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Toshiba 8TB 7.2k 6G 3.5" 512E 128MB Cache SATA Enterprise Hard Drive MG05ACA800E - $265.60 + Shipping @ SystemaxIT eBay

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Lichen6420 on 04/07/2018 - 18:12 ebay.com.au (1959 clicks)
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I think these drives are excellent value for the price.

The hard drives use a SATA 6 Gbps interface, feature a 7200 RPM spindle speed, a 128 MB cache buffer, and Toshiba’s persistent write cache (PWC) with power loss protection (PLP) that stores data that is not yet written to the HDD media. When it comes to performance, Toshiba declares up to 230 MB/s sustained host to media transfer speed as well as 4.17 ms average latency. As for power consumption, the MG05ACA-series hard drives are rated to consume up to 11.4 W during random reads and 6.2 W in active idle mode.

The Toshiba MG05-series HDDs are designed for nearline applications (i.e. somewhere between rapid access and cold storage) that operate for 24/7. The model is rated for 550 TB/year annual workload (read and write) as well as for 2 million hours MTBF.

These are proper enterprise grade drives for server use. Durable and fast, perfect for home NAS applications.

I believe these are the drives sold in Dell Poweredge servers as Dell part no. 4WXV5 - https://www.etb-tech.com/dell-8tb-sata-7-2k-3-5-6g-512e-hard…

For practical comparison the Seagate Ironwolf (NAS) 8TB drives are rated to 180 TB/year workload vs 550 TB/year for these Toshiba drives. This makes them amazing value when compared with the Ironwolf drives which are about $325 on ebay before discount codes.

The caveat here is these Toshiba drives only come with a 2 year warranty as they are OEM bulk drives.

Free shipping for eBay plus members. I bought 5 drives from this seller and they were sent via DHL express.

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  • MasterScythe on 04/07/2018 - 18:14

    6 of these would make a rad RaidZ2……

    • Lichen6420 on 04/07/2018 - 18:19
      +1

      I have 6 of these currently running as a 48TB RAID 0 array. Be warned they run a little warm.

      I just bought another 6 for my other array to replace the standard Seagate consumer drives i have in there now.

      • MasterScythe on 04/07/2018 - 19:12

        I wonder fi their firmware tool will allow them to run at low power\spin mode.

        Most enterprise drives offer firmware tweaking.

        • asa79 on 04/07/2018 - 19:21

          Not in raid, as the raid will think the drive has died if it looks like its idling. That was the issue with the old WD Green drives in Raid

        • MasterScythe on 05/07/2018 - 09:01
          +1

          @asa79: No it wasn't, the problem with green drives head head-parking causing resume delays.

          You could still pass 'APM Power Level 128' to any drive and have no issue.

          In addition, RaidZ (ZFS) rarely if ever had the same issues Green drives caused with classic, lesser RAIDs.

      • asa79 on 04/07/2018 - 19:20

        raid 0 means one drive dies and corrupts most of your files since they are spread all over every drive

        • Lichen6420 on 04/07/2018 - 19:23
          +5

          Correct 1 drive dies and the array is lost.

          I keep a mirrored copy of all my data. RAID is not a backup even with built in drive redundancy of some RAID levels like RAID 5,6 etc. I use RAID 0 for the fast read/write speeds it offers when spanned over multiple drives.

          I also keep a spare Identical RAID HBA card with matching firmware in case of controller failure and needing to import a foreign array, best to use the same hardware to avoid issues.

          If you care about your data always have a 2nd copy.

        • asa79 on 04/07/2018 - 19:27
          -3

          @jg86tsv: Raid 5 is just as quick, if you want quicker go for Raid 1+0 Its really up to your network to what the usual bottle neck is

        • Lichen6420 on 04/07/2018 - 19:39
          +4

          @asa79:

          RAID 5 is slower than RAID 0 as parity data needs to be calculated and written. My bottleneck is the 6GBPS controller and SAS link.

          No way I’m paying for 12GBPS gear though, it’s damn pricey.

          I just prefer 2 seperate RAID 0 arrays of the same data because it is super simple and I have read to many horror stories of RAID rebuilds failing.

          I now run 3 x Lenovo SA 120’s with 2 seperate controllers.

          I did have 2 x 24 bay Norco RPC 4224 with Intel RES2CV360 36 port SAS expanders but kept having backplane issues with the Norco box’s so gave up on that.

          I will be selling the expanders soon if you want one !

