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Illegal in NSW, VIC, WA and TAS.
Must be registered as a motor vehicle in SA and NT.
Can be used legally in QLD.
(Thanks potplanty)
Xiaomi M365 Folding Electric Scooter International Version with 2 Spare Tyres $593.96 Delivered @ Gearbite eBay via App
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It's not too bad as you can put it under your seat, in the storage compartment or just stand it up vertically against you. Not a hassle once you're onboard really.
You can get specialised skateboard carrying back packs if you were otherwise concerned.
https://www.nike.com/au/t/sb-rpm-skateboarding-backpack-dPT0…There are carbon fibre boards which are 4.3kg, but they're about $1500 landed.
https://www.arcboardsev.com/product-page/the-121c-arc-ailero…I'd rather start lifting and cop the 3.5 extra kg :P
If you want your magical 3kg battery powered transport you’d be stuck with roller skates and 1km range.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Yet most people are at least 8kg overweight…
I’m really keen on skateboard for the overall look and portability, but what about stopping? I really want either a skateboard or scooter but I’m scared of crowded footpaths and smashing into people. I’m sure I could pick up skateboard with a little practice. What’s your take on the braking differences?
Braking is actually really strong and inspires confidence on the skateboard. Can stop from 30km/hr in about 5 metres - just make sure to have your weight backwards. No issues at lower speeds. Seemed comparable to a lime scooter but you need to distribute your weight better to ensure stability. Hub motors don't brake to a complete stop down hills (with your body weight) but slow enough that you could easily foot brake if you wanted to.
I'd recommend an ownboard or wowgo (not sure about backfire), as they use the hobbywing remote control which is fantastic for giving graded acceleration and braking. You could feather it and literally go 1km/hr if you wanted to. Inspires complete confidence. Meeepo is still using an older gen remote which is very jerky but gives slightly higher acceleration if that's what you want.
Where did you buy your Ownboard from? Their main site or a local seller?
Their main site. Shipped to Australia within a couple of weeks.
I like the way people are always banging on about saving the planet… then they don't let you do anything to reduce your footprint and encourage procreation.
Other people are like… BUT China produces x CO2… I've been to West China and they're all using electric vehicles, whereas here people get in their 2 TON truck to drive 3 blocks to go to the gym, then they get on a treadmill.Btw I've been using an electric scooter for 6 years… I kick push when I see a uniform.
encourage procreation
woah hold on there Thanos :P
Saw several people using at Wollongong yesterday at park and beach side. Looks fine as police just keep walking around.
Hopefully laws will change in NSW after the Manly trial!
you can ride this in Vic if you use the custom firmware and set ECO mode to 10Kmh. https://m365.botox.bz/
Hmmm interesting… I'm considering this.
So if i get pulled up police can i somehow explain i did this and be fine (as in okay to scoot not, not actually receive a fine)?Technically it is still illegal as it is over the 200w limit. Whether the police will go as far as checking this is case by case I'd say.
Highway know this scooter, it’s extremely popular and not hard to spend 5 seconds googling its tech specs
Wrong. The motor must be no more than 200W - the M365 is 250W thus requiring it to be a registered vehicle.
i wonder if it's possible to limit the power output to 200W by changing the firmware
(or whether xiaomi could sell an official "200w max" version
the Segway Ninebot ES2 can switch between 300, 500 and 700w max output modes)i'm wondering how they can confirm its 250w? Are they going to dyno it? Mine is limited to 10kmh in ECO mode and boots into it when turned on (custom firmware) it is seriously slow at this setting.
@Sage222: I do similar. Mine boots to ECO which is set to 25km/h - Non ECO has all restrictions turned off, fastest I have had it up to was 38km/h which felt semi-safe.
Even with the custom firmware, range is still 25km+
Also cruises easy up inclines.
@snaggot: Hi Sage222,
How did you get it to boot into ECO mode and the other settings?
Can you please direct us to instructions?Build your own firmware and flash it. If you have an android phone/tablet - takes 5 mins.
NSW Police certainly don't care about the hundreds of UberEats & Deliveroo bike riders hogging the footpath illegally so why should they target electric scooters?
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/well-…
Some guy got fine $2500 for using one in Sydney.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sydney/comments/aeqa53/25k_of_fines…From personal experience, once i received this scooter (after the Tech.mall shipping fiasco), this model is amazingly fun and has great build quality for the price.
