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Dell Outlet Optiplex 9020 All-in-One -As new- i7 4770s, 8GB DDR3, 128GB SSD, Radeon 8750M $889

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Update — 30 units remain.

Note: VESA stand not included.
This AIO can be mounted on a VESA compatible monitor stand. Instructions are here.

System weight: 16.8 KG.

Click here instructions pertaining to the removal of Memory, Optical Drive, Converter Board, Side Control Panel and Hard Drive

The specs are as follows

Core i7 4770s Quad core, 3.10GHz Turbo, 8MB, w/ HD Graphics 4600)

8GB (2x4GB) 1600MHz DDR3L
128GB Solid Drive
Windows(R) 7 Home Premium 64 bit (English)
8X Max Slimline DVD+/-RW

Up to 90 % efficient PSU
23" Full HD non touch LCD monitor with webcam
AMD Radeon Graphics 8750M 2GB
Dell MS111 USB Optical Mouse
No Keyboard

1 year Warranty

$889 free delivery.

Dell AIO's are generally very expensive, costing up to $3000 for an i7 configuration. This appears to be a model that is superseded by the Dell Optiplex 9030.

This deal may not be for everyone, I do not expect a person capable of building their own tower to find this super exciting (I can build one myself, but realize this is a computer + monitor so even a self built tower and LCD combo will likely be costlier) — however for the 'mainstream' computer user who is looking for a niche AIO form factor, (like an Apple AIO competitor) this is quite possibly the fastest and well equipped AIO you can buy for less than $900 dollars.

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  • eug on 21/01/2015 - 16:36
    +1

    What does "No Integrated Stand option" mean?

    • CarbonTwelve on 21/01/2015 - 16:40

      Yeah, I noticed that too. Seems like it doesn't come with a stand, which would definitely be an issue…

    • scrimshaw on 21/01/2015 - 16:44

      Will have to contact Dell and ask what the deal is.

      • tonyjzx on 21/01/2015 - 16:53

        it means they were supposed to be mounted on a fixed arm

        you need to buy a stand

    • CarbonTwelve on 21/01/2015 - 16:40
      +2

      I believe 'As New' means it was cancelled before it was delivered, but after being configured.

    • scrimshaw on 21/01/2015 - 16:41
      +2

      As new means the computer was never used. It could have left the warehouse, but possibly rejected when the customer doesn't want it or if the computer wasn't configured the right way.

    • cyssero on 21/01/2015 - 16:55
      +3

      With 45~ cancelled it would be a corporate order which was cancelled (OptiPlex are business oriented). Any number of reasons for why this would be the case.

      I've seen the quality of some refurbished laptops (where they have been used) and they're still fine. No more blemishes than you'd expect to get yourself in a week or so of ownership.

  • Make it so on 21/01/2015 - 16:38
    +1

    That's a very nice deal. Top-end CPU, 8GB of RAM and SSD. Nice find.

  • ozdavo on 21/01/2015 - 16:40
    +2

    Listed as OptiPlex 9020
    Review: http://au.pcmag.com/dell-optiplex-9020-aio/707/review/dell-o…

    edit: This ebay listing suggests the ram can be upgraded and the GPU may be 2GB AMD RADEON 8750M
    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DELL-OPTIPLEX-9020-AIO-i7-4770S-R…

  • MaximumEffort777 on 21/01/2015 - 16:55

    Being someone who has NFI about PC's, would I be able to get someone to build me a PC as good as this for a comparable price? I'm looking to go from a 4y/o laptop to a PC and under $1000 is ideal. Would this be an ok setup for gaming, although not much of a PC gamer.

    Sorry for the noob questions.

    • scrimshaw on 21/01/2015 - 16:57
      +2

      Do you actually want a laptop, desktop or AIO. They belong in different price brackets.

      • MaximumEffort777 on 21/01/2015 - 16:59
        +2

        I have no clue what an AIO is but I want to move across to a desktop from a laptop.

