Car 1 and Car 2 want to go into the left moving traffic lane. Actually car 1 wants to go into lane 1 of that traffic.
Which car 1 or 2 should give way to which one once left moving traffic is clear? Victoria
I was in an near accident in the scenerio provided in my MS paint diagram.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkbfzgRNx4I&feature=youtu.be
Closing Poll. I think enough posted.
I wish this was a more known rule. Does my head in people doing u turns on a green light that think they can go first just coz it's green.
In NSW it's actually illegal to do a U-turn at traffic light unless there's a sign permitting that.
https://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/downloads/top-10-mis…
same in SA
Same in TAS and QLD. I believe VIC is the only state where a U-turn is permitted at traffic lights (unless there is a no U-turn sign)
In VIC some people take a U-turn even in middle of the roads when other cars are coming from behind. Not sure how other drivers tolerate it.
@goldkitkat: Nope.. Just U-turns on any wide roads (or sometimes even narrow roads) without any signal or round-about. Particularly Uber/ Taxi drivers.
But, in this case, there were no traffic lights. But I agree with you about people doing illegal u-turns at traffic lights. I suspect that not many people actually get around to learning their road rules these days.
True but is was just a general comment. People have no idea, hence why the cars in the slip lane will wait for the u turn. I even have to wave people through when I'm doing one as others don't know.
It is not illegal to do a u-turn at lights in Victoria unless there is a sign that says no u-turn…
@BewareOfThe Dog: Sure. I always endeavour to stick to the speed limit because it's the law.
I never understood why in NSW — and from what I've been told — mobile speed cameras are marked and there are signs like 200m up the road indicating a mobile speed camera is up ahead because it just notifies people who do normally speed to slow down for the next 30 seconds. The point is to catch people who speed, not notify them to slow down so they can change their behaviour and dodge a fine even though they speed at all other times (i.e. when a mobile speed camera isn't around).
If people have issues with the speed limits it's the road authority's (or whoever) responsibility to take a look at the limits and reassess them, just because you have an issue with a limit doesn't mean you can break the law. If I have an issue with a particular law it doesn't mean I can go ahead and break it just because I disagree with it.
@capslock janitor: At least in NSW they give you ample warning of the speed limit (painted on the road) and speed cameras, whereas in VIC they seem to hide the speed limit signs behind trees and then have a Gestapo unmarked speed camera ping you for 52 in a 50.
@mubd1234: I guess that depends which area - but yes I do see some unkept trees which cover signs. Not good.
If they ping you for 52 in 50 zone don't forget to use the OZB hack for the first fine.
@mubd1234: As a matter of fact Vic Pol give you a 2-3km leeway due to speedo inaccuracies.
It must be just me who doesn't understand the stupidity of warning a speeding driver to slow down because a camera is coming up. It's about catching people doing the wrong thing, warning them that there's a camera in 200m so they can slow down and then speed up again is just silly.
@capslock janitor: Went to Melb early this year and did not notice any hook turns. The way Sydney people bang on about it, you'd think they were everywhere.
Also, drivers in Melb are so much nicer.
@Munki: Hook turns only really exist in the CBD, but yeah you wouldn't see them outside of the CBD.
And I agree about Melbourne drivers, Sydney drivers are aggressive af. I also notice on the daily when driving at night at least ONE driver who hasn't got their headlights on when it's dark in Sydney. The roads in Sydney are just shocking too, absolutely illogically laid out, badly maintained, silly lane changes (e.g. Woodville road where 3 lanes turns into two lanes constantly, i.e. left lane ends, centre and right lanes become the left and middle lane and then right lane ends up turning right, just annoyingly idiotic… there is signage indicating it occurs in 200m or so, but it happens like 5 times from Paramatta Highway to Hume Hwy. It's infurating how stupid the roads are here).
What about a u turner, and someone turning left using a slip lane?
Found the answer down the thread. Must give way to cars turning left from a slip lane
Not sure if every applicable intersection has it, but I can think of a few that actually have signs indicating u-turn must give way.
Example Maroondah Hwy/Springvale Rd intersection.
Sometimes I hate signs with "times" - should be either you CAN or you can't
All u turning vehicles must give way to everyone else, including any pedestrians.
