An unfortunate event, HELP!

Hi fellow OzBargainers :

This will be a painful and puzzling post on my close relative’s story, I am not sure how to help them to resolve this exactly. If there is anyone willing to provide some directions on where to next, it will be tremendous.

It involves transaction on Paypal and teaching the young one a lesson. Please move this thread to the appropriate category as you see fit Moderator.

I got called last night by my uncle, he needs me to help him with a serious issue. My aunt’s credit card got charged $5000 in total this month in June with the same company www.steampowered.com . Sometimes with daily transactions accumulating to $600. This makes my collection of untouched steam sale bargain pale in comparison.

My uncle and aunt are aware that their son plays games a lot on steam. They also recharge $100 monthly via Paypal for him as his “pocket money”. My aunt described that each time their son set’s up the computer, and she just puts into the password while her son is not “looking”. Can there be possibility to process Paypal purchases without password? Or can a browser save paypal password or use a keylogger?

She has since took her son’s laptop away. I logged into her Paypal account with her permission and saw the transaction records are always before and after school hours, with weekend usage. In one instance, $300 was transferred in 3 minutes! (3 X $100 transactions)

I have my doubts in how their son could use so much money in one month on steam. However, their son did admit that he did spend money on games. My young cousin is 14 Y.O, highly introverted and attached to computer games. The transaction record did fit his days away from school aswell.

I intend to go and look at my cousin’s computer in the next two days.

My speculations are:

  1. My cousin is a fool and took things for granted. He did not realise how much real money it was costing my uncle and aunty (whom are both not well off by any means)
  2. Someone got hold of the account and made a lot of purchases on steam. I found it hard to believe to spend that much on games or in game contents in a month. Although such is not likely as the transaction patterns fits my cousin’s life routine.
  3. Could there possibility be a third explanation? Error on transaction?

I can only assist my uncle and aunt in giving them the following advice:

  1. Change Paypal password, remove the credit card linked and cancel the current credit card.
  2. Have a long and educational talk with their son, he needs to learn from his mistakes and be dealt with consequences. Can there be a reason consequence?
  3. Is there anything that be done externally to get some money back, salvage the situation? Although I am aware that the chances are slim, and my uncle may have just have to cut the loses.

I know this is not the best story to read through, but my family and their family are in much pain and distress.
If there are fellow Ozbargainer’s out there who has been in a similar situation or knows how to resolve this, I will thank you in advance!



[EDIT] Day 2
First of all, thanks to all OZB's that has spend their half an hour reading this thread, and more to those who has responded thoughtfully.

I am going to my aunt's place this afternoon.

  • If my cousin did spend all this amount of money, then a reasonable consequence shall be placed.

    • Taking his privileges away.
    • Followed by making him accountable for his actions, he has to work out a away to remunerate for his mistake.
    • Any other suggestions would be good.

  • Either way, I will email steam/paypal in the follow days to explain and try to salvage the situation.

    • The transactions were not authorised and was conducted by a minor.
    • The cardholder's paypal password was compromised by a family member.(or should I cut out the family member bit?)
    • Can anyone who was successful in their refund provide me a template of what they wrote (or private message if preferred).

I am humbled by the warm support from this community.



<B>[EDIT 2] Day 3</B>

I am grateful for everyone's concern on the outcome of this matter
It has been a long night of discussion with my relatives.

My aunt decided to let me do the job of investigation on his computer and double check the transactions with their son to assess what is going on exactly.

Accordingly, I will explain the effects of his actions to my cousin one on one.
My aunt and uncle will then will deal with the consequences accordingly later.

My findings were:

  1. After logging into my cousin's steam account, I did not find the box "Save my payment information so checkout is easy next time" as suggested by "cheapchap" to be present. However my cousin showed me that could process the payment without entering Paypal password. (I speculate that it was ticked earlier by default, which is present on my steam)
    I found the transaction records matched up to the credit card history. All spending were processed through his account.

  2. My cousin literally spent $5000 in a month starting from 31st of May. As hard as it is for me to believe, but some of the in-game purchase from Team-fortress 2 was shocking. Items and customisations, one particular TF2 item cost $350. There were also hundreds of "cards" that he purchased, although only $0.23 each, there were hundreds of them in transaction.

