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Windows 10 Skylake Tablet (Cube i7 Book Core M3 6Y30 4G/64GB) - US$299 Posted (~AU$392.85) @ AliExpress

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~AU$364.37 after cashback

Brand Name:Cube
Item Type:Tablet PC
Tablet Data Capacity:64GB
Network Communiction:Bluetooth,Wifi
Screen Size:10.6"
Extend Port:DC Jack,Earphone Jack,TF card,USB
Package:Yes
Net Weight:About 0.9kg
Supporting Language: English,Russian,Spanish,Swedish,Portuguese,Turkish,German,French,Japanese,Polish,Ukrainian,Hebrew
Camera:Second Webcam
Processor Manufacture:Intel
Touch Screen Type:Capacitive Screen
Processor Main Frequency:Dual Core
Feature:Multi Touch,G Sensor,OTG
Memory Capacity:4GB
Item Condition:New
Second Webcam Pixels:2MP
Operating System:Windows 10
Display resolution:1920x1080
Cell Capacity:4500mAh(MAX)
Processor Model:Intel Core M3-6Y30(Skylake)
Cube Model:cube I7 Book
OS:Windows 10
CPU:Intel Core M-6Y30 Skylake

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  • incipient on 12/07/2016 - 17:19
    +4

    Why on earth can you not charge this via the type c connector!? Kills this product for me =(

    • pwrusr-com on 12/07/2016 - 17:33
      +5

      'though you might wish to use the type c connector for other things while it's getting charged.

    • lostn on 12/07/2016 - 18:14
      +3

      Same as Surface Pro. So you don't lose your only USB slot when charging…

      The charging port is an extra port. Extra things are good.

      • incipient on 12/07/2016 - 18:41
        +1

        That is a good point, but the other type a port I feel is sufficient for the rare cases. I would much rather the added convince of only needing one charger for phone and laptop….and there are usb charging places everywhere these days…including external power banks.

        • ozhunter68 on 13/07/2016 - 12:58
          +1

          Agree with both the O/P and incipient. Would have been great to be able to charge via new USB type C port as well as having a dedicated charging port option. Best of both worlds.

    • Age of Espeon on 12/07/2016 - 18:16
      +3

      According to the reviewer in baronseng's video below, you can indeed charge via usb c.

    • Lief on 12/07/2016 - 18:20
      +2

      I did a quick look around and this guy at least claims you can.
      I'll update if I find anymore information from a not quick look
      Edit: It turns out this is a very recent release so there's not much more than anecdotal evidence for USB charging, but techtablets seems to be a fairly legit operation so i'd put my money on it.
      I found some pictures of the internals on their site though and it seems the ssd is an mSATA drive so you can replace it with your own if 64gb is too small.

  • Clear on 12/07/2016 - 17:21

    About time it went to $299 I've been checking all day.

    • spackbace on 12/07/2016 - 17:28
      +1

      Don't forget nearly $30 cashback :)

      • Clear on 12/07/2016 - 17:30

        Even better. Especially since Cube is one of the better brands.

  • PVA on 12/07/2016 - 17:39
    +1

    They also have a US$3 off over $200 coupon, so dont forget that. Every dollar helps.

  • baronseng on 12/07/2016 - 17:43

    Video Review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cixGThQn5_Q

  • aim54x on 12/07/2016 - 17:45
    +1

    Nice specs, no need for one and not sure of aliexpress

  • BuyNow Think Later on 12/07/2016 - 17:51
    -1

    No Paypal with AliExpress. How do you pay without disclosing your credit card details to AliExpress?

    • teasatotalling on 12/07/2016 - 17:56
      +10

      Couldn't you say the same about PayPal?

    • hen dawg on 12/07/2016 - 18:20
      +14

      Aliexpress/Alibaba are huge (biggest online retailer in the world i think) and as safe as anyone else you use online. The seller never sees your credit card, and they only get paid once you confirm it's recieved
      http://escrow.aliexpress.com/escrow-faq/payment/how-secure-i…

    • pwrusr-com on 12/07/2016 - 18:42
      +4

      AliPay (https://intl.alipay.com/) is a service similar to Paypal that is integrated into AliExpress.

    • [Deactivated] on 12/07/2016 - 21:20

      How do you pay for anything without disclosing your cc details?

