hot even with cleaned fan and fresh high quality thermal paste. It'd thermal throttle as soon as you gave it the lightest of loads.
I suspect it might have come good if I had delidded it, but I returned it instead.
My replacement (granted it's a Dell 9020 micro - but very similar) with the 4590t runs cool and quiet.
Mine could be the 4570t also. I've tried removing the lid but all it did was just to take a a little longer before it did the same. Somebody suggested adding some silicone thermal padding around the heatpipe so might do that next.
Win10 Pro, or home?
On the Amazon Q&A it says home.
The one I bought came with Home.
what would one use this for? if not a media system?
basic pc for general tasks for parents… for $200 bucks it's not bad at all
yes this. There really is no point buying anything larger if you have no intention of running a vga or slapping in multiple hdds.
THis quad core thing just about does it all for most people who arent 'professionals'.
Granted it could do with a bigger ssd but that shouldnt even be a question given that 500gb ssds are so cheap and the maintenance manuals are on the website.
I have a soft spot for these because we used to roll these out big time to asx200 spec companies and they really are reliable and anyone can see that there's more than $200 worth of components inside.
Win10 runs smooth. Wont be as nice as say a Ryzen 3600 but really 8gbs and quad core is enough.
The only knock I have is the wifi on some models is poor… a realtek 2.4 but so what? you cant find a way around that?
pi hole
sonar
pfsense
I run W10, on which I have
-OPNsense
-PiHole
-Home Assistant
—Wireguard
-Sonarr
-Radarr
-NAS (with 10TB External HD)
-BlueIris
-And some other crap I can't remember right now…
Runs everything perfectly.
I did beef it up to 16GB ram cause of all the VMs but for normal everyday use, 8GB is plenty.
OPNsense on Windows 10? Is that running in a VM?
Sorry, forgot to mention that all of them are running in VMs except BlueIris and some other crap.
Emulation system. I got a stick-PC and loaded a whole lot of retro game emulators on it.
Got one for my brother, youtube and web surfing.
Works great.
Possibility of fitting a LP Graphics?
Edit: NVM looked at the back of the computer from the photos
Think this is too small for this
I have bought 2 units. The wireless antenna is white for one of the unit and black for the other. It looks odd to have a white antenna for the black unit.
Anyone know the power draw of this device. Would make a great machine for FreeNAS, Pfsense or Docker
Mine is a Dell Optiplex 9020 micro (basically the exact same specs) and runs about 10 - 12W on idle. I've got alot of other crap always running on it (see other comment) so usually it is around the 25W mark.
That's awesome. I was waiting for the Synology DS918+ to drop in price but this will do instead.
How do you do pfsense with one ethernet port?
My plan was to remove the wifi card and replace it with a ethernet to m.2 card.
Are you looking to use it in a case separate to the current one?
@lolcoaster: Use the same case. Since the adapter is a ribbon cable you can just knock out the blank VGA/Serial plate.
@lolcoaster: Google m.2 to ethernet. But in my case, I might go with bortsamson idea of using VLANS.
These do have a whitelist for the wifi cards baked in the to BIOS - not sure if this would stop you in your tracks or not.
You might want to consider the Dell 9020m instead (which doesn't seem to have a blacklist and also has spots for SATA and M.2 drives).
@senorclean: Oh, I thought these were using Wi-Fi cards. I've also been eying the UniFi Security Gateway as these have been selling for $180.
Use a managed switch and use VLANS. Works perfectly but takes a bit longer to setup.
https://blog.spirotot.com/2016/06/28/pfsense-vlans-with-one-…
I have this model from this seller running Ubuntu + Homeassistant, it uses less than 20w on average. Yesterday it used a total of 0.4kwh.
Based on the size, I thought it the hard drive would be M.2.
Looked up a video, and it appears to be a standard 2.5inch hard drive.
These date back to 2013/14.
They still run ddr3 sodimms and the cpu is obviously 4th gen. We are now 11th gen.
😅I was just going off the size and not the specs/age of the unit haha.
btw, you guys who have bought these before off ebay or gumtree.
The ones I got are all 4 core. You can spend a bit less on dual cores and less ram or 500gb hdds but why would you for similar money?
I keep seeing realtek wifi and a single 8Gb dimm. I pulled the 8gb and replaced it with 2 x 4gb 1600 ram from an old laptop to maintain best dual channel performance on the meagre intel gpu.
I think they are Win8 pro but Win10 just autheticates with Win10 Pro so the free pro license is a time saver and with no need to authenticate as the install does it automatically.
Its come down to why I would buy a whitebox PC for $500 off techfast (for example) when for most installs I've done for businesses this thing does just as well with much less power consumption?
Possible to take out cpu and such? I have an old 1150 desktop I was thinking of upgrading.
unless your 1150 has an absolutely dire cpu I wouldnt bother.
these are low watt and you can see base 2.0 burst to 2.9 doesnt cut it against full power desktop cpus….
Bought this to run a splunk server. Works well. Idles at about 12watts.
Hopefully not the daftest question, but will this stream games fine, say Twitch etc.. Anything missing from the setup that would be needed, anyone using one for streaming?
Err do you mean stream as in watch others play on Twitch, if so yes it will be more than enough.
If you mean stream what you are playing, no, it doesn't have a discrete gfx card.
The latter, (while playing). Thanks chap!
This is a USFF (Ultra small form factor) PC so it has no room for a graphics card.
The least you could get away with would be a SFF (small form factor) and add in a low profile graphics card, but even that would be borderline unplayable while gaming and streaming at the same time.
To actually game+stream you really need a dedicated system. A Ryzen 1600 AF is about as good as it gets for an budget entry level system at the moment:
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/521248
Have one of these from a Christmas purchase. Excellent little units!
How would this go watching youtube at 1080p and also downloading 1080p movies and watching them through VLC?
aaaannnndddd they're gone
This is an insane deal. New mini PC with similar specs going for $600 abiet(new)
Anymore units, please?
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damn missed.
Are these 1x 8Gb sodimm? or 2x 4Gb sodimm?
I have a gaming PC, just looking for a separate PC to stream it on.
Wouldn't the gaming rig have enough guts to do both?
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How would this go running plex media centre? Been using a Mac mini with SAD but upgrading that is expensive.