  3. Another revelation which was speculated by "Tyrx" is that he has "gifted" games and items to "friends". Quite a few games and items were given away to his school friends, followed by TF friends from US. I questioned why has done it, and if they would do the same in reverse. My understanding is that he was giving them away because they "asked", and they were his friends in school so he can play games with them. He had received some gifts in return.

  • I tried to keep the conversation under 20 mins, as kids dont have the best attention span. I thought there isn't any point to use words such as "crime", "court", "jail" or "illegal" to scare him. He has only seen them in TV, it does not however relate to him.

My explanation to him were:

  1. It was not his money to spend, every single cent was taken out of his mother's savings. It is as if he is stealing from them. He is hurting them.

  2. Furthermore, my cousin's mother had been really unwell the last few years. In one instance she was in hospital for a month, on the verge of leaving this world. With the permission of my aunt, I had to play the emotional card. I told him that he is causing so much distress to his mother. Can he face her mother collapse and be waiting at the hospital bedside again?

  3. He needs to man up and be responsible for his actions. It will be harsh, but just like everything in life he needs to move on. I am there to help with the process.

  • The fellow was quite miserable and was trying to run away from his consequences initially. One thing that he said was "they(steam) just lets me do(buy) it". He also tried justifying the things he bought on steam, ans said "you dont get it", "you trade these items, that is what you do"

  • I pointed out that they (steam) is there to make money, you will not get money off them. Also by the end of the day, he needs to pay his parents back somehow and have consequences placed upon him to move on. This is not enforced by me, but by my aunt and uncle. I am merely there to make things clear for him and explain the effects of his actions.

Some suggested consequences were:

a) Taking his privilege away, no computers this holiday. Enforce a timetable for computer usage and homework suitable for the family permanently.

b) My aunt demand a written note from my cousin; stating that he owe the family $5000, and will pay them back.

c) Block out an afternoon on each weekend (as suggested by "wholesaleturbos"), where he has to leave home for outdoor activity/work. He used to play soccer some years back when he wasn't 95kg. Not a healthy weight for a 14 Y.O. I know.

I wish I could do a better job, but that is all I can do and suggest to my aunt.

I welcome any further constructive criticism on the outcome of this matter, if the consequences were fair and reasonable.

Once again, I take my hat off to those who have been following this entire thread the last two days.

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Comments

  • +4

    Contact steam. When my kid did a bunch of IAP apple refunded the money.

    • +2

      May I ask how exactly did you present your situation to Apple? Also on what grounds should I ask to get the money back? Unauthorised payment by a minor?
      Thank you for reading through this long post.

      • +8

        Unfortunately Valve (the company which owns the Steam platform) has an extremely anti-consumerist philosophy and will simply deny the refund request. Judging by a similar story to what you've posted, Valve interprets unauthorized transactions from family members as being your own responsibility. I'm positive that the only way you will receive the money back is by creating a dispute through PayPal, whom are far more likely to refund the money.

        It would be pretty difficult for your cousin to spend that amount of money on games alone, even if he was purchasing games and gifting them to friends. What probably happened is that he became addicted to the "meta-game" that Valve has been building on-top of the steam platform. The entire meta-game is essentially unregulated gambling, and it's obvious that Valve went out of their way to design it in a way that's addictive and exploitative to the weak and/or young people.

        If you absolutely need to go through steam, the only way you'd have a chance of getting your money back is by lying through your teeth. You might be able to get away with stating that your PayPal account was compromised, but it would probably look suspicious if you've been funding that account with the same PayPal email address for an extended period of time.

        • +2

          Not particularly difficult depending on what kind of games he plays too.

          For example, if he plays any "Free to Play" game such as "MapleStory" he can buy $100's of dollars worth if in game cash to get items or gamble.

          I know, because I do spend quite some $$ on these kinds of games - but then I have a full-time job and work for my money.

  • +14

    I found it hard to believe to spend that much on games or in game contents in a month

    When you check his computer: open up Steam, menu 'Steam > Settings', on the first screen click 'View Account Details' button, then look at the Store Transactions and Market Transactions. That will tell you how much he is spending on games and items.

    Spending that much in a month is entirely possible, when people buy items like Dota 2 pets for $2300 (someone apparently paid $38,000 for one) or TF2 hats for $5,000.

    • +1

      Thanks for that tip.
      Will check on it.
      He plays Gary's mod, Minecraft and portal alot.