      • BuyNow Think Later on 12/07/2016 - 21:38
        +3

        AliPay.

        • [Deactivated] on 12/07/2016 - 23:50

          How do aili pay know?

  • Tiggrrrrr on 12/07/2016 - 18:02
    +12

    The i7 name is a bit confusing given the M3 core…

  • lostn on 12/07/2016 - 18:16
    -7

    Price is pretty good for what you're getting, but it's Aliexpress.

    • pwrusr-com on 12/07/2016 - 18:48
      +4

      care to elaborate/share a little bit more?

    • scrimshaw on 12/07/2016 - 18:55
      +3

      Buying from Aliexpress carries just as much risk as buying from eBay. Neither are any better when it comes to buyer protection.

      • Thrawn on 12/07/2016 - 21:46
        +4

        I'm going through an AliExpress dispute process at the moment. Frankly it's a mess, confusing and takes forever to progress. I have little confidence I'd get my money back.

        eBay dispute process is much, much better (for the buyer)

      • RedHab on 13/07/2016 - 10:09
        +1

        Buying from AliExpress is more risky than eBay. They don't take PayPal, which means you're at risk of credit card fraud.

        Their dispute resolution is more biased towards the seller.

      • EnALup on 13/07/2016 - 11:18

        Didn't have any problem with issue resolution from ebay.

      • lostn on 13/07/2016 - 22:13

        ebay sellers typically have far more ratings than Aliexpress which have a much smaller sample size for you to decide whether you can trust the seller or not.

        Their dispute process favors the seller over the buyer also. I had sound issues, and Aliex asked me for photos (wtf?), and gave me a three day to prove that the item was defective or my case would be closed and dismissed. It was kind of difficult to prove audio issues in headphones.

        Another time they sent me an item that was a substitute of the one they advertised and showed in photos. It was a much lower quality item, but not considered defective, so I couldn't get my money back for it. The seller's defense was that items aren't guaranteed to match what's shown in pictures. You get an equivalent substitute. But this was not an equivalent substitute. What they gave me was an el cheapo. But how do I prove in photos that this is a poorer quality product than the one in the photos?

  • railspider on 12/07/2016 - 18:57
    +3

    If you want a keyboard and stylus (and why wouldn't you…who buys just the tablet for a 2-in-1) it's 406.99$ US

    A bit excessive. Nice specs on the device, but not hot on paying an extra ~$150 AUD for the necessary accessories.

    • donnot on 12/07/2016 - 19:30

      Can't find the stylus anywhere for purchase :/. Do you have a link?

      • Lief on 12/07/2016 - 19:36
        +2

        It's the 3rd option under the heading "bundles"

      • railspider on 12/07/2016 - 19:42
        +2

        Just click the last bundle option at the aliexpress link

        With just a keyboard it's $359.99, and $339.99 with just a stylus. Pricey accessories!

        • iridiumstem on 12/07/2016 - 19:53
          +1

          As far as I know, the pen they used in previous i7 Stylus model was using Wacom EMR tech. You can get compatiable pen for around $15 AUD easily (or if you have Galaxy Note, you can even use the pen from that).

    • macrocephalic on 12/07/2016 - 22:10

      This is why I ended up buying a Dell instead, recently. The chinese 2-in-1's end up being about the same price, but generally have worse batteries, and often worse processors.

      • pwrusr-com on 12/07/2016 - 22:37

        would you mind sharing a little bit more info about a skylake-based 2-in-1 Dell with a ~$400 price tag, a better battery and a more powerful processor?

        • macrocephalic on 13/07/2016 - 09:38
          +1

          When I was looking (about a month ago), most of the chinese tablets were using Z8300 cpus, 2GB or maybe 4GB of RAM, and came with either 32 or 64 SSD's. I ended up buying the inspiron 11 with an n3700, 128GB SSD, 4GB of RAM and much better battery life (~10 hours IME) for $419.

          This one does have a better processor than the dell, and a better screen, but if you want it with a keyboard then you have to fork out another $150, and it's only got a 64GB SSD which I'll bet is not upgradable - neither will the RAM be upgradeable. Both the RAM and SSD are upgradeable in the Dell.

          Otherwise, the dell outlet currently has this one [DFO-3510392IP] for $455 with an i3-6100u, 4GB of ram, 128GB ssd - but not a 2-in-1, and with a lower res screen.

