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Microsoft Surface Pro 64GB Tablet $677.00 at Harvey Norman Full Windows
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128GB version is better value at $766
500GB PS3 is better value at $199 ;)
I really hope you're joking…
Or at least compare same capacity…which makes then iPad $800. ($700 for 32GB if you kind of compare available capacity)The other comparisons are based on what you want it to do - but for productivity, can't compare between windows and iOS. Windows wins any day. Then you have a digitizer as well…
The 128GB version has 83GB free space while the 64GB has 23GB after the default software is installed. I believe a sizable amount comes from the recovery partition so some more space should be salvaged if it is deleted. http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/29/surface-pro-hdd-space/
There's a microSDXC card slot available to bring the total up another 64GB but it's a lot slower than the SSD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive#Comparison_w…
23GB for installed programs is so miniscule that I'd rather go for the 128GB.
The 128GB version has 83GB free space while the 64GB has 23GB after the default software is installed.
That's based on early figures which were incorrect. The 128GB has 89GB and the 64GB has 29GB free -before the recovery partition is deleted.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/29/3929110/surface-pro-disk-s…After cleaning up the 64GB model, you can get around 40GB:
http://www.surfaceforums.net/forum/microsoft-surface-pro/361…
Microsoft store has the 128Gb at $769 with free shipping.
The 64gb is $679 with free shipping.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/Surface-…The student version is more expensive. Not sure if Microsoft will give a 10% student discount.
Touch Cover is still $69.99 (Type Cover 2 is much better).
Damn, so tempted.. it does have a microSD slot too (and usb 3 port)
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I got the 512GB one… a bit heavy as a tablet I think. My Zenbook more lighter.
Well, they gave you $25 MS credit, 200GB skydrive for two years and 1 year unlimited skypeI've been trying to order the surface pro 2 from the microsoft store… but it's been outta stock.
I wonder if it's worth buying the 1st gen for $250 less…
The 1st gen battery might be an issue, 4 hours max. The 2nd gen can last 7 hours…
There's a powerered keyboard about to be released to boost battery endurance: http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/Power-Co…
tempting… very tempting indeed. if you're a uni student (you may not have the money, but the extra batt life might be worth it). might be about future proofing: is $250 worth a different logo, almost double the batt life, 2 mode kickstand. Can't think of much else, I guess the skype and skydrive bonuses as well?
I think what I'm gonna do now is to just buy a 1st gen… And get the next one if it's worth upgrading.
I'm mainly gonna use it for uni anyway(especially the pen), that just means I need to remember to charge every time I'm gonna bring it.yeh im thinking of uni as well, so i don't necessarily want to be tied down to a powerpoint, had a bad experience with using my phone batt life and don't wanna go back :p
what would you use the pen for? I'm trying to see if it would be good to use the digitizer for notes, but i mean nothing beats good old pen and paper (esp if you're doing graphs in maths/engo). imo anyway.
My uni is ungrading the facilities so there will be a proper desk for each student, and of course a powerpoint will be included, so I guess finger crossed(?)… Of course it's better if I don't need to use one.
The pen I'll be using for drawing graphs, cause I find it a lot easier to manage digital files, and I'll just be typing notes, as it's tidy and clear.
As an IT student we basically don't use pen and paper anymore, I feel like I don't really know how to write anymore.
OneNote is an insanely good office suite. Prety much as good as pen and paper, minus the scribbling.
I've always had issues drawing 5x5 matrices neatly, one note pretty much digitises handriting on command, lets you search for words aswell.
I fully agree! After using the stylus-equipped Galaxy Notes and Thinkpad Tablet 1 (android), the biggest issue was the quality of the note-taking apps on Android compared to OneNote, which I had already been using for a while on my old tablet laptop. There's really nothing else that even comes close for inking on any platform IMHO.
haha damn, i know that feel bro. man even more so inclined to get one now…
JB Hifi did a deal for us that was better than the MS store education discount without even batting an eyelid, so it is worth a shot asking them about that. My partner works at a uni, so we would have been able to get the discount on the Microsoft store anyway, but it was nicer to get it straight away from a physical store. We went for the 128GB and got a micro SD to expand the memory, plus the type 2 cover, but I am going to think about getting the cover that extends battery life at a later date when it is available in Aus.