      • +3

        None of those games have in game transactions, check for TF2, Dota2 and CS:GO, among others. But you will see when you check market transactions anyway.

        • +4

          Dota 2 for sure… 'expensive' game, really!
          If it were my kid, I take away all electronics from him/her, till I feel the loss was recovered. maybe spank the kid too…

    • what named pet cost 2300? most i've seen cost $12.99?

      • It's not a pet it's a courier. And normally transactions like those occur outside steam via PayPal/bank transfer as Steam has a limit to how much you can market.
        And you can't cash out steam dollars so no point holding 38K on games.

      • +1

        A cycle gold baby roshan or platinum baby roshan with ionic vapor will cost around 2300.

      • +1

        Any Baby Roshan that is not "Auspicious" or "Ordinary", Platinums and Golds are usually the more expensive ones. But the market fluctuates and so it can get to about $10,000 USD (-2% Steam Fee).

    • Sounds about right.

      1-2 Unusual golden/platinum baby roshan would cost about that.

  • +13

    Make him get a part time job and pay for it.

    • +2

      I will tell my aunt to consider it as a consequence.
      Thank you.

  • +13
    1. My cousin is a fool and took things for granted. He did not realise how much real money it was costing my uncle and aunty (whom are both not well off by any means)

    $100 per month to spend on games is A LOT imo, especially for a family who's not well off. Better off getting him a savings account or giving in cash which would encourage him to step away from the computer.

    • +1

      You are right. It does sound quite a bit. I wasn't given any money to buy games during my teens except Christmas.
      However, being the only child and my cousin stays at home all the time. He does not go out to nor wants to buys anything else. His only mean for entertainment is on computer, which is sad. My aunt had him when she was 42, their family had difficulties over the years. He is on the borderline of autistic. We are greatly worried for him.
      Thanks for the advice.

      • +5

        Maybe he hasnt discovered his other talents and the fun side of outdoor activities, or other areas like art and music. I used to think tennis was boring and un-entertaining, but after playing a bit, I enjoy playing it for fun and watching some matches. The longer you keep him in a 'cage' the narrower his horizons. Plus its probably easier to influence a 14 yo kid, than a 20 yo adult.

  • +7

    He surely knew better at 14 years old. I wouldn't be surprised if he was also gifting games to his 'friends'.

    • +4

      That is a good lead.
      I will check his steam transaction record as suggested by "thrift"
      Thank you for the suggestion

      • I don't really remember but maybe 4 years a kid gave a 'friend' his mums credit card details, the friend then gifted steam games to anyone who wanted them. The mum found out and contacted steam and anyone who was gifted a game had their account locked.

        • +10

          That was a poor move by steam, it wasn't the receivers faults.

        • Yes but its effective at teaching all of them consequences. The receivers probably did know.

        • @algy: I think it's more likely the games were removed from receivers accounts and the person doing the unauthorized transactions had their account locked. Valve doesn't really abuse their power like that from what i've seen/heard.

        • @Agret: Na they were actually locked. Seems they are pretty harsh on this kind of stuff. They did know where the games were coming from but a 14/15 year old isn't really going to say no to someone handing out $80 steam games.

  • take the damn computer away, tell him to get a job…

  • +7

    You can save your payment information by ticking a box when going through the buying process easily enough. It's possible if they were recharging his account through steam, he ticked that pesky little box.

    You can see if payment details are saved to an account by going to Account Details, and looking on the right "The following payment methods are currently associated with your account."

    When you go through his game buying history, make sure to look at Market purchases as well

    • I see, so it is entirely possible to save Paypal password as well then.
      I went into my own steam account and saw my purchases over the years.
      How do I access market purchase history?

      Your advice is Appreciated.

      • +2

        You need to be logged into his account and use this link:
        https://store.steampowered.com/account/

        It will give you the total account history.
        If he's "spending" $100 a month exactly, or the amounts are in hundred dollar exact denominations, he's more than likely adding credit to his Steam Wallet, rather than buying games.

      • he could have a program like lastpass installed to save passwords and/or used a keylogger on his own comp.

  • +1

    I definitely suggest contacting Steam and seeing what they can do.

    Look at recent purchases + in-app purchases within the transaction list. The Paypal linked credit card MUST be delinked and the credit card cancelled (if he's shared the details of the card).

    http://gizmodo.com/5987799/this-kid-blew-2500-on-in-game-pur…

    • +1

      I have changed the Paypal password for my aunt. She also cancelled of the old credit card through the bank.

