When people say, "If you don't like this country, get out," what do you think?

[Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 07:29

Hi.

So a discussion turned into something else yesterday at my workplace. Where a colleague come up with his observations on Australia immigration system though he also came here few years ago on a student visa, said govt still inviting skilled workers from overseas in hundreds of professions when there is hardly any shortage. He gave an example by quoting an accounting body's statement that says there is no shortage of accountanta but immigration dept. Thinks australia still need 2000-4000 accountants every year where as locals are loosing interest in this field and pverseas grads are not getting any work. So the other person, replied that it was your choice to come here if you dont like the things you can always move back.

Is it not ok to discuss or share your views about something you think is not right and needs change?

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Comments

  • fantombloo on 16/11/2017 - 09:14
    +4

    "Love it or leave it?" By that standard 4 million people should have started packing yesterday. (I suspect those same 4 million people more highly represent the "love it or leave it" sentiment than the rest of the population.)

  • bobbified on 16/11/2017 - 09:17
    +18

    …that it was your choice to come here if you dont like the things you can always move back.

    I don't necessarily disagree with the statement.

    I'm of the opinion that if you choose to come here and live, then you should at least try to integrate into society. Feel free to keep your values etc, but also try and understand that it's a new place and things may not necessarily be the same back at home.

    I was born here but my family did come here as refugees many years ago and they've integrated well into society with respect and understanding. They don't expect everything to revolve around them and whinge or complain when it doesn't.

    There's one thing about certain foreigners that I've never been able to understand. There are people who flee their home countries and come here as refugees and then they try and convert this country into the same kind of place they've just run from. I think most people would know who this certain group I'm referring to are and might think I'm being racist, but someone please explain that logic to me… they're the ones I really want to tell to go home!

    Like the saying goes - when in Rome, do what the Romans do!

    • andy19363 on 16/11/2017 - 10:45
      +2

      "I'm of the opinion that if you choose to come here and live, then you should at least try to integrate into society".

      I think Captain Cook said the same thing in 1788…..

      • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 11:01
        +3

        Pretty sure back then it was "There's no society here. Yay free land."

        • TheRealCher on 16/11/2017 - 19:21
          +1

          And that was incorrect. There were many societies. I think perhaps his eyes were blinded by the white cliffs of Dover… Or Bondi…

    • WeeDeePotato on 17/11/2017 - 08:30
      +1

      This is exactly the sentiment I have. It's like, yep, your old country was terrible and dangerous, and it likely that something to do with the culture and traditions (though outside influences do have some sway). Do you really want the same thing to happen again?

  • Donaldhump on 16/11/2017 - 09:21
    +16

    i once had a recently settled refugee at my work (who was a nice guy), complain about the internet speeds in australia.

    • bobbified on 16/11/2017 - 09:23
      +34

      I don't think that anyone can deny that that's a valid complaint! haha

      • Donaldhump on 16/11/2017 - 09:23
        +9

        true, but i think where he came from was being shelled on a daily basis.

        • altomic on 16/11/2017 - 09:25
          +18

          so you're saying there is a correlation between shelling and faster internet speed…..hmmm

        • myusername on 16/11/2017 - 09:29
          +16

          @altomic:
          i've been to 3rd world countries with fast internet speed than us

        • bobbified on 16/11/2017 - 09:30
          +9

          @altomic:

          Their online shopping comes on the back of a tomahawk!

        • Donaldhump on 16/11/2017 - 10:07
          +1

          @myusername: 3rd world <> poor

        • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 12:26

          @bobbified:

          Free tomahawk!

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 13:39

          @bobbified:
          What happens if you ordered a tomahawk? Would it be like ordering ONE envelope?

          What happens when you order one envelope?

        • Donaldhump on 17/11/2017 - 13:54

          @myusername: like sweden?

    • altomic on 16/11/2017 - 09:24
      +33

      complain about the internet speeds in australia.

      so he has integrated into Australian society pretty well

      • myusername on 16/11/2017 - 09:30
        +4

        true aussie!

    • loropy9 on 16/11/2017 - 11:15
      +6

      Complaining about the internet speed is very Australian these days. I'd say he has integrated very well. He is now one of the formerly shelled Ozzies. Almost like an Anzac.

