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Lenovo M53 Tiny PC: Intel Pentium J2900, 500GB HDD, 4GB RAM, WIN8.1 $295 Delivered @ Shopping Express

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Lenovo M53 Tiny PC: Intel Pentium J2900, 500GB HDD, 4GB RAM, WIN8.1 $295 Delivered @ Shopping Express
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tightarse on 17/08/2015 - 14:26 shoppingexpress.com.au (3581 clicks)
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TINYARSE

Here's another killer deal from Shopping Express, and easily the best delivered price in Australia. It's a mini pc, bigger than NUC but still small enough to fit almost anywhere. Pricewatch here.

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Sale is limited to two per customer. Apply coupon TINYARSE at checkout and select your preferred delivery option, which will be deducted from the final price. All stock is shipped from Australia, and should be delivered within 2 business days. All the best :)

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  • jv on 17/08/2015 - 14:28

    How much is it normally?

  • jv on 17/08/2015 - 14:31
    +19

    It seems to come with 4 golf balls…

    http://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/assets/alt_3/10DCA00GAU.jp…

    (I guess that's what the 4GB refers to)

    • dadeadman on 17/08/2015 - 16:28

      I believe it refers to gorilla,s balls. Rare collectibles.

      • skyva on 17/08/2015 - 21:24
        +3

        Gorilla balls aren't rare. Collecting them on the other hand….

    • tg on 17/08/2015 - 16:33

      4GB RAM? I saw 4 GolfBalls in the picture but I did not see male sheep….

    • cheng2008 on 17/08/2015 - 19:37
      +3

      Don't get all the downvotes, this is the best joke JV has come up with in months…

      • daleroy1234 on 17/08/2015 - 20:30

        Probably his only joke

  • doctorwatson on 17/08/2015 - 14:31
    +1

    its 4mb ram not 8mb

  • bctransit on 17/08/2015 - 14:31

    you sure it has 8GB RAM? or 4GB?

    • tightarse on 17/08/2015 - 14:32

      Fixed.

    • jv on 17/08/2015 - 14:33

      or 4GB?

      4 Golf Balls…

      I posted it earlier !!!

      • ESEMCE on 17/08/2015 - 14:44
        +5

        He's not even joking, check this out!
        https://s3.amazonaws.com/isby/lenovopartnernetwork.com/uploa…

        EDIT: missed the link above!
        Just assumed it was JB "humour"

        • [Deactivated] on 17/08/2015 - 16:35
          +1

          JB "humour"

          Jv humour?

        • ESEMCE on 18/08/2015 - 08:39
          +1

          @ms:
          Jeez, it took 2 hours for someone to notice!
          I blame JB for making the GV comment in the first place! :-)

    • ESEMCE on 17/08/2015 - 14:45

      Only one slot for RAM too.

      • na8an on 17/08/2015 - 14:59

        Thats a bummer, what is the expandable RAM capacity?

        • Store RepShoppingExpress @ Shopping Express on 17/08/2015 - 15:28
          +2

          you can replace the memory to 8GB

        • liwenvc on 17/08/2015 - 15:32

          @ShoppingExpress: Hi Rep, is that any desktop deals with dedicate graphic cards and better CPU?

        • Store RepShoppingExpress @ Shopping Express on 17/08/2015 - 15:37
          +1

          @liwenvc:

          Hi liwenvc,

          At the moment, we are more focused on selling pre-made system at the moment and usually they don't come with dedicated graphics card.

          That said - we do help assembling PC/part of the PC, as long as the parts are bought from us, so you may PM me if you are interested.

          Cheers
          SE

      • tg on 17/08/2015 - 16:35

        One slot for RAM is big enough.
        Considering its small size but it still has a slot for a male sheep.

  • 11112007 on 17/08/2015 - 14:44

    Will this processor do okay for HD streaming?

    • Store RepShoppingExpress @ Shopping Express on 17/08/2015 - 14:48

      Hi crazycs,

      This processor is not the fastest processor in the world but it gives you enough grunt to do FULL HD transcoding as per linked

      regards
      SE

    • Mr BoMBAStiG on 17/08/2015 - 16:07

      Most systems can stream/decode HD these days. What you want is enough processing power to have a GUI rich with fanart, seamless scrolling and the ability to run addons, scripts and visualisations to make the time spent not watching a movie enjoyable.

