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Why waste your money on a 650D body when you can have a 7D body for this price
He wants the twin lens kit, not just the body.
They're completely different camera's too and suit different people and situations.How are they completely different?
Obviously the 7D has all the extra bells and whistles but at the core, they are the same as they have the same APS-C sensor.
exactly
To the average user, they are similar. To someone who truly uses the functions of a 7D, it is extremely different to a 650D including the sensor. 650D has a better (debatable) sensor.
Some things like 1/8000 shutter vs 1/4000 shutter does make a difference. Try using a camera with 1/4000 limitation with a fast prime like a f1.2 on a sunny day (vide: sunny 16 rule). Sure it's 1 stop difference only, but that 1 stop makes a huge difference. You don't even need a 1.2, even the using the el cheapo 1.8 and you'll feel it.
Other bits that are excellent: 3 custom modes, AF, top mount LCD with easy buttons, joy stick, nice chunky body, CF card, 8 fps, Excellent video controls (latest firmware), magic lantern support, etc.
TLDR: Average user, same same. Advanced user, but not the same. 7D is a different beast altogether.
650D is better for video.
And definitely IQ as well. 7D is outdate but it's still a good camera. At the end of this month, Canon will introduce 70D and or 7D Mark II.
No. 650D does not have ISO control for video, magic lantern support (IMO IMPT), etc.
The only advantage is ability to focus while recording… which if you're really into videos, you won't use the video AF anyway.
So IMO. it's not better for video.
7D II at the end of the month? LoL. Right. Where have i heard that one before?
The body itself is quite old though - 3+ years.
Yes, but still a very good model.
(They give you a new one.) The 5D Mk 2 is the same age and still popular.
A deal on the 60D body please? :)
Which one is better 6D or 7D?
you have failed the test..:p. the smaller the number the better the camera
So the 60D is an old piece of shit?
Haha I know (inside humour) If the 1D is Canon's best performing camera it obviously works down
Essentially yes,
5D > 6D > 7D > 60D > 650D > 600D > 1100D etc.
FAIL.
You must be a Nikon user.6D released FEW MONTHS ago, and 7D released FEW YEARS ago…
lol…
What happens when they reach 1D?
1D is the top of the line for Canon DSLR
They add MARK II, III … to it.
6D is the new model and 7D is the older one.
Great price for the 7D though Rep!
Remember they are completely different cameras though. The 6D is more like a 5D MkII replacement.
Most would say 6D - it's a full frame.
6D - Full Frame.
7D - Faster burst rate, better auto focus (better for sports).Most would probably consider 6D better. A 6D costs more than a 7D.
6D only has 1 center af crosstype point. 7D has 19!
7D is therefore better… for AF only.
6D is full frame… 7D is not.
6D is therefore better…. for bokeh only.
I can go on an on all day. Different camera…. different PRICE range… different uses and target users.
If you don't know which one is better… learn before you buy. If you seriously need to ask such a question rather than googling it… or learning… why waste your $$ to stay in the green P mode?
6D is full frame and better for low light too. Video is supposed to be excellent on 6D too.
6D experiences more morie than the 7D for video.
I'm oldschool… I use the center AF point 99% of the time.
uhmmm okay. If you don't wish to use the tools in front of you… then so be it. I know a lot of people back from the film days uses center focusing and then compose. Have you tried it with a fast prime? Say 1.0? If you had you'd understand that it's bad to do that with any fast primes due to the razor thin DOF. Even then, people were using trial and error with MANUAL FOCUS to achieve their results.. and could learn and compensate only after the film has been developed.
Take my advice, LEARN to use all your points… unless you don't have any fast primes that is. Nailing focus will be much… much easier.
My main fast prime is a manual lens. I had to change my camera's focusing screen to use it properly. I shoot video as well, so am very used to manual focus.
I'm not an extreme shallow DoF person and I very, very rarely do macro photography, which is why 99% of the time I'm happy with focus-and-recompose. When it comes to landscapes, a million focus points is even more pointless (ha ha).
