The Seagate Expansion Desktop Hard Drive allows you to instantly add storage capacity to your PC. It has plug and play functionality which is automatically recognised by Windows operating systems and configured without any additional software installation necessary.
Well that makes it the cheapest way to get 4tb's of internal storage.
Technically stealing one would be cheaper.
Years ago, I purchased 4 of these, ripped out the drives and used in my NAS.
Unsure of the exact drives in these, as they tend to mix them up.
My 4 were 2 different drives
Just received shucked mine, it's a Seagate Barracuda ST400DM004
ditto, great deal thanks OP
Yes, it can be removed and used as an internal drive. Done it today, from what I could see it's a standard green seagate barracuda drive. Testing tomorrow in new rig. Will update further.
I recently uncased (shuck) a Seagate 8TB from a similar enclosure; it is easier to do than removing Western Digital external drives. I just used a screwdriver to push a corner out and then the sides pulled off easily. With Western Digital drives you need something like old credit cards to pull along the edges.
…4tb? nice!
For those who cant get to a office works store their ebay listing for the same product comes with FREE express delivery
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Seagate-4TB-Expansion-Desktop-Ha…
OW has free delivery for order over $55, so it does not matter through which channel you buy it from.
matters with eBay GC and/or 1% shopback app.
Thank you vid_ghost!
The question is will you trust its delivery man?
Nope… $25.95 to Outback SA
$24.25 per TB.
Buy buy buy!
$133.00 [SGEX4000DE] Seagate 4TB Expansion Desktop Hard Drive
Static ice.
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=4tb&spos=3
well the normal price is $133 so its not super crazy if you miss it :) its just a good deal if you need it.
Tough gig.
OPs deal is a massive reduction. Basically 30-35% off. Good deal
all my sata slots are used up. I need bigger drives, not more drives.
@AustriaBargain: Same. Have to start replacing all my small sized hard drives with larger size drives.
Can't say I like Seagate drives, 3 out of 4 have failed on me :-(
Objection your honour! This is anecdotal evidence.
Ooh a Phoenix Wright case. What a turnabout!
I don't see what's wrong with anecdotal evidence per se. If it's true, it's as valid as any other kind of evidence.
Or are you saying that if Red October had bought his four drives specifically to test the failure rate (rather than just to use them), that would have made the evidence somehow more valid? I'm afraid I can't see the difference.
Oh, and don't yell at your disk drives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4&feature=youtu.be…
Although I think that's anecdotal evidence as well.
If he had bought them to test them then yes it would be more valid I believe, as he would have published the results regardless. With anecdotal evidence, people with a bad experience tend to provide more feedback than those without a problem (who will just use the product without leaving a review), and so the average review/feedback will have a negative bias.
@BarneyKB: How about 7 or 8 bad experiences? Does that count?
People will always leave more negative feedback. Even reviews will tend to get more attention and traffic if they are negative. It doesn't make the experiences or tests any less relevant.
Drives are like brakes on your car. 99% reliability isn't good enough!
@syousef: I'm not actually saying that bad experiences aren't important to share, I'm just trying to justify why a proper test and review is more reliable than someone who didn't intend to review the item, but ended up having a bad experience. Statistically, there will always be some unlucky people who get a lot of bad samples, and this may or may not be representative of the whole. For example, the original commenter's statement that 3 out of 4 drives failed on them is clearly not representative of the entire seagate drive pool, however that doesn't mean that they aren't telling the truth. They likely just got quite unlucky.
@syousef: Yes, backblaze is reliable. If we look at this table: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/li…
Which represents the all time drive failures, it is clear that the seagates are slightly more prone to failure, however it's obviously nowhere near the 25% failure rate. That's what I'm trying to say.
@BarneyKB: Backblaze use their drives in a very specific scenario and retire them early. They don't use the same nf each brand and model. They're very good about recognizing the limitations of their own data. So while it's better to rely on their numbers than any one person's experience it's not the end all be all. When many people are telling you the same thing - that they've seen multiple drives fail and when those reports cluster around particular drives and models it's worth paying attention. And of course if you're the one who's had the bad luck of having to deal with a string of failures from one manufacturer while having no issues with another, you're not likely to keep going back to that manufacturer. I went from a Seagate preferred, WD distant second guy to a guy who won't touch Seagate for exactly that reason. WD has been good for my purposes. Seagate has not.
I have had a bunch fail on me over the years. When the 3 TB drives came out QC went down the drain. I've had nothing but bad luck with Seagate since. I think about 7 drives vs 1 WD ever. It's a real pity because Seagate use to be my drive of choice, but I cannot in good conscience buy them anymore.