  • Arnor on 17/08/2015 - 14:46

    Tempted, was just looking at i3 NUCs for $370+, then looking at ram and hdd on top.
    Want it for HTPC and steam streaming. This Celeron chip should be powerful enough.
    Is the ram upgradeable ie. a 2nd slot? Does it have a pci slot for gpu?

    EDIT, i see now, 1 slot for ram. No hdmi out

    • Store RepShoppingExpress @ Shopping Express on 17/08/2015 - 14:49
      +1

      this is not celeron cpu - it's a pentium cpu.

      • Arnor on 17/08/2015 - 14:50
        +1

        THanks, i see that now too

        • Danthemanz on 17/08/2015 - 16:43

          It is Atom architecture, get the i3, its like 4 times faster.

    • claud0902 on 17/08/2015 - 15:02
      +2

      Either celeron or pentium, this cpu is based on small bay trail core not the big haswell core. The performance is thus still lacked far behind the entry level haswell celeron or pentium. However you get a nice low power machine which is capable of 1080p video play.

      I would build myself:
      cpu+mobo J1900/N3150: $110/$140 (slower than this j2900 but better value)
      mini itx case plus tiny psu: $110 (around 220mm X 200mm X 75mm footprint, two 2.5inch hdd slots, much smaller than this)
      4gb/2x2gb RAM: $40
      2X2tb HDD: $100X2 (I assume most of us would not need a 500gb HDD)

      The total cost without HDD is $260/$290.

      The windows 8.1 OS makes this a good value however for those who can get their OS for free or less cost might want to go self-built routine.

      • leetec on 17/08/2015 - 15:07

        you still need to add the keyboard, mouse and wifi card.

        • claud0902 on 17/08/2015 - 15:08

          Depends on your use purpose. Server does not go wifi but only gigabyte cat6 connection.

        • Indomietable on 17/08/2015 - 21:48

          @claud0902:
          BIT!

      • Store RepShoppingExpress @ Shopping Express on 17/08/2015 - 15:08

        Lenovo tiny dimension: 179 x 182 x 34.5 mm
        Small that your mentioned mini itx case?

        • claud0902 on 17/08/2015 - 15:10

          Sorry I mis-read the spec. However this is a bit too small thus HDD expension is quite limited.

          There are small cases for sure. But the reason to go with a case around 75mm high is to fit hdd like the 2.5 inch 4tb seagate backup plus portable HDD.

    • fatpizza on 17/08/2015 - 18:03

      Also take into account that some NUCs have an inbuilt IR sensor which is great for universal remotes etc.

  • teasatotalling on 17/08/2015 - 14:53
    +1

    This actually comes with Windows 8.1 Pro, not standard
    1x USB3.0
    4x USB2.0
    http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/desktops/thinkcentre/m-series-t…

    • leetec on 17/08/2015 - 15:04

      not possible, not even standard win8.1, it's the free Bing version of 8.1, OP didn't state that.

      • ESEMCE on 17/08/2015 - 15:10

        What leads you to the conclusion that Lenovo's own spec sheet is incorrect?

        • leetec on 17/08/2015 - 15:14
          +3

          I am installing one just now.

          And no matter what brand, only same part number is same spec, not the model number. that mean your spec sheet is not for this one.

  • d3ft on 17/08/2015 - 14:54
    +2

    If only it had a small SSD. You'd barely be able to tell the difference between this and an i3/i5 in 90% of tasks if it did.

    • malouphix on 17/08/2015 - 15:00

      You could get a cheap SSD for under $80 easy.

    • Store RepShoppingExpress @ Shopping Express on 17/08/2015 - 15:01
      +2

      i think we can supply you one at a good price ;)

      • Arnor on 17/08/2015 - 15:24
        +1

        I think ill keep looking for a deal on an i3 NUC. hint hint shopping express ;)

        • aim54x on 17/08/2015 - 15:45
          +1

          Do it, you won't regret! My i3 NUC (purchased from SE under a previous deal) is now running 8GB and a SSD…..works great.

        • Arnor on 17/08/2015 - 15:47
          +1

          @aim54x: Thanks thats all i needed was another OZB to give me the go ahead i needed, hahaha

        • aim54x on 17/08/2015 - 15:51
          +1

          @Arnor: I was trying to decide between this unit (when it was about $360) and an i3 NUC, I went the NUC and have not looked back. It is my Windows 10 testbed and it has been good. I ran Windows 8.1 Pro for a few weeks and now it is on Windows 10 Pro, so far nothing to complain about, I had a small issue with Sony's Action Cam Movie software crashing last night but other than that nothing to else to report, I am preferring Windows 10 over 8.1.

