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Seagate Ironwolf NAS Drives 4TB $152, 8TB $297.60, 10TB $412.80 Delivered @ Futu Online eBay
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Can I just plug this into a docking station and then I'm good to go, or do I have to format it in a way to prepare for future NAS use?
Your NAS should format it for you otherwise do it yourself through windows.
@EightImmortals: Use gparted live to format
Its a usb bootable Linux distro & freeEg 8tb, windows would take hours to complete.. Gparted 5min
@BanannaMan: Just got an 8tb hdd last week, quick format took a couple seconds in windows.
The time it would take to get a bootable usb with gparted set up is for no benefit for 99% of units
@BanannaMan: Meant to say "users" not "units".
Most users wont be changing formats. For the few that are, yes there may be some value in gparted.
I've had 2x WD Red and 1x WD Purple fail on me within 2 years, switching to Ironwolf…
My Unraid is full of Seagate now. I've got a shucked DM drive I'm not super confident in, need to check the cable before call it. Couple of old smaller DM drive with more than 4 years power-on time. Gradually replacing everything with VN drives. Gets a bit expensive, sometimes I think I should just go on a deleting spree and downscale the drive pool when one fails. I mean how many times does the wife really need to watch McLeod's Daughters.
You are actually undertaking a critical community service and possibly a service for all of mankind in preserving a record of culture and history for future generations if some catastrophic event occurs.
At least it's not hallmark movies like mine is full of for the better half! They pump out a new one every week.
40tb is JAV is full
2x drives for parity?
What sort of setup do you have?
I got 4x 2tb mix models and brands. Only have 1 parity though.Nah I run 1 8 TB parity drive, then 6 other drives - 2 x old 2TB, 3 x 4TB VN NAS drives and a 8TB DM Desktop drive. I don't see a point in running 2x parity drives unless you have a lot of drives, or storing very important data. My important stuff is encrypted and backed up to mega. I have to lose two drives to lose any data, and then its only the data on those drives.
I just ordered a 8TB and a 4TB VN from this deal. The 8 might replace my suspect 8TB drive, and the 4 will replace one of the old 2TB drives.
I think one of my mini SAS to 4x SATA cables might be dodgy. Hopefully that's what caused the errors on the 8TB drive. I have a couple new cables sitting here ready to go in. Got a couple of SSDs sitting here to upgrade the cache too.
either or. i like to avoid getting drives from the same batch and even prefer multiple brands in my nas. spread out that failure rate
Current prices for WD red (I bought a red 8tb from futu on the previous 20% sale last week):
4TB $159.20, 8TB $318.40, 10TB $431.20
Ironwolfs are faster, louder, and come with free data recovery.
In my experience WD has been excellent in the past with RMAs, theyll send someone from fedex to collect it. Since the sandisk acquisition this may be worse now (sandisk has never paid for my shipping).
Care to elaborate on the free data recovery? Thanks
My mistake, thats the IronWolf Pro
The current Backblaze long term failure rate data is showing the high capacity Seagates as being extremely reliable. I own 8 of the Ironwolf 8TBs myself and I have been very happy with them.
They have limited data on the WD drives, but they do have around 600,000 WD Red 6TB drives and they are showing poor reliability comparatively.
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/2018-hard-drive-failire-rates…
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Q3…
Thanks, getting the 10TB one, replacing a 5TB. 38TB in my Plex server now!
edit: actually, getting a 12TB instead.
Glad you're goin for 12 instead but these prices are close to $100 more than I saw about 3 months ago on another 20% off special. I'd wait if i was you! Should be some better pricing coming soon around black friday.
d'oh :)
Well will get another one on Black Friday! Cheers
That's the spirit!
what was the $/tb you saw?
I almost feel like downvoting this deal cos its so far off the mark. Previously 12TB was about $460 (now $550), 10TB was mid $300s. I don't really look at anything lower, especially with the 14tb out now. Previous deal wasn't through Futu though. Think it was either Shallothead or maybe Computer Alliance?
@furythree: Like I said I'm only talking about the big drives, which previously were so much cheaper on the 20% off deal. OP should have just put 4TB for the deal then. Im guessing by black friday it will be so much cheaper for everything
I've been considering a couple of the LaCie Porsche Design 8TB USB drives at $243… ($30 cheaper than the WD Elements 8tb)
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LaCie-Porsche-Design-8TB-USB-3-0…Does anyone know if they have the Seagate Archive or Compute drives in them?, I've read claims of both…
I haven't schucked mine but I did sustain 7.5Tb of content at 110MB/sec to my LaCie drive (same as you're linking), my understanding is this would indicate it was not an archive drive but YMMV
Edit: To clarify, this was over a LAN so 110MB/sec is 100% of my gigabit Ethernet
They're literally whatever drives are going in Seagate externals at the moment, since LaCie is Seagate these days.
Mine from a few months ago has a Barracuda Compute in it.
How many years warranty do they have? How does the warranty work on ebay orders?
You'd contact the seller on eBay I'd imagine.