        • asa79 on 04/07/2018 - 19:45
          -5

          @jg86tsv: Not sure where you get RAID 5 being slower, but guess it might be your controllers

        • zealmax on 04/07/2018 - 20:22
          +3

          @asa79: 6 drive RAID0 vs RAID5. Reads are slower on the RAID5 because each stripe has 5 data and 1 parity block. Meaning you are effectively reading from 5 disks and not 6 disks as in RAID0. Writes are slower because for each new write, the whole stripe will need to be read into memory to calculate parity. In RAID0 you don't need to read the whole stripe or calculate parity, so writes are faster.

        • Lichen6420 on 04/07/2018 - 20:26

          @zealmax

          Write speed is where RAID5 suffers vs RAID0, particularly in larger multi disk arrays.

          The difference in write speed is actually significant. RAID5 also requires CPU utilisation to calculate parity bits.

          Striping is by its very nature more simple and faster.

          The difference in read speed is more negligible between the two.

        • zealmax on 04/07/2018 - 21:10
          +1

          @jg86tsv: That is what I said. I was trying to explain to asa79 that RAID0 is faster than RAID5.

        • jason andrade on 05/07/2018 - 10:57

          @jg86tsv:

          If you really care about your data, always have 3 copies and a mechanism to regenerate a third copy as needed.

          If you have 2 copies of data, think about the following scenarios:

          • If you lose one copy of the data, you are now one issue away from losing all your data (i.e losing both copies means 2 things need to happen

          • If you have corruption on one side of your data and not on the other, with 2 copies, which one is the corrupt copy and which one isn't ? If you have 3 copies of your data you can use the 2/3 model to make this decision (automatically).

          Please don't get me wrong, 2 copies is definitely better than 1 copy, I'm just saying for people out there thinking about long term protection and buying gear, start thinking about 3 now.

          The reason I've been thinking about this

          • I work with Petabytes and with people who are already thinking about 100s of Petabytes and even Exabytes
          • I've increasingly been thinking about how the current generation of kids (I have grandkids) live in a digital world and they have more images (thousands!) and video that my generation ever did - but almost none of that is physical. I still have pictures of my own parents and grandparents and even some great grandparents which have all been preserved and passed on (and in many cases, lost..) but it's possible to lose years of this kind of data when you don't protect it and the volume of data to be protected is starting to be hundreds of gigabytes or even terabytes. Images, video, email, instagram, facebook..

          So start thinking about 3 copies..

        • Lichen6420 on 05/07/2018 - 14:01

          @jason andrade:

          You definatly make a good point, i have 168TB of storage (84TB x 2 copies) and could never replace the content if i tried. To duplicate anonther 84TB is a bit of a costly exercise though something i might look into a bit down the track.

          In saying that i have definatley felt that sense of doom the couple of times a drive has failed an i have needed to duplicate my backup. That is always a very uncomfortable 24hrs praying nothin goes wrong in the process.

        • idonotknowwhy on 05/07/2018 - 14:13

          @jg86tsv: > RAID5 also requires CPU utilisation to calculate parity bits.

          I'm pretty sure this is what's bogging down my N40L. When I copy large files to it, the cpu goes to 100%, fan to full speed and it gets hot.

          What's the alternative which can give me 18TB with 4 * 6TB drives with tolerance of 1 drive failure?

        • sickburn on 05/07/2018 - 15:24
          +1

          @idonotknowwhy:

          Whack a P410 controller in there and let it handle the arrays, rather than the puny CPU in the N40L.

        • idonotknowwhy on 05/07/2018 - 15:33

          @kevlarman: That's certainly cheaper than the options when I set this system up, but I'd rather stick with md so I can access my data on any system with 4 sata ports, in the event of a hardware failure.

        • Lichen6420 on 05/07/2018 - 17:49

          @idonotknowwhy:

          No magic solution unfortunately. Pay the extra and run a duplicate set of drives in RAID 0.

        • Geekomatic on 05/07/2018 - 19:20

          @jason andrade:

          This, is why I try to print my best photos out. It sounds "old-fashioned (& maybe it is), but there's something really nice about thumbing through an actual photo album. Even my kids think so. After a whole day looking at a screen (either computer at work, or mobile, or both), it's nice to just sit and look at a plain old book/album. The battery never dies, either.

          ;)

  • Zippy7 on 04/07/2018 - 18:16

    You compare them to Seagate Ironwolf, do you think these are better than WD Red for home NAS usage?

    • Lichen6420 on 04/07/2018 - 18:22
      +1

      WD Red & Seagate Ironwolf 8TB are rated to 180TB / year workload vs 550TB for these Toshiba's.

      WD Red & Seagate Ironwolf 8TB MTBF is 1 million hrs vs 2 million hrs for these Toshiba's.

