Saw this price had changed on my Amazon account so time to bite the bullet!
Retails here around $219-$249 (cheapest I found was here http://www.dicksmith.com.au/usb-hard-drives/seagate-expansio… )
Works out to AU$166.80 Delivered
Bargain!!
CamelCamelCamel.
That's good news then! :)
yup ditto the pile of 2tb seagates i own. all came with multiple
the backup plus ones from amazon in the past have had single US plug - anyone confirm US stock from amazon has multi plug?
Its cheaper than purchasing standalone 4GB HDDs as well. They sell for about $190 here at UMart.
I know thats a typo, but its funny how in my (Short) life time this was actually once true
Im in need of one, havent bought a hard drive since 5 years back. How good of a deal do u think this is guys? or maybe ill wait for an uber deal at stock take in another few months :D
This deal is cheaper than buying a hard disk alone from a cheap computer store.
Considering this comes with an external chasis, USB 3.0 interface and delivered - it's an awesome deal.
You don't really get stock take sales on PC hardware. The margins at most good stores are already thin enough. This is a very good deal and I very much doubt you'll find anything better for many months. Even CamelCamelCamel shows the cheapest Amazon have ever had was still $15 more than the current price.
Got mine last week from TGG.
~$155. Best Price!
receipt?
Seems legit: a housemate got one through TGG 30% eBay sale and it was about this much IIRC.
Because $161.60 = ~$155 ?
On the Good Guys weebsite its for $218 + delivery
30% off $218 is $152.60… (see my comment above)
During TGG 30% eBay sale, yes it was $161.60 delivered, or $152.60 pick up.
I bought a Seagate 1tb a couple of years back. Only used it less than 10 times and it died on me. Warranty was over by then, but I hardly ever used it, just back up and stored it away. Not sure about getting another Seagate but the price is really cheap. With all my Western Digital HD I have never had a problem. Anyone with the same experience with Seagate? I was told the we're supposed to be good.
Had to rma a few WD's back to Malaysia, no issues with Seagate so far.
I've had 2 of these for about 7 months, started out using them externally but then ended up putting one in my PC and keeping the other as a backup drive.
No dramas.
Only used it less than 10 times
That doesn't help. The spinning up and spinning down is what wears the heads out the most. I keep my running continuously and don't even let them spin down with this handy little app.
Unless you are using the drive every hour or so, it's not better to keep it running. Even if you're making daily backups it's going to be easier on your HDD if you let it spin down.
I've never heard of a HDD actually dying while it was powered and in operation. 9 times out of 10, it's dead after a period of idleness or after long periods of storage. If HDDs fail, it's almost always catastrophic (something on the logic board melts, the actuator motors die, etc.), and there's really nothing that a user can do over its lifespan to mitigate that. Those issues are inherent from the tiny inconsistencies in production most of the time.
Besides, servers with "enterprise-grade" HDDs (which have been statistically shown to be no more reliable than consumer-grade HDDs) run continuously under huge workloads for years without issue.
At work I've seen perfectly fine Seagates, WDs and old Samsung HDDs with power-on counts over 50,000 hours (that's +5 years); saying that keeping a HDD continuously running will hurt it's longevity is like saying, the longer you use your PC, the more likely it is to fail.
It's not a linear equation, HDDs either work well or they don't most of the time. The same study I referenced showed that if a HDD doesn't fail in the first 1 year of operation, it's likely good for at least 4 years, if it doesn't fail within 2 years, it'll go on for much, much longer than that.
I think your concerns might have been valid about 6 years ago when HDDs were still maturing and newer tech was being applied to them (bigger caches, more platters, etc.) but now they have been refined to the point of exceeding most normal users' operating thresholds.
Something else is far more likely to kill the HDD well before you kill it from simply using it to death.
I don't think it's that uncommon. My 3TB Seagate is dying. I never turn my PC off or spin down my hard drives. Speedfan analysis from SMART:
BLOCKING ISSUE : your hard disk has 136 pending sectors (this value is very large and your hard disk should be replaced).