I have ridden lime scooters here in brisbane many times and I decided to buy this on the basis of countless youtube and online reviews (amazon US is good) and serviceability (this is the most popular model of e-scooter and on gearbest/aliexpress/ebay has mountains of custom and OEM replaceable parts).My experience of this model compared to lime has been extremely good, I think this is as good as the lime scooters (allegedly they are Ninebot ES2's, but dont really look like them when you inspect) - it feels very powerful, it is nimble, simple to maintain (with the exception of replacing flat tyres which i've heard is nightmareish) and there are plenty of mods and ways to adjust it.
Many say these are a great option if you were to replace with solid tyres, but in my experience, the pneumatic tyres are tremendously comfortable to ride on and safer than hard tyres which dig into cracks (even performated solids), as some others have reported.
This gets me out and about on weekends more, which I really wanted, and have already enjoyed 40 kms of travelling brisbane parks and bikeways near me I did not even know were so nice. I can also commute with it if i want to, although i have found storing the scooter, even folded, under seating on brisbane trains near impossible.
any questions, fire away, happy to answer. Also there is a 10k member Xiaomi m365 Electric Scooter page on fb which is awesome - a better resource of user knowledge than i've found anywhere else
Oh and, as implied below by Oakok and elsewhere, wear a damn helmet, this thing will kill you if and when you get into prickly situations and are not prepared. Treat it like you would a bike - expect someone will not see you in their car.
I personally wear a helmet and set of gloves every time I ride, I could not reasonable go without these two at minimum - I see it only as a matter of time until I fall, I just hope I see it coming.
This 100%!
Also add on some bike lights to your backpack or helmet if you're riding in the evenings.
What sort of gloves do you wear?
I am looking for half decent ones, but in the interim, so that i can still ride, I wear just gloves like these OR these for a bit more heavy duty scrape resistance - they are cheap from anywhere like bunnings/SCA
@GenghisGun: Just use some cycling gloves? A lot more conformable and breathable.
If you want fall protection, you can get all in one wrist guards/hand protection as part of the usual skate protective kits.
Best way to lock this up? Or do we have to lug this around when we get to where we want to go.
I use this: Repco Resettable Combination lock
I loop it around the rear right grey (grey on the black/grey model) axle holder bit with the red stripe - this is the only part of the scooter i found that the lock could fit around.
EDIT: I wanted this because I didnt want to have to use a key, or to have to give the key to someone if I locked it up somewhere and would let them unlock it.
Thanks. And what parts/mods have you bought or recommend?
@aznbob: Parts: only a GUB phone holder from ebay, aluminium and around $14 i think. oh also Slime Tyre Sealant from big W around $15
Looking at some upgraded pneumatic tyres, i've heard the CST upgraded rubber tyres are awesome, but I am in early days researching that. I wont be going solids unless it is just unworkeable to go with air tyres, i like them.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm thinking about getting one to commute from Greenslopes to West End. There are a couple of decent hills from my place. How have you found the hills on it? My other concern is the size of the thing. I'm 192cm (6'4"), 92kg and wear a size 13 shoe. Can you adjust up the handlebars? Is the deck long enough for my giant feet?
I'd recommend a more powerful model at 92kg. I'm 65kg and have travelled fine but this motor will likely sturggle under heavier loads.
I'm around the same weight as you, what's your experience been going up hills?
The handle bar height is fixed unfortunately.
I wear size 12's and can "comfortably" fit both feet on the deck without issues, but if i was being really picky, i'd ask for another 3-5 cm for shuffling room.
I am low 80's and this model is more than capable at that weight. On hills this really moves when you give it a kick or 3, but under normal throttle unassisted it slows right down. You can check the slope grades of those few roads on your commute on Google Earth like i did - the scooter recommends max grade of 14%, which I personally can achieve fine, but it goes slow.
Under heavier weight, i would say you could expect some kicking to be required. My advice tho, after a few weeks of using it, is that if you can withstand needing to kick a bit here and there (its fun to kick off and get it up to speed really fast, which this model does WELL), it is a small price to pay for the amazing mobility you get on the low grade mostly flat terrain.
Anecdotally, I have heard MANY people on the FB group mentioned above say that they use this scooter mostly without issues at rider weight of 100-120 kg.
Happy to refine my answer if that didnt help enough :)
In located in a boardering suburb to Greenslopes, you can take mine for a spin in you want.
Your review was insightful and enjoyable to read.
(Even though I'm in Victoria and my nanny says no to anything fun.)
Thanks.
Thanks and no worries! :) Just wanted to be the knowledge I could not find a while ago when I was shopping/reviewing hard for a scooter.
Hey!! Sorry for fishing you out from an old post, but I have a question and would really appreciate your help. I have bought the m365 myself and really like it.