      WD RED SPECS
      https://www.wdc.com/content/dam/wdc/website/downloadable_ass…

      SEAGATE IRONWOLF SPECS
      https://www.seagate.com/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/ironwolf…

      TOSHIBA ENTERPRISE SPECS
      https://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/content/dam/toshiba-ss/a…

      In theory these are over twice as durable workload and life span wise as the WD RED and SEAGATE IRONWOLF drives.

      • asa79 on 04/07/2018 - 19:24
        +1

        Wd red and seagate have longer warranties

        • garage sale on 05/07/2018 - 08:36

          Also some models are are 5200 rpm so lower noise.

      • Diji1 on 04/07/2018 - 23:50

        WD Red & Seagate Ironwolf 8TB MTBF is 1 million hrs vs 2 million hrs for these Toshiba's.

        I tend not to believe these for what I hope is obvious reasons.

    • p1 ama on 04/07/2018 - 19:39
      +2

      Define "better" - HDDs don't really do much apart from storing data. In terms of reliability, that comes down to luck of the draw more than anything - I've had good quality drives fail and I have some bargain basement drives dug up from some old systems that are still going strong. In terms of speed, Gigabit ethernet will be the bottleneck ultimately for sequential access, not drive speed. For random (small file) workloads, you might eek out a bit more speed from this, but it's not much.

      If you have some really specific workload in mind (apart from just being a place to dump files), then you really need to optimise your setup rather than look for faster drives or hardware. For example, if you're writing a lot of small files, use a write cache or perhaps write locally to an SSD and then sync overnight…etc.

      TLDR - all drives are practically the same for home NAS use, pick the cheapest. Workflow optimisation more important if you want more performance.

      • Lichen6420 on 04/07/2018 - 19:45

        I agree to a large extent. I store very large amounts of video and use an SAS connected DAS setup with RAID so can actually utilise the performance side of things. I also do huge amount of read/write running mirrored copies of my data and server being used by multiple people.

        For your average home NAS user there is no real point, but considering the cheapest 8tb drive you will find new is about $220 I am personally happy to pay the bit extra for these.

        I hope in the long run the enterprise drives have greater reliability and less failures but as you said any hard drive can fail at any time.

  • natcoso9955 on 04/07/2018 - 18:24

    So just to get this right, this is a NAS drive right?
    im looking to build an unraid box which tax money, wondering if i should look at getting 1 or 2 of these now.

    • Lichen6420 on 04/07/2018 - 18:29

      Yes more than suitable for NAS, these are enterprise grade drives.

      • Xizor on 04/07/2018 - 18:42

        It is not a NAS drive but can be used. It is listed as supported drive by Synology for my NAS. They are likely noisier and run warmer otherwise i see no reason not too. I have 2 5TB Toshiba 7200rpm in my NAS and about to add 2 8TB Ironwolfs otherwise i prob would of jumped on these.

  • Lps on 04/07/2018 - 18:38

    Are these any good for surveillance system capture and storage?

    • Lichen6420 on 04/07/2018 - 18:55
      +1

      WD Purple Surveillance Spec sheet below.

      They are rated to 360 TB / year but also have some firmware tweaks that make them more suitable for that use.

      The Toshiba enterprise drives on paper still out spec them by a fair bit, although a 7200rpm drive might not be the best constant recording.

      I don’t know enough about the firmware tweaks the surveillance drives have to give you an informed answer.

      https://www.wdc.com/content/dam/wdc/website/downloadable_ass…

      I use a cameras with motion detection software that only captures video when movement is detected in pre set zones within the recording frame.

      It records 30 secs before during and after movement is detected. It must keep a constant buffer to do this. It’s handy when you want to view a whole days events as you don’t have to search an entire days video. The camera is loaded with a 32gb SD card in my case that is plenty as it’s only recording bits and pieces now and then. Was just an Amcrest 1080p POE model of Amazon.com

  • g12345567 on 04/07/2018 - 18:48

    Toshiba are great drives. I purchased 2 of the 6tb from a previous SyystemaxIT deal back in September 2016 and still working great. Also fast overnight delivery from Melbourne to Sydney. Ordered 2:45pm. Arrived before 10am next day.

  • DSOTM on 04/07/2018 - 18:48

    Hmmm…. These might be grey. Toshiba has 5-year warranty on official drives. These are only 1-year.

  • Lps on 04/07/2018 - 18:51

    "The caveat here is these Toshiba drives only come with a 1 year warranty as they are OEM bulk drives."

    Says 2 years RTB warrany on the ebay description

    • DSOTM on 04/07/2018 - 18:52
      +1

      One year is way too short for mission critical server-use.