    • ninetyNineCents on 16/11/2017 - 14:06
      -2

      In other words they werent actually a refugee…

    • The tiger on 17/11/2017 - 09:01

      Hi, Unclesnake, perhaps that is a good complain "comment" by him. Only many complains made like this could drew the attention of our authorities and resulting consequential outcome that people want such as improving faster our internet speed system . Keeping mumb and silent do not mean good policy.

  • vicosads on 16/11/2017 - 09:24
    +11

    only western countries are expected to change established culture to accommodate ungrateful immigrants

    • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 13:41
      +3

      in other news, eastern countries are changing their culture to accommodate grateful immigrants.

    • bloobat on 16/11/2017 - 16:31
      -3

      This. If you come to this country you should speak it's language and assimilate. That's why there's so much hate against Islam because it's notorious for being very resistant to assimilation.

    • TheRealCher on 16/11/2017 - 19:23
      +2

      Calling post-war Japan….

  • outlander on 16/11/2017 - 10:33
    +2

    You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

  • try2bhelpful on 16/11/2017 - 11:04
    +4

    Amongst some of the genuinely insightful and thoughtful comments here, there seems to be a number of trolls as well. My suggestion is people stop feeding the trolls.

    • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 11:10
      -4

      Says stalking horse, smell the cheese method Virtue Troll #1, Pretend2BHelpful, tantrum otherwise. You exceed every definition of troll. You are just bitter that your vat reserve of self-righteousness was exposed as DNA positive for horse keratin.

    • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 11:19
      +2

      I've seen you make more trollish comments on OzB than anyone else who's in this thread. At least I hope they were troll comments, because if you were sincere…

    • tranter on 16/11/2017 - 11:34

      Are you saying the trolls came out from under their rock?

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 11:35
        +1

        Is that your hiding place from questions?

  • myusername on 16/11/2017 - 12:11
    +2

    i will admit i was rather reluctant and apprehensive about commenting on such a "hot topic"

    it's topics like this that can really divide people, and bring out the worst in people.

    ii'm happy to say i've watched my original comment go from being negged a few times (i did expect this) but now it has come back to normal.

    thank you to those who have given my comment a positive upvote, it's you that have restored my faith in humanity in this country.

    • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 12:16
      +7

      I think it's rather worrying that your faith in humanity in this country is determined (or even affected) by the response to your comments on an anonymous internet message board…

      But since it means so much to you, I voted up your comment!

      • myusername on 16/11/2017 - 12:23
        +2

        thanks i appreciate it :-)

        you know how it is mate.

        it's the little things in life that add up.

        little things like this make me feel there is hope for humans to move forward positively as a whole united group of people

      • syousef on 17/11/2017 - 13:09

        So you think it's worrying that someone gages a society based on what random people from that society by what's do in public?

        • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 13:22

          Oh hey I remember you! Can always count on you to provide some amusement when I'm bored. Keep it up!

        • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2017 - 15:52
          +1

          Yes it is worrying, given it's common on the internet to bolster real votes with fakes just to massage the egos of the validation clingy for advertising revenue. It also shows the cult-like viral methods of recruitment of the vulnerable and insecure. Views aren't formed on facts or logic, but on groupthink and reinforcement.

        • syousef on 17/11/2017 - 16:40

          @0blivion:

          I'm so glad you're amused. Perhaps when I commit Nazi war crimes, you'll let me live a life of luxury because it would be a waste of my comedy otherwise.

        • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 16:41
          +1

          @syousef: If you managed to commit Nazi war crimes, I'll give you whatever the hell you want, because 1. you apparently invented a time machine, and 2. we're in WWII when the Nazis were in power.

        • syousef on 17/11/2017 - 16:45

          @0blivion:

          Never heard of Neo-Nazis I suppose. And wars only happen in the past? Come on, you complain about me failing to amuse you, but you're not even trying.

        • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 16:48
          +1

          @syousef:

          Which Neo-Nazi country exists or is going to start a war?

          And I'm not even going into the whole 'apparently anyone who criticizes immigration or refugee policies is a 'Neo-Nazi' these days' argument.

        • syousef on 17/11/2017 - 20:50

          @0blivion:

          You don't need a whole country of Neo Nazis for them to partake in a war.

        • HighAndDry on 18/11/2017 - 00:00
          +1

          @syousef:

          Literally required to meet the definition of a "war", at least in the context of "war-crimes".