Pedestrians are cocky.
Pedestrians legally have right of way in a lot of situations that ‘cocky’ drivers don’t obey.
Most common thing is crossing the street corner-to-corner with headphones looking at their phone, and jaywalking in the middle on a street.
@capslock janitor: In Victoria if you are more than 20m from a designated pedestrian crossing point, it is perfectly legal to cross if it is safe.
Looking at their phone? Sounds a lot like drivers these days. A driver looking at their phone is gonna do a hell of a lot more damage than a pedestrian looking at their phone.
@jjjaar: Well yes I see plenty of Peds still walk into the middle of the road in peak-hour traffic (and wait on the centre dividing line). They should know better. Some places the worse the more common the offence is.
Some walk like they own the place with total disregard for anybody else.
including bike riders?
The reason for this post is I am usually the one in car 2 tying to get out of our street. The drivers in car 1 always think they have right of way and give me that look.
Go and buy yourself a no u-turn sign and install it. Problem solved.
@Euphemistic. Because drivers will still disobey signs.
Yeah but at least they’ll know you should go first.
Don't care about the Looks - people always feel entitled to 'leave' space etc. at the expense of danger
You don't live in Springvale by any chance?
I have the same trouble often.
In Queensland, a stop sign means that you stop and give way to all traffic; so you should probably give way. But then, the person doing the u-turn should be giving way too! It’s one of those awful roads which really needs traffic lights to sort it out. An expensive option so probably won’t happen any time soon. I suspect that you’re doing the right thing at the moment and waiting until it’s safe to go, so you protect yourself from more aggressive drivers doing u-turns. Good luck with it, Dedbny, be patient, even if you were/are in the right.
Nar a stop sign just means you yield a bit as you approach the intersection. First through the intersection wins.
But in Queensland, those doing a U-turn must give way to all other traffic, so signage does not matter at this point
Just go. Thats what I do. They always stop.
where is this?
Gotta be Springvale!
Car 2 has a Stop sign. You lost! :p
Car one is tryna chuck a yewee, mate. Let the udda bugga go first.
Plot twist Car One is a Hilux Ute with southern Cross mudflaps
Neither of them are turning into the others lane,so why can both turn at the same time?
Because staying in the one lane is, for a lot of drivers, what's known as an 'advanced special driving technique'.
I thought it was known as: "impossible maneuver" … don't bother trying …
Depending on the size of the median (as well as the turning circle of your vehicle, the weather, the alignment of the sun and moon, and whether you'd posted to the OzBargain Forums that day) it'd also possibly be quite difficult to do the u-turn without straying into the left-hand lane.
What happens is that neither actually know if they aren't crossing into the that lane. Its possible they want to go into the other. Major accident likely. Hence why car 1 needs to give way to all left going cars and the one turning left in the street opposite(car 2)
@unelsnake That is the rule, but people don't follow it. In my instance that U turn - car 1 most of the time go straight into lane 1 because they want to make a left turn at the next intersection only 20m away.
@Melb69: Ur post is missing the correct answer, if u want to give way to someone who may break the law that’s your choice, but you don’t need to give way as nothing to give way too..
Just like I could stop at a give way sign in case someone else fails to stop
Not in NSW, can turn from single lane to any multi lane, provided you don't cross any lines that guide the turn
https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/int…
Edit, and someone else has linked the same for Victoria below.
This hasn't been the rule in Vic for many years (maybe.. 20). I remember it was changed.
You can select any lane when turning onto a multi-lane road.
You should stop giving driving advice if you have zero idea of what you're talking about.
How do you know? Unless there's a turn line, you can turn into whichever lane you want to.
Wasn’t when I did my test a good 40 years ago, so don’t know for sure
But I would dare say it’s good practice if not illegal for the reason at hand
My test was close to 20 years ago. Lots could have changed since then too but the RACV website confirms that in the absence of road markings, you can turn into any lane : link
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Good luck making u-turn without crossing across 2 lane if you're driving a ute or 7 seater. For some vehicle you'd be better off staying in left lane.