Did you notice that 4TB and 12TB Seagate (and the 6TB WD, 14TB Toshiba also, though the count is small and it's not reported in the 2019 stats) have quite high failure rates.
If you buy a drive with >2% per year failure rate in a very well setup environment, even if they're run longer than you'll run the drive, you're likely buying problems. One thing I don't see in Backblaze stats is the start/stop count for the drive. External drives tend to have spindown that you can't disable built into the drive. It's supposedly meant to prolong life and save power but I don't know if it does indeed prolong life or increase wear.
I have had maybe 30-40 external drives over the last 10 or so years. I'm a heavy user because I love my photography and we have multiple consoles in the house. I have no desire to do formal stats on my drives and in truth even though I'm a heavy user in terms of home usage, the numbers still wouldn't be statistically significant and the use isn't anywhere near as controlled as Backblaze. But if I did, Seagate 3 and 4 TB drives would come off much worse than 2% annual failure rate.
@syousef: I consider circa 2% peanuts - that's one in fifty, and you can see that despite their failure rate they make the commercial decision to overwhelmingly deploy Seagate HDD's.
The Phantom Analysis.
EDIT: Hang on, you're the binocular/telescope guy. I take everything back.
@[Deactivated]: 2% per year. 1 in 10 will fail in 5 years. Unacceptable in itself but as I said my failure rate is higher. I have external 14 WD drives sitting on my desk and 2 Seagate. I started off with all Seagate. (8 or 9 back then). Perhaps some of that is bad luck but I just can't keep buying them.
Backblaze use drives in RAID. They can tolerate a higher individual failure rate, so long as it's not too high (i.e. multiple drives fail simultaneously losing data despite the RAID). It then becomes a question of price per TB (or for them more like PB) when taking into account the failure. One of their earlier blogs explained this, and if I had time I'd dig it up. Their blog posts are always worthwhile.
Thanks for the compliment re binocs and telescopes. I'm just a crazy enthusiast that owns too many of them. :)
Backblaze use drives in RAID. They can tolerate a higher individual failure rate….
Yes i had suspected that's why it likely worked for them, but it's good to hear it confirmed. And yes, this means their choices don't necessarily translate to the mug punter.
These days i just assume every HDD i get will fail spontaneously, and act accordingly. Every time i hear of someone losing a novel on their laptop after their disk fails i cry, like out loud - no, not for the lost manuscript, but for their abject failure to back things up, even if it's to a floppy disk.
@[Deactivated]: Yep. Multiple backups of anything important and multiple locations. Work or a trusted relative for the offsite copy and update as regularly as your schedule allows taking great care when the drives are all in one location.
Also a lesson almost I learnt the hard way - only have your backup copy online as long as necessary. All it takes is one crypto virus and your multiple copies are worthless. Always one copy offline. And have some way of verifying the data.
@syousef: I'm as dumb as i can manage to be with backups. Haven't quite got the location spread yet - i really should fix that. But my needs are limited - maybe 120G critical data + 200G less critical data + OS backups + crap (movies etc). Key data is split off into that first category (separate partition) so i can easily back it up more often - financial crap etc. I'm in a world of pain if that ever vanishes.
Don't use offline - don't trust it. No data verification going on either - not sure how to make that happen TBH.
@[Deactivated]: The reason you want offsite backup is that otherwise something like a theft or house fire could wipe you out.
Offline backups you can achieve with something as simple as a USB hub that has individual switches to activate/deactivate ports. Then only when you're doing the backup will you have the drive active and writable. If you only have the drive online when you're updating the backup, That'll minimize your exposure to viruses etc. Obviously never activate that backup if you suspect you've been exposed.
@syousef: Your maths is off.
2 out of 100 first year
1.96 the second year
1.9208 the third year
1.882384 the 4th
1.84473632 the fifth.
So 9.60792032 of 100 will fail in 5 years. Of which the first 3 are warranty, so 5.8808 aren't considered a loss to the consumer.
So technically 3.72712032 per 100 will be a cost to the end consumer per 5 years. Im sure thats acceptable to upper management
@Seedy seed: No my math is not off, but your engineering sure is. 2% of the original population, not the dwindling population.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/failure-rat…
"The failure rate is also known as the hazard rate, sometimes called the instantaneous failure rate. This is the ratio of the survivors at any given time to the total initial population"
If you're going to correct someone, please make sure you are correct in the first place.
@Seedy seed: You tell me I can't do math, in the rudest possible way, responding to a post that is weeks old, and then call me rude for pointing out that you're the one in error? Ok keep waiting. Hold your breath even.
While I'm on the topic of incorrect, if you've had any private data on the drive, and you send it in for warranty, you're asking for trouble. To be clear I'm not talking about filth you downloaded or took of a partner. I'm talking about bank account details etc. And warranty replacements are usually refurbs, many of which have already failed and would have a higher expected failure rate because refurb is usually not as thorough as manufacturing. Any drive that fails I count as a total loss.