I want the Surface 2 Pro 256Gb but they are pretty rare. Hopefully some good deals after xmas
You can extend the battery on these by changing the power settings to only use 75% CPU when not plugged in. This was giving me a good couple of hours more life and performance decrease wasn't noticeable for normal usage. Picked up this tip from several websites so it's apparently a common thing to try.
They're nice devices - kinda heavy compared to other tablets but if you need full-blown Windows it's a good solid piece of kit.
Edit: having tried the Surface Pro 2, the 2-stage kickstand is a nice improvement though. The V1 is at a pretty steep angle.
Great price.
Here's hoping that his time next year there will be 10x the competition, which could possibly mean half the price for the same performance as the WSP2.
I'm waiting till then.
Anyone here own one of these? I hear the biggest complaint is the app support in comparison to an android or apple tablet.
This is a full PC in tablet form and runs the full Windows 8. You are confusing this with the non pro Windows surface which runs a cut down version of Windows called Windows RT.
The SP is better compared with a macbook air with touch screen support which doesn't exist.
What is the difference between Surface Pro compare with Dell Latitude?
This Dell Latitude? These are running Dual Core Atom's which aren't as powerful as the Surface Pro's i5 Ivy Bridge processors I believe.
Dell has an updated competitor to the Surface Pro 2, this is the Dell Venue 11. There are pro's and cons with both devices :)
Troll.
sigh, kinda sad to see that OzB is starting to attract trolls.
and you didn't post a deal??
Tell us where to find it today at $601 and you have a valid point. otherwise not worth the neg
Don't just revoke the neg, at least tell us where you got it… not a true ozbargainer….
I didn't revoke the neg, and I got it from jb.. read the comment properly
i assume it was salesperson haggling, rather than actually advertised price if this is true
Any opinions on this vs the Samsung Ativ PC? I'm more leaning towards the Ativ cause it includes Samsung apps and has a built in holder for the pen
If Nexus 7 vs Samsung galaxy tab, which will go for? The answer is obvious for your question.
Such a good test, and very true. Galaxy tab for me it is.
Not sure how much the ativs are now but i think they're in the 6-700 range aswell on sale.
Ativ pros:
Bigger screen
Access to msata drive without voiding warranty (cheaper upgrade per gb)
Pen holderSurface Pro (pros):
Build and feel
display port out (if you have a monitor over 1080p)Both have ivy bridge processors, wacom digitisers. Keyboard dock on the ativ is horrible. Samsung apps is useless, don't buy it for that.
Should I wait for Dell Venue 11 Pro price to go down or should I buy this one!!!!!!!!
Here are my thoughts SP2 vs Dell Venue 11 Pro
Pros
- Price I believe is overall cheaper (for the base model, SP2 is 64GB, Dell is 128GB - $1019 vs $999)
- More useful accessories ("Type Cover", notebook keyboard option, tablet dock has more output options)
- Slightly lighter (0.79 vs ~0.9)Cons
- Digitizer is not as good supposedly (I'm not even sure if the stylus is bundled with the device).
- Processor is not as powerful ('Y' vs 'U' mobile processor, as well as i3 vs i5 for the base model)and yeh that's pretty much all i can think of atm. in terms of SP1 vs Dell Venue 11 Pro, I guess it comes down to how important longer batt life is for you
just to note, the SP2 battery life is longer only if idling. Under load, the SP1 and SP2 have similar battery life. SP2 is slightly longer, but pretty close.
really? define "similar" lol. Aandtech reported a 76% increase on batt life or something like that on their website browsing simulation
Go to the Battery Life section:
http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-surface-pro-2-review-better-b…
When idle, the SP2 lasts waaaay longer than the SP1. But under load, it's pretty similar. In fact I just noticed that strangely, the first Surface Pro lasts longer under load. They're estimates but since they're based on power draw, should translate well.
In normal use there'll be lots of idle periods though, so the SP2 will last longer. But people who are using it under load a lot (e.g. photoshop/lightroom, premiere, encoding videos, that sorta stuff) might not see that big an improvement in battery life.
