When people say, "If you don't like this country, get out," what do you think?

[Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 07:29

Hi.

So a discussion turned into something else yesterday at my workplace. Where a colleague come up with his observations on Australia immigration system though he also came here few years ago on a student visa, said govt still inviting skilled workers from overseas in hundreds of professions when there is hardly any shortage. He gave an example by quoting an accounting body's statement that says there is no shortage of accountanta but immigration dept. Thinks australia still need 2000-4000 accountants every year where as locals are loosing interest in this field and pverseas grads are not getting any work. So the other person, replied that it was your choice to come here if you dont like the things you can always move back.

Is it not ok to discuss or share your views about something you think is not right and needs change?

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        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 20:27
          +1

          worth it

    • PJC on 16/11/2017 - 16:25

      Surely that's where they made the Q&Q watches ad on YouTube? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu2OGKaHaNE

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 16:34
        +1

        Overheard at Marketing:

        OK, we've got a pretty good balance between white, asian and black folk. What we need now is some tatts, on a chick. How quickly can you get me one?

        • PJC on 16/11/2017 - 19:10
          +1

          Reply:

          Plenty in the Charity shops! This is Auburn!

    • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 16:38
      +1

      I think you misread that as '…, then leaven'.

    • MessyG on 16/11/2017 - 18:40

      Miss Auburn. Did Jasmine 1 get rebuilt in the end? Their food was great.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 18:47

        Hey, that's where i went!
        No idea about rebuilds or if there's more than one i'm afraid - i just do as i'm told.

        The Afghan bread was from a nearby bakery - it was late on a Sunday and they were all open doing a roaring trade. Not sure what was going on there…

        • MessyG on 17/11/2017 - 17:33
          +1

          Oh it burnt down a few years ago, I was so sad. Went there for lunch once a week when I was working nearby.

  • mobius on 16/11/2017 - 16:09
    +2

    I didn't understand your post.

    I like people who say you don't like it get out.
    I also like people who say we can make this place better.

  • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 16:35
    +5

    There is also a vast difference between people who offer sincere criticisms because they want to see things be better for everyone and the dipshits who just shit on Australia and go on and on about how their homeland is so awesome. Often homelands they've literally never visited. I grew up with those types of idiots.

    It's like, dude, your family fled because they were being massacred or had no opportunities or were displaced. It wasn't a paradise. I think those people should have to experience the conditions their parents/grandparents fled instead of romanticising their homeland.

    Those idiots can (profanity) right off. I'll trade them for a desperate asylum seeker/refugee in a second.

    • bloobat on 16/11/2017 - 16:44

      Haha I think your referring to Labanese as theyre the only people I've heard going on about how much they love their homeland (many havent even been there)

      • Mrbean007 on 16/11/2017 - 16:57
        +1

        Im sure theres more then just Lebanese :)

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 17:02
        +2

        Some of the worst, certainly, but not exclusive to them.

      • smuggler on 16/11/2017 - 20:06

        Sorry, but Koreans are the worst.

  • bloobat on 16/11/2017 - 16:42
    +5

    I'm from the EU but have been living here the past few years to study. The thing I find shocking is the amount of people who just make no effort to speak English. I work in retail and get alot of Asian people in particular getting annoyed at me because I don't speak Chinese…

    Similary I once went for dinner in eastwood and the waiter in the restaurant didn't even speak English. How the hell can you be allowed to work in the country or settle here if you don't even speak the native language.

    You move to a country, you should expect to live by their customs and traditions.

    • tranter on 16/11/2017 - 17:20

      This thread has predictably gone a bit off topic.

      But yeah parts of the UK are like that too.

      I would not be too proud to pass on some Aussie 'traditions' to new folk.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 17:29

        I think you have control anxiety issues. Where did you predict it?

        • tranter on 16/11/2017 - 17:31
          +1

          Why are you obsessed with me? Another question?

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 17:31

          @tranter:
          Reverse phrenology.

    • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 17:24
      +2

      Well, if you're from the EU, you're probably familiar with the concept of "Cultural enlightenment"……..