        • pwrusr-com on 13/07/2016 - 11:40
          +1

          @macrocephalic:

          Great feedback, thank you for sharing.

          What you got sounds like a reasonable bargain.

          A few extra points:
          - your device is 2nd hand or refurb, this is brand new.

          • The SSD IS upgradeable - it is an m.2 2242 and you may get an aftermarket 256GBs one (provided you know your way around).

          Cheers.

        • macrocephalic on 13/07/2016 - 12:31
          +3

          @pwrusr-com: Most of the items on the dell outlet are cancelled orders etc. Mine came in packaging which had obviously been opened, but it still had all the protective plastic on the device, and I couldn't see any evidence that it had actually been used. WRT longevity, I'd rather deal with a refurb dell than a brand new chinese device - dell has local warranty at least.

          I'm surprised about the ssd being upgradeable in the cube - but it is a bonus.

      • railspider on 12/07/2016 - 22:43

        Do you know if the 2-in-1's on the Dell Outlet always come with a keyboard and stylus?

        • macrocephalic on 13/07/2016 - 09:38

          The Dell 2in1's use a flipping keyboard, not a detachable one - so they all come with keyboards.

  • moonwalk on 12/07/2016 - 19:41

    so the price is with keyboard and stylus?

    • raydragon on 12/07/2016 - 21:02
      +3

      Nope, for Tablet only, though I grant you that isn't immediately obvious from the listing. There is a natural assumption that you get what is in the first picture that is presented to you however this isn't the case.

      • nzcoops on 12/07/2016 - 21:41

        Immediately obvious… That's an understatement! *2/3 of picture not included :)

  • AussieGargain on 12/07/2016 - 19:51
    +5

    The product name will be more attractive if they call the tablet as "Cube i7 850EVO 1080ti".

  • [Deactivated] on 12/07/2016 - 20:01

    10.1

    Isn't it better off buying a 10.1 i3 skylake tablet/laptop on Dell Outlet? Price difference is not much.

    • donnot on 12/07/2016 - 21:47
      +1

      Don't think you'd find anything with a FHD display and Wacom stylus support for near this price.

  • justtoreply on 12/07/2016 - 20:02
    +4

    Don't use i7 in the model name when the CPU is an M3.

  • Kikkoman56 on 12/07/2016 - 22:34
    +5

    I have the previous gen Cube i7 Stylus with the m-5y10. This model physically looks very similar to the previous gen. Some things to be potentially aware of:
    - Their layout internally of SSD beneath the wifi antenna lead has resulted in some users experiencing BSOD's
    - Wifi module is incapable of wifi connection while using bluetooth
    - Touchscreen digitiser turns off occasionally even while screen is on and relies on pressing the capacitive start button to turn it back on.
    - If put to sleep and not fully turned off, sometimes will result in the digitiser not working at all and requiring a full reboot.
    - Palm rejection not always consistent i.e. when using onenote and writing it will occasionally swing the page down.

    I still use my tablet often at work but it's issues are very typical of 2nd tier chinese electronics manufacturers. If your expectations are low and you can deal with these kinds of quirks it'll be a serviceable tablet for the price.

    also edit:
    Hopefully they are using a new design for the pogo pin pcb at the base of the tablet. Many users who bought the case for the previous model have found that after a few months it wont connect either from the pins not contacting or the ribbon internally that connects to the tablet breaking.

    tl;dr:
    Know what you're getting yourself into if you go this route

    • pwrusr-com on 12/07/2016 - 23:04

      Great comment - thank you for sharing your experience - Defo' something to look for.

      • I personally doubt there would be any ill SSD/wifi interaction(s) (as much as to cause BSODs).

      • Re Wi-fi+BT, I plan on using a logitech keyb w/unifi receiver ('though, just out of curiosity, I'll test out a bt keyb. while on wi-fi).

      • The Touchscreen digitiser issues seem like a small nuisance - hopefully it won't be too bad (assuming they haven't fixed the issues in the meantime).

      • Inconsistent Palm rejection seems really minor, guess you can live w/occasional page down swings on OneNote.

      Q: Have you worked out a step-by-step process to reproduce (any of) the issues that you mentioned and/or reported them to the manufacturer (say here: http://www.cube-tablet.com/contacts/) ?

