Pretty cheap deal, it has been discounted by more than $1000 and it has decent specs
Operating System:Windows 10 Home 64bit English
Storage Type:HDD + SSD
Graphics Processing Type:Dedicated Graphics
Processor Type: Intel® Core™ i7-9700
Video Card:NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1660Ti 6GB GDDR6
Memory: 8GB(1X8G), DDR4, 2666MHz
Most Suitable For:Light Gaming
Hard Drive Capacity: 1TB 7200RPM SATA
SSD Capacity: 256GB M.2 SATA SSD
RRP:$2699
Indeed - probably the most important part when listing a 'gaming pc' :)
Not to be a jerk but I wouldn't touch this deal with a 10ft pole. The specs aren't great for $1500 let alone $2700. This is a better system (More ram, more SSD storage, likely to be a much better quality PSU and case. Motherboard likely to be better)
| Type | Item | Price |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor | $198.00 @ Shopping Express |
| Motherboard | MSI - B450M MORTAR TITANIUM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $149.00 @ JW Computers |
| Memory | Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory | $108.11 @ Amazon Australia |
| Storage | Crucial - P1 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive | $79.00 @ Shopping Express |
| Storage | Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $54.50 @ Shopping Express |
| Video Card | MSI - GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card | $429.00 @ Shopping Express |
| Case | Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case | $55.00 @ BudgetPC |
| Power Supply | Silverstone - Essential 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply | $79.00 @ Mwave Australia |
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts | ||
| Total | $1151.61 | |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-19 12:12 AEST+1000 |
Hardly being a jerk. I thank you for providing such relevant discussion points. Very helpful.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dell-Inspiron-5676-Gaming-Deskto…
How about this instead for $1080 already built and with windows
thats a bit better of a deal, can't build it cheaper but you are probably still getting a bunch of dell parts that aren't easy to upgrade with.
I actually picked one of these up a few days ago from JB Hi Fi, same specs slightly different case. Actually got them to match the previous eBay deal of $1279 for it so they may even match $1080 (damnit!) it’s actually my first gaming / desktop of any sort so after a long while of searching PC Part Picker etc I decided going for a prebuilt to start my journey to the dark side might be best to kick start me for ease of warranty concerns etc, and so far haven’t had any issues. There are slots in there for upgrades like GPU apparently, probably needs a bigger PSU to do so I’ve been told, but might just start with upgrading the ram when needed.
Whilst obviously the smarter option is building one yourself I just wanted to post a story from the other side of a positive nature.
I've read the motherboard/bios that Dell uses restricts ram speed to a maximum of 2400Mhz which is rather disappointing.
Yeah I bought mine as a refurbished unit for $1009. I couldn't build anything close for that price. Only thing I'll upgrade is RAM to 16gb.
@neferseki
Gaming and productivity wise, the dell pc in this deal should still outperform your suggested build. However the dell is definitely a bit unbalanced with the 8gb ram. The storage is personal preference.
Instead you should try avoid 2nd gen ryzen cpu if all you are doing is gaming. Either go for Intel or 3rd gen ryzen.
Also ryzen builds tend to like faster ram, but getting it to work is another story.
i'd argue the statement that intel is better productivity wise except a couple of applications and even then that only applies to the unlocked 9700k and not the 9700 as this thing has terrible base clocks. You are talking a 8c/8t cpu thats locked at 3GHz with a single core turbo of 4.7GHz vs a 6c/12t cpu that can turbo up to 4.2GHz all core (mine all core turbos to 4GHz with out of box settings)
However the CPU i have chosen is vastly cheaper and better value hence why I chose it, If i wanted to get the price up closer to the original deal I could put something quite a bit more powerful, However I would actually upgrade the GPU first with the leftover money making this a much better gaming machine as that is likely to be the limiter with a 6core CPU anyway. Making this PC probably better in most productivity tasks and gaming.
Also keep in mind that I have put in much needed upgrades like more and faster RAM and more SSD storage which is going to increase the cost of the dell build if you tried to upgrade that as 8GB is really not that good anymore for a gaming machine.
Don't forget the window….
You conveniently did not include Windows due to cost.
Or a keyboard or mouse or better warranty and support.
Also Ryzen are cheaper than Intel.
https://www.ozgameshop.com/operating-systems/microsoft-windo… $83
Here you go the PC i linked is still a few hundred cheaper whilst better specs, also a mouse and keyboard combo can be as cheap as $10.
and sure, ryzen is cheaper than intel but they are currently much better value? Short of using an intel CPU with a 2080 or higher anyway its not going to make a difference.
This is a better system
Yes, with the caveat that you have to order the parts individually and from 5 different suppliers, and then assemble them yourself for the less tech-savvy, take them to a PC hardware store like PLE or MSY to have assembled (plus labour costs).
Also, any warranty claims are going to be an absolute nightmare.
The Dell comes with a 1-year, in-home service warranty, which is a lot more convenient.
Not saying that build is trash or the Dell isn't overpriced, but a random list of parts from 5 different retailers is not applicable for a good percentage of buyers who just want the finished product and the peace of mind of knowing they can get it easily fixed if anything happens in the first 12 months.
As wwwsam already pointed out, realistically, the Dell will probably be slightly better at gaming anyway, due to the Intel i7 9700's better single-core/single-threaded performance. The Ryzen 5 2600 might have a leg up in some niche use cases which wouldn't matter to most buyers.
Sure valid points, but you can in fact give the parts list to most computer stores and get them to build it for you and they will likely have a warranty policy as thats well australian consumer law. From memory MSY charges like $75 to build it and the parts may be like an extra $50.
