Car 1 and Car 2 want to go into the left moving traffic lane. Actually car 1 wants to go into lane 1 of that traffic.
Which car 1 or 2 should give way to which one once left moving traffic is clear? Victoria
I was in an near accident in the scenerio provided in my MS paint diagram.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkbfzgRNx4I&feature=youtu.be
Closing Poll. I think enough posted.
looks like vettel needs to give way to ricciardo
Is Vettel still car number 1?
Drive-thru penalty for both car 1 and car 2 for rejoining the track in an unsafe manner.
@Archi Vettle would have already gone around the corner and the next even before Danni Ric had a chance to do his left turn on that corner. No need for give way.
This is the exact reason that u turns at lights in nsw are illegal unless indicated by a sign.
In Victoria however:
https://www.racv.com.au/on-the-road/driving-maintenance/road…
Car 1 needs to give way to everything in existence. It makes more sense to me that if I were in car 1 it would be prudent to wide turn into the lane closest to the middle to avoid a potential collision and then change a couple hundred metres down.
The issue with this being a valid road rule is that if I’m in car 2 and have a shitty damaged car I may wait and accidentally accelerate in front of car 1 for a free repair.
I wouldn’t do it but I’m sure there are some that would
I live this scenario every day! I have written to main roads several times to request a no u-turn sign as this intersection has had one death already. They disagree and told me to get evidence to report these drivers to police. Yeah like I’m going to write down rego when I’ve just avoided a crash!Every day I have to anticipate the u turn driver cleaning me up.
Found this from Vicroards. Don't know about NSW. Probably same.
The simple rule to remember is drivers performing U-turns are required to give way to all other vehicles and pedestrians. This includes giving way to vehicles turning left from a slip lane or a side street even if they are facing a Give Way or Stop sign.
A driver must not begin a U-turn unless they have a clear view of any approaching traffic and can safely make the U-turn without unreasonably obstructing the free movement of traffic.
That’s interesting and sounds correct. BUT, I thought that you had to also give way to all traffic if you’re facing a Stop sign? If so, that creates this confusing situation. (But your post DOES include mention of giving way to traffic facing a stop sign. No wonder there’s confusion here.
I was confused as well. Always thought whoever is on main road has right of way. I have more than 10 years driving experience in Europe and that's how it is there. Not sure if all countries though.
U-turns are the lowest rank of all turns. Give way to literally everyone and everything. If you have an accident when making a U-turn you are 100% at fault.
Oh come on, come on
It's not hard to learn
Come on, come on
It's called the U-Turn
Great video
I was really ready to start defending the "U turn" as I hadn't seen good evidence they were wrong.
Then I saw your video.
Thank you for a concise, and conclusive post.
This video really needs to be pinned to the top of the thread
The only place car 2 should give way is when they are turning left from a slip lane (that isn't directly at the intersection, but more to the left of the screen in the above example)
It isn't only U turns, lots of drivers don't seem to understand to give way to traffic on their right and those already on roundabouts
Another one of my favourites is cars cruising down bus lanes, but I think a lot of them have cameras so they should be getting tickets
In NSW
General traffic is also permitted to travel in a bus lane for up to 100 metres to:
Turn left or right into or out of a street.
Enter or leave a property adjacent to the bus lane.
Pass another vehicle that has stopped to turn right or to avoid an obstruction.
Probably the same as VIC, but I'm talking about people driving in bus lanes for kilometres thinking they are cool or something
If you need to ask such an obvious question, better not drive
surprised this needed a ozbargain post, never seen the signs that clearly state 'U-TURN MUST GIVE WAY' ?
maybe bring this up with your local council and ask them if it will be possible to install a sign or something, if it really bothers you that bad :)
@sm1le A sign may minimise the issue, but suspect it won't. Only bothers me how not everyone knows the proper rules.
Any car turning right or even a U turn must give way to ALL traffic
Neither. And then when they run into each other, they should make a new account here and ask who is in the wrong and never ever reply to any questions and then disable their account when they don’t get the answers they were wanting…
you forgot the most important thing…. lie and LIE some more
So true. Amazingly no accidents as I always tend to er on precaution. But then you have that awkward situation that car 1 driver looks at you waiting for you to go. Anyway. Thought it was an interesting topic to rouse up the OZbers who think they know all.
first in best dressed like roundabouts then have fun with the insurance….. or do the safe thing to start off with because driving in vic probably the other states thesedays is not about watching how you drive but also watching and avoiding others
Car 2 turns left can go before Car 1 turns right.
Hallam Rd, close to school?
too much unnecessary drama going on here
No drama. I do worry that we have more than 1 result in poll though.
at least add a bit of plot to the story. your car got scratched or someone died. make it up if you have to. nothing happened here. zzZZzz….
Cars turning left must be given way by car turing right or U turn.
https://www.racv.com.au/on-the-road/driving-maintenance/road…
Check making a U turn explains that Car 1 should give way to Car 2.
F1 cars are illegal to be driven in Vic Roads :)
VicRoads exemption for Race weekends ;) Ferrari under investigation for causing so much drama in the forum.
i have a mirror image traffic condition of yours near my place, during peak hours i just avoid U turn here all together. During off peak hours, even though left turn (side traffic) cars don't have to giveway to my U turn vehicle, "most of them" tend to let me pass if they see me arriving first for U turn (probably a goodwill gesture).
This situation drives me nuts on the exit from Chadstone Shopping Centre on to Dandenong Road.