      Cheers.

      • Kikkoman56 on 12/07/2016 - 23:28
        +1

        I wouldn't think so too but from what other users have said it seems plausible, the antenna connects right above where the ssd is and runs above it. Plus the wifi chip or drivers they use seem to not be the greatest regardless.
        See
        http://techtablets.com/forum/topic/cube-i7-styluzz-wifi-erro…
        http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62149468&post…

        The problems I've experienced have been more or less what everyone else has experienced on the various tech forums and I've grown to live with them. Some people have suggested installing a new wifi antenna or fully reinstalling windows to fix the wifi issue but I went the easy way out and just use a usb wifi dongle when i need to use bluetooth.

        To be honest I highly doubt they will respond haha. This is actually my third product from this manufacturer, I had Cube Talk 5H a few years ago which I accidentally cracked the screen on. I tried to post on their forums about my phone problems but my posts were deleted by admins/mods so I never bothered after… Had a Cube iWork 8 that had held up fairly well until it was replaced by the i7 Stylus.

        • iridiumstem on 13/07/2016 - 05:39

          Have you tried using Surface Pro 3 or any other newer Surface product that has n-trig on it? I was sitting on the fence on getting this model for aeons, Wacom EMR and all, but I really couldn't bring my self to trust Chinese vendors to do Wacom EMR right (i.e. even manufacturers like Asus had issues with Wacom EMR implementations on Vivotab Note 8, specifically magnetism from either speaker or microphone interfering with the stylus). I liked Wacom on Surface Pro 1 because it was better than Surface Pro 3's n-trig with hovering and palm rejection.

          So if you've used SP3 or any other later Surface models with n-trig before, how does this compare to that?

    • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2016 - 08:38
      +1

      Thanks! I almost bought one, glad I missed it - I wouldn't be able to put up with that.

  • tako on 12/07/2016 - 22:47
    +1

    Sneaky naming.

  • chachi on 12/07/2016 - 22:48
    +2

    Would be great if it had dual boot with Android.

    • pwrusr-com on 12/07/2016 - 23:22
      -2

      given everyone is entitled to an opinion, I tend to disagree with you and therefore I'm glad it only single-boots to Windows :-P

      • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2016 - 08:36

        wow pretentious much, that is just my opinion.

        • pwrusr-com on 13/07/2016 - 13:16
          +1

          Thanks for your opinion and sorry if I sounded pretentious (totally unintended).

          Please refer to my last comment (below) for a more articulated explanation.

      • chachi on 13/07/2016 - 09:10
        -1

        Woaw, thanks for that useless bit of info.

    • MrMcHairyHead on 13/07/2016 - 08:45

      Google doesn't permit any devices to ship dual booting Android.

      • iridiumstem on 13/07/2016 - 09:00
        +3

        That probably only apply to those who actually care about what Google/MS says (i.e. their partners like ASUS or Samsung, both dropped dual booting devices that they were going to release). There are many dual booting devices from China though.

      • Clear on 13/07/2016 - 12:42

        They still GMS Certify them though.

    • railspider on 13/07/2016 - 11:17
      +1

      I could be totally wrong on this, but I believe I read the i9 model of this device (basically the same specs with a bigger 12" screen) comes with Windows/Android dual boot from some re-sellers.

    • pwrusr-com on 13/07/2016 - 13:09
      +1

      Despite Android doing great in the Smartphone arena, I'd rather use Windows on an intel X86 tablet PC.

      Personally I consider Android x86 a good hacking experience (similar to hackintosh).

      If you want an out-of-the box Android experience, you are better served by an ARM device. Other than that, you are free to hack your way through and get Android x86 installed on such a device (or maybe Chrome OS?! Idea - Why not try to dual boot both?!).

      Peace.

      • iridiumstem on 13/07/2016 - 13:34
        +1

        Hmmm, I am not sure whether you have used a Windows tablet as a tablet but I kinda see why people would want an Android OS on top of it.

        I think Windows OS still is not good with touchscreen (and I personally believe this will never change because people buy Windows tablet as a PC substitute), especially compared to Android and iOS. A lot of apps on Android work better with touchscreen than the programs that Windows have. MX Player has more touch friendly interface than Media Player Classic, etc etc. I personally think that's why people want dual boot devices, OSs have different strength.