      Can someone tell me on what grounds should I contact steam for this situation?
      I am not sure my story will provide enough justification yet.

      I am shocked after reading that article btw. Given my cousin is very naive and is deceived easily.

      Thank you omgwtfbbq.

      • +8

        No worries mate.

        This really worries me. Considering the "ease" with which purchases can be made without sufficient safeguards.

        I would suggest contacting Steam on the grounds of unauthorised payment by minor. Basically, on compassionate grounds. I'm fairly certain that they'll see the activity as we all see it, a kid who has messed up because they didn't truly understand what they were doing. They may also refund the amount and revoke the "in app" purchases/other transactions made if needed. This is based on their discretion I guess.

        Good luck mate. I really hope your Aunt and Uncle get their money back. I don't think vilifying your cousin is the right way to go about it either. As you've mentioned before, he is borderline autistic, so this could be a very valuable learning experience for him.

        • +8

          ^ this. Also try the bank. Discuss how the payments weren't authorised by the card holder. They 'may' do a chargeback to steam which could end up with his steam account being closed.

          Maybe try your luck with steam first. I would articulate clearly that the payments made were not authorised by the cardholder. Don't deviate too much as how the card details were supplied to the 'suspect' as they are likely to use that excuse as an out. Better term is the card was compromised by a family member. Use the right language and be concise. Remember, they will be listening/reading to what you say and seeing to find if it fits part of their policy. Unauthorised payments and compromised card 'should' fit a part of their policy.

      • +2

        It's not like he's 5 years old like the kid in that article - a 14 year old should know approximately how much he spent or at least what he bought, if he's telling the truth. Obviously it's different if the account was hacked, or if the child does not have the mental age of a normal 14 year old… but other than those circumstances, if this was my kid he'd be working off that money for however long it took and he'd have other privileges taken away until he demonstrates he is responsible.

  • Can you do a chargeback on the CC? Steam are notoriously slow on their support requests but if you can just do a chargeback and fix it all then go for it.

    • +1

      Wouldn't that risk steam disabling your account?

      • +2

        Indeed. At this point though, what's the harm ? I guess it depends on how many games the account has and whether the parents are willing to risk having the account suspended.

        Also, a charge back isn't guaranteed. Whilst the payee often gets the money back initially, if the recipient can prove the goods or service were rendered in full, then the charges are reapplied to the card.

        • +1

          Suspend the account and spank the kid. Send him to a boarding school for conditioning.

    • Steam will disable your account and you will lose all your games, so this is definitely not advised.

    • +1

      I do not think the account matters as long as my uncle can get refunded.
      I will tell my aunt to tell the bank that she did not authorise the payment.
      Thanks

      • +1

        Before you do check how many games he has purchased in the past. If he had $100 to spend on games every month chances are that he already had thousands of dollars of games before this month and he WILL lose all these games if they do a chargeback. Definitely proceed with caution and try everything else before doing this, as Steam is US based there is very little chance of getting the old games back.

  • As mentioned, you can save payment method to your steam account so you don't have to re enter it next time you buy.

    I'm curious as to what the kid bought. Train simulator dlcs??

  • Thats a shame to hear. Best of luck getting the money's worth back.

    I'd also recommend looking/posting on the Steam forums too if you haven't already have.

  • +1

    He was probably buying in game items, just tell valve and they will refund the purchases

  • +2

    As others have said the first step is to find out what he spent the money on.

    Most likely spent on in app purchases or on the steam community market (where people can buy and sell in game stuff for their characters like steam hats, crafting card collections and such). Heck if you knew what you were doing you can actually profit off buying and selling hats, it's possible he heard about it and wanted to try. But it's pointless to speculate instead of just finding out what he was actually doing.

    If a person has access to a computer, they can install a key logger. It basically just records every keystroke into a notepad file while it operates in the background, regardless of where the keystroke is entering information into. It's just a matter of figuring out what's what after.

    If you want to bypass using PayPal on his computer start using steam gift cards instead. You can purchase them from eb games in denominations of 20usd and 50usd. (they cost 23aud and 55aud or something like that to make up for the currency conversion).

  • +18

    $100/mo for games? Can i move in?