Now the next step for me is to install slime in it, buy I am struggling to find a reliable instruction video online to do it on m365. I found this youtube video: https://youtu.be/KbRIAo0MoMU but it looks like the guy had issues putting slime on his front tyre and didn't properly explain how he fixed it.
Do you have experience doing this and know of any online reliable instruction source that I can follow? I am just scared to not screw up my tyres while I try it myself somehow. Thanks! Pm me if that's easier!
You're overthinking it. Just follow the directions on the bottle. It's not hard.
Just read this in the SMH:
Paramedics are warning people to be safe when using electric scooters in Brisbane, with riders treated for grazes, dislocations, fractures and head injuries.
Queensland Ambulance Service bicycle response team paramedic Madeline Shield said crews had increasingly been called to scooter incidents.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/queensland/fractures-and-hea…Yeh but this is not statistically saying much. People and cyclists have incidents too. Just by nature of humans existing, they will have incidents…and by it being new. If people start riding scooters, and more and more people do, the rates of incidents should of course be 'increasing'.
Friend on mine is in NSW highway, allegedly they are making a feast out of people riding them, especially in city areas. Devastating as I want one so bad.
Ive only ridden my scooter in non cdb areas and have been fine to date. Never ride these under power when near people to reduce chance of fine
Not riding under power when near people is a sensible option, but rather than to reduce the chance of a fine, shouldn't it be to reduce the chance of an incident?
I meant both , sorry am typing this at work!
the whole point of this scooter is to ride in urban areas. can't imagine using this scooter on rural roads doing 25k/h….
Those laws are already antiquated. Do you think the police were going around fining Uber drivers when ride-sharing was illegal?
Do you think the police were going around fining Uber drivers when ride-sharing was illegal?
Yeah, they were. The fine was approx $1600 (in QLD at least) and Uber encouraged drivers to continue driving and they'd fork out the fine if police caught them.
It wasn't police most of the time, it was usually the QLD Department of Transport in special transport compliance vehicles.
it's a tad harder to identify uber drivers in normal looking cars than a scooter…
Are you to young to remember? They certainly were fining illegal rider sharing drivers; they were even setting up stings in locations, or even just ordering them - then fining them when they turned up. Uber, at the time, promised to reimburse drivers for any fines related to the offense.
Got one. Thanks op.
According to an importer of these scooters who commented on OzBargain 15%-20% are returned with issues under warranty within the first year. Wonder how many issues also occur after that?
Be prepared for problems with your scooter.
Got my fingers crossed
Not while riding I hope.
Here's the link to the comment if you're interested:
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/431768#comment-6838574
I have to be picky and say your comment is untrue. The OP of that comment said that they would EXPECT 15-20% and asked for actual figures from the public, not that this is an ACTUAL figure. I am not disputing the likelihood of those figures, but it is essentially his opinion.
I disagree. If you look at the context of the comment within the paragraph it is understood the importer already has significant experience with the scooters.
I respectfully assert that that interpretation is categorically incorrect. But if it's enough for you to make a decision, then power to you my friend.
@GenghisGun: You are welcome to assert your opinion but it doesn't change the facts.
A couple of minutes research online shows that the importer has been selling the scooter in Australia for approximately a year.
Pulled the trigger
Me too. Hope you have a joyful ride on it.
If you are looking for a more powerfull n comfier alternative try the etwow booster model. I've ridden both n bought the later!
What did that cost you?
I bought it second hand in Singapore for $400ish but IIRC it's only $700ish new online. Very good quality but the battery is now starting to show its age (and I left it uncharged for.months… this was a mistake)
Zoom stryder ex very similar model. $1150 in QLD. 600W + 35km range. Solid tyres with good suspension front and back.
@[Deactivated]: Why would you do this to me. I've been seemingly content waiting for a bargain M365 and then you drop this bombshell. Brisbane is hilly AF and this is absolutely the solution.
@Hinee: I cancelled my order during the last M365 deal to buy the zoom stryder ex. 800km later and lots of hilly terrain between Paddington and city, no punctured tyres / broken stick / lose battery connection etc.
I decided against M365 because of hills and possibility of a puncture when I'm commuting.
@[Deactivated]: I've done a fair bit of research into this today and actually feel I'm more comfortable with the Ninebot ES4. The more powerful motor on the Stryder is enticing (I'm in Toowong so know all about hills) but the extra battery pack almost remedies the achilles heal of these things which is range. I also love that these guys offer Zip financing so I can pay over a few months. Decisions……..
@Hinee: Pretty good price $1k with battery looks like a good deal. The lights look boss for night time riding.
I've done 175KM already on my M365 - in just 3 weeks!
