KrisFlyer - 30% Discount on Economy Flight Redemptions

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  tristanium on 04/02/2016 - 16:46

  +4

  Economy class redemptions only!

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    ferrisb on 04/02/2016 - 16:47

    Good point, edited title and description.

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    erd on 04/02/2016 - 16:48

    +3

    yeah, for a second got excited :)

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      ferrisb on 04/02/2016 - 16:50

      +2

      Poirot only flies first class? :)

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        erd on 04/02/2016 - 16:52

        +4

        "but of course mon ami!"

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        tristanium on 04/02/2016 - 16:52

        +5

        ha, I think - like a lot of people who use points - prefers to use points for redemptions in bus/first as you get better value on points

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        Evil-Elmo on 04/02/2016 - 18:05

        @tristanium:
        But… you spend more points to go the same distance - how's that better value? :P

        I think it depends on what you value :)

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        tristanium on 04/02/2016 - 18:33

        +7

        @Evil-Elmo:
        It is true you can get more flights in economy, but in terms of value of the points - premium cabins is where it is at.
        As a very rough estimate (and totally ignoring taxes):
        lets say you want to fly to europe return on Singapore - you're looking at ~$1,800 in economy. This would cost you 34,000 in points on krisflyer
        The same flight in business is coming in at ~$7,500 or 72,250 points.
        Going in economy gets you ~5c/point, business gets you ~10c/point

        There are plenty of great resources around for getting your head around all this if you are interested (Pointhacks, AusBT, AFF) - this is a very simplified example, I know - but shows the difference in 'value' I am talking about

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        Evil-Elmo on 04/02/2016 - 19:22

        +2

        @tristanium:
        I'm well aware of that and hence why I gave you a positive vote at the time of posting (and hence the :P as well!). Not everyone values travelling in premium cabins and some just want to get from A to B the cheapest.

        So my point is that value is subjective… for some people paying more points for a premium service they don't care for is not better value. :)

        Edit: by the way I'm a lurker on AFF and subscribe to pointhacks - agreed they're good resources on this sort of thing.

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        illumination on 05/02/2016 - 00:18

        +6

        @Evil-Elmo:

        Absolutely agree with you Evil-Elmo (and to be honest agree with tristanium too, because I completely understand both sides).

        This is a topic that I've often "debated" about here on Ozbargain.
        Group A: As you said, some people literally see flying as a way to get from point A to B, and want to do it as quickly as possible and cheaply as possible. For these people, they may not really care whether they fly AirAsia or Qantas.

        Group B: For others, in addition to the desire to want to get from point A to B, they enjoy flying, and would like to fly in business class or may even prefer flying from point A to B via C (to check out a new airport, to visit a friend, to check out another city).

        For Group A, there is not much point in trying to convince them that there is "better value" to be had in flying in premium cabins. They were never going to fly the $1800 to fly SQ in economy - they would fly AirAsia to Bangkok via KL and then Norwegian Air to Oslo to get to Europe.. or they would fly to Singapore on Scoot and then buy a multi-city return back to Australia originating in Singapore on Etihad. I feel Group A are also the group of people that are less likely to have flown in a premium cabin before, and probably think, "Why should I pay an extra $4000 to fly in Business Class, when I could save that $4000 and spend it on a tangible item? That's 3x Surface Pros!!" Also a strong possibility that Group A don't even fly often. Not everyone finds travel that fascinating.

        Similarly, Group A are the group of people that are more likely to measure their FF points in terms of GCs (or in terms of the market rate for buying and selling points) as opposed to flights, because economy class flights (depending on route) generally don't give you a much better rate of return than GCs and sometimes give you a lower rate. This gets complicated as well when you're looking at redemption options on a route serviced by many airlines, where you know the cash cost is not too expensive. An example of one would be SYD-MEL - you have Jetstar who offer price beat guarantee, and Tiger who often offer the cheapest price. If you were to redeem points for this, you would be using 6900 Velocity pts + $21.11 tax, or 8000 QFF pts + ~$32 tax.