  • +3

    I'm going to take a guess that they didn't teach him the value of money when he was younger. As mentioned above you'll have to cross reference the transaction history of the Steam account with the Paypal account to be sure on that 1. You can find it under Account Details. If you find it wasn't him and you see a transaction through PayPal that isn't on Steam, it most likely means the accounts have been compromised. Anyone could be to blame in this situation, it could have been the mother/father not being careful with passwords (i.e making the password 123) or your newphew might have allowed the PC to get infected with malware, same could be said for the folks if they use the PC as well.

    1. Change Paypal password, remove the credit card linked and cancel the current credit card.
      • Yes this would be a good start and should have been done a very long time ago by the sounds of it, who in their right mind allows a kid free usage over a credit card/paypal account? Steam has the option to remember payment options. This means if you use your PayPal or Credit Card once and save the options, you can make purchases without filling in any details and it's almost instant. This might explain why you saw 3 payments in 3 minutes.

    In future, if his parents want to give him control over a financial account of some sort, make it an account that's independant of their own. Like give him his own PayPal account without any connected bank accounts etc… and then they should have sent him money via their own paypal account. That way what he gets is all he can spend. I wouldn't do this though but if they want to it should be done this way. Otherwise if he spends money only on Steam, buy Steam gift cards from EB Games.

    1. Have a long and educational talk with their son, he needs to learn from his mistakes and be dealt with consequences. Can there be a reason consequence?
      • This isn't an option this is something that should be done regardless of whether this situation happens or not.

    2. Is there anything that be done externally to get some money back, salvage the situation? Although I am aware that the chances are slim, and my uncle may have just have to cut the loses.
      • Steam doesn't usually do refunds for things like this, in fact they won't even refund if the game doesn't work based on 3rd party software like 'Games for Windows Live', the most they MIGHT do for you is refund the games and add the money to the steam wallet; basically like a store credit, but good luck with that.

    The best punishment for this, since he's 14 you can't really smack him around a little, so keep the laptop confiscated, remove any unearned pocket money or whatever $100 they were giving him. Make him do house chores. He can't get a part time job at his age so make him earn his money via house chores. Since he's already spent so much, he should be doing house chores for free for a while or even better; give him a certain amount but take a cut from it. I know it sounds redundant as his folks are just spending extra money, but he'll learn the value of money even more if he sees what he could have earned being cut by his possible stupidity. Basically show him what it's like to be a taxpayer & pay bills xD Give him $100 but take $60-80 as a cut.

    • -6

      The best punishment for this, since he's 14 you can't really smack him around a little,

      I decided to skip to the end of your comment and I'm glad that I did. What an imbecile. I fail to see how that will teach a young boy a lesson, especially if he is on the autistic spectrum. Chances are that he isn't fully aware of the value of money, but things aren't as black and white for someone like that as you assume. This is a lesson which must be taught tactfully.

      • +2

        I didn't see anything in the OP that mentioned the boy was autistic also if you actually read the line properly I never said to hit him.

        • +1

          But thiswas posted ~8 hours before your post.
          Another speed-reader.

        • yes but "this" wasn't posted in the original post so it's irrelevant, no 1s expected to read the other comments to answer the original post. I didn't speed read, I read through the original post which was where the help was required to begin with.

      • +7

        heatseeker424, it seems that you are the imbecile. Read the line you quoted one more time, out aloud. When it sinks in and makes sense to you, give yourself an uppercut.

        • -4

          He's implying that because the boy is 14 you can't smack him. So if he was 18 it's okay?

        • +11

          Wow you really are the imbecile here. Physical forms of discipline die off at a certain age, I was implying that he was too old for it by now which I'm pretty sure most people would have gathered from reading that line. How the hell did you interpret that as if I was suggesting it should be done at a later stage when he was older? That's 1 of the stupidest interpretations I've ever read.

        • +1

          Many entertaining comprehension-fail replies here. lol

        • -2

          Physical forms of discipline die off at a certain age

          Yeah, as soon as the power disparity has flipped… Parents can suddenly control the hitting of children when they are larger, funny that.

          If he is showing signs of autism then the parents are mostly responsible.

          If he is 14 with no mental condition then he is still not 100% responsible.

        • @owli:
          If he is showing signs of autism then the parents are mostly responsible.

          That is a horrible thing to say, you can't control if your child is born autistic or not.

    • +2

      Thank your for taking the time to read and respond to my post.