Yesterday I went for a ride from Mainbeach on the Gold Coast to Burleigh Heads.
This is a 30KM round trip which should have flattered the battery yet 23% charge remained. I did walk with it a bit and went down a couple of small hills (which will charge the battery) but can't fathom why so much charge remained.. I also had it on Eco for a some of the way too… and didn't go flat-out.
Based on this, I'll go a bit further next time and try for Currumbin (hopefully won't get eaten).
yea the brake energy recycling thing works pretty well.
Got flat tyres yet? I've done 800km+ on a zoom stryder, no problem so far.
Sorry if I missed a comment to but this legal in Melbourne?
Also is this safe for around the beach and I mean does do well with sand? (I don't know if this actually an issue anywhere)
Illegal in NSW, VIC, WA and TAS.
not sure how you missed that but its not legal in melbourne and no i dont believe its great on sand. I want one too and I live in melbourne too.
I wasn't stationary and almost made an impulsive buy on an item Im not allowed to ride ;p
Lol!!! Don't inspire me please
I think you're asking if sand gets in and damages them - rather than just whether they can be used on sand (they can't). I haven't owned one, but I suspect they would be similar to bicycles in that sand will get into bits and cause premature wear. I would try to keep them away from sand, and probably wipe around moving parts every now and then to prevent build up of grit.
I'm unsure as to where it says you need to register as a motor vehicle for SA, because as far as I know, it's still illegal. Regardless, this is a bargain at this price point
Non of these e-scooter can be register because they are not ADR approved, which is too costly / not economically viable to do for a $1000 e-scooter.
Ordered, thanks for posting. I also bought a Xiaomi Helmet as well off eBay. Hopefully, would work out well. Fingers crossed.
By the time these are legal, I'd probably have a flying car. Hurry up VIC and make these legal! I MAY purchase one anyway and take the risk. Wait until the price goes down a little.
I saw someone walking one of these through Flagstaff station in front of police the other day with no problems. Also talked to a person recently with an electric bike (obviously not the same as this item), with no helmet, wasn't registered, and said he rides through the CBD footpaths in front of police all the time! I know it's a small survey but I don't think the police in Melbourne take much notice, and must be focused on other things. I just want to buy this to get from my house to my local train station, and maybe some other places.
$400 delivered on Tmall - i just ordered - will update when arrives
can you please share the link?
search 滑板车小米 there are a few. be sure to read the comments or "cumulative evaluation"
The cheapest I can see is 1999 yuan but being not able to read Mando, I'm stuck.
Is it free shipping? Because 1999 works out to be 415ish
Just bought two! Can't wait!
Anyone know about different m365 generations or versions? Was browsing a xiaomi m365 group page and someone mentioned different generations and all I gathered was the logo on the base is a distinguishing feature. Can't find any other information on it though so a bit unsure if it's true but I did notice that some people's m365 had the mi logo and others has mijia logo.
whether it has one or two fuses is apparently a giveaway, and the serial number being within certain ranges. basically, anything made recently will have 2 fuses and is therefore better
Bondi in Sydney to start trials later this year too!
I was reading reviews about this scooter and found this.
Not mine but for those willing to try (Use at your own risk)
Xiaomi M365 HOW TO increase TOP SPEED (31kms) and ACCELERATION and BETTER COASTING.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqsqTERDwSU
M365 Firmware files http://bit.ly/2HFuupC
M365 DownG app http://bit.ly/2rdCOSB
If you live in NSW, I implore you to write to to the government regarding this. To make the change, we have to speak up.
https://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/contactus/If you are lazy, feel free to copy my email below:
Dear Sir or Madam
I write to you to ask that the law regarding Powered foot scooters and skateboards be reviewed, legalising the use of them publicly.
Almost every other country allows eScooters. It is an amazing technology that improves quality of life and convenience to people. Failing to legalise them hinders Australia's innovation in the technology space.
Given the congestion issues in Sydney, and the ever increasing traffic and public transport challenges, eScooters and should be encouraged, not outlawed. This city is hard enough to get around as it is, can't we make it a little easier for everybody?
Sure, there is an element of risk involved with allowing this change, but this can be managed with the correct laws. Please don't take the easy way out by just flatly banning powered scooters. If Queensland has made the change, why can't we?
Thank you for your time
Thanks! I just sent one.
I sent one in for VIC to!
Any idea how good they are with sending these out?
Seems like from the other posts about them in OzBargain that they're reliable and are good.
8kg is still damn heavy to be carrying around on public transport or anywhere. That's like 4 x 2litre jugs of milk. Wake me when they get down to ~3kg.