        • Lichen6420 on 04/07/2018 - 19:01
          +1

          Ammended description to 2 years

          I assumed these are OEM as they are not covered by the official Toshiba 5 year warranty. Back to base warranty to me suggests the store is going to risk failure rates vs actual returns and provide the warranty themselves.

          All conjecture of course. Mine came with a tax invoice from the business itself with serial numbers recorded so if they honour their 2 year warranty for me it’s a fair trade off for the price.

          In theory they should have extremely low failure rates and in my experience if a drive dies it is generally pretty early on in its life or years down the track. Your experience may vary :)

        • fr05ty on 05/07/2018 - 08:49

          @jg86tsv: I have bought about 8 drives of them over the last 7 months and only one of them has failed, contacted the seller over eBay and arranged a return I had lost the invoice they had a record of it, I use them in an unraid Nas/plex media box.
          I put the serial in to the Toshiba warranty check and said it had expired.
          From memory doing a full preclear the drives reached around 40deg under full load

        • chutibuti on 05/07/2018 - 09:12

          @fr05ty:
          Bit confused, so these drives not supported by fujitsu ??.. if 7months old how come warrenty expired

    • asa79 on 04/07/2018 - 19:25

      might be better to spent a little more for WD or seagate for their warranty

  • bogak on 04/07/2018 - 19:10

    What's the temp like on these?

    • asa79 on 04/07/2018 - 19:24

      Will be ok if you running a/c or have your NAS in good ventation

    • fishball on 04/07/2018 - 20:26
      +3

      Right now in my Synology 916 doing a SHR2 resize/raid rebuild (ie. relatively high activity over 5-6 days) temps are

      WD Red 10TB: 34, 32, 33, 33 degrees
      Toshiba 8TB (OP's): 33, 36, 36 degrees
      WD Red 8TB: 34, 35 Degrees

      Room temp is around 15-18 degrees.

      In summer my WD reds were around 1-2 degrees cooler on average than the Toshiba drives.

      • asa79 on 04/07/2018 - 20:53

        Reds are only 5400 these are 7200

        • howdydood on 04/07/2018 - 21:38
          +2

          Red Pro are 7200 rpm - I have 2 of them

        • asa79 on 04/07/2018 - 21:40
          +1

          @vk2him: But most people only get Red

  • alvian on 04/07/2018 - 19:17
    +1

    Please note although these are Advanced Format Drives (native 4096 bytes per sector), they work in 512 bytes per sector emulated mode. Here is a performance comparison between 4k native & 512 emulated drives from Dell.

  • snoopydoop on 04/07/2018 - 19:33

    For a noob, would this fit into my 2009 Dell XPS 9000/435T SATA slots? Or alternatively, is there an easy/cheap way to put this in an enclosure for USB3.0?

  • Indomietable on 04/07/2018 - 19:36

    This is nice price for the drive if you use the available features. On most home NAS just get the cheapest drive with the longest warranty.

    • snoopydoop on 04/07/2018 - 20:54

      what's the cheapest 8tb drives you know of?

      • AdosHouse on 04/07/2018 - 22:10
        +1

        I was pretty happy with the WD Gold 8TB I got from the States last year. Sustained 200MB/s read and write.

  • windwai on 04/07/2018 - 19:41
    +6

    The seller has more stocks on other listing.
    https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1…

  • DSOTM on 04/07/2018 - 19:48

    I'm a bit confused by the 512e/4Kn thing which I haven't come across before. I want to replace old 2TB drives in my 8-bay Stardom ST-8 RAID, but don't want to risk any incompatibility in my Mac video edit suite. I had five of the Tosh's in my checkout about to hit the button….. but bailed as I need to research it more.

  • Jessie Ryder on 05/07/2018 - 00:11

    Deal is live again, they have relisted.

  • decryption on 05/07/2018 - 11:21

    I have a couple of these in my home server and they've been awesome for almost a year now.

  • MattyAu on 06/07/2018 - 12:29

    Ordered a couple to finally expand my NAS and set it up in RAID 1. Thanks OP.

  • windwai on 06/07/2018 - 14:44

    I just received my hard disk this morning, it is quick!.

    But I am still waiting for the external hard disk case coming next Friday. lol

    • windwai on 06/07/2018 - 18:48

      Just got my hard-disk case this afternoon in Perth as well, delivered by Toll. That is so quick lol.

      Could it because of the eBay Plus membership?

      • Lichen6420 on 06/07/2018 - 19:10
        +1

        Don't think it is because of eBay plus. They just use express shipping, although eBay plus does make the shipping free :)

    • chutibuti on 08/07/2018 - 18:21

      Which case you bought??

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