        For Group B, they're either filthy rich and don't really "research" how to get it for the cheapest price possible because they are too used to it (maybe fly premium cabins too often for work), or they just "pay for the convenience" of not having to research, and maybe they don't even know there are alternate ways to fly premium cabins for so much cheaper via points. The other possibility for Group B is people who enjoy hobby, i.e. it is their hobby. They enjoy it. Much like telling a snowboarder to stop snowboarding to save money, you would have a hard time telling these people to stop flying Business Class to save money. You can't really convince someone to stop doing something they love.

        tldr: To really understand the value of points, you need to decide which camp you're in. Do you want to get from A to B for the cheapest price possible (group A), or do you love flying (group B)? If you are in group A, then FF points are worth ~1.3c/pt at best, or 0.5-0.6c/pt for GCs (depending on program). If you are in group B and enjoy premium cabins, then never redeem your points for economy class because that is terrible value. People in Group B should really visit AFF, PointHacks, AusBT as has been mentioned above to understand how to gain maximum value out of their points.

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        Gaz1 on 05/02/2016 - 16:13

        @tristanium:
        Isn't this the points needed to go one-way (not return)?

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  Thrawn on 04/02/2016 - 16:49

  +3

  KrisFlyer tends to have pretty high taxes. But their coverage of South East Asia is excellent unlike Virgin. You can go to pretty much anywhere in combination with Silk-Air and it costs the same amount of points as to Singapore.

  Also many credit cards like Amex, Westpac, Citibank, etc will convert to KrisFlyer points at the same ratio as Virgin.

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  tristanium on 04/02/2016 - 16:53

  +2

  For those who wish to convert Velocity over, my experience is that this has been instant - no waiting for points to transfer over

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    illumination on 04/02/2016 - 17:02

    Whoa cool. Good to know!

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  gstfree on 04/02/2016 - 19:28

  +3

  Singapore airlines charge too much tax, airfare itself cost less but the tax could potentially kill the deal.

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  llamaesque on 04/02/2016 - 23:19

  +2

  I want to love this but SQ taxes ruin it for me. A return economy redemption to London comes up as 80,000 points (which is great) but $1070 in taxes! You can buy a fare outright for a few hundred dollars more, and you don't have to burn any points.

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  mtfranklin on 05/02/2016 - 10:25

  Not sure if people have any good experiences in redeeming points with Singapore airlines. I was trying to book flights to India from Sydney with points, and this is what the comparison looked like between Velocity and Singapore.

  For 1 adult return economy fares on the same SQ flights.

  The actual cost of these fares are $1186 without any points.

  Velocity:

  100,000 Points + $198 dollars (for surcharge, taxes and some credit card fee of $30 each way)

  That turns out to be ~ 1point =$0.01

  Singapore:

  59500 Points + $837 Dollars on surcharge and taxes

  that's that equivalent of ~$0.006 per point conversion.

  just my 2c!!

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  tunzafun001 on 05/02/2016 - 11:31

  Also worth a mention that as of March Citibank's Signature card are dropping their Kris Flyer points conversion from 1.5:1 to 2:1.

  I have never used FF points for a flight before, but looking at the extra tax costs etc it seems to me gift cards are still the go… unless anyone can point me in the direction of a better way to use my 40 000 Citi Signature points for an international flight from ADL to either the continental US, or Europe (Scotland). In the past I flew Air Asia to Singapore, and then Open Jaw with Etihad (putting me in the Group A section, who would probably splurge an extra $800 - $1000 to become Group B).

  Air Sri Lanka were offering an Economy out, Business class home from Europe for $2200 in 2013 that I was tempted by (vs Etihad $980 return economy).

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  timetoquit on 05/02/2016 - 12:05

  I had 30k kris flyer points, which I transferred out from Citi to Krisflyer but never bothered to send anymore. It must have expired sometime in mid 2015 and now my account no longer exists, any experts here know if I am able to get them back? or not worth the effort?

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    tristanium on 05/02/2016 - 15:17

    your Krisflyer miles do expire (unfortunately) so there isnt really any way to get them 'back'
    as for your account being closed, I am not sure about whether it is worth trying to reopen it, if it has a zero point balance anyway