        • ozdavo on 21/01/2015 - 17:04
          +2

          All In One, ie the computer is built into the screen. These are usually built with laptop components due the space & cooling constraints, but look much sleeker on a desk.

        • scrimshaw on 21/01/2015 - 17:04
          +2

          If you want it custom built, there is a multitude of threads you could look @ Whirlpool. Seek advice there.

          As Ozdavo explains it— yes, AIO is a computer + monitor in a single unit. They may use laptop grade components in order to achieve a smaller footprint and less heat.

        • Kawaii69 on 21/01/2015 - 17:04
          +2

          AIO-all in one, so the monitor and everything is joined into one system nothing is separate

        • Paul Atreides on 21/01/2015 - 17:05

          what do you use your computer for?

        • MaximumEffort777 on 21/01/2015 - 17:06

          Thanks lads, yeah I have checked out WP, Reddit and a couple of other sites and I'm still confused as hell on where to start. Thanks for the replies.

        • MaximumEffort777 on 21/01/2015 - 17:08

          @madmouse58: All the basic stuff really, YT and BT mainly but wouldn't mind getting into a bit of gaming on the PC. Our last 2 laptops have been HP's and I've had nothing but problems.

        • scrimshaw on 21/01/2015 - 17:12
          +1

          Just make a thread on REddit, Build A PC subreddit is good for getting build advice.

          Read the Beginners guide
          http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/wiki/beginnersguide

          or if you want just plagiarize a build from the Wiki, they are all excellent builds created and maintained by a group of people.

        • Daabido on 21/01/2015 - 17:15

          @ozdavo:

          Think iMac, except its ugly sister. Well, maybe not ugly, just a little homelier and a big more chunky.

        • mrmarkau67 on 21/01/2015 - 19:37
          +2

          @Daabido:

          Its actually not that ugly. Think study rather than loungeroom. It takes the "designers" at HP to make a truly ugly all in one.

          Being an Optiplex it's probably easier to upgrade RAM and SSD than an iMac.

        • mrmarkau67 on 21/01/2015 - 19:38

          If you already have a laptop, don't buy this. Its basically a laptop on a stick.

        • MaximumEffort777 on 21/01/2015 - 19:47
          +1

          @mrmarkau67: The laptop is basically on it's last legs, constant thermal shutdowns and a HDD that's about to have an imminent failure. I'm more looking for a complete replacement but if I can get something built for around the same price I'm happy to go that way also.

        • eug on 21/01/2015 - 19:56

          @mrmarkau67: A laptop with an i7-4770S desktop processor?

        • [Deactivated] on 21/01/2015 - 23:09

          @eug: 4770S is a low-power CPU intended for laptops, but it's not that far from a Desktop i7 either. Not as crippled as most low-power i7s.

          @Jonesy77: Getting an AIO will probably end up having the same fate as a laptop with Thermal issues especially as it ages (and the Thermal Interface Material becomes hard), and AIOs are just as painful as laptops to take apart to clean the dust and reapply thermal paste.
          Desktop PCs are very easy to do. Even if you don't ever intend to do this yourself, it would be a lot cheaper to get someone else to. Also if you are out of warranty and any particular part (i.e. the HDD) fails it will be next to impossible to find a replacement part for an AIO whereas with proper Desktops (not Small Form Factor Dell, HP, etc.) it is all off the shelf components.

        • eug on 21/01/2015 - 23:37
          +1

          @The Land of Smeg:

          4770S is a low-power CPU intended for laptops

          Intel disagrees with you.

          So does Anandtech, Tom's Hardware, and Wikipedia.

          The i7-4770S is a 100% desktop processor that's slightly underclocked to use less power.
          (or produce less heat in an AIO…)

        • MaximumEffort777 on 21/01/2015 - 23:57

          @The Land of Smeg: Cheers Smeg, I'll go the custom build (not by me) in that case. I want something that can handle a mixture of everything really and still be upgradeable over time.