      • GetOffMyUnicorn on 16/11/2017 - 17:49
        +2

        The Kalergi plan is being implemented in Europe.

    • GetOffMyUnicorn on 16/11/2017 - 17:25
      +10

      My sentiments exactly. Some people just don't make any effort to assimilate and when the citizens complain they get called racist by the liberal 'save the world' mob. I think tougher immigration laws would benefit Australia immensely.

    • Harold Halfprice on 17/11/2017 - 12:31
      +7

      I live near Box Hill, which is obviously an area with many Chinese. The amount of restaurants there that make absolutely no effort to speak or cater to English speaking people is ridiculous. I don't understand how anyone can be okay with that.

      I went to an internet cafe not too long ago there with some friends, was given a look as if we were lost when we walked in, obviously due to our non-asian appearance. Then when we logged on to the computers, all the menus were in chinese. Tried to ask the guy at the counter if he could change it to English and he couldn't even understand what we were saying.

      There's a difference between being racist, and calling out people who refuse to assimilate within society.

  • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 18:11
    +3

    Why is everyone making a bigoted comment about being racist? Which race are we talking about? Many of the people who are born here and have this argument are not even white!
    No matter of their race which people mostly accuse, white people are not the majority in Australia, Why would someone stay here (if a citizen) or come here (if an immigrant) when they hate this great country at the first place? Australia is built the way Australians loved it, because it's their country and of all races they are.
    That is the real question!

  • MessyG on 16/11/2017 - 18:38
    +1

    I think it's one of those knee jerk statements that must feel very satisfying to the person giving it in the moment, but is quite unhelpful.

    If the immigrant is making an observation about a government policy that's not working, and it sounds like it's not, then it's just an observation about a government policy that isn't working. They've come here under the invitation for work and discovered that the shortage has been misconstrued. I think that's fair enough. It wouldn't occur to me to say 'go back to where you came from' then. I'd probably suggest they look into the areas of Australia that is experiencing a shortage of accountants and consider moving there. Yes it is likely to be regional or rural but that's where the need is. I do think the government needs to highlight this in these visas, ie, show them a map of where they'd need to work to get the jobs.

    Bringing their immigration status into it by telling them to 'go back to where they came from' just says a lot about the person saying it and does absolutely nothing else. Pointless statement, that I associate with drunken yobs smashing up ethnic shops. If people want to be associated with that ilk, that's on them.

    • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 20:09

      Post says:

      "If you don't like this country, get out,"

      You read it to say:

      'go back to where they came from'

      I wonder what that says about you.

      • MessyG on 16/11/2017 - 20:33
        +3

        It says I see this shit a lot and when someone says to an immigrant "if you don't like this country then get out", that "go back to where you came from" is exactly what they mean. You can split hairs over semantics if you want.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 21:18
          -1

          That's not semantic difference, it's melodramatic exaggeration and subterfuge, mixed with an amateur attempt at mental association with something worse. You also clearly don't understand the word 'ilk'.

        • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 10:05
          -2

          The first can be, and often is, said to anyone; the second can only be said to immigrants/foreigners.

          NOW do you see the difference?

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 21:00
        +1

        That's because the first statement implies the second.
        I know that as i can read English.

        You need a good thumbdrive.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 21:23
        +2

        Get out and go where?

        Migration isn't packing up and moving to a country at random, and moving along if it doesn't suit. It often involves years, decades, if not a lifetime of preparation and resources.

        One cannot just move to another country, let alone get out.

        That leaves only Miss G's inference - go back where you came from.

  • belongsinforums on 16/11/2017 - 19:01
    +2

    Simple answer: both extremes are wrong and right. Yes there are issues. No, people shouldn't whinge all the time. Say what you want and let others speak too.

    • ss207k on 17/11/2017 - 15:47

      Exactly!

  • smuggler on 16/11/2017 - 20:01
    +4

    My city of Sydney is full. Too many god damn cars and people.

    You might be a nice person with good skills, but Sydney is closed in my mind. God I loved the days when I could walk around in the city or my local suburb without seeing 100,000 Chinese people. I have nothing against the Chinese race, my best mates are Chinese, but man I just don't like what my area has turned into.