        • pwrusr-com on 13/07/2016 - 13:49

          True, Admittedly I have a limited experience w/Android & iOS tablet(s).

          That said, after having accumulated dual and triple boot experiences in the past, I now made my mind and consider dual boot devices as suboptimal (ie. "try to please everyone and end-up pleasing no-one", inefficient use of resources, etc.).

          In other words, Windows on a tablet PC, despite (possibly) not having all the (Android and/or iOS) bells & whistles, is "good enough"/capable of satisfying 80% of my (or my family members') computing needs. Plus/On top of it, you get the full PC stack experience :)

        • iridiumstem on 13/07/2016 - 14:10
          +1

          @pwrusr-com: Each to their own, I suppose.

          That said, not using Android part of the dual booting tablet just means it takes up space (and usually that can easily be removed with just erasing the partition that it is in). Whereas installing Android onto devices that never had Android on it… well let's just say, my opinion of that is, just spend additional $300~400 for a decent Android tablet instead. It will leave you with less frustration.

          I think your opinion of "try to please everyone and end up pleasing no one" applies more to Windows OS itself with how it handles touch input. Its UI is a horrible mishmash of UI that's trying to be both touch friendly and keyboard and mouse friendly. MS's attempt to please everyone by implementing Metro UI ended up making Windows 8 one of the, if not the biggest flop. I think it did worse than Vista, if my memory serves me correctly. I still haven't found a video player, picture viewer, internet browser, keyboard and file explorer that didn't make me go, "This is crap, I am going to find a place to sit down and use mouse and keyboard" or "I should've just bought my Android tablet instead".

          I might sound like I hate Windows tablets, but I don't. My gf bought a Surface Pro because of me pretty much and I would probably buy another one if my SP breaks down again. All those I've mentioned in my opinion is where Android and iOS has comparative advantages in, just like how trying to use those like a laptop would show why they will never replace a laptop completely.

          Anyways, my opinion is, Android OS is better than Windows at certain things and that's why I think people like dual boot devices. If you don't like dual boot devices, as far as I know it simply involves removing partition where Android OS was in. I am not saying that you should use dual boot devices (because that's not what I want to or should say), I am simply trying to show you why some people would want dual boot devices.

        • pwrusr-com on 13/07/2016 - 15:53

          @Oversimplified:

          Hi mate and thank you for your input - totally agree w/you - Each to their own.

          Re Dual booting, IMHO this is a feature that caters to a minority (of undecided people). Generally speaking, the majority (of people) "gets to know what they want" (otherwise popular devices such as MacBooks wouldn't exist).

          So, when I said:"try to please everyone and end up pleasing no one", I was referring to the "reasons" on why a vendor would want to market dual boot devices.

          Among other things, Vendors & Manufacturers choose to market dual boot devices on new/evolving markets (such as tablets), that still require answers to questions such as:
          1. Who will buy their device (ie. age-groups, etc.).
          2. Which OS will be the "winning horse".
          3. Other factors.

          • So that is (IMHO) a "good reason" why dual boot makes sense.

          Re Windows, given my wife owned a Surface Pro 2 (now broken…), we perfectly know what we're getting and we're happy about it b/c we know it'll do what we'd expect it to do. So, in our opinion, Win8 -> 8.1 -> 10 is more like a natural evolution than your (quite negative) opinion of it.
          I myself was frustrated by Win8 on my Desktop/Laptop, but Win10 hit the sweet spot - extra options/features/usability without too much bloat (and plenty of frustration-free apps that do what you want if/when used in tablet mode!).

        • [Deactivated] on 13/07/2016 - 19:06
          -1

          @pwrusr-com: Mate you see yourself as a "power user" but in fact you are really quite clueless. You admit never having used iOS or Android so you don't know what you are missing out on. Windows & Android/iOS are two totally different kettles of fish. I've used Android on x86 hardware and as long as the OEM has put in the proper effort to support the hardware, it runs great, you can't even tell whether it is running on x86 or ARM. A 2-in-1/Dual Boot saves paying for or having to carry around yet another device.

        • pwrusr-com on 13/07/2016 - 20:29

          @The Land of Smeg:

          Reading what I want to publish about me through my blog doesn't automatically entitle you to personal attacks and for that you have been reported.