        • syousef on 18/11/2017 - 13:50

          @0blivion:

          Who said I was speaking literally?
          War is a tenuous thing. One man's "war" is another man's "conflict". Is a declaration of war required? Who gets to declare it? Was Vietnam a war?
          Clearly you have nothing better to do than play with semantics and are happy to let the point sail way over your head.

    • Well Wasted on 16/11/2017 - 22:42
      +1

      people will always stereotype you as a bigot or racist if your not "pro-import"

    • bunker1 on 17/11/2017 - 16:48

      I just want to say, you can choose not to let it bother you.
      Where I came from, racism is far worse, women were raped and murdered during race riots.

  • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 12:50
    +8

    So to be clear, there was an immigrant at your work complaining about the excessive amount of immigration?

    A true blue Aussie right there.

    On a more serious note, I am inclined to agree that all of these 457 VISAs for alleged shortages are complete bullshit. Not only are they displacing local workers, they are driving down conditions and the immigrants who are in these jobs are often exploited (Google cashback scams). And both sides of politics are to blame.

  • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 13:29
    +4

    The "don't like it, get out" mentality has its merits. Anyone that goes anywhere will have compliments and criticism about a place. Depending on the type of criticism, some can be discussed, and others really warrant encouragement to leave the country.

    I disapprove of certain political aspects of the country, namely the corporate influence in our politics. I am not fond of our growing infrastructure mismanagement. It is criticism but only bogans would tell me to leave because of it.

    OTOH, I have acquaintances and clients from overseas that complain about the social culture, such as only working five days a week / calling us lazy because our shops shut before midnight / no smoking wherever and whenever / pork being sold in supermarkets… this is our social culture. It is a culture that migrants by default accept when they enter the country. They're not at a loss for it but if they wish to impose their norms, they can and should return to their own country.

    Immigration is as much embracing a culture as it is crossing a border.

    — In response to your friend's discussion - He is absolutely right if his figures are correct. There are many professional jobs that are very highly regarded and standards are tightly controlled in Australia. The government erodes these controls and standards in favor of flooding the market (for whatever reason) and many of these professionals become un/underemployed as a result. That's just human resource mismanagement, not unlike a company hiring engineers to sweep floors.

  • thord on 16/11/2017 - 13:37
    +4

    I'm in two minds:

    • On the one hand, unless you're an expert in the field, or you've lived here a significant portion of your life, you shouldn't really be fighting for big changes. There's nothing worse than people who leave a country because they think it's shit, and when they arrive in their new country proceed to try and introduce all the qualities that made their original country shit to begin with.

    • On the other hand, outside perspectives are often beneficial, and far too often that type of phrase is used to shut down ideas/discussion because people are too stupid to have a rational discourse.

    So, I don't know…. It depends on context and the people involved.

    • Blitzfx on 16/11/2017 - 14:39
      +2

      I've first hand seen some of these people fail to adjust, either out of ignorance, stubbornness or hate of Australian culture, and they've subsequently propagated their stereotypes that make them look bad to begin with.
      Like for example, this lady carrying her child and telling them to piss in the bushes in front of a main road, during peak hour. Mind you, the kid wasn't hidden in the bush.

      And, for a long time, baby milk formula/powder. No sense of community or fairness.

  • PictureMeBroken on 16/11/2017 - 13:47

    Everyone here is an immigrant, except for, you know the people whose race got nearly wiped out. Australians arguing about immigration is probably one of the most cringeworthy things ever.

    And yes, that colleague was definitely being highly racist. Do you need to like everything here? Do you need to agree with everything here? And if you don´t then you can (or should) leave?

    Hmmm, does definitely sound a bit like dictatorship to me. Is this what this people want? No open opinion? No sense to improve things? Swimming with the stream your entire life? Food for thought.

    • Well Wasted on 16/11/2017 - 22:49
      +1

      just don't bring your shite filled baggage with you… in a dog eat dog world… these are the dogs that people take pity on. i am sick of the itching and scratching from the fleas…

    • stow5920 on 18/11/2017 - 22:41

      Explain how I am an immigrant. I am descendant of the people who built Australia. You braindead idiots who call everyone racist don't even know what a country is. Hint : It's not dirt.

  • centrelink on 16/11/2017 - 13:59
    +1

    Sounds like a communist statement to me. Though it would be like it or disappear

  • isidore12 on 16/11/2017 - 14:00
    +5

    My wife is Australian (born and raised), meanwhile I am from Europe. I can share my experience and my point of view.

    1) As an immigrant, I consider myself like a guest. I will obliged to well behave.