BLOCKING ISSUE : your hard disk has 136 offline uncorrectable sectors (this value is very large and your hard disk should be replaced).
SERIOUS ISSUE : your hard disk has 216 reallocated sectors.
The overall fitness for this drive is 0%.
The overall performance for this drive is 45%.
It fails the Seatools short test.
I've had many drives fail in operation. My media center PC is always running with no spindown - the WD drive in that failed. Got a warranty replacement, that drive failed as well. Changed to Seagate and it has been running fine for the past 2 years or so.
The enterprise WD drive in my server failed. The replacement is working fine so far.
The WD Velociraptor in my desktop failed. Took the opportunity to upgrade to an SSD.
They all have good cooling and are never subject to shock or vibration.
I've also had a whole string of failed hard drives at work too, in computers and servers that are never switched off.
Yeah, I've had about 3 Seagates and 1 has failed. Unfortunately, it was my latest and so had a lot of stuff on it. There was a test done comparing Hitachi, WD and Seagate hard drives and the reliability came out in that respective order, so I'd prefer WD.
I think there was an update on the original article and something sus about the way the company conducted those tests so I wouldnt blindly trust what was written in it.
Here's some light reading:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/17/backblaze_how_not_to…
I have to add that I've had a HP 2TB USB.3 Ext HDD for over 2 years now with no issues. In the past I've also had a 40GB Seagate which is still working til today and havent had any of my hard drives ever fail on me (knock on wood). I bet now that I've said this karma is gonna throw some shit my way. Time to back up.
I have 4 HDDs that are Seagate, 1TB and 2TB x3. Over the 3 years no issues, used them every now and again over this time period.
With all my HDDs, I have only had one die on me which was a WD 500GB, but that lasted for 6 years, was my first HDD and was on pretty much all the time for at least 4 years.
What's the warranty like on these given they're being purchased from US Amazon?
Also, for those who have ripped out the drive, is it easy to put back in the case without making it seem like it was ripped out in the first place? (for warranty purposes)
Shame… Limit of 2 per customer this won't do for zfs at all!
Yes, but you could get two at a time and wait for the next deal. If you're making a redundancy focussed ZFS pool its also probably prudent to not have data sitting on platters from an identical factory run.
Surely you can get a mate (or sibling or parent) to sign up and purchase for you? Then the 2 limit becomes 4 limit… 6 limit… whatever. :)
Throw these in an array… #winning.
See the comments below on Backblaze. A company purchased USD$1m of drives doing exactly this.
Has anyone here bought something like this and crack it open to use the HDD in a NAS? Is there any difference in term of performance/stability?
Yes. No adverse difference in terms of performance/stability (it'll actually be faster as you're jumping from USB3 to SATA), though keep hold of the shucked case for if you ever need to make a return.
I bought 5 of the 3TB model about a year ago, the drives are the same model as the internal ones. They've not skipped a beat!
Also see blog posts by Backblaze, a commercial cloud backup service who survived a massive jump in HDD prices by doing exactly this at scale.
Farming hard drives: how Backblaze weathered the Thailand drive crisis
Farming hard drives: 2 years and $1M later
YouTube video for the lazy
If you want to look at long term reliability statistics for consumer drives put through server workloads, evidence based value assessments and the like you should check out their other blog posts. Uber detailed and very thorough.
WTF? Why didn't you put your link to the YouTube video before the other two links? I had to read two extra links before I saw the lazy option!
The lazy option was the video at front and centre of the first link…. I figured people who dove in would see it :)
I didn't read the links as I assumed reading was involved, but I had to read the title of the links in your post. Could have spent that time looking for more bargains.