          I went with an i3 NUC as I felt the i3 would be a fairer base to evaluate W10 on over a J2900, J1900 (BRIX) or a N2820 (NUC).

          What are you planning to use yours for?

        • Arnor on 17/08/2015 - 15:55
          +1

          @aim54x: Just as a HTPC and for steam streaming. Ive got 2 laptops that ahrdly get used i could use, but you know, need new toy.
          Ive already got spare ssd and 2gig ram, so hoping for i3 NUC with 2 ram slots.

        • bctransit on 17/08/2015 - 15:59
          +1

          looking for a <=$299 delivered price for i3 NUC!! :)

        • aim54x on 17/08/2015 - 16:00
          +1

          @Arnor: truth said get this instead, the J2900 will do a good enough job. If you want the i3 NUC then get more RAM….don't paralyse it with 2GB…..get 4GB or 2x4GB or even 2x8GB….keep in mind the iGPU leverages your RAM as well.

        • Arnor on 17/08/2015 - 16:04

          @aim54x: I agree with 2gb isnt enough, what i meant was i want to add my 2gb to the 4 or 8gb i get with the NUC

        • aim54x on 17/08/2015 - 16:11

          @Arnor: RAM is best run in matching pairs, if you run different sized modules you are actually forcing them to run in single channel mode which is not great, but I guess better than having less RAM.

          I have yet to experience instability with mixed pairs, but apprently this is a possibility as well. I have run a mixed RAM system previously (2x2GB + 2x2GB OCZ), and have had several laptops that have had extra RAM added (256mb + 1gb, 4gb hynix + 4gb Corsair, 1gb Hynix + 1gb Kingston). In all cases I never had RAM related issues other than the OCZ pairs….1 out of the 4 sticks has developed an error, so I simply swapped in 2x8GB G.Skill.

  • ProjectZero on 17/08/2015 - 15:12

    Does upgrading the Harddrive void any warranty? 500GB is slightly too small for what I want it for… and that is essentially a PLEX media server

    • Store RepShoppingExpress @ Shopping Express on 17/08/2015 - 15:16
      +2

      Keep the 500GB in case you want to swap back in when doing warranty.

      • BuyNow Think Later on 17/08/2015 - 16:06

        Hi Rep, does this tiny PC take a 2.5" or 3.5" HDD? Does it take a laptop or desktop RAM?

        • Store RepShoppingExpress @ Shopping Express on 17/08/2015 - 16:13

          Hi Joe888,

          It will take:
          2.5" SATA HDD or SSD

          RAM is low voltage laptop RAM. example

  • niagraBzO on 17/08/2015 - 15:20

    Hi Rep, Not great in comps… How can I get HDMI in it? What sort of card is required? I have PCI Express 1 GB NVIDIA will it work?

  • ItsMeAgro on 17/08/2015 - 15:20
    +25

    Lenovo? Pass.

    (And honestly, shame on anyone who knows about the recent pre-loaded malware issues and is still buying Lenovo to save a few dollars. If we as consumers don't put them out of business for crapping on us like this, all PC manufacturers will start doing it.)

    • ProjectZero on 17/08/2015 - 15:45

      Never heard of this, was it possible to get rid of said malware? Interested in it because this is cheaper then building my own HTPC and smaller too…

      • ItsMeAgro on 17/08/2015 - 15:48
        +21

        http://www.cnet.com/au/news/superfish-torments-lenovo-owners…

        https://www.google.com.au/search?q=pre-loaded+malware+lenovo…

        Basically, someone figured out earlier this year that Lenovo had secretly loaded malware onto their laptops. Not only did it mess with your search results, putting fake results to profit it's partners, but the malware left you completely open to hackers (your online bank login, passwords, everything). Lenovo apologised once the story got big enough, but their initial reaction was a brush-off that showed contempt for the intelligence of their customers.

        Then, after all that, in the past few weeks it's been revealed that they've used a BIOS based mechanism, meant for corporations to preload stuff onto company laptops, to re-install bloatware onto their laptops, even after you wipe the thing completely (to remove all the bloatware).

        Hard to argue that they aren't quite happy for you to lose all your savings and private info as a result of buying their products, and only apologised because they got caught.