@syousef: Sorry if i upset you, it was a joking comment, i suppose i should use a winky face in the future. Also interesting link.
I don't like any HDD manufacturer, I've had drives die from every brand :(
I have 4 failed drives in last 10 years, 3 of them are Seagate. All the drives I used them for about 3 years. After that just use them as download disk. These 3 Seagate all failed in the first 3 years. You can say I am not lucky. However, I will not buy Seagate anymore.
Yeah agree, had 4 Seagate drives fail in the last 4 years. Compared to one WD portable (which was raped and molested with downloads and copying, over 20tb worth in a short time). Makes me worry about the Ironwolf I've got!
Thank you for posting this OP:)
Would this work and be suitable as network storage when plugged into a Netgear (R7000) router?
Thanks :)
Remember this requires ac power and so a huge pain in the ass
Not if you shuck it.
…thanks for pointing that out….assumed it was the same setup as the 3tb seagate i bought earlier this year from an OW deal i.e usb3/no ac required
For future reference anything Desktop or 3.5" will require power, anything Portable or 2.5" won't.
For future reference anything Desktop or 3.5" should be shuckable, anything Portable or 2.5" has a chance of not.
Kicking myself for buying the 3TB version three days ago!!!
This one requires external power, as pointed out above. So 1 TB less for a smaller and easier drive isn't so bad (I bought the 3TB too)
Whew!
3 TB
3 days
HL3 Confirmed!
A gentlemen and a scholar! Great link…
Must this require AC power or can you just plug in via USB and it'll work?
It needs both to function, ac for power and usb for data transfer.
Must this require AC power
No.
just plug in via USB and it'll work?
No. You need 12V DC supply.
You could use your car or a UPS instead of the included AC adapter.
Or even draw 12V from you desktop.
Hard to watch a movie, with the car running in the home theater.
With that attitude many things would be a chore!!!
I think I might get one for my PS4
this is a 3.5 inch drive? unless you mean to connect it via usb to ps4?
USB to PS4
Very newbie question - how do you do this?
It can work as an external drive to ps4?
I've previously run one of these into death on my Xbox One X. More or less the thing would spin up every 40 seconds or so for 15 seconds then stop. Repeating endlessly. No mix of settings would get it to stop and eventually it just stopped reading altogether (to be fair could have been anything that ended up killing it) I never tried it on my PS4, just thought I'd share in the hope it doesn't do the same.
I have the 8tb model and used to use it on my ps4. it’s a very loud drive, especially when installing updates. It was so annoying after a while that i bought a portable western digital drive and now use that instead. So I wouldn’t recommend it.
All these cheap drives!
I brought 2x 2.5" drives on Tuesday for $79 each… would have muched rather a few 4TB's. Physical size didn't matter.
Physical size didn't matter.
Hi, I'm juiciness. Nice to meet you.
Does anyone know what drive is in this? 5400 RPM I assume? Would like to shuck it.
Most likely Barracuda. Just be aware that some Barracuda are SMR drives.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/86sf1z/psa_reg…
Just received shucked mine, it's a Seagate Barracuda ST400DM004
ST400DM004
Or is it a ST4000DM004?
ST4000DM004 is a SMR drive and here is its sustained random write performance against the non-SMR ST4000DM000: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/horrific-zfs-performance-…
Thanks … ordered with free same day delivery!
Each post about HDD's is weird to me, everyone talking failures … I must live in some fantasy world because I've not had a HDD fail on me in the last 20 years over a few computers and I now have 4 SSD's and ~10 platter drives in the 1.5 to 4TB range (most used with docks). Mind you last few years all apps/games are installed on SSD. Platter is just for storage, torrents etc.
You are lucky. Had multiple HDD failures (1 WD, 2 Seagate) and SSD failures (1 Samsung, 2 el cheapo brand but with Samsung NAND, 1 Sandisk). 1 Seagate failure was a board failure, managed to repair with a replacement board and BIOS implant. All SSD failures had no prior warning sign, just died, completely unrecoverable.
I hate you.
It's not all bad. You know to backup important files regularly right?
I have no less than 7x external 2TB HDD's for backups (mix of 2.5" & 3.5") - maintaining a spreadsheet showing (a) the disk, each of which has been given a name and labelled, (b) what has been backed up, and (c) notes specific to each backup (such as the apparent state of the OS or recent installs). I essentially stripe backups over these disks.
Trauma can lead to this kind of thing…
So can you strip out the drive for use in a desktop?
Hate using these powered bulky drives. 1.36 kg wow :)