Never trust anyone on the road is what I tend to follow. Even if a car is coming toward me indicating to turn into the street I will wait until they actually turn into the street. Too many morons around.
Must be VIC?
Coz NSW usually doesn't allow u turns.
Are you sure?
Yes, unless ssign specifically allow you to do so (technically not seen in nsw but common in the act)
You're confusing it with the rule about U turns at traffic lights. You can make U turns at other intersections as errorius pointed out below.
@Gina Rinehart: Lots of people in NSW are confused, about, well lots of things. The intersection in this example does not have traffic lights and from the comments of the OP a "No U-turn" is absent.
@TEER3X: Correct there is no U turn sign for car 1. So that driver should obey giving way to all cars before entering intersection. For VIC
At least at traffic lights.
Yeah, my understanding is in NSW you're not supposed to U-turn unless there's a sign that states you're allowed to.
Drivers are not allowed to make a U-turn:
• at an intersection without traffic lights, where a ‘no U-turn’ sign is displayed
• at a break in a driving strip where a ‘no U-turn’ sign is displayed
• across any of the following:– a single continuous dividing line– a single continuous dividing line to the left of a broken line– two parallel continuous dividing lines.
NSW allows U-turns at ALL intersections EXCEPT for ones with traffic lights or with 'no U-turn' signs.
Stop sign > giveway line
@jar jar binks Because some driver's don't know the road rules and also should give way to car 2.
No one needs to give way in your example…. they are not a collision course
Should any of those drivers cross lanes, they are at fault
Should any of those drivers cross lanes, they are at fault
I'm pretty sure that's not right. Happy to be corrected if the rules have changed since I sat my driving test.
Making a left turn as indicated by a turn line
(1) If a driver is turning left at an intersection and there is a turn line indicating how the turn is required to be made, the driver must make the turn as indicated by the turn line (…)
Otherwise , you can pick any lane. Good practice is to pick the closest one but good practice is not the law.
Edit :
This is confirmed on the RACV website :
Turning into a multi-lane road
Road safety rules for turning into a multi-lane road:
when making a turn into a multi-lane road, pay close attention to the line-markings on the road, as these will show you if you have to turn into a specific lane. If there are no line markings, you can turn into any lane.For more information, see rules 29 and 33 of the Victorian Road Safety Road Rules 2017.
@[Deactivated]: @unclesnake @jar jar bunks edit makes sense as you may want to go into the lane you want to be in next to be ready for next change of direction at intersection only a few meters up. Other wise your going into that left moving traffic and then indicating again to move in to preferred lane. Possibly holding up traffic again I'd busy. Which is what you should do normally to change lanes.
By the way. No one indicates any more. That's another topic. Drives me bonkers. It's not like it's hard to do.
I thought in VICTORIA you have to hook as far left without hitting the curb. Hit the right blinker making sure you disturb as many peoples flow of forward direction behind you as possible before executing the right turn from the far left gutter and everyone must give way maneuver.
AKA The Hook Turner from Melbourne
@hawkeye That's in the city where hook turn signs only. You don't do hook turns anywhere else.
Only happens in streets with tram traffic
I didn't neg you.
disturb as many peoples flow of forward direction behind you as possible before executing the right turn from the far left gutter and everyone must give way maneuver.
As someone who never drives in the CBD and often catches the tram, I love hook turns :)
Ps: Bikes are allowed to do hook-turns anywhere in Oz. http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_reg/arr210/s35…
if there was no stop sign, car 2 would need to give way to car 1 yeah?
The problem is there is no signal for a U-turn, so people expect that Car 1 is actually turning right.
Car 2 shouldn't wait because it should assume Car 1 is doing a simple right turn. Car 1 won't interfere with Car 2 turning left. That race car coming towards it though might be an issue.
U turn is always last priority for the exact reason you mentioned - there is no way to signal for a U turn.
That's why when I'm car 2 I always wait. I assume they are turning right and If I go and they are doing a u-turn, they will always go at the same time as I take off and I end up stopping so I don't hit them.
It would be nice if people doing U-turn waited but at least where I am they don't.
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I think car 2 should give way to car 1, but I see most votes already say otherwise.
Car 1 has to give way to everyone as he’s making a u turn