Just awhile ago I decided to move from Apple to Samsung. However these Samsung products are terrible at conserving battery life, where I find my older iPad mini gen 1 trouncing the battery life of the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition. When leaving the tablet on standby, the battery discharge is terrible and the Galaxy note does not near the 9 hours promised.
I thought the idea of an S-pen was nifty and gave Android a chance. I'll be returning my Galaxy note and pay the premium for an iPad Air.
First world problems.
Either systems have their pros and cons; you have to decide what's right for you.
I tried brown rice but went back to white rice.
Brown rice 4 life. You white rice eaters will never understand how great brown rice is.
takes ages to cook. I would have consumed 9 pckts of 3min noodles before that stuff has time to cook.
You should have to sit on the can 9 times as long too.
Tastes better when mixing both. My preference is 3:1 white to brown.
Fragrance of the white with the bite of the brown.
I tried the opposite and liked it better. I recommend to add some salt to make musubi. Great for the kids
I was told that steaming brown rice then a light wok fry with some crispy vegies followed by a dash of soy tastes awesome. Ive yet to try that.
It is
are you suggesting that Samsung is brown rice? and apple is White???? :P
My S4 battery life is great, never had a problem.
This article suggests the s4 thrashes the iPhone 5 battery life:
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smartphones/1300795/samsung-g…
So it might not be as simple as saying Samsung products are terrible when you have only tested one
But in real life, it is not the same as their testings suggests…
I found the battery life on my S4 terrible. I'd get 3 days out of an iphone battery but 1 day (to several hours) on the S4. It seemed to constantly want to connect to a sattelite and was draining the battery. Had a techie friend check it out and couldn't work out why it was wanting to do it all the time either so we ended up diabling GPS.
hang on wait you get how many days out of 1 full charge? lol even brand new, my iPhone didn't least more than 1 and a half days
Just turn off mobile data and wifi. It'll last way longer. ;)
So basically turn a $500+ smartphone into a $50 phone?
Yup. That way you'll get $50-phone-battery-life.
People who expect 3 day battery life and use their smartphone like a smartphone should be used, would be disappointed with any smartphone today. The closest would be the new crop of phones - S5, M8, Note 3. And probably the Z2.
Depends on how much you use your phone. I really don't use it all that much. Might make one phone call a week on it. Barely use it for internet etc (as most days I'm attached to a computer and not allowed my mobile at work). At most I might send two or three texts. People know email is the easier way to get in contact with me.
Last time I looked at a phone bill I'd used about 2 hours of talk time and 100MB of data for the month.
I took my phone off charge on Friday morning and didn't recharge it until Sunday night this weekend and it had just gone into the 'red' zone.
OK, with that sorta usage, 3 days can probably be expected. But you've gotta agree, your kind of usage isn't the norm! :)
People use their phones differently. I don't really consider anything the norm.
That being said, the battery life on my iphone is bad when I actually need it. I was driving around Fiji last year using it as a GPS. Forgot to bring a car charge cable. The phone lasted about 4 hours.
At least with the Samsungs you can take a spare battery with you.
For me the reason I went back to my iphone was because of Samsung's appaling customer service. To me that was a pretty important thing. 6 weeks to assess the problem only for them to play ball because I threatened to sue them over it. I just don't want to deal with that crap.
I then used my refund to book a holiday to Vietnam and can't afford a new phone :)
People use their phones differently. I don't really consider anything the norm.
Yes, but surely you can see that your usage is quite unusual for a smartphone user.
For me the reason I went back to my iphone was because of Samsung's appaling customer service
Looks like they might be improving. I had a faulty power button on my Note 3. I brought it in to the service centre in Brisbane, they said they're waiting on some replacement stock. If it had arrived, they would just swap my phone on the spot. They weren't sure when it was coming in, so I decided to just let them send it to Sydney to get repaired. They mailed it back to me within a week.
About a year ago when I had the Note 2, I dropped it on a rock and cracked the screen. I got a quote from Samsung to get it replaced and accepted it.. but after about 2 weeks or so they rang and said they couldn't get the part anytime soon, so they gave me a brand-new boxed phone for the same price as the screen replacement ($260).
I returned my phone in January, so there's hope.
They have no service centre in Canberra. They even suggested I drive to Wollongong to have it assessed. I ended up taking it back to JB where I got it from and made them send it back.
Still 6 weeks to assess it is not on compared to walking into an Apple Store.
LOL @ the downvotes.. love the Fandroids…
My apple friends think samsung users are jerks
My samsung friends think apple users are skrej
Life goes on and no one changes their opinions even though each thinks they have.
One day they'll all grow up, but by then there will be a new player and new products we haven't even thought about
Really? 3 days battery on a iphone?
May i make a conjecture?