      I will have a look today and see what he has purchased.

      My aunt did not give free access to credit card/paypal to my cousin. Chances are that my cousin somehow saved the password option as suggested by many.

      You are right about the value of money, they had him while they were old.
      That however, is not an excuse by my book.
      Interesting idea about taking a cut from him pocket money. I will tell my my aunt to consider it.

      • +1

        Yeah as mentioned above I didn't see anything saying the boy was Autistic. If this is the case it would definitely change things alot. I'm no expert on Autism but I'm guessing it's going to be a significantly difficult task teaching him right from wrong, some of the methods I listed above may not even come close to working apart from the last 1 where your aunt/uncle takes a cut of the money. I'd say they might want to contact a specialist for extra help and information on dealing with this kind of thing. Especially if the autism wasn't managed at an earlier stage, I'd assume the longer it's left undealt with the worse off the person ends up being.

  • +2

    Earlier in the week I had a friend notice about $700 in steam charges he didn't make, nothing new in his steam library or history, paypal+credit card also.

  • +9

    didn't read the other posts, only the first one.
    I seem to be missing why they don't just ask the kid what is going on, why all this secrecy?
    ask the kid, if it's his fault punish him, if it's not his fault get paypal to sort it out and get the money back.

    seems like common sense to me.

    • +1

      My uncle and aunt has little comprehension of online payments and computers.
      They wanted to ask for my advice first before having the long and educational talk with my cousin.

      The long and educational talk will start tonight after I have a look at his computer.

      Thank you for responding.

      • +1

        Thank you for keeping us informed of the situation.

        Good luck in getting it resolved and setting up precautions so that it won't happen again.

        My suggestion is to listen to all sides of the situation and keep an open mind. It's great that you are making so much effort to help your family.

        Please let us know what happens.

  • +5

    It's very possible that he spent $5000 through Steam. The best thing to do now is to give the kid a lecture on moderation(maybe his folks never instilled in him the value of money) and stop his 'monthly $100 allowance' for 50 months.

    I find it strange that everyone is judging a 14yo kid so harshly for something relatively minor. Surely the blame lies to the parents who were careless. Paypal is connected to the bank account, in a way that allows PayPal to do transactions directly from the account.

    He did not physically harm anyone, burn a building, or drink-drive. He just spent some money, somewhat excessively.

    I was an ignorant 14yo, but my dad scared the sh*t out of me when mad. He expressed the importance of money quite a lot, and lectures when I ask for what he considers more than necessary. So I'm quite careful, particularly with money I did not earn myself.

    • If my cousin did spend $5000 on steam, then we are going to work out a reasonable punishment for him.
      Thank you for another perspective.

  • Install the PayPal APP on your uncle's and aunt's mobile phone. Activate NOTIFICATIONS for everything! & lock that phone, so that the kid doesn't de-activate it.

    • +2

      maybe for future, but pretty useless for current $5k bill.

  • +6

    It seems that many who have offered advice have no idea of the complexities and behavioral differences of those children or adults who are on the autistic spectrum.
    It would be helpful to find out more about this puzzling and perplexing condition.
    This 14 year old may have difficulty in understanding the consequences of his actions. The aunt and uncle may need additional support to establish a workable solution. School refusal may be another issue that needs investigation.

    • +1

      My cousin was in a program last year to assists with his overall well-being.
      On weekend's, a designated young social worker would come and take him out for a fun day out.
      It helped him to communicate and "open up" to someone else other than his family and close friends.

      Parenthood is beyond me at this stage.

      Thank you for being thoughtful.

  • +4

    https://i.imgur.com/JpMzu8S.jpg

    Is this him by any chance?

  • +5

    It's a great idea (for everyone) to set up two step verification for Paypal. It means no-one can access ur Paypal account without you inputting a code that gets sent to ur mobile phone - how to: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin?cmd=xpt/Marketing_CommandD…

  • How are people judging this as being on the autism spectrum?

  • Maybe there is an epic bucket of credit in his steam wallet now? I am tipping he might have got sucked into that whole colour vs colour team battle thing and went nuts buying trading cards.

    $100/month? That is huge. I spend that maybe once or twice a year.

    The paypal two step verification looks like a great idea. I am going to set that up now as I recently just setup Paypal again.