I keep forgetting I have the cloud to butt extension installed. It came up for me as "a commercial butt backup service" doubled back when I saw it
Yep, bought four of these from a Good Guys/Officeworks price match deal earlier this year (https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/128739) which price matched down to $174 but I then got another 10% off from some Back To School promotion so they were even cheaper still! I loaded them up in my brand new N54L Microserver NAS but quickly realised that RAIDZ2 had a huge overhead to allow dual redundancy so I went back to Officeworks to buy a couple more before the sale ended. Best thing was that I showed the receipt from the previous purchase a few days earlier just so they'd give them to me for the same price however the Checkie ended up entering the final 'per drive' price as the price to match in the system so I got yet another 5% off for the pricematch but then yet another 10% off because the Back To School promo was still going… hilarious! I have the receipt somewhere for warranty purposes but from memory the last 2 drives came down to around $148 each :)
Anyhoo, all six 4TB drives are running perfectly in my N54L providing around 14.5TB total capacity under RAIDZ2. Sure they're not the special 'RED' or 'NAS' rated drives but I've always used the cheapest crappiest drives in my NAS boxes and have only had one failure in 7+ years which was covered by warranty so no biggie there. They run cool & quiet however the only issue I've heard is that they apparently use a lot more power compared to the proper NAS rated drives.
I say go for it!
US$148.95 inc shipping to Sydney. Using 28 Degrees, it converts to AU$161.32 delivered (cheaper than TGG promotion by $0.28; almost the full price of a soft serve)
But the TGG price includes GST.
So if you can claim get GST back then….
Buying from TGG will also include the price protection from 28degrees :)
Nice.. got $140 in amazon gift cards for my birthday, so all up was about $10 delivered :)
Great bargain! And with Amazon, you always have peace of mind.
Anyone know how long it would approx take to deliver?
According to my order:
Your estimated delivery date is:
Friday, April 18, 2014 -
Wednesday, April 30, 2014
The bare drives are apparently the ST4000DM000 which are about $189 locally.
Nice. I ordered one. Thanks OP!
Gotta sleep on this, but I just know they'll be all gone by the morning. :p
Just bought two! thanks OP :D
Theoe Seagate Expansion seems to have bad quality, both have the two 3TB one I bought from Amazon us has suffered serious problems, one NTFS under windows, one EXT4 under Linux.
I highly recommend if you get these you use them in a HDD dock or internally or with a separate 3rd-party enclosure.
Mechanically the Barracuda ST4000M000's are fine and quite speedy for 5900RPM HDDs but that sh*tty enclosure has damn near cooked my two drives on multiple occasions (it was hitting 50C under heavy load regularly). One of them is continually giving me a failed SMART Airflow Temperature attribute and was randomly getting unresponsive to the point of me having to plug it in and out (though now they're being used internally and they seem fine; after about 7 months or so of usage).
If you have a warm-ish room, definitely just take it out of the damn enclosure and put it in your HDD dock or inside your PC. Heck even just take the enclosure off and leave the USB board connected to the SATA ports so you can still use it externally, but that enclosure is bad news for HDD longevity, period.
Please be aware that these Seagate drives don't work very well with MAC … (does not remount after going to sleep).
I have the 2 TB version and only can use it as a backup drive.
But a pretty good price …
(does not remount after going to sleep).
So stop it from sleeping. If anything it might help with the longevity of the drive.
I personally would not install software to just run an external drive .. Seagate says itself in the specs that it is not for MAC (I thought I just format it in the right file system and it is fine … but it's not … ).
But thanks for the solution and the link … :-) Might be an option to do this. I just used the drives as a second backup for my files (so I connect them maybe every half year to check if they are still fine … :-).
You don't even have to install it. It's 107KB in size and takes about 30MB of memory. It just runs by itself on startup and writes a file every so often to the HDD to stop it from sleeping (you can specify how often).
It's fire and forget.
Worth getting a couple of these for Raid 0?
Depends on application. I wouldn't recommend booting from these and using them as system drives.
The most common configuration you'd find these drives in would be JBOD, RAID 1, 5, 6, ZFS, unRAID etc.
At this price its still not the cheapest per TB.
Largest capacity drives never are, people buy them for the convenience of not needing more than one.
Im buying then so i have the convenience of 3 rather than 6 :)
Depends how you determine price per TB. If you are installing them in anything powered 24/7 you'll be using significantly less electricity, which probably negates the difference in the end.
Second, the convenience magoo mentions is sometimes necessity; If you are filling up a NAS (eg HP MicroServer N40L) the restricting factor is space and available SATA ports. With 2TB drives I can only fit 8TB raw storage compared to 16TB raw with these.
how do u add new drives to a an existing array?