          Time to start wrapping my head around some of these custom build threads and sites :)

        • [Deactivated] on 22/01/2015 - 00:36
          +1

          @eug: Sorry, my mistake. mainly Undervolted too.

    • Kawaii69 on 21/01/2015 - 17:01
      -2

      Yeah you could, a decent gaming build would total about 1.1k or so

    • [Deactivated] on 21/01/2015 - 17:08
      -1

      Don't get this. It is more similar to a Laptop then a Desktop, and Laptop parts are not powerful as Desktop counterparts, particularly the graphics card. You know the graphics are bad when they don't even specify which graphics chip it uses. You could easily get a decent Desktop for this money in a standard case that can be upgraded/repaired as needed, whereas an AIO will lock you in to the warranty you get on it.

      • Diji1 on 21/01/2015 - 17:52
        +1

        LEL.

        It isn't aimed at home desktop users it's aimed at "enterprise" desktop users. Office workers. In offices that already have monitor stands and a need for no clutter etc.

        This does not mean it's unsuitable for a home desktop choice as far as specifications however it is not a system i would recommend for someone who wants a gaming computer if the other option is to build it yourself.

        If you only see yourself using your computer for browsing, email, video calling and other tasks that do not involve heavy 3D like gaming (or the need for a powerful gpu … but if you know you want that you aren't going to even consider this right) - this is a good pc for you in my estimation.

        You might want to note the low storage capacity - this is a real weakness of this system - however I'm assuming you can add and external usb hdd to this if you wish (I didn't check!)

        • [Deactivated] on 21/01/2015 - 18:36

          Hi mate, you can take your neg back, you can see that my reply was a child comment to parent comment asking about it specifically for gaming.

        • Diji1 on 21/01/2015 - 18:47

          @The Land of Smeg: I didn't neg you …

    • Make it so on 21/01/2015 - 17:13
      +1

      You can build a pc for a comparable price, but you won't get much support if you build it as parts. Also, an All-In-One has non-functional benefits: it looks nice, and takes up less space. And it "just works", whereas when you build a pc you can run into unexpected surprises about incompatibility of parts (if you get unlucky - I remember building a pc with a motherboard documented to supports all core2 duo CPU's except the one I bought. Still worked fine, luckily).
      If you know nothing about PC's, this is a good deal. It will perform very well.

      • [Deactivated] on 21/01/2015 - 18:40
        +1

        It will not perform very well for gaming, which @Jonesy77 specifically asked about.

        Also, Dell, HP, etc. bundle a bunch of "trials" and other bloat (useless add-ons) with their computers, so if you are looking for a clean experience you are not much better off than building it yourself or going to a local computer shop.

  • tonyjzx on 21/01/2015 - 16:56
    -2

    2GB AMD RADEON 8750M

    that sounds reasonable

    • scrimshaw on 21/01/2015 - 16:58

      Did you call Dell? Where did you get this info??

      • cruelsinger on 21/01/2015 - 17:00

        From the above mentioned ebay link. Honestly the 8750m is pretty horrible. It's fairly old and is equivalent to a 740m; a 2 generation old mid range laptop gpu.

    • [Deactivated] on 21/01/2015 - 17:11
      +3

      The M on the end means 'Mobile', which really means 'Crippled low-power piece of shit that is practically useless for anything more then rendering Solitaire'

      • eug on 21/01/2015 - 17:39
        +5

        Fortunately not everyone plays games. Gamers don't buy AIOs either. :)

        • [Deactivated] on 21/01/2015 - 18:46
          +2

          Correct, however this graphics chip is actually a Radeon 8750M according to another comment, it is so bad that the Intel HD Graphics 4600 which is built into the very same i7 4770S which this AIO has, is actually 2.5x more powerful (according to Futuremark benchmarks) than the Radeon. I honestly see no point in including this chip at all. They must have already engineered the AIO to have support for a Radeon chip when they designed it, and it was too hard for them to remove it.