You got so excited about the big screen on the s4 that you constantly kept using it.
You were so bored of the small iphone screen that you hardly touched it.
Lastly, I'd like to offer an opinion of self-proclaimed techies. Just because they can afford to buy the "latest and greatest" does not make them a techie. I do not consider myself a techie but i've met self-proclaimed techies that are … in a simple word.. useless.
"It seemed to constantly want to connect to a sattelite and was draining the battery" seemed to sum it up pretty well, ie I was NOT using it and the battery was draining out of it as it constantly tried to connect to GPS. I cannot use my mobile at work. I have to lock it up in a little box. I would lock it up in that little box in the morning with a full charge. I'd take it out of the box in the afternoon and it would have no power left. When I turned off GPS I'd get a full days charge by the end of it and would often get 2 days charge then but it got annoying every time I wanted to use GPS I'd have to manually turn it on and turn it off.
"I'd like to offer an opinion of self-proclaimed techies" - no this is a techie who is a professional techie and does a very nerdy techie job for very important organisations. He knows his stuff.
User error much?
You put a phone in a metal box with data and GPS on and you wonder why it has no battery left when you open the box..
It's spent the entire time screaming out to be heard through the Faraday cage you put it in. Any device that you tell to connect to GPS or Mobile networks will do the same, even a 2005 Nokia that normally gets a week of battery life!)
Who said metal?
Also did it when I was out on the street and at home.
You'd also have a valid point except my iphone is also a device which connects to a Mobile and GPS network is locked in said box and it doesn't do it.
I had few hrs battery life on the S4. Then found that Samsung had a massive batch of faulty batteries on the S4. I got a free replacement and now my battery lasts more than a day. Maybe you should check into that.
My s4 (i9506; quad core with LTE) is always on 4G and has sync and live wallpaper enabled. It absolutely trounces my iPhone 4S in terms of battery life. Also, I have a $50 battery pack that I use when I run out of juice. Quick swap and I'm back at 100%. :)
Me too. Removable battery pack is ingenious
My s4 beats my iphone by a mile. I still use both and my s4 will last all day where as my iphone will die half way through even if im not using it which I dont. Samsung for me have been 100% better than shitty apple products. Posting this on my new galaxy note now :)
Haven't used an S4 but I hate my iphone 5's battery. When it first came out there were battery drain issues, after latest ios update there're more battery issues, and half the time the thing shuts down on 20% battery (have to try battery recalibration).
Such a disappointment compared to my ipad 2 - I can leave that in the draw for a couple weeks and it still has a decent charge.
Every now and again a device stands out among its peers, and the iPad 2 wqs probably the best one. Been out for years and still not worth upgrading from.
I put the SGS2 I'm this category. The fact they are still selling them for 200 today is a testament to this. If you bought one when it first came out you could still be using it.
I still use mine :) bought from new and does everything I need it to do.
and the OP is talking about his tablet… so whats the phone got to do with the discussion?
OP said 'Samsung products are terrible at conserving battery life.' To me that covers phones.
He is basing his opinion of all Samsung battery life from one of their products.
Actually thats can be seen a little out of context when you skip one qualifier they said
these Samsung products are terrible at conserving battery life
Then talked about the Note that he had bought.
No phone word in his post.
But accept that in the inflamed atmosphere that this post generated, it would require a little careful reading to get the correct nuances.
ummm you have entered a conversation stream posted by @SirFibbled (if you scroll up) in regards to his Samsung S4 lasting barely a day and his iPhone lasting up to 3 days.
Ummn
No this is conversation stream started
MemE on 06/04/2014 - 23:34 ¶
But I guess the points are made and the threads dying anyway
if you want to be a smartass, the conversation stream about mobile phones in particular started with @SirFibbled reply to @MemE which was the 2nd indent of that post lol.
and ye, its kinda died off. I only got into it because i'm also an iPhone user, but unlike many other users, i find the Samsung products are also just as good, if not with better physical features.
Nokia master race, my $200 lumia 720 lasts 3 or more days on a full charge with heavy facebook and music usage
Maybe your wifi settings are set to be always on, even during sleep mode?
Almost guaranteed.
Holden is heaps better than Ford.
Unless you bought a Vectra. Personally my best vehicles were Toyotas and I don't think any other car would give me 21 good years (and still run well with the original motor) as my old Camry did.
A lot of hold-ons are now made in Korea! I have a hold-on and its battery life is fantastic, this is due to the fact that when I start the car the battery charges. Cool huh?
Oh this is a battle of Samsung v Iphone. Woops!
this is due to the fact that when I start the car the battery charges
this is the same in all cars…
Because battery life is the only criteria for choosing a tablet?
I find my older iPad mini gen 1 trouncing the battery life of the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition
Yeah, that makes my Nokia 3310 a more superior phone than any current smartphone on the market.