    As an added thing for the future suggestion, don't give any credit card details. Buy gift cards from local gameshop so he can top up his credit, or used limited value pre-paid visa cards or similar. You can get steam credit from EB Games.

  • +5

    $100 per month on games is massive, I would suggest $40 visa card per month so he can only have himself to blame if something goes wrong with his "budget"

    If they insist $100 total per month, have a $60 for outdoor activities.

    Most credit cards have an email alert and will email you as soon as a transactions been made on the card- set it up and use it
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    Personally, I would do $20 per month for at least the rest of the year, he must do the dishes and laundry for everyone in the house, pc/console/internet is not to be used until homework is done. I would force him out of the house for part of the weekend for some vitamin D and exercise, a Saturday paper route of at least 300 houses, if he gets fired his $20 per month goes to zero and his console/pc is confiscated. He must mow the lawn at least once per week on the weekend, sunday night rolls around and its not done your doing it in the dark buddy. If they don't have one a relative surely will.

    This is an important time in his life, he must understand his actions have repercussions and the value of money. He is a teenager not a kid, they understand but choose to have a blind eye- as a parent this is the time to learn about these things before your 18 and can totally (profanity) your credit/life up for a long time. I.e its easy to say "hes only been a teen for 2 years" but look at it this way, you only have 4 years until hes 18

  • +4

    I feel for your relatives. My son spent a few hundred dollars (Christmas and Birthday money) on his steam wallet etc. It made my husband absolutely furious. My son has been lectured over and over about it but kept doing it. My opinion was that it's his money and when he blows it all then decides he wants to be something (new ipod etc) he will realise he has no money and mum and dad won't be paying.

    He got down to his last $100 then decided he needed a new monitor for his computer. I think he realised he shouldn't have blown all that money when I told him he will have to start saving again. He has high functioning Aspergers and is pretty much fixated on gaming.

    The funny thing is (or maybe not so funny) - up until this year he has been a big saver. His younger brother spends his money as soon as he gets it but this one used to save it all.

  • damn. tbh, $100/month on games is massive! they should halve that, make him his own paypal, load his own visa debit with $50/month and if he wants an expensive game, he can learn to save on his own. Steam have that many sales, he surely can wait for good bargains.

    It's not the kids fault entirely. I don't think he has grasped the idea of working for money and how expensive the cost of living is before any other costs are involved. Slugging the kid is not the answer, some have mentioned educating the kid and i reckon that is the best way.

  • i would call bank get new card. they need teach him about money i get him prepaid visa card. after he pay back money i would give him his pocket money in cash make go to shop to put money on prepaid card him self.

  • -1

    If all else fails, tell your uncle to contact ACA and let them try to salvage anything. Maybe they will give the company a bad rep?

    • +1

      haha but Steam aren't the ones in the wrong here. they have done nothing wrong nor have they had any security breaches. Perhaps when the adult typed in the password, Chrome/Safari/Firefox (or whomever the browser is) popped up with 'save password' and it was ticked off.

      • Pretty sure when you buy on Steam with PayPal then your PayPal is actually linked to your Steam account and becomes authorized to make future payments without prompting for password, just do a checkout on Steam and bam it's gone from PayPal.

    • +1

      Maybe they will give the company a bad rep?

      I think this would actually backfire…

      • I did say when all else fails. Better than nothing and maaybe ACA might give them $50 bucks or something. LOL

  • All you need to do, is contact paypal, tell them all these transactions were not under the account holders knowledge or authorisation. If paypal doesnt help then goto your credit card company.

    btw, dont email, you need the account holder to call paypal.

    • Exactly, contact the card company and let them know the charges were unauthorized, a charge-back will take place and the content purchased will be reversed/deleted by Steam and the account likely cancelled.

  • Log onto steam

    It will have a user name in the top right

    Click account details and see what being spent and where - most likely under store , game and market transactions

  • Without reading the comments abouve,

    1. It is possible to save your Paypal details on Steam, and proceed without needing to enter your username and paswords for future transactions.

    2. It is quite easy to spend $5000. It'll most likely not come from games, but in-game purchases. Counter Strike, Dota 2 etc. I used to play quite a bit of MMO games in the past and the amount of money some people spend on virtual stuff can be quite astounding. Then again, a lot of games have a certain amount of spending limit, which the user have to request to have it increased. For example, I think the default steam wallet limit is $200. So maybe check his email account as well for correspondence in regards to him requesting to have his limit increased?