    I'm a brown person with CHinese friends who also feel the same. We don't like having to compete with the kids of rich politicians and businessmen/women to buy a bloody house near our parent's homes. I would feel exactly the same way if it were any other race.

    • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 20:10
      +5

      Haha, this so unashamedly refers to race, I love it.

      And I don't even disagree - despite being an immigrant, I came here because I liked the Australian way of life, Australian cities, and the Australian culture, all more than I liked my home. Last thing I'd want is for Australia to turn into my home country.

      • smuggler on 16/11/2017 - 20:34
        +3

        Last thing I'd want is for Australia to turn into my home country.

        Hell yeah!

        I just want some diversity. Splintering of communities is not what Australia is about.

        To Chinese people,
        Don't mind you lads visiting. Just don't like when you buy up entire suburbs, push house/rents up so high so us locals can't afford it.

        FYI-I live in a majority Chinese suburb.

        • tranter on 16/11/2017 - 21:40

          Have a look at the real reasons there is upwards pressure on property prices:

          http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-06/impact-of-chinese-b…

          One of several points made in the article:

          The CBM study also found there was no correlation between the number of Mandarin speakers and the annual rise in property prices (across 79 neighbourhoods with the highest proportion of Mandarin speakers).

          Another point not mentioned is with the predicted withdrawal of Chinese developers from Melbourne and Sydney and the associated drop in supply, prices are expected to increase.

    • PictureMeBroken on 16/11/2017 - 21:08
      -1

      Sydney is full? Having the size of Australia in mind? Full? Absolutely not.

      • MessyG on 17/11/2017 - 17:35

        Sounds like it's only full if you're not white.

      • smuggler on 18/11/2017 - 11:11

        Having the size of Australia in mind?

        Don't care about the rest of Australia. Sydney is what I said.

        • PictureMeBroken on 18/11/2017 - 11:32

          Sydney is part of Australia, in case you have forgotten.

        • smuggler on 18/11/2017 - 11:40

          @PictureMeBroken:

          How do you want me to respond to that?

          I just said Sydney is full.

        • PictureMeBroken on 18/11/2017 - 11:43

          @smuggler: Mate, Sydney is part of Australia, and it has a massive potential to grow even bigger, especially if you consider the size of Australia, simply speaking from the actual size. Going further, we can talk more about urban development and city planning, but for now that should be clear enough.

    • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2017 - 08:05

      "my best mates are Chinese"

      Reminds me of Eddie Perfect's Dwayne's Song (Some of my best friends are aboriginal)

    • grumpymao on 17/11/2017 - 16:56

      Well if you don't like you city/suburb you can always get out.

  • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 20:19

    Are there any senior ozbargain members out there than can answer me this; are these modern discussions? Were these things talked about the way they are now 20 years ago? I was listening to Jon Faine ABC Melbourne today and people were calling in abusing immigrants because their communities largely voted no in the SSM survey. When did these issues become topics that generate such hate and nastiness? Personally I have slowly developed a resentment for these passionate advocates that claim love always wins etc yet make statements on national radio such as "don't like it leave" to men and women from Christian and Muslim nations exercising their opinions like anyone else..

    • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 21:13

      "don't like it leave"

      This is just another opinion, like these, that you defend:

      exercising their opinions like anyone else

      Because, they're not, you know, physically bundling people up and shipping them overseas.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 21:24
        +1

        Yeah I know it's an opinion, but it reflects on a backward, arrogant and domineering people that Lots of immigrants see Australians as (as per the callers on Jon Faines show today).After this SSM saga, for the first time I can kind of see their standpoint. We stink of double standards…. love always wins, equality etc.. And then on the other hand "don't like it leave" or "immigrants that want a progressive society that vote no should be kicked out"..