          You affirm I never used iOS or Android, but if you put your ego aside and re-read what I've written, you'll notice that I've said (quote):"I have a limited experience w/Android & iOS tablet(s)."

          Sorry to disappoint - It is quite the contrary - I do own (and/or support professionally) both Android and iOS.

        • iridiumstem on 13/07/2016 - 20:46
          +1

          @pwrusr-com: Dual booting is all about choice in my opinion. There is no "winning horse", every OS has its different advantage. Therefore people want a choice between what to use.

          I personally have used and helped setting:

          • Vivotab Note 8 (which was my father's first tablet that was soon given to my younger brother because UI was too tiny for him, problems with HiDPI)
          • Surface Pro 1 (my first laptop/tablet hybrid, my girlfriend and I both had one)
          • Galaxy TabPro 10.1 (I still own this, mostly as a netflix and youtube machine)
          • Tab S 10.5 (My dad's that I bought for him)
          • iPad Mini 4 (My mom's that my gf bought for her)
          • Surface Pro 3 (a replacement unit from MS, when my SP1 broke down)

          I have setted all those up and had saying in their purchases. I've had full access to them over a month at least (my family lives overseas and my parents are blind when it comes to tech). I've used them all when it comes to tablets (mostly Android and Windows) and with Android and Windows, I had them since the bloody Surface Pro 1 era. Yes, I would want a dual boot tablet, because it means I have a choice between an OS that's for productivity and an OS that's for content consumption.

          About me being negative about Windows OS as a tablet OS, just because I compare and give criticisms, I am being negative about a product? I could give you reasons why I don't want an Android tablet as a laptop. Probably same length or even longer. As I mentioned before, these OSs have different advantages. I've used them for aeons, I like both OS tablets and I will probably replace them both eventually with an Android tablet and a Windows tablet (or a dual boot device).

        • [Deactivated] on 14/07/2016 - 05:44

          @pwrusr-com: you really have a high opinion of yourself that you think that I have read your blog? No it is just what you are written here. You dish out personal attacks here because you don't like their opinion but when I don't like your opinion you cry foul to the mods. You don't seem to get it that there is plenty of great technology from different vendors with different ways of doing things, different advantages and weaknesses, different types of CPUs, different form factors, and people want the choice to have the best of everything. Just because you have had a cursory look at non-Windows machines just to do some basic setup and troubleshooting doesn't make you qualified to know what you are talking about.

        • pwrusr-com on 14/07/2016 - 10:29

          @Oversimplified:

          Good point - Choice is good and (with my previous response) I never excluded "other" reasons.

          Q: Did you notice that most of the devices you listed are "single"-boot ;-)

        • pwrusr-com on 14/07/2016 - 10:57

          @The Land of Smeg:

          I've seriously considered to ignore your last comment. At a second thought, 'though, I think it is more important that people like you receive an appropriate response (even if some others might consider it a "waste of time" or hopeless).

          First thing first - Grammar - "No it is just what you have written here".

          Second - I defend everyone's right to an opinion and express my opinion. What I don't like is personal attacks and when this happens I "cry foul to the mods".

          When you say:"You don't seem to get it [..]", you are only arguing and making up stuff against me without personally knowing me in the first place, so, before writing this kind of stuff, make sure you base anything that you write on known facts.

          Hoping the above will make you reflect, what you'll receive next is my gift of indifference.

          Thanks.

        • iridiumstem on 14/07/2016 - 11:12
          +1

          @pwrusr-com: Yeah, though that's more because of, I tend to go with local reputable brands when it comes to tablets (because tablets last long time, local ones are better when it comes to servicing). Though, don't take it as, I never tried dual booting, I have been trying my very best to turn Surface Pro into a dual boot system, hence my comment beforehand, just buy another Android tablet instead if you are trying to get something that doesn't have dual boot function to dual boot.

          Besides, half the ones on the list are for my parents, they are so used to Galaxy (I didn't say Android for a reason, he'd need time to get used to any other Android variants) and iPhone that I can't really move them from those (especially after how Vivotab Note 8 was almost never used by my dad).

  • onlyletters on 12/07/2016 - 23:18
    +3

    Very deceiving name, not even a i7 processor

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