Did you decide to get it checked under warranty before generalizing all Samsung products?
Ms vs Mrs. Both are different, yet the same - depend on which app being used.
When there is an issue, my preference is iPad.
Download "wakelock" see whats using the battery
http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/04/wakelock-detector-shows…
This comment looks like an obvious troll or shill.
Although i do LOVE the answer about the Nokia 3310 :)
Like some people have said - check your settings.
I guess you are a Master Noob.
i regret reading this post.
Me too :(
Is this post a joke?
Your called MasterNoob and your saying you prefer Apple over Samsung. Sounds like a Samsung Fandroid joke(noobs prefer Apple over Android).
If it is real, I'm not sure if they'll give you a full refund merely because your iPad mini has a better battery life.
Are you and the Philips guy friends, maybe you should be. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/139490
Is there a forum for first world problems?
Want Productivity, come to Microsoft! We have everything.
Sounds like he's a yuppie isheep, just wants to be cool not productive
That post was deep, man. So deep.
Update: With a bit of some research, I disabled the Samsung Push Service which tripled my tablet's battery life.
Push shouldn't be using battery life… that's the point of it being push…
My guess is you have WiFi set to be continuously active even when the screen is off as pointed out above.
You can also set up wifi to turn itself off when the screen is off.
I am guessing the wifi is causing push to always do something e.g. get weather or get email, and preventing the tablet from going into deep sleep.
There is software which can identify these programs which prevents the tablet from going into Deep Sleep.
I have one and it can idle (e.g. sit around in a cupboard) still on, for around 2 weeks before it runs out of power.
Wifi wasn't the issue, I always turn wifi off on my phones and tablets when I leave it on standby.
you're thinking of fetch, not push. Push DOES use a lot of battery life.
Fetch can use more power than push if you set a low fetch interval.
Push power consumption will also depend on the mobile network you're connected to. The phone sends a PING to the mail server asking if there are any new items. The phone then keeps the connection open and stands by for a response. For Exchange, it waits for 15 minutes (the heartbeat interval). No data is being transferred so power consumption is low.
If a new mail comes in, the server lets the phone know about it. The phone then syncs the new item over, and the heartbeat interval restarts.
If after 15 mins no response is received, the phone concludes the connection has been dropped and halves the heartbeat interval for the next connection. It keeps going down and up until it receives a response and saves that as the final heartbeat interval.
The last time I checked (quite a few years ago), Optus only supported a heartbeat interval of somewhere between 1-3 minutes. Three supported the full 15 minutes. That meant a push device on Three would have better battery life than one on Optus.
Wait a second… you aren't the guy who made a new topic just to say that are you?
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/139598
All of Ozbargain needs to know about this groundbreaking discovery.
I was considering to post it as a deal.
So now I'm, curious, if you have doubled or tripled your battery life (referring to your other post), and the battery life was your main concern, do you still regret switching? Or do you just regret not buying an iDevice?
I'm willing to give this device a second chance. I never expected Samsung products to better Apple products in battery life because of their focus on tech performance, but the original discharge of my tablet on standby was just ridiculous.
The battery life of my Note 10.1 also conserves a lot more battery now while in use.
Check the power info to make sure that Google services is not using up all your battery life. It is turn off (i think its something like) location reporting in the google app.
Turn off WiFi and data when not in use.
Google services had a bug which chewed up battery make sure you update that.
Push service is only chewing up that much because you allow it to. See above about data.
Hi,
As the guy said earlier, pro's and con's
Detachable battery is a bonus for me with Samsung Phones.
A lot of the battery performance depends what is running (apps, processes) and brightness too. I changed from Iphone 4 to the Galaxy S2, and have never looked back. I think Apple generally have a better build quality, but I love the flexibility you get with Android.
My Advice for poor battery performance, do you research on roms, and kernels (rooted)
then look at what apps are running, syncs, brightness… etc etc.. I think most smart phones now will be lucky to last a full day, but it is possible :)
Its suprising how an app can eat your battery, especially with gps usage too etc
Android for me any day :)
Yup, totally agree.
My wife used to be a Apple fan, she would think any other phone = crap.
I switched her over to the S2, she didn't like it at first, but liked it more and more. Then when she got her Note 2, she was finally convinced that Android > Apple.
Lol, now every time I get her a new phone, I tease her saying "lets get the new iPhone"… she gets pissed off and says "WTF, heck no….", now she wants to upgrade to the Galaxy Note 3.
Apple's build quality is better (other than their 'C'heap series), however Apple has fallen behind nowadays, even their stocks reflect impending doom (Suprisingly EXACTLY the same trend as Microsoft Stocks before they dropped heaps).
http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/is-apple-the-micro…
Unless Apple comes out with something innovative other than the 10yr old interface, then they are gonna become the new Nokia.