  • frostman on 16/11/2017 - 20:24
    +5

    The problem with this country is its weak laws against outside influence.
    Chinese influence is running rife here, they have ears and voices in the Parliament, Universities, Schools, Building & Planning and Land Acquisition.
    Every large scale Sale of land, farms (such as Kidman & Co.) is being taken up,

    When it was known that Australia was standing by the US on the subject of the contested South China Seas, protests were staged by the Chinese IN Australia to not meddle with the Chinese affairs offshore, LOL.
    Can you imagine if a group of Australians staged a protest like that in China against a decision taken by their government against the interests of Australia? Straight to an underground jail.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-12/chinese-spies-very-act…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-25/government-very-consci…

    Our ministers are easily bought out by some expensive Champaign + free tour of the Great Wall of China with fresh Pork Dim Sims.

    The last I've heard was that NZ is an even softer target….

    • smuggler on 16/11/2017 - 20:39

      When it was known that Australia was standing by the US on the subject of the contested South China Seas, protests were staged by the Chinese IN Australia to not meddle with the Chinese affairs offshore, LOL.

      Bloody politicians. Bunch of beggers bought for a cheap price.

      You should look up the CHinese people's nickname for Australians.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 21:34
        +1

        It is not only the Chinese that have nicknames for Australians. Other ethnicities, Western ones included, are well aware of our political and cultural fire sale.

  • sintro on 16/11/2017 - 23:26

    That's when you reply.

    "No, You MOVE."

  • Lucky13 on 17/11/2017 - 01:04
    +3

    It's just a statement someone would make if they didn't want to think about the situation and give a valid answer. Slightly hostile IMO too, but falls into the bucket of responses like "whatever" or "(profanity) you". The person just didnt want to think about the situation. Also it's a bit of an old school saying as I remember hearing that thrown at minorities when I was younger too. It's not a very nice comment, but ignoring and filtering it out is probably the best tactic or coming back with a witty remark might embarrass them and make you look super awesome, not sure.

  • FrenchFrie on 17/11/2017 - 01:24
    +8

    I'm on a 417 visa and I've been told that exact sentence by one of my employer "You can always go back to France" with that bit of hate in the tone. I told her that I thought the new backpacker law that came out at the beginning of the year was dodgy and explained myself why with arguments. Her saying that completely shut down the debate I was trying to have. What to say to that ? Where to go from there ? For the first time in my life I felt like an undesired and unwanted foreigner, someone who had crossed a line and commited the worst kind of crime : criticism against someone else's government.
    Believe it or not, but criticism is good for society and democracy, otherwise we would all be sheeps within dictatures (Hello North Korea)
    I came to Australia because I was curious. I'm doing everything I can in order to stay here and obtain citizenship, because I love this country. Does that mean that I have to embrace everything that comes with it without questioning anything ? I sure hear a lot of Australians complaining about their government, so how long until I'm no longer "the foreigner" ? Will that day ever come ? And should I wait for it before complaining about something I don't agree with ? Or will it make me go back down to "the foreigner" status ? Freedom of speech is a value we should all cherish, and try and understand that if someone is willing to share his/her feelings toward someone/something, they do so because they care, not just for the sake of it or piss someone off. If you don't agree just say so, explain your arguments (or not, up to you), and move on. "Go back to" is counter-productive, says a lot about you but doesn't do any good.

    • Baysew on 17/11/2017 - 09:22
      +1

      "You can always go back to France"

      My tone would have lots on envy.

    • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 09:54

      I told her that I thought the new backpacker law that came out at the beginning of the year was dodgy

      That actually justifies the response a lot more. Australian laws are supposed to help Australians, and you're complaining that a law didn't help foreigners enough?

      • MessyG on 17/11/2017 - 17:36
        +1

        Actually the backpacker law was specifically designed to protect foreign workers from exploitation. Too many cases of passports being taken off them and them being forced to work for free to earn it back.

  • Tasmaniac on 17/11/2017 - 01:32
    +3

    Tassie is a very different place to the mainland. That being said most people that complain about the Australian way of life I've dound are from cultures that lack many of the freedoms that we take for granted. When these people complain I typically find it easier to remind myself that living here is a choice than engage in a discussion about the history of their country. Would I be crude enough to be as absolute as telling people to leave though ?, no.

  • auna on 17/11/2017 - 02:45
    +3

    Assimilate and Integrate. Learn Basic English. Don’t push agendas. When they do this they can complain with much greater affect than before.