      • leetec on 17/08/2015 - 15:55

        not really a problem, with major brand like Lenovo, they will fixed it quickly. And this model is fine, the last problem is potential security risk, not malware or bloatware. Only one year ago there is a true malware, which fixed after some months.

        • ProjectZero on 17/08/2015 - 15:58
          +5

          Well, I'm not much of a risk taker so might save my money and wait for something better along the way.

        • ChickenTalon on 17/08/2015 - 16:00
          +6

          Are you kidding! There have been two major issues uncovered so far.

          1. Malware in the BIOS, undeletable from the HD. Reinstalls itself if it detects that it has been removed. This malware installed also regularly phone home to servers in China.

          2. Man In The Middle MITM attacks on their own customers through forged security certificates. Supposedly so they can serve you adds and watch your traffic. And that's just what they admitted to.

          This is no beat up. This is serious.

          Regretting purchasing my carbonX1, even if it's not on the list of impacted machines from the BIOS malware. Makes me wonder what is on it

        • leetec on 17/08/2015 - 16:03
          -1

          @ProjectZero: No brand is 100% risk free, only different is how soon they gonna fix it.

        • aim54x on 17/08/2015 - 16:03
          +2

          @ProjectZero: and if people did their research properly there is a long list of affected machines for the LSE (BIOS) vulnerablity….this unit, like the E73 from the other deal….ARE NOT ON IT

          https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/lse_bios_d…

          There is also a software tool to rectify the superfish issue

          https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/superfish_…

          and apparently they have opted for a "no bloatware" policy from here on in

          http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/09/lenovo-sup…

        • d3ft on 17/08/2015 - 16:09
          +5

          @leetec:This isn't some sort of software bug that inadvertently made it into their software, they CHOSE to put this crap on the machines they sold. They would never have "fixed" it if they hadn't been found out.

        • leetec on 17/08/2015 - 16:13
          -5

          @ChickenTalon:
          for 1st one, business model mostly have this ability, it's a security control for corporate. please read what's malware term, will you category anti-virus software as malware?

          for 2nd one, it's to blame Lenovo didn't look carefully with 3rd party software, not Lenovo's intention to do it.

        • leetec on 17/08/2015 - 16:17
          -1

          @aim54x: In fact most peoples only trust the so called tech editor/reporter and they don't care to find out the ture. example? look at that IT GOD like Steve Job.

        • lplau on 17/08/2015 - 16:22
          +2

          Bios one they didn't choose to put it in, it was a vulnerability.
          Sadly if you have worked in IT companies you'd know that most of the time it is the sales people determining what software is used, and they know nothing about computers at all, they just get "sold" things.

          The developers and system admins just get told "we paid heaps of money for this… USE IT", however the devs are like "WTF, who'd pay for this???"

          Sadly Lenovo got sold Superfish, they prob paid the company some money in the process.

          Good Intentions is never received well, if they work fine then they get praised and forgotten, however if it blows up in your face then you get all the flack and get remembered:
          https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/superfish

          The good thing is Lenovo has opted for no bloatware policy which other companies don't. Eventually another company will be hit with such a scandal.

          Lol, you better stop using your cell phone too:
          http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/the-end-of-privacy…

          Don't tell me you are a iPhone user! Because if you are, then you are also a hypocrite, I remember iPhone 4 with their antennagate issue, they KNEW that the antenna was bad, but they still went ahead and sold it. When people complained its a issue with the design, they turned around saying "The consumer is the issue, they are holding it incorrectly".

        • Maverick-au on 17/08/2015 - 19:59
          -4

          @d3ft:

          This isn't some sort of software bug that inadvertently made it into their software, they CHOSE to put this crap on the machines they sold.

          This makes no sense at all, you're claiming they chose to put a security flaw on the machines? What utter rubbish, these two isolated incidents were both identified soon after release as having the potential to be exploited and Lenovo moves quickly to remedy the issues and as a result no data was lost and no customers suffered any losses.

          They would never have "fixed" it if they hadn't been found out.

          This also makes no sense, if the issues had never been found there would be nothing to fix and as such this would be a total non event!

        • Maverick-au on 17/08/2015 - 20:11
          -5

          @ChickenTalon:

          Are you kidding! There have been two major issues uncovered so far.

          How were they major issues? Oh that's right they had a theoretical flaw that was never used and as such no data was ever lost.