As per Seagate's website, you get a three year warranty.
is the fact that they use helium and that the helium will eventually escape because science, still possibly going to be an issue? or are seagate banking on us not caring about long term failures and just buying new drives?
It's the only way they have to make the higher capacity drives. WD do the same thing.
seagate banking on us not caring about long term failures and just buying new drives?
warranty period reflects nexus between quality and price. Don’t like 3 years? Pay more for Pro and get 5.
Pretty sure they worked out how to seal helium now.
Exactly - they've been sealing helium in balloons for year now!
just read somewhere (maybe on here) that it's scientifically impossible to actually seal helium completely because of its atomic structure. NOTHING can fully seal it. can't remember but someone made a compelling argument.
this is why i ask.
I think it's a technical feat but they've worked out how to seal it now after a long time of it being thought to be impossible or something.
I've read some links that say they target a life time (wrt leaks) of about 20 years.
Obviously if your drive lasts 20 years you can just transfer the data to your slow freebie keychain 100TB USB7.3 stick and put it on whatever drive you can afford to buy when it dies.
It's more sad that we're using helium for hard drives and balloons. It's quite uncommon on earth, and the medical industry could use it more than us.
I'm part of the problem, buying helium drives, I know.
If anyone needs an 8TB for just file storage and serving Plex/Kodi, I recommend getting a Seagate 8TB Expansion on Newegg and shucking it. Quite cheap around $230 AUD delivered. Seagate Barracuda drive inside.
https://www.newegg.com/global/au/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178951&cm_re=8tb--22-178-951--Product
Thanks, needed a couple of disks.
theyre not ironwolfs tho
Not suitable for NAS I'm assuming.
suitable in the sense they will work
but nas drives are rated to run 24/7 in a nas environment which barracudas are not
You used to be able to purchase these from American Amazon with cheap shipping. They are inferior to the Iron Wolfs, particularly the Helium filled ones (10 TB & 12TB), but are fine for JBOD storage drives. Use the Helium Filled hard drives in side your desktop tower (cooler and less power usage).
Seagate Ironwolf or Hitachi Deskstar?
Depends, do you prefer loud or louder?
which one quieter?
Idle Load HGST Deskstar NAS 4TB 36.2dB(A) 37.9dB(A) Seagate IronWolf 4TB 30.3dB(A) 37.9dB(A) @O O: thanks mate. load is about the same. i heard HGST is the most reliable though? Truth or myth?
P.S. i said 4GB lolz should be 4TB !
Fast or faster?
Tempted to purchase.
Not very good reviews on Newegg with lots of failures: https://www.newegg.com/global/au/Product/Product.aspx?review…
If you go by the reviews most HDD's have about a 20% failure rate, lol, I guess unhappy people are much more likely to leave reviews than happy people…
Careful…critical thought doesn't tend to be too popular on OzB.
LOL… the negs to your sarcastic comment completely justify your comment!
Correct.
The Backblaze figures are the ones to pay attention to. Just arbitrary anecdotal: "Oh, I bought seven WD/Seagate/Hitachis and they all died within twelve seconds of me putting them in my flux capacitor" stories are pretty much worthless.
The real failure rate for modern (large) consumer HDs is generally around 1%. And that's running them 24/7.
Actually looking at the Ironwolf NAS Pro 12tb right now. With discount it is AU$628. Would have liked to get the 14tb but too new. The non pro 12TB is about AU$80 less.
Just trying to work out how much lower the price will drop in the next few months.Original prove for that 12tb is bad considering 14tb is like $14 more rrp.
Not sure what you mean. I see the 14tb ones on FUTU sire as being about AU$200 more.
RRP…. Futu is jacking them. 14tb is $799rrp. Hence my knocking of them.
@scuderiarmani: Ahhh, I see. Yeah, the cheapest I can get the 14tb NAS PRO drive is about AU$28 more expensive than FUTU (after 20% discount) so the price jacking you mention does eat away at the proposed discount but still is cheaper than what I can get elsewhere. In fact if I get it from the USA, I'll have to add in GST plus delivery costs on top of the fact that it is AU$28 more expensive.
At the end of the day, the price is the 12tb and 14tb drives are definitely the cheapest I can get online but is no way as cheap as the full 20% discount would imply.
FWIW put one in the synology nas with my WD reds and the performance is a bit strange…seems much slower on the transfers for some reason
any good tutorials on how to set up a NAS? Or do you just plug and play into the router
Probably not the place to ask… I'm gonna suggest you research a whole lot more. It entirely depends on what your requirements are.
My current nas is also our htpc with 4x5tb toshiba drivers that are pretty noisey.
Would any of these be quiet enough to use in a htpc?
Don't know about the other capacities, but the 8tb is loud. Great speed though.
What's the current consensus on WD vs Seagate with 10tb+ drives? They will be going into a synology 918. Cheers
There's no rush to buy, there's a new 20% Futu code from tomorrow:>> POTPLANT
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/410705cool
WD Red vs Seagate Ironwolf for storage?