  • sweetnipples on 17/11/2017 - 05:01
    +3

    I don't think this is a persons views
    Someone made a logical statement… "If you don't like it here, you can always leave"
    It is an option we all have
    Seriously, what is the big deal.

  • lonix on 17/11/2017 - 06:55
    +3

    I think its fair and justified, for example if you came to my house and started complaining about the colour of my walls, or the food I served, I would kindly tell you to leave.

    I had an Italian guy at work complain to me about having to pay tax, I said to him we all have to pay tax, if you don't like it go home.

    If that makes me a racist bigot, then I guess I'm guilty as charged

    • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 09:55

      I had an Italian guy at work complain to me about having to pay tax, I said to him we all have to pay tax, if you don't like it go home

      Hahaha god the ironic ignorance of that Italian..

      The entire reason countries like Italy and Greece are economically circling the drain is because of their culture of basically paying zero tax.

    • Traveller107 on 17/11/2017 - 12:49
      +1

      This^^
      Very well explained!

  • ozeebee on 17/11/2017 - 07:46
    +3

    As an immigrant who's lived and travelled to many countries. Australia is an amazing place to live. Overall the stuff that Australia provides is better than most countries can only wish to have. The grass is not always greener.

    I used to live in London. Every time a local found out I came from Australia. The usual remark I get is "We wanted to punish our criminals so much, we sent them to a country with beautiful weather, beaches and minimal natural disasters. While we stayed in a rainy dump of a mess, where it's grey 85% of the year".

    Only thing I really disagree with is the way the roads rules are handled here. Drivers are seen as revenue streams. Instead of proper education, we get fed the speed kills non sense. But that's a topic for another day.

    • OzzyOzbourne on 18/11/2017 - 17:43

      Yeah the road rules suck.

      And no, I'm not leaving!

  • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2017 - 07:54
    +1

    It's pretty bloody entitled to think he shouldn't say it simply because you (I assume) don't agree with it. Is raising an eyebrow and making a comment like "well that's your view" too hard? It's okay to show you disapproval of it (and I would even encourage you to), but thinking he shouldn't say it because you don't agree isn't right.

    I don't get this new attitude of "that view's different to mine, or to political correctness, you're not allowed to have a view now!". It's literally the main reason we even see the likes of Trump or Pauline in charge. Their policies (imo) don't change much at all, but they still have power simply because they push the notion that everyone is allowed their opinion, even if it is a shitty one.

    Now, is the work place the right place to discuss these things? Probably not, no. But again, raise an eyebrow or make some kind of comment that shows your disapproval without sounding like an ass.

  • Eeples on 17/11/2017 - 09:48
    +3

    "If you don't like this country, get out," contains the assumption in context that if you don't like Australia's immigration policies for skilled workers then you don't like the country.

    Seems like a nonsense argument to me.

    I would call out the person on it saying something like,'Oh I like this country fine. I chose to live here. I just don't like the existing immigration policy for skilled workers'

    I mean seriously are we going to tell the "No" voters that they should get out too? Good grief.

    • OzzyOzbourne on 17/11/2017 - 14:37

      In fact, if you don't like being tailgated, you can be told to leave too!

  • Gordon84 on 17/11/2017 - 10:01

    It's funny that the majority of people who complain about Australia are usually white Australians. No one tells us to leave haha

    • Munki on 17/11/2017 - 10:17
      +1

      But are they usually complaining about the coloured people? ;)

  • centrelink on 17/11/2017 - 11:01
    +1

    Well my grand pa came to Australia once, hated it and did exactly that. Went back to his own country within a month lol

  • Birchy on 17/11/2017 - 11:36
    +1

    The statement is " If you don't like this country get out" as far as conversations with most my immigrate friends (Sudanese,Afghans,and other war torn and impoverish countries) upon asking them why they left there home nation the most standard reply is they didn't like the country and had to get out. Go figure hey? Why people see this statement as racist is strange as it is not about race but about choice. If you are any where in any place and you don't like the people and surroundings and you complain about then some-one gives you the option of out I say thank you very much and adios to boring work do's, smelly lifts, family reunions,ballet recitals, bombs falling on my house,or the broken dream of my perfect future. It's not O.K. to be racist, it is O.K. to be race sensitive but not every thing is about race this statement is If YOU don't like. The focus is on the individual and if more of us focus on the individual race is no longer an issue.

    • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2017 - 12:27

      It becomes a racial problem when the statement is primarily verbalized by a particular race to another race.

      As I mentioned previously, I don't have a problem with the statement. Some people justly have to say it and some to hear it but make no mistake, it is also a malicious statement commonly used by the uneducated to attack particular racial groups.

      • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2017 - 12:30

        What are the racial pro rata statistics of exchange?

        • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2017 - 12:34
          +2

          7

  • grog on 17/11/2017 - 12:58
    +1

    True story:

    Bloke at work migrated from zimbabwe and he complained that when he got here he could not get any servants for the house he just purchased here.

    A Fair dinkum aussie workmate had to explain to him.

    • Eeples on 25/11/2017 - 19:29

      I'm sure he could get some cooks and cleaners and nannies etc..

  • Mx2 on 17/11/2017 - 13:11

    Hard working migrants help to connect the Ozbargain community with our $1 7/11 coffees, our 50% off Domino's Pizzas and Hungry Jacks discount coupons. If a heap of them leave, this forum will say good bye to a great deal of relevance to many of us :(

  • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2017 - 13:40

    Pretty ignorant.

    1950s Australia is nothing like 2017 Australia. Culturally, We change, we adapt, we develop, we improve.
    That's what being Australian is to me in a nutshell.

    Part of what I love about this country is our continual goal for betterment, over sticking to traditions that we do, because someone with less information available to them thought it was a good idea at the time they came up with it.

  • thechemist on 17/11/2017 - 13:41
    +1

    I prefer "love it or leave", and applies to everyone, everyone has won the lottery (by birth, migration or however you got here) to be in this great country

  • 4foxache on 17/11/2017 - 13:45
    +2

    Isn't "If you don't like it then get out of the country" just another view?

    Or do you only consider a view acceptable if it's within the realms of what you want to hear?

    Sounds pretty hypocritical to me

    • OzzyOzbourne on 17/11/2017 - 14:31

      My view is I should have free use of your car, and if you don't like it get out of the country.

      Some views are unreasonable, arrogant and damn right rude. It's not hypocrisy to dislike them.

      • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 16:43

        You can have that view all you want. I won't care unless you actually try to break into my car and drive away in it.

  • biozet on 17/11/2017 - 14:01
    +7

    to be critical of one's own nation is a right and a means for improvement

  • Untameable on 17/11/2017 - 14:11
    +1

    Thinks australia still need 2000-4000 accountants every year where as locals are loosing interest in this field and pverseas grads are not getting any work.

    My partner is an accountant. She graduated years ago and still has trouble getting work. Either the demand is imaginary or it's all at the top with no room for people starting out.

    • MessyG on 17/11/2017 - 17:26

      I was wondering if it's an uneven distribution problem - i.e. there's more work in regional/rural areas than in the cities.

      • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 17:50

        Doubtful. Accountants aren't like doctors, which have this problem - but that's because where there's people, there'll be a need for doctors. Accounting jobs don't follow people as much as they follow business, and by far the great majority of business happens in the cities.

        • Well Wasted on 17/11/2017 - 20:59

          people aren't earning enough anymore… to bother getting some-one… to count their money.

  • hedonistic on 17/11/2017 - 15:13

    If we were all able to leave the only people left in this country would be ignorant idiots, and the economy would collapse almost immediately.

  • kangaroo on 17/11/2017 - 15:25

    Most people who make that type of comments want Australia to stay in its current form. They do not realize that Australia will change (for the good) as new migrants come from all parts of the world.

    • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 17:50

      Australia will change (for the good) as new migrants come from all parts of the world.

      Well that's an entirely subjectively and unknowable assertion.

    • stow5920 on 18/11/2017 - 23:00

      Yeah, a country with only 180k job vacancies a year that accepts 400k new immigrants a year has a good future. We spend $15 Billion on non-citizens in welfare. The future of Australia is Venezuela, or Brazil if you are lucky.

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