          Malware in the BIOS, undeletable from the HD. Reinstalls itself if it detects that it has been removed. This malware installed also regularly phone home to servers in China.

          Do you understand what you are talking about? Undeletable malware in the BIOS? This makes no sense. What was in the BIOS was the ability to load the Lenovo tools that allow you to do things like update the BIOS, updata drivers and so forth so I fail to see how this is malware when updating drivers and so forth aids to protect the computer. This only affected a small number of machines for a short period of time.

          Man In The Middle MITM attacks on their own customers through forged security certificates. Supposedly so they can serve you adds and watch your traffic. And that's just what they admitted to.

          Superfish provided product recommendations in with the search results, hardly what you are alluding to and they were not watching your traffic despite your claims. This only affected a small number of machines for a short period of time.

          This is no beat up. This is serious.

          It is a beat up. No-one lost any data, no customer lost anything, the issues were resolved quickly. Every manufacturers makes mistakes and Lenovo is no exception and they have learnt from it and are the only manufacturer to make the promise to reduce bloat-ware on their machines.

          Regretting purchasing my carbonX1, even if it's not on the list of impacted machines from the BIOS malware. Makes me wonder what is on it

          I guess you spend your days wondering when the next meteorite is going to come crashing down on your head or if that itchy spot is an advanced cancer.

        • CatmanAU on 17/08/2015 - 20:16
          +2

          Are you posting this BS from inside a Lenovo factory; your English looks like its done through an automated translator. Your pig isn't going to fly, give it up.

          Lenovo is DEAD in the industry, why do you think there are sales on their crap all the time.

          Another thing not mentioned recently in regards to their practices, is that they block the BIOS so it is impossible to upgrade certain parts that are not "APPROVED" meaning overpriced LENOVO upgrades. Try and change a WiFi card or put in a WWAN card and it wont boot unless you got it direct from Lenovo.

        • rkelly on 17/08/2015 - 20:25

          @VVV:

          This vendetta against lenovo is way over the top. If you believe that conspiracy why are you even using a computer at all, after all you would also believe the NSA has back doors into every windows system. Better put on the tin foil hats!

          Lenovo is most certainly not dead in the industry. I work in the industry and can tell you Lenovo is one of the best vendors to deal with, we have increased our volume with lenovo 10 fold over the last 12 months and reduced toshiba, asus etc to next to nothing.

          The fact they did have superfish installed, admitted to it and fixed it shows they listened up and know it was a bad move.

          What are you going to say when it comes out about all the spyware and crap installed on every single other manufacturer's machines. Lenovo is just the first to own up to it.

        • some_one_some_where on 17/08/2015 - 22:08
          +3

          @VVV: Yep, I have never seen anyone defend some deliberate poor practice like this before…has not come up with a logical comment yet. Just uneducated bull manure…..keeps saying no data was lost…gets warranty out of cover time frame..says issues rectified soon after being found..read that as 2-3 years…also not being found but publicly named and shamed into admission…humm has to be factory sponsored..clearly has got best product support and understanding of all…..as they say…If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck!!!!..watch what reply I get here….nothing against SE but the product is questionable….if in doubt….

        • d3ft on 17/08/2015 - 22:17
          -1

          @Maverick-au: I was referring to Superfish bro.

        • Maverick-au on 17/08/2015 - 22:58
          -3

          @VVV:

          Are you posting this BS from inside a Lenovo factory; your English looks like its done through an automated translator. Your pig isn't going to fly, give it up.

          Is that the best you have? LOL.

          Lenovo is DEAD in the industry, why do you think there are sales on their crap all the time.

          Lenovo retail is different from their business/government side and Lenovo are the largest pc manufacturer in the world for a reason and nothing has changed this with sales increasing all the time. So to say that Lenovo is dead is utterly absurd and shows no knowledge at all about what you are talking about.

          Another thing not mentioned recently in regards to their practices, is that they block the BIOS so it is impossible to upgrade certain parts that are not "APPROVED" meaning overpriced LENOVO upgrades. Try and change a WiFi card or put in a WWAN card and it wont boot unless you got it direct from Lenovo.

          More clueless comments. Did you know that HP have a whitelist of products that are approved? Of course not as you have a vendetta against Lenovo so you will ignore that simple fact that HP have been doing this for years! Here is one example - http://donovan6000.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/insyde-bios-moddi…

          And the reason why? Regulatory compliance require the exact combination of WWAN card, antennas and so forth to be approved so they submit the various combinations for approval. This is all related to RF emissions for portable devices and this is why all the vendors certify and support certain combinations of cards, antennas etc.