        • eug on 21/01/2015 - 19:02

          @The Land of Smeg: How does that affect people who don't play games?

          You do also get 2GB of dedicated video memory with the Radeon, for GPU-accelerated web browsing. That frees up your system RAM.

        • [Deactivated] on 21/01/2015 - 19:13

          @eug: GPU acceleration is more GPU intensive than VRAM but still a good point to make. It does save some CPU cycles but still I don't think that an i7/HD Graphics with 8GB RAM would exactly be struggling with GPU Acceleration.

  • ProjectZero on 21/01/2015 - 17:02
    +2

    Actually are you able to take this apart and stick your own GPU in? Like upgrade it to a GTX 970 and you're good to go.

    -EDIT-

    Just read it abit more… starting to think this isn't a desktop tower… -_-

    • systmworks on 21/01/2015 - 17:05
      +3

      Was it the "All-in-One" with 23" monitor that did it ?

    • ozdavo on 21/01/2015 - 17:06

      http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDk1WDYyNA==/z/ZD0AAOSwZkJUT6hC/$_12.JPG
      All in one, it uses a mobile GPU, so no a GTX 970 will not fit

  • terrywang on 21/01/2015 - 17:06
    -2

    I'd rather buy 2nd hand from greysonline for Optiplex ;-D

  • 1bug on 21/01/2015 - 17:22
    +1

    Here's the official Product Description for the 9020 from the Dell website (no longer sold online)…

    http://www.dell.com/au/business/p/optiplex-9020-aio/pd

    Click on Tech Specs tab for standard and optional specs.

  • [Deactivated] on 21/01/2015 - 18:06

    23" is too small.

    • lostn on 21/01/2015 - 22:26

      Depends who you ask.

    • [Deactivated] on 21/01/2015 - 23:46

      That's what she said.

  • cruelsinger on 21/01/2015 - 18:07
    -2

    Looks like not a single one has sold yet.

    • scrimshaw on 21/01/2015 - 18:10
      +3

      The Outlet site is not updated live. You could be looking at old information.

  • fredblogs on 21/01/2015 - 19:47

    easy to upgrade the SSD?

  • highnfar on 21/01/2015 - 22:33
    +1

    Bought 6 units for company last year. Cost extra to buy wifi card, keyboard, win8 and roughly 1-1.5 hours per unit. Good for general office use.

  • lostn on 22/01/2015 - 00:46

    Wgat type of panel does it use?

    • scrimshaw on 22/01/2015 - 11:40

      Dell sources their panels from Korean suppliers (could be LG). The display is a regular LED backlit LCD with anti glare coating.

      23" WLED, 1920x1080 full HD resolution with anti-glare coating

      source — amazon usa.

      • lostn on 22/01/2015 - 14:09

        Yes but is it a TN, VA, or IPS panel?

  • longislandicetea on 22/01/2015 - 11:18

    The no integrated stand is really a deal breaker. Anyone able to find any stands online for this ?

  • XeSSiV on 22/01/2015 - 11:57
    +3

    New machine on the list guys
    http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/product…
    i7 desktop ultrasmall form 16gig with wifi [no screen] $779 - awesome!
    Got 6 for work :)

  • Leon212012 on 22/01/2015 - 17:00

    The stand for $299 inc GST no keyboard. so if you buy this one you will need the keyboard, a stand the cost will be up to over $1100. thats so tricky for untouched AIO

    • TilacVIP on 22/01/2015 - 17:11

      So a normal Logitech or MS wireless keyboard will not work?

      It has to be DELL ?????

      • eug on 22/01/2015 - 17:21

        Any keyboard will work.
        Any VESA stand will work too, it just won't look as nice as the Dell one. You could just get a desk-clamp-style stand which would free up desk space instead.