Every sequence of the lights there is a stream of cars doing a u-turn on Dandenong Road to head East and the majority tend to take the full three lanes to make their turn and think they have right of way.
There is even a "U turn must give way sign" at the lights on Dandenong Rd
I live near a shopping centre nearby where cars need to line up at the first traffic light for a Uie to make it back to other side all the time.
To me it makes sense to give way to them if I'm on the Left turn/slip lane otherwise it would obstruct they traffic…
Issue is that Dandenong Road is bloody busy and if you don't get out while the crossed traffic is stopped you'll be stuck for ages
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Uturn must give way to all traffic. Period.
Why are more people with a driver license asking traffic 101 type questions nowadays? Did they actually pass the written and the driving tests? Or, they just crammed for the exams?
Mine was multichoice when I did my learners test
This kind of scenario wasn't in my give way test when I did my L's.
I don't remember this question in my Roadbook or test as well.
Because there are the few with drivers licenses that don't know the rules.
To those saying Car 1 needs to give way. If this was a median turning lane (no traffic lights). How would Car 2 know Car 1 is attempting to do a U turn. The intersection outside my house is exactly like this (I would have to navigate this 3-5 times a week) and about 50% of the cars do U-Turns and the rest turn right.
Universally at this intersection, everyone abides by Car 1 gets to go first (To complete the U-turn or Right turn), then Car 2 will go when safe to do so. I follow this pattern too.
At traffic lights, it would be the opposite as there is always a sign that says U-Turn must give way.
By the rule book and in this context, cars doing a U-turn must give way to ALL traffic: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-r…
I think this is a clear, textbook case that Car 1 is in the wrong.
How would Car 2 know Car 1 is attempting to do a U turn.
They don't. My driving instructor said in this case, Car 1 should turn right instead of doing a U-turn.
I follow this pattern too.
Even though the rule book says otherwise, remember safe driving. If you can prevent a crash, just do it.
Here is the actual legislative reference from the Victorian ROAD SAFETY ROAD RULES 2017 - REG 73:
(2) If the driver is turning left (except if the driver is using a slip lane) or right from the terminating road into the continuing road, the driver must give way to—
(a) any vehicle travelling on the continuing road (except a vehicle making a U-turn on the continuing road at the T-intersection); and
(b) any pedestrian who is crossing the continuing road at or near the intersection.
Poll should be called "Should I hand in my license right now?"
There also has to be a law against making up your own traffic signs.
These posts still manage to surprise me sometimes.
The responses surprise you? I think it's is a great eye opener. Hence why it was posted.
Yes the fact that people who can't confidently answer this question drive on our roads is bad enough. But in this case your statement "By the way. I think I will try and make a sign and stick in on that corner for car 1." which you have since deleted from your OP but is available in revisions is just plain scary. In what place on Earth do you see traffic laws that allow people to just make up and post their own road signs working?? Even if it's an existing rule, I don't see how you could have thought it was a good idea.
Put bluntly you shouldn't be on the road until you learn the road rules and it scares me that you and others like you manage to obtain a license.
@syousef I am the driver in car 2 by the way. I had deleted the signpost note as it wasn't to be taken seriously. You can't put up your own signs without approval.
So if you were in this situation and you wanted to turn right? How do you determine if the car is attempting to U-turn or a right turn? Sometimes it isn't as clear cut as it seems.
In the original diagram Car 1 can turn right while car 2 turns left without any collision so there's not an issue with right of way.
If your hypothetical is car 2 turning right while car 1 turns right, car 1 has right of way and car 2 has to wait. When it becomes clear that car 1 has made a u-turn not a right turn, then car 2 can proceed. Either way if turning right, car 2 gives way.
Indicators, the attitude of the car, and where the driver is looking also give cues if you pay attention. But the bottom line is if you're not sure it's safe you shouldn't be pushing ahead.
The road rules have developed over time and most of the time it is actually pretty clear. When it's not clear you have right of way, you simply shouldn't proceed and drivers can signal each other with gestures and proceed carefully if there's a real deadlock. Experienced drivers have seen this many times and are comfortable with it which is one reason experienced drivers are less likely to end up having a collision.
Remember a simple rules. Always give way to the Right. Car 1 will be on your right when it hit you. I live in a similar street situation like this and 99% of the time I see car 2 driver give way to car 1 regardless car 1 is doing U-turn or right turn. Safety first. Who knows if car 1 is doing a U-turn or right.
Car 1, in your diagram,
Should clearly have user handbrake, 180 handbrake turn, with rear landing in the slip lane ,
Heated tyres while allowing that moment for car 2 to complete their own drift…
Then once path is clear, hit it 😀
Read the rulebook. Clearly states U Turn must give way to everyone
depends who hits the apex first
Mitigated as they need to wait for traffic moving left in OP version. If no traffic and 1 car gets there before the other then it would work that who ever got there first and its clear either car could enter main road.
It appears to me that everyone here has missed two major mistakes in the diagram.
Lets see if anyone can work it out.
@Snake 4 No mistakes, just my bad MS Paint job. But it shows the scenario properly. The set up is a per my street intersection.
Looks like they updated the Road Rules and this makes more sense IMO.
Under the current rules there is a clash when a driver is making a U-turn on a road and another driver is waiting to enter the road at the same time from a road-related area.
The rules state each driver must give way to the other, but the coming change gives the driver making the U-turn right of way over the entering driver.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/on-th…
Ms paint diagram or animation with commentary.
What do you think that tells you?