Would you need to move all data from the RAID drives to another drive first and then rebuild new RAID with the new drive?
No, your RAID software or config tool will allow you to expand the RAID, and should then automatically balance the data for you
Depends on RAID type and the controller (or software).
I guess the comment i made was based on my situtation where it is only for back up. My last purchase was the 3TB wd for $99 deal.
Thanks for that; just what I needed. The price in AU came in at $147.00 on my AMEX.
Cheers
How did you get this price? Isn't it already $148.95 USD delivered?
WAT.
Love how the 2TB is cheaper than the 1TB.
Postage has gone up with Amazon since last year. (Is that experienced by others???) I bought two then, postage $19.19 Usd, but now postage would be $30.93 Usd for two Hard Drives.
Yeap.. postage went up significantly in the last 3-6 months… that said, amazon is still cheaper by some margin inclusive of postage on certain items..
Shame it's Seagate
Any chance this price is coming to Australia locally?
Otherwise, I guess I have to use citibank plus.
US$139.99 now ($10 higher)
Sweet.. drive has been shipped… estimated delivery 18th april.
this now costs A$178 delivered…pass!
it's back to US $129.99 = AU $160
-9 dollars by current promotion discount
Grand Total with shipping to Melbourne - AUD 155.12
What's the code?
closes newegg external hdd alternative - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178…
with shipping to australia Grand Total: $198.92
Shipping & handling from US to Perth Australia: US$18.96
HELP ME PLEASE, received today it only comes with a us plug what do I do now
check the box better. there should be other "adapters" in the box. you click out the US one and click in the aus one
edit: this is the best pic i could find, its not of the seagate brick but it works the same.
http://parts.com.hk/1/images/2seagate/seagate_adapter4_usb2.…
if yours isnt like that id be getting back in contact with them caus they have sent you something dodgy
Mine is like a fixed us cable :(
oh damn, sorry i got this deal mixed up with the same drive deal from big w
you can either carefully bend the pins so they end up looking like the australian pins (not really recommended, safe or advisable to do it this way, but its how ive always done it) or buy one of those cheap travel converters from ebay. just make sure either way you check the specs on the adapter is rated for 240v
or i guess you could take the power brick to an electronics store (dick smith etc) and buy an australian one of the same connection/voltage/amps as the US one
Alrighty so I can either buy a travel adapter us to aus or I can buy a generics power adapter but with ann aus plug set $2 for the travel adapter or $20 for the power adapter, I'm thinking the power adapter would be better but idk are the any cons to using a travel adapter
first up, when your replying to someone hit the "reply" link under the comment your replying to, keeps everything neater and easier to follow/understand
are the any cons to using a travel adapter
personally i hate the travel adapters. they make the wall wart stick out of the wall to far and can be bumped out easier etc. the warts are designed to be flat against the powerpoint but using an adapter moves them about an inch (2.5cm) out from the wall which means they have more weight where it was never designed to be. you might also like to check if the travel adapters suit australian standards caus i think a couple of the cheap ones ive been sent dont comply in which case could do things like void your home insurance etc.
there are probably more than that, but thats just what ive found and why i dont use them personally
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Seagate-Expansion-External-Ha…
There's this on ebay, I messaged the seller it will work with this hardrive should I just get it? All ozbargain members that bought this hardrive will have to work out something. I think this is good idk travel adapters are cheap but I agree they could be produced dodgy, I once bought a cheap ($2) iPhone charger from Hong Kong, 4 months later caught fire, anyways you reckon I should just get this adapter
that looks like what came with my drives. imho its the "best" option.
as for everyone else, i would assume some will use pliers to bend pins from | | to / \ as i do, some will use converters and some will just pull the drives out of the cases and use them internally. im just trying to give you options/pros/cons not telling you which of the ways will suit you best :)
Back down to US$129.
Thanks grabbed a few.
I don't think you need a travel adapter for this drive. I have the 3TB version and it came with multiple adapter heads, including US and AU.