        • TilacVIP on 22/01/2015 - 17:34

          ok, cheers, I thought that would be quite unusual but the way Leon worded it, sounded like it had to be a dedicated DELL model.

          Quite understand a generic stand won;t look as nice as a DELL stand, but keyboards and mice, there are many attractive makes and models that would look great along side this AIO.

        • scrimshaw on 22/01/2015 - 17:57

          You can buy any VESA 100mmm stand. The standard in use is 100mm (this refers to how far apart the screw holes are).
          http://www.mwave.com.au/monitors-tvs/display-mountings

          Make sure the stands are rated for monitors larger than 23" (24" preferable). Also, because this is an AIO, it is heavier than a regular computer monitor, this system is 16.8 kilograms.

      • Leon212012 on 22/01/2015 - 17:34

        They will have mouse inc but no keyboard. you can used mouse or keyboard from another brand.

  • Phoebus on 22/01/2015 - 17:03

    Does it have HDMI or DP out?

    • scrimshaw on 22/01/2015 - 17:54

      I/O Ports

      4 External USB 3.0 ports (2 side, 2 rear)
      4 External USB 2.0 ports;
      1 RJ-45;
      1 VGA;
      1 HDMI;
      2 PS/2;
      1 Line-in (stereo/microphone),
      2 Line-out (1 side for headphone/1 rear for speaker)

  • lostn on 24/01/2015 - 18:32

    Did anyone actually buy one of these and receive it?

    Did you get the stand?

    • TilacVIP on 26/01/2015 - 13:08

      they don't come with a stand as per their ad page.

      Guess there is no harm in asking for them to throw one in.

      still 30 left. One would think if it was such a bargain they would have been sold by now.

  • suicine94 on 04/02/2015 - 13:18

    what? it doesn't have a keyboard AND no touch screen? how do I use it?

    • eug on 04/02/2015 - 13:25

      By plugging in a keyboard and mouse?

  • suicine94 on 04/02/2015 - 15:39

    when you buy this you only get the mouse. they dont give keyboard. it's like buying a TV with no remote. or a PS4 with no controllers

  • lostn on 06/02/2015 - 22:08

    I bought one. I'm a bit concerned. There is no Windows disc included, and there is no factory restore partition on the Liteon SSD either! If I need to reinstall Windows how would I do that?

      • lostn on 06/02/2015 - 23:09

        Note quite the same. This isn't the OEM installation that comes with the Dell. Also, it's Win 8.1 and not 7. I wouldn't have a key for it.

        • eug on 06/02/2015 - 23:26

          Oh yes, it comes with Win 7. With Win 8's downgrade rights you can use any Win 7 OEM or retail key and media. Of course the dumb parts are that you have to:

          a) Find a key yourself (any key from any win7 laptop or retail media of the same type (Pro/Home) will be accepted)
          b) Find the ISO if you don't have the media (the digitalriver ISO download links might disappear soon)
          c) From Win7, find your original win8 key that's baked into the BIOS (RWEverything)
          d) Call the activation hotline when activating Win7 as online activation won't work

          Or you could just upgrade to Win8 or Win10. :)

        • scrimshaw on 07/02/2015 - 17:48

          You can use a HDD cloning software and clone your ssd to a portable Usb drive. That Usb drive will essentially be your backup partition.

          And since Windows 10 is coming anyway which you get for free, you will inevitably have to download the operating system and make a install disc from that.

        • lostn on 08/02/2015 - 23:30

          @scrimshaw: I just find it ridiculous that they don't include it, either the disc or a partition. Are they even allowed to do that? Since the price you paid includes the operating system, you have to have a way to reinstall it, without playing around with 3rd party software.

          Windows 10 is not necessarily a fix to all things wrong with Win 8. I still see the metro interface, which means no thanks.

        • eug on 08/02/2015 - 23:44

          @lostn:

          I just find it ridiculous that they don't include it, either the disc or a partition. Are they even allowed to do that?