          And just like HP you can also get modified BIOS images or modify the cards ID to be accepted. Don't blame Lenovo for what is a reglatory requirement.

        • CatmanAU on 18/08/2015 - 06:31
          -1

          @Maverick-au:

          So you are saying other companies such as Dell are breaking the law by not doing this BIOS locking?

          Other companies do, well then of course Lenovo can do it too, websites loades malware on PC's, so Lenovo should be allowed to do it too.

          You must be an employee of Lenovo, if you are not, guess you are just another pathetic internet company fanboy. How sad if that is the case.

    • Maverick-au on 17/08/2015 - 18:36
      -1

      (And honestly, shame on anyone who knows about the recent pre-loaded malware issues and is still buying Lenovo to save a few dollars. If we as consumers don't put them out of business for crapping on us like this, all PC manufacturers will start doing it.)

      Blah blah blah. Keep up your pathetic vendetta over something that is a total non event. No-one lost any data or anything of value and this only affected a small percentage of computers for a short period of time and does not affect this product.

      To say that you want to put Lenovo out of business when they are the number one PC brand in the world shows how deluded you are, Lenovo didn't crap on anyone, on a limited number of computers they had an advertising product and on another limited number of computers they had it set to auto reload the Lenovo utilities. Both of these caused no data loss or anything else to occur and were resolved quickly by Lenovo.

      All manufacturers have made mistakes and all have learnt from it and moved on.

      The biggest risk to security is behind the keyboard, not some theoretical weakness like these.

      • ItsMeAgro on 17/08/2015 - 22:19
        +4

        WTF, did this thread get brigaded by Lenovo PR people? How can anyone take their side on this issue?

        They deliberately put secret malware onto their PCs to forge search results. Even if that hadn't resulted in completely opening those machines to hackers, that's not something anyone should tolerate in any PC manufacturer, ever.

        This is a really important message we need to be sending to PC manufacturers, both Lenovo and their competitors are watching the market react to this.

        Anyone who buys Lenovo ever again - especially to save a few measly dollars - is screwing things up for themselves and everybody else. There are tons of other PC manufacturers who haven't done this (or at least, haven't been caught). Until they have, buy them instead.

        Is it really so hard?

        • Maverick-au on 17/08/2015 - 22:45
          -1

          WTF, did this thread get brigaded by Lenovo PR people? How can anyone take their side on this issue?

          I'm not a Lenovo PR person, just like I'm not a Lenovo hater like yourself.

          They deliberately put secret malware onto their PCs to forge search results.

          Actually they didn't put MALWARE on to a limited number of computers, you might want to look at what MALWARE is before you make that absurd uneducated claim.

          Even if that hadn't resulted in completely opening those machines to hackers, that's not something anyone should tolerate in any PC manufacturer, ever.

          Lenovo didn't install malware, Superfish is adware. No machine was compromised because of the inclusion of Superfish on a limited range of their hardware for a limited time.

          Anyone who buys Lenovo ever again - especially to save a few measly dollars - is screwing things up for themselves and everybody else. >There are tons of other PC manufacturers who haven't done this (or at least, haven't been caught). Until they have, buy them instead.

          Lenovo is the largest PC manufacturer in the world and that is not going to change over this, every manufacturer loads additional software on their operating systems and plenty of these are from third parties.

          I guess you have neglected to mention that not a single security product picked up Superfish as being a risk until after this hit the media so I guess your recommendation to everyone is that they do not buy a single product from the likes of Symantec, McAfee, Kaspersky etc.

          Is it really so hard?

          It is for people that have a vendetta against companies for no good reason, given your so called standards would preclude dealing with nearly every company on the planet who exactly do you use for computer hardware, cars, power, gas and so forth?

        • leetec on 18/08/2015 - 12:24

          @Maverick-au: For your own safety you better just ignore some peoples, they will do something unexpected and serious.

  • perkinma on 17/08/2015 - 15:22

    How would something like this go as a pfsense / home gateway / firewall / dhcp / snort / squid / etc related server?

  • macfanboy on 17/08/2015 - 15:22

    Is this ok to play minecraft?
    Need a new one for the kids and thats all they play…

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