    2) I choose the best place to live for my family. It means we may go back to Europe if we think it is best for us.

    3) I choose to become citizen as I have been living in Australia for many years, and to unsure stability to my family (citizenship can't be taken back, a visa can).

    4) I regret and disagree with Australian politics, which in my (narrow and limited ) opinion, sacrificed the well being of people for capitalist reasons.

    5) Immigration should always come with Integration. There is no point having people coming in the country if they don't like the country, the culture, the language or the people who already live in.

    I am from a country in Europe where immigration has been used as mean to have more people voting Labour (so to stay in power). The result was catastrophic both socially and economically.

    Immigration is neither good or bad, it must done with proper consideration.

    • tranter on 16/11/2017 - 14:13
      +1

      Yes, I agree. Apart from the First Peoples we are all guests.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 18:37

        Typical response. If we are all guest then how can we vote? if we are aliens then why do we pay taxes? we are not guest. We are Australian Citizens. aboriginals are not the only people here that are lawfully and rightfully here.

    • BargainCowboy on 16/11/2017 - 14:21
      +2

      immigration has been used as mean to have more people voting Labour

      Spot on.

    • vicosads on 16/11/2017 - 20:02
      +2

      It is the reason why democrats in america and lefty parties around the world fight so hard for immigration, replacement of the native population for reliable left voting immigrants. Humanitarianism? nah its all about power.

  • ninetyNineCents on 16/11/2017 - 14:09
    +11

    Why is it okay to criticise Australian ways but its off limits to say anything about foreign cultures and religions ?

    The facts are while Australia isnt perfect, the reason they left their old places its because their own ways and religions turned that land into a shithole.

    • OzzyOzbourne on 16/11/2017 - 15:00

      Progress comes from finding solutions to problems. But first you have to recognise and accept there are problems.

      What progress have we made after decades of unbroken growth?

      Zero, because it's the best country in the world, so we don't have problems.

      • Blitzfx on 16/11/2017 - 15:05

        I disagree. Growth in what?
        I think gay marriage today was good problem solved.
        NBN is still on the top of a lot of people's list. All that money wasted.
        Apparent government corruption and fossil fuels is there.

        It's not like we're burying our heads in the sand.

        • centrelink on 16/11/2017 - 18:16
          +1

          All I want in a country is good internet and good food, but it's so friggen hard to get long term visa in Japan

      • stow5920 on 18/11/2017 - 22:47

        Growth in what? The quality of life in Australia peaked in the 1970s.

        The energy problem is the only example you need to show what a retarded country Australia is. Some of, if not THE, largest deposits of Coal, Uranium and Natural Gas in the world and yet electricity supply problems with ridiculous costs.

        And while the stupid public praise pointless gay marriage which doesn't actually change anything for gay people because they already have every legal benefit of marriage in civil unions, politicians pass more property tax laws. The two primary functions of government are to defend borders and property rights. Ours does neither. Australia is flooded with Asians and there are nowhere near enough jobs. Our economy is completely (profanity).

  • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 14:12
    +5

    Moving countries is a major commitment and uproots your entire life and livlihood. People who day these things have no idea on the sacrifices immigrants have made and for the betterment of our country

    • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 14:49
      +3

      People who day these things have no idea on the sacrifices immigrants have made and for the betterment of our country

      I'm pretty sure the main thing on their minds was: "Is this good for me and my family", and not "Is this good for Australia."

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 14:57
        +1

        Doesn't matter. The made a commitment to be here and no matter the reason they are now contributors, and many go above and beyond to express gratitude to the country who provided them and their family the opportunity

        • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 15:07
          +2

          Sure it matters - you're making it as though they're sacrificing for the good of the country. No… they may have sacrificed but it's solely for themselves and their families. Still good, but it's hardly altruistic or an act of charity.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 20:27
          +1

          @0blivion: I don't see how that is relevant or matters what motives them if at the end of the day they are an asset to our society rather than a liability. Doing it for patriotism doesn't make them any more valuable, but in general there are a high proportion of patriotic immigrants anyway if they feel indebted to the country for giving them/their family a better life.

      • Blitzfx on 16/11/2017 - 15:01
        +1

        Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard a case of someone uprooting their entire life to help another country as the primary reason.

    • ninetyNineCents on 16/11/2017 - 16:00
      +1

      Everyone has problems to solve in their life. Why do i need to know an immigrants problems ? Why does it matter ?