          Well.. the listing didn't say it came with a disc or recovery partition, so I suppose they don't actually have to provide it?

          Since the price you paid includes the operating system, you have to have a way to reinstall it, without playing around with 3rd party software.

          You can create a windows 7 system image right now with the built-in backup tool.

          Windows 10 is not necessarily a fix to all things wrong with Win 8. I still see the metro interface, which means no thanks.

          I'm surprised people are so resistant to a small change. Win 10's Start button just looks like a graphical version of Win7.

          You can install a free app like Classic Shell to get the 1995-era UI back though.

        • lostn on 10/02/2015 - 12:26

          @eug:

          Well.. the listing didn't say it came with a disc or recovery partition, so I suppose they don't actually have to provide it?

          Neither did the laptop or desktop I bought from them. But they still came with the recovery partition. Is it unreasonable to assume an AIO would also come with one, since their desktops and laptops do that already?

          You can create a windows 7 system image right now with the built-in backup tool.

          Is this built into Win 7 or is it Dell specific?

          I'm surprised people are so resistant to a small change. Win 10's Start button just looks like a graphical version of Win7.

          I don't like change for the sake of change. If it works fine, I don't want them to mess with it. Win 8 was an exercise in adopting a universal OS look for all Windows powered devices, including PC. From the way the interface functions (more suited to touch screen) it's pretty obvious the changes made were not done to improve the PC Windows experience. They had their tablets and smartphones in mind first.

          You can install a free app like Classic Shell to get the 1995-era UI back though.

          That's going a bit too far back.

        • eug on 10/02/2015 - 12:39

          @lostn:

          Neither did the laptop or desktop I bought from them. But they still came with the recovery partition. Is it unreasonable to assume an AIO would also come with one, since their desktops and laptops do that already?

          Not unreasonable. But it's still an assumption I guess.

          Is this built into Win 7 or is it Dell specific?

          It's built in to Windows 7 and 8.
          http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4241/how-to-create-a-system-i…

          From the way the interface functions (more suited to touch screen) it's pretty obvious the changes made were not done to improve the PC Windows experience. They had their tablets and smartphones in mind first.

          I think they're just thinking ahead. The future definitely involves touch, and Win 7's UI definitely isn't touch-optimised. Win 8's start screen is really just a full-screen start menu, which is understandably jarring for some. Win 10 dials it back a lot so it looks just like Win 7's start menu, but with extra bits on the right of it. On a full-touch tablet device, it can switch to a win8-style start menu.

          That's going a bit too far back.

          It actually just brings back the Windows 7 start menu, which is a 1995-era design.

          http://www.classicshell.net/

  • lostn on 11/02/2015 - 01:41

    Not unreasonable. But it's still an assumption I guess.

    Every other laptop manufacturer includes a factory partition. It's not just reasonable to assume one is included, it's more or less expected.

    I think they're just thinking ahead. The future definitely involves touch

    My screen isn't within arms reach, nor is it touch capable. What about people who plug into their TVs?

    and Win 7's UI definitely isn't touch-optimised.

    It's really easy. Make a touch optimized OS for touch screens, make a non touch OS for conventional non-touch devices. Having both use the same interface doesn't help anything.

    Win 8's start screen is really just a full-screen start menu

    It doesn't look anything like it. I don't like how some tiles are small and some are big. I would rather a menu, with each item taking up one line with a small icon. That will fit a lot more things on the screen. I don't find Win 8 intuitive at all.

    Win 10 dials it back a lot so it looks just like Win 7's start menu, but with extra bits on the right of it.

    I actually prefer the way Win XP's start menu looks over Win 7's. But I can live with Win 7's. I just hope you can turn off the metro tiles on the right. I like things to be simple and clutter free.

    • eug on 11/02/2015 - 02:08

      It's not just reasonable to assume one is included, it's more or less expected.