Ah k, fair enough, wasn't aware of those differences in idle/load. Just a note that there was a recent firmware update which did boost it up a notch if that counts for anything.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7478/microsoft-surface-pro-2-f…
vs SP2
- User replaceable battery (like in laptops)
- Cheaper (even when packaged with accessories)
- Lighter
- Thinner
- Two keyboards (with and w/o battery) and dock option
- Kickstand with keyboards
- Y processor is better than U (performance and battery usage wise)
- MicroSD can take upto 128GB card (only 64GB in SP2)
- Dual-Band 2x2 802.11 ac WiFi
- NFC
- WiDi (Wireless Display)
- i5, 256GB, 8GB RAM option available as well (again cheaper than SP2)
- Good build quality (even with plastic body)
- Digitizer issue has been fixedI think Dell beats SP2 in every aspect (except for the magnesium casing SP2 have).
Y is better than U
Are you sure about that? The Y processor isn't as powerful, I see that as a trade off. (only if you're concerned with benchmarks)
There is actually only a $30 price difference between the i5 versions of the Dell Venue Pro 11 and Surface Pro 2 (128GB, 4GB RAM). And I can't even see a pricing available for a 256GB, 8GB RAM version for the Pro 11 on the Dell AU website so not sure where you're getting that from.
And from what I can tell the stylus isn't included with the device.
Kickstand with keyboards
Is that supposed to be an advantage? SP2 has an integrated kickstand.
Two keyboards (with and w/o battery) and dock option
This I somewhat agree with. I would say there are more options, a notebook keyboard/type cover and more display outputs on the desktop dock. The SP2 still offers similar accessories - type cover/touch cover 2/power cover with extra battery. However these are backlit, whereas the Dell keyboards are not.
In regards to the digitizer it was not (to my knowledge) a firmware issue. if they're using synaptic it's inferior to wacom on SP2.
And don't forget SkyDrive 200GB + Skype calling offer.
As you said I would argue the SP2 does have a better build quality, this may be a matter of opinion though. Everything else I would agree with, as I said there are pro's and cons.
Not knocking the Venue 11 Pro.
I am considering it against the Surface Pro 2 (which I have).
The Baytrail atom doesn't seem to be offered in Australia.
But there seems to be a lot of problems with the stylus and batteries running flat.
Or stylus not registering properly on screen (which may be inter-related).There's also a considerable delay in getting the Venue 11 into country. That's not to say Microsoft is any better. The online store and most shops are out of the 256gb version. The 512gb pops up on the Microsoft Store every once in a while.
Keyboard with power seems to be shipping now.
Docking station seems pretty good.Dell uses lower power CPU - pluses and minuses.
too heavy … but under $1000 for this weight and cpu power is so tempting…
i might buy if it doesnt sold out before sundayAre you sure you want to wait? $677 for an i5 with solid build quality and microsd slot is pretty good. It might sell out quick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDaEnSBoImM
worry about this issue, need to bring all gears to HN to test before buy .
3 with the same problem - I'd probably look at his cables or TV!
does pro 1 support miracast?
8.1 does so when you upgrade to it, it should work.
Isn't that the same as WiDi by Intel? What's the difference?
Can anybody advise if it would be better for me to purchase the tablet here and then take it overseas for GST refund…or should I just look for one in Hong Kong??? (Might be cheaper there??) TIA
I would rather purchase it here and claim GST. Local warranty is good, and you might have trouble finding it in HK since it's an old model.
This is tempting, especially being a Uni student. Although I already have a Galaxy Note 10.1…
From what I read, this is the full fledged Windows 8 OS. How is the compatibility for programs now that 8.1 has been released??
My desktop running Win8.1 has no issues, I guess if you don't have anything too special it's fine.
Would you know how it fair with old games?, thinking of playing some old-school games(such as BG,ID,etc) if it is possible?
Microsoft store is selling it for $679 (64GB) and $769 (128GB)
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/Surface-…
only draw back for this system is the battery…
otherwise.. even at 64 GB after 8.1, it is still a great contender for productivity tablet. Installing office and some odd ball software can still make it work.