      We are all adults we are responsible for our own affairs we dont need to turn this into a pathetic lets feel sorry for the immigrant every day …

      • MessyG on 17/11/2017 - 17:31
        +1

        Gosh, why care about anyone's problems then? Positive change in society is made because people care, never because they don't.

        • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2017 - 17:44
          +1

          What about when Crammed gets canned?

        • ninetyNineCents on 18/11/2017 - 20:32
          +1

          Do you really listen to "everyones" problems ?

        • MessyG on 19/11/2017 - 08:12

          @ninetyNineCents: Does everything have to be all or nothing? Is it really not my problem vs all their problems? The problems anyone cares about tend to align with their values - if you don't know your own values or have none, I suppose you wouldn't care about very much at all. When larger groups of people share similar values and care enough to act on them, that's how things get better. There is no rule requiring anyone to care 100% of the time.

        • ninetyNineCents on 20/11/2017 - 09:53
          +1

          @MissG:

          Does everything have to be all or nothing?

          Why mention immigrants need to be singled out for extra hugs ?

          Is it really not my problem vs all their problems? T

          I never said that, but why single out one group as "special" ?

          The problems anyone cares about tend to align with their values - if you don't know your own values or have none, I suppose you wouldn't care about very much at all.

          Please tell me about my values since you know so much.

          Im simply pointing out why is it necssary to find out if a person is an immigrant before you "listen: to their problems ?

        • MessyG on 20/11/2017 - 11:45

          @ninetyNineCents: Your question was "Do you really listen to "everyones" problems ?" not, "why single out one group as special?". You also didn't point out why it was necessary to find out if someone was an immigrant - you asked if I really listen to everyone's problems.

          Context is everything. In the original post, the information had been volunteered to the OP. So no you don't need to find out if everyone is an immigrant, nor single anyone out. If someone volunteers information, I will respond based on my values.

          I have no idea what your values are. I know what mine are and I respond according to those.

          As one of my mentors once said "opinions are cheap, what people really want is sympathy". I have no problem giving that.

        • ninetyNineCents on 20/11/2017 - 12:12
          +1

          @MissG:

          Context is everything. In the original post, the information had been volunteered to the OP. So no you don't need to find out if everyone is an immigrant, nor single anyone out. If someone volunteers information, I will respond based on my values.

          Thats my point, why let people feel they are special in anyway just because they are a refugee, does it even matter ?

        • MessyG on 20/11/2017 - 16:41

          @ninetyNineCents: I'm not sure you're making someone feel special by not saying "if you don't like it get out"!

          The original post refers to an immigrant, not a refugee, there is a huge difference between the two groups (i.e. refugees have usually been tortured, raped and had most of their families murdered before they get here).

          Refraining from saying something not particularly helpful does not equal making someone feel special! My response to the person in the original post would be 'yeah that sucks dude I hope you can find some work eventually". Even that I don't think is singling someone out to make them feel special, nothing wrong with commiserating with someone, seems fairly reasonable to me.

        • ninetyNineCents on 20/11/2017 - 17:27

          @MissG:

          (i.e. refugees have usually been tortured, raped and had most of their families murdered before they get here).

          Thats utter bullshit. I would suggest that you look up a dictionary or the UN definition at what refugee means and then study where those people have supposedly come from and how they got to Australia and how they financed their travels.

        • MessyG on 20/11/2017 - 17:36

          @ninetyNineCents: I looked up the UN definition:

          "A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war, or violence." Dictionary definition similar. Pretty in line with my statement.

          I have no need to continue this discussion with you.

        • ninetyNineCents on 20/11/2017 - 17:58
          +1

          @MissG:

          Nope you dpnt know how to read.

          A refugee from Afghanistan is only a refugee when they enter a neighbouring country like Pakistan, India. When they leave India they are no longer a refugee. When they skipped Malaysia and Indonsia they are no longer a refugee because Indonesia and Malaysia are not warzones and are perfectly safe.

          Secondly as i guessed you completely failed to reply regarding how people from Afghanistan manage to save 50x their annual income to pay for their travels and the people smugger boats.

          So tell me how does an Afghan who earns less than $500 a year manage to save tens of thousands to travel, eat, bribe, and finally get on a people smugger boat ?