The biggest issue with me and I have both apple and android is the permissions required when installing android apps, they really do take the piss. I don't have all this permission crap with apple :/
Depends though, good in one way bad in another. Wonder if there is an app to block the permissions window in Google Play, I know there is one for not displaying permissions request for manually installed programs e.g. from APK.
They aren't that intrusive, as they only ask for permission the first time. If you need to update, they don't ask for permissions unless it has changed since the last update.
Some people want to know what they are getting into especially with the internet, your sms or contacts could be shared with some unscrupulous person half way around the world.
If you want to support developers even if they have apps on Apple, you should support them through Android! Apple takes ALOT bigger chunk of the profit from developers than Android does.
Really?
Pressing "Accept" is that difficult for you?
Is creating a good response that difficult for you?, why should I just click "Accept" when at that screen it reveals that it wants to read your contacts and sms's?
For example Facebook now wants to read your sms & mms (err no thanks)
Anyhow here's an interesting read about both systems http://www.thegadgetmasters.com/2013/03/06/iphone-apps-steal…
You shouldn't just blindly click Accept… that's the whole point about showing you the permissions. You should read through them and if an App is asking for permissions it shouldn't need, it should make you suspicious.
Apple don't reveal the permissions you're giving the app and somehow you think their system is better?
why should I just click "Accept" when at that screen it reveals that it wants to read your contacts and sms's?
If you don't want to know about or care about what data an app can access, just blindly press Accept. You seem happy to do that with Apple after all.
You can't argue with fanboys or idiots…worse then they are both.
Glad to see you can admit that. ;)
He raises valid concerns about Android 3rd party applications having access to too personal data and Android having worse power management to iOS.
They are valid points, eug.
He never mentioned power management in this thread.
Did he have the same concerns about iOS before iOS 6? The Path debacle made Apple change their restrictions so now they will be asked for - permission - if they want to grant access.
In both cases, most people will blindly accept anyway.
But seriously, is pressing "Accept" that difficult? Is that one extra dialog box really causing so much drama?
Both systems have their advantages / disadvantages but at least with apple you get asked if you want to allow the app to read contacts / photos etc and you have the option to click "cancel" and still use the app.
With android if you don't like the permissions that it wants you can't use it - it's all or nothing.
As an android/ios developer I don't want to ask for permissions that i don't use but at the same time I want to provide features that might be useful to a subset of my users. I need to make a decision for android between extra functionality or not asking for permissions I mostly don't need.
it's all or nothing.
There are several privacy apps around to control permissions.
Whilst that might by the case because there is no official API it means developers can't properly handle cases where they aren't allowed access to a certain resource - this is a fundamental security feature that should be built into android.
and you have the option to click "cancel" and still use the app.
OK, that's a valid point. The OP only said:
The biggest issue … is the permissions required when installing android apps, they really do take the piss. I don't have all this permission crap with apple
Which just sounds like he's whining about clicking an Accept button.
AppOps is coming anyway. Soon, hopefully.
Running KitKat ROM with app opps. Yeah, the fine grain control is awesome, I can install the app and then deny some of the permissions that I don't deem neccessary.
I don't have all this permission crap with apple
Yes you do, it's just implemented differently.
App permissions is certainly something Android need to address (The whole "Allow" or "Deny" at install nonsense), and with the "accidental" release/discovery of AppOps, it would seem they're working on it.
Battery doesn't last on Samsung phones no dobut about it. BUT its still cheap to a replacement battery
I like android and apple for different reasons, and I'm glad to be able to own both gadgets. Meanwhile, the kids in Africa are tossing up whether to drink dirty creek water or walk a few kilometres to find clean bore water…
I'm with you on this one, the look at me generation don't give a toss if your starving as long they have the latest toy.
To be fair, Samsung's tablets were never in real competition with Apple's Ipad. It's their phones the galaxy range that stands up to Iphone, or some would say superior. So yes, OP's generalisation of the inferiority of Samsung's products is totally unfounded and biased when it's only just based on his single experience of tablets. I say because I own best of both worlds, Samsung's S4 and Ipad Air..each has its downside and upside.
It's going to be interesting to see how iPad trumps their Air; it's a relatively impressive product hardware wise; my only annoyance with it is how much heat it produces but that's not something that will be solved in the near future.
He seems to be an Apple fan boy scared to get out of his own a little Apple world.
I actually think he raises valid points. Android really does need to make some strides in power management and application access to personal data. iOS really needs to make some strides in better hardware (SD cards would be nice, large batteries and others), OS customisation and openness to things like launchers and widgets. But yeah, I suppose those who consider themselves in one camp or the other can sweep them under the rug.
ok good bye