Not saying prebuilts don't have their perks but its still way too much money. Also 1 year is not a very long time and likely to never be used.
the other dell prebuilt that the guy linked with the ryzen CPU and amd GPU is better value than this one though, I'd recommend that one over this for value for money. Otherwise I'd recommend going elsewhere for prebuilts.
also would you like me to put together a list thats cut back to more likely represent what you are going to get from the dell PC? that is take away 8GBs of RAM, take away the 500GB ssd and put a cheap dramless 250gb one in, put a cheap 80+ white PSU in, the cheapest motherboard as the dell is likely to be a h310 proprietary one. Could probably save hundreds there.
So first of all let me just get some rough numbers. The CPU in mention here is a 9700 locked cpu. This CPU has 20% lower clocks than the 9700k which will result in a 20% performance drop, although I can't really find any reviews on it yet as I have no idea if this CPU has MCE (Multi-core enhancement) or not (most locked intel CPUs do not have MCE) so I just have to extrapolate its performance based on the 9700k and the difference in clock speed.
If we go on the assumption that MCE is disabled due to whole point of the locked CPU is to keep TDP under its rated 65W:
Now the r5 2600 isn't locked and has PB (precision boost, essentially ryzens version of MCE) The 9700k itself is 30% in single core performance ahead of the 2600 and 17% ahead in multicore, but with that 20% performance loss and the assumption that the ryzen cpu will all core boost a bit better the margin between these 2 cpus is going to drop to below 10% for single core performance and negative for multicore.
Meaning yes still slightly behind on gaming but better (in most cases) productivity. However the gaming performance is actually limited by the 1660Ti not the CPU on this rig.
the main point in using the 2600 instead of the 3600 which is much better gaming performance wise and closes the gap significantly with intel (especially some locked intel CPU with low clocks to keep TDP down) is that you can upgrade the GPU to a much more powerful RTX 2070 or RX 5700 XT. Heck with the $450 price difference (If i matched the exact specs of the dell pc) you might even be able to get the ryzen 5 3600 and the 5700XT in budget.
Now I could very well be wrong, and people will have to make their own decision but here is my honest opinion. The above dell PC is not worth $1500, I would pay $1200 Maximum for it.
Hi Neferseki, do you reckon this is good deal for Adobe, also is it better to get new or used one from gumtree?
@h4zey: hey there, adobe is one of the production programs that benefits a good deal from single core performance so you may still want intel. The new 3rd gen ryzen CPU's are also decent however the top end of those can get pretty pricey.
I still don't believe this is really a "good" deal as just searching through the previous deals this exact PC from dell was $60 cheaper last month. The problem I face with recommending this PC is that the CPU is a locked i7, instead of an unlocked one. What this means is they have slowed the CPU down signficantly which is going to hurt adobe performance.
I havent dabbled much in the used market so I can't really help there.
I would check out what a local PC shop can do for you and compare from there.
@neferseki: Thanks mate, appreciate the input, what build do you recommend for something around 1-1.5k?
@h4zey: What will be your main use cases e.g. adobe, gaming etc and build yourself or try and find a prebuilt or just a partlists $200 under budget and maybe get a pc store to build?
@neferseki: No gaming, me daughter doesn't game.. it will be mainly Adobe, maybe can build myself otherwise get someone to build it?
@h4zey: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Jf2K6s
oh and just want to mention that you will need to get the shop to update the bios to support ryzen 3rd gen. Most shops do it free if you buy the board from them.
This is what i came up with for a $1.5k budget, should be pretty good up to about 4k video editing assuming you are using assets that can be cuda accelerated. While i did mention intel before, the good CPUs from them start at about $570+ and need additional stuff like a CPU Cooler so it would be an extra $300 min and only just be better. 8k video editing would require a GPU with 8GB+ VRAM.
This site is a great read for adobe and other production workloads.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/First-Look-at-AMD…
@h4zey: i can, The only thing i changed was the CPU and related components to make it work. I opted for a CPU that performs around the same as the ryzen build I had earlier. You would have to decide what to cut to get it within budget.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZhrJjy
Here are the things possible to cut to get within budget:
Dropping to a 9600k CPU: Considerable loss of performance as losing 2 cores - saves $220
Dropping to 16GB RAM, still quite good for adobe but may be limiting depending on what you are doing: - Saves $110
Dropping to a 1660, 1060 6GB or 1650, Considerable loss of cuda cores, may take longer to do cuda accelerated tasks - Saves $70, $130, $190
anyone have any other recommendations for budget matx cases? was looking at the thermaltake h17/18 but no dust filters has put me off.
Fair enough but this is pre built, not every one can build a PC
Don't forget to add up the delivery costs from the 5 different stores.
*The prices quoted above doesn't actually include delivery costs…
Sure at the same time it doesn't even include the lowest prices though, for example the $198 for the ryzen 5 2600, when you couldve found it recently for $175 delivered. Or just get other prebuilts that have the ryzen + rtx 2080 for cheaper.
Would. U recommend me the prebuild one for mainly gaming below 1k5
… Thanks mate. Study from urs above :)
Better get that 2080 techfast deal.
Dell's usage description 'light gaming' hahaha
My pc is half the specs of this and it's used for hard gaming and my streaming setup haha
the processor is great for productivity, but a bit of an overkill for gaming. I'd pair an i5 - 9400 with a better GPU and 16GB RAM for optimum gaming.
Might want to put 1660 Ti in the title.