      Yes, but unless they specifically say it comes with it, it's still an assumption isn't it?

      My screen isn't within arms reach, nor is it touch capable.

      Your mouse can be used to click on the same screen elements as you would tap. But your fingers will find it more difficult to tap on Win 7's screen elements. So making everything bigger would cater to both touch and mouse/trackpad users.

      I don't like how some tiles are small and some are big. I would rather a menu

      UI, like anything design-related, is personal preference. You don't like it and that's fine, but MS isn't
      making an OS only for you to use.

      I don't love Win 8's UI, but I don't mind it. I too prefer Win 7's start menu, but when I'm on my touchscreen laptop, I can see why MS went with that design with Win 8.

      Being a heavy keyboard user though, I can see why people would prefer Win 7's UI. That said, they both work very similarly for me as I always just hit the Windows button on the keyboard and start typing the name of the app I'm looking for then hitting. It works the same way in both Win 7 and 8, and is much faster than having to hunt and peck through either Start menu design.

      After using Win 10 for a while, I do think it's the best of both worlds. Have you actually tried it? The start menu is a lot like Win 7, with the addition of redesigned Win 8 elements on the right of it. Being so much more similar now, IMHO anyone who still says the change is too large and they cannot accept it might be a tad closed-minded.

  • lostn on 12/02/2015 - 03:54

    Yes, but unless they specifically say it comes with it, it's still an assumption isn't it?

    I don't think we're getting anywhere with this, so I'll let it go.

    Your mouse can be used to click on the same screen elements as you would tap. But your fingers will find it more difficult to tap on Win 7's screen elements. So making everything bigger would cater to both touch and mouse/trackpad users.

    I can use a mouse to simulate a tap, but I would prefer an interface that puts more things on the screen since I'm not using my fingers.

    I don't understand why they insist upon a universal interface for all devices. Apple does not make their iPhones and iPads use the same OS as their Macbooks, because Apple understands that one interface is better for one device than it is for the other. Apple is a company that gets it. I can't see any good motive for Microsoft wanting every desktop PC to use the same interface and look as their mobile devices. Is it because they're afraid that Windows Phone users migrating to the PC won't understand classic windows so they have to give it the same mobile OS so they can transition easier? If so, I think they're dumb.

    UI, like anything design-related, is personal preference. You don't like it and that's fine, but MS isn't
    making an OS only for you to use.

    Well that's their loss. I'm not the only one who dislikes Windows 8. And there's a good reason they're backtracking with Win 10. You can be a Win 8 apologist all you want, the market decides in the end whether their decisions were good or not. True to form, they've alternated between good Windows releases and poorly received ones.

    I don't love Win 8's UI, but I don't mind it. I too prefer Win 7's start menu, but when I'm on my touchscreen laptop, I can see why MS went with that design with Win 8.

    I already addressed this. You're willing to accept something you don't love. I want to love more things than you do. You like the new interface for your touch screens, so you don't mind getting the same interface for your non touch screens. I find it unnecessary, you're willing to compromise.

    After using Win 10 for a while, I do think it's the best of both worlds. Have you actually tried it?

    I have not, because it hasn't released. I never use unfinished betas. I don't doubt it will be better than 8, but I still have no complaints about 7.

    Being so much more similar now, IMHO anyone who still says the change is too large and they cannot accept it might be a tad closed-minded.

    If that's the case, this is a tacit admission by Microsoft that they screwed up on Windows 8.

    I really hope it's highly customizable. I don't like the borderless windows, or the amount of colour they've added to the interface. If they can make it look exactly like 7, and let you remove the Win8 elements, I'll live with it.

    • eug on 12/02/2015 - 09:47

      If they can make it look exactly like 7, and let you remove the Win8 elements, I'll live with it.

      No point for any further discussion. It's very clear that you are unwilling to accept any change. You're perfectly entitled to that view, just keep in mind that things won't stay the same as technology marches on.

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