        • ninetyNineCents on 20/11/2017 - 18:06
          +1

          @MissG:

          Notice the definition only applies when they are in their own country and have crossed the border to a neighbouring country. WHen they leave that safe country ( if it is safe) they are no longer a refugee, just like when the locals of the "safe" country leave their country they arent refugees.

          https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/

          A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war, or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. Most likely, they cannot return home or are afraid to do so. War and ethnic, tribal and religious violence are leading causes of refugees fleeing their countries.
          More than half of all refugees worldwide come from just three countries: Syria, Afghanistan and South Sudan.

    • stow5920 on 18/11/2017 - 22:51
      +2

      This was true for early Australia and early America. People moved there to CREATE a better life, often because they were given free land to get started. They moved here expecting to do hard work and make something of themselves and the country, often due to not liking something about their country of origin. Hell USA had a war with theirs.

      Nowadays, all the hard work and blood spilling was done by our forefathers, so all the immigrants come to reap the benefits at the expense of their decendants. What percentage of Indian students come here to learn skills they can take back to India to improve life for Indians? My bet it is in the single digits.

      • ninetyNineCents on 20/11/2017 - 18:04
        +1

        Hell USA had a war with theirs.

        You do realise one of th emain reasons the American colonies rebelled is because the british gov didnt want to allow the colonies to expand westward and wanted to leave those lands for the natives.

        Dont believe Hollywood…

        What percentage of Indian students come here to learn skills they can take back to India to improve life for Indians? My bet it is in the single digits.

        To be fair the groups that want attention want it for a reason, they want some handout or special something from the government. Hardworkers never ask for attention.

  • DarthAntz on 16/11/2017 - 14:20

    I like Australia, but left anyway to work overseas. I now like the new country better, I've married and I'll stay here from now on. I'm technically an immigrant myself now, and fresh with poor language. But I use everything ive learned to keep above water and be a positive part of where i am, and continue to learn. keeping it simple. And as an immigrant, im thriving in new territory. thats the attraction and the benefit.
    But being in Japan now, i wondered if it was 'japan' or 'the countryside' that i liked more. I realised that the mentality of people with the 'dont like it, leave' mentality are the products of a stressed metropolis, the product of competition you cant see or fight, because youre that easily convinced there is a problem. Ive copped the 'alien' tag here, and realised its worldwide. I think your colleague doesnt have many friends. I wouldnt trust someone who lacks empathy.

    You have the choice to subscribe to complaining about the issue, or you could get on with life and become a better person and role model for those around you that want to improve.

    • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 14:26
      +1

      Have you been reported by a neighbour on the nanbanjin hotline?

      Regarding empathy, I have a similar rule of "Don't trust empaths with apostrophising, maths or logical continuity". Works a treat.

      • DarthAntz on 16/11/2017 - 14:50
        +2

        i remove all traces of my name and english materials from my rubbish. I look like anpanman, so police profiles identify me too easily. Obaachan wants no (aussie) beef.

        i dont trust your vocabulary. It triggers my Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia.

  • OzzyOzbourne on 16/11/2017 - 14:57
    +2

    They're not willing or able to accept and resolve issues, have no empathy, self centred, low intelligence.

  • adante on 16/11/2017 - 15:34
    +1

    I think they should be consistent in applying their policy. In my experience very few (I would hazard none) of the people I have known firsthand to say this are perfectly content with the state of country (that is, they have NO ISSUES AT ALL). So I wish they would take their own advice and get out.

  • SpotTheOzzie on 16/11/2017 - 15:51
    +2

    On a side note can confirm that at least in NSW there's definitely no shortage of accountants, infact there's way too many of us that it keeps driving our salaries down because someone will accept an underpaying job in their chosen profession rather than going unemployed. It's completely nuts.

    I remember being an accountant for a large entity that had professions in all fields (IT, Marketing, Customer Service, Personal Assistants, etc, etc) and we were the lowest paid group by a big margin. We'd have a higher expectation of hours to work, we'd have additional requirements of education (being a Chartered Accountant). This seemed consistent across a few places I worked. This may have changed once you reached the much higher ranks of finance (Director, CFO, etc).

  • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 15:57
    +2

    Comeback:

    If you don't have time for your fellow Aussies, then leave!

    I bought some Afghan bread in Auburn the other day. It was awesome.

    • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 16:05
      +1

      Happy to see you're still with us after an expedition to that corner of Sydney.

      • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 16:10
        +5

        Oh i got stabbed of course, but the bread was great.

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