    3. To check steam market transactions, after you open the Steam client, click on 'community'(located on the top left), then click on 'market', then click on the 'my market history' tab. If you can check what games he spends most of his time on and tell us, that might be a good lead too.

    I think the first thing you have to find out is if the money was spent by him. I'm going to hazard yes, and that your aunt's credit card details has not been obtained by some stranger.

    Either way, I wish your uncle & aunt the best in regards to recovering the money.

  • Just to weigh in on some earlier comments, DO NOT give him his own Paypal account. It clearly breaches their Terms of Service, and (as I found myself at 17!) you'll have your account disabled, along with the money in it frozen. It can only be withdrawn when the user turns 18.

    A good lesson in money management that sticks averts the need for it in the first place

    Best of luck otherwise!

  • If you can't get the money back, maybe sell his steam account to recover some of it at least?

    • Surely he would just recover it, like most people do when they sell things like that. It's against the TOA, so all he would have to do is say he was hacked.

  • +8

    After investing the time to read the replies I would dig a conclusion to this story.

    Do come back and tell us

    • Seconded.

  • I would really like any to know how he spent $5000 dollars.
    If it was one of valves 'hat' selling games that would be opening 2008 chests or hopefully he hasn't been gambling with in game items i.e dota2lounge csgolounge etc.

  • -5

    The kid is a product of his environment i.e bad parents who still aren't taking responsibility - you are and even still worming out of paying up. Parents are too often letting TV and computers raise their children and they end up with serious computer addictions and poor life skills. The kid needs conditioning (as stated above) boarding school, army cadets, scouts, football etc. He needs better role models than he has got. your asking for counselling on the internet when they really need qualified family counseling - this is their expertise.

    • You raise a good and valid point, ignorance is not a reason to charge back. Unlikely the kid has hacked paypal, he probably also knows their pin number for their atm card too

      Technically it is an unauthorized transaction, but they also didn't take the precautions to stop it from happening

  • +3

    Holy crap balls I think i just figured it out… (and sorry for the long post in advance)
    "Save my payment information so checkout is easy next time"
    ^^^^ NEW CHECKBOX IN STEAM THAT I JUST REALIZED EXISTED THAT IS NOW APPARENTLY AUTOMATICALLY TICKED WHENEVER YOU USE PAYPAL……. Just fyi

    My story:
    I have ALWAYS had to log into my paypal account, for the last 5 years I use steam it has been this way the entire time… This was until today when I read your story and just tried paypal transaction and … creepy music It seems steam has saved my password and payment details in my PC somewhere..
    This is the FIRST time I have ever NOThad to log into my paypal because I know well every single other time I have had to manually put in my password and log in through paypals website in the steam browser… My last paypal purchase was just before the sale started (maybe 1.5-2 weeks), and I havent bought anything since, So my theory is that steam implemented this just before the sale, and decided it would auto remember be default, possibly knowing full well what would happen with some of their customers.

    I assume this 'newly implemented helpful checkbox' is what has caused 100% of your problems,

    Can anyone else confirm if this is a new thing because I am more than 100% positive this is the first time steam has remembered my paypal???

    My question to you is how long has your cousin been going nuts on the spending?? I bet its only about 2 weeks or so and sounds like he probably bought every damn game on sale!! Because I really dont remember this option existing before now, and if im wrong about this and it did (which wouldnt be all too surprising) I still believe 100% that it was always automatically UNTICKED as it has never saved my one, until perhaps 2 weeks ago when it has mysteriously auto ticked itself.

    If valve dont help Id personally try paypal first (tell your family to ring paypal in person instead of initiating dozens and dozens of disputes), at least talk to them about the issue and see if they can help, otherwise they might think you are some type of scammer yourself when they see 30 paypal disputes rise in their system, and likewise if you do 30x chargebacks from your CC to paypal, then say goodbye to paypal account as well (IMO) unless you have prior arrangement with them and they understand what is going on with your family, then lastly if all else fails go to credit card issuer for chargeback on everything but this could very well affect both steam and paypal accounts. Screw the steam account though Im pretty sure your cousin could live without and you can replace the few games he plays very easy..

    I hope you get money back.
    Very sly valve.

    • The last thing I bought off steam was last year, and I've always had to enter my paypal again. This is probably new.

      • +1

        Nope, been there for years (at least the last three).

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