I'm glad you find them useful, but they're just a "nice to have" feature for me. I remember the first time I looked at a 7D viewfinder - the mess of focus points in the middle looked annoying, it felt like it was getting in the way of composition. I would probably eventually get used to it though.
Take my advice and REALIZE that different people have different shooting styles and subjects. A million focus points could be completely, utterly useless in some scenarios, handy but unnecessary in others, and extremely useful in yet others. Proper composition is far more important than how many focus points your camera has.
"Full Frame is only useful for producing Bokeh" ~ No one ever.
Yeah do a deal on the 60D if you want a drastic increase in sales
Man this is sooo cheap! I remember buying my 7D when it first came out at almost $2k!!!!
7D is old man, they're just clearing out old stock
Rumors of a mk II coming
I paid $1300 last year and that was a pretty good price
Its a lot of camera for 896 bucks!
LoL. I paid more than $2k when the 7D first came out.
whys it so cheap? 650d body & 50mm f/1.8 lense is only $620 inc shipping. pretty good
dont forget, i believe the listed price EXCLUDE the hidden paypal surcharge and insurance [optional]
Damn… must resist… must wait for 7DII… must….. precious…..
Get a 6D?
It'll still be better than a 7D Mk II.
http://www.digitalrev.com/article/canon-eos-550d-vs-7d/NTI0N…
You'll find a 600D (newer model of 550D with a flip out screen) for cheaper. Unless you need weatherproofing, and more focus points that don't seem to be all that more useful in the 7D for what most consumers need, something like the newer 600D would be a better option.
Good pricing on the 7D, but not so great when compared to other options available today IMO.
nope, imo go a 60d when you're starting, give the 600d a miss and anything below that
few reasons why:
still uses a sd card
still has a flip out screen
better battery life
better noise performance (not personally tested, but im going off specs)
weather sealing (youll start to appreciate this)
pentaprism viewfinder (when i moved up to the 6d, big difference)there are more benefits, but im not gonna list them all
650d if you really plan on using the stepping motor on some lenses
I was just comparing what newer and cheaper options are available that's similar in image quality to the quite old 7D. Of course the 60D is better than the 600D, but the benefits aren't going to be applicable to most consumers. I personally find a spending a bit more on a better lens gives better photos than spending a bit more for a small bump up in specs and performance (such as at really high ISO). Oh, and a weather proof body doesn't protect most affordable consumer based lens.
Agree, although personally I found the top panel LCD is the most useful feature. Unless you shoot auto all the time, if you actually utilise aperture/shutter mode, the LCD panel saves you heaps of time!
So should I get this when I am new to DSLRs?
I need a new camera and want to go SLR. Am I better off going for something simpler and cheaper?Very cheap price. If you can afford it, go for it. All cameras are very similar except for usable ISO. A good lens is a few hundred dollars. If you are enthusiastic about taking photos go the expensive route. The standard 18-55 lens is quite poor, is available for about $100 and has very little reach. Why not borrow or hire a camera for the weekend with a good lens and flash and see how you go. When using the flash point it up to the ceiling.
The advice my friends (who know a fair bit about photography) gave me:
Don't spend too much on the body when you are new to DSLR, save your money and get a decent lens. Unfortunately, some people new to DSLR don't realise the importance of the lenses until after they bought the DSLR body. Avoid twin lens kit.
If unsure, talk to one of your mates who has a DSLR.
I second this- definitely invest more on lenses than you do on the camera body. A good body will last you for a while, a good lens (if properly maintained) will last you for life.
For a beginner I would not recommend getting the 7D at all- it is overkill and not relevant to your needs. Get a XXXXD or XXXD series if you're sticking with Canon (e.g. 1100D, 600D, 650D) as they're targeted at the consumer level and offer all the necessary features that a novice would need. They're also cheaper, so you can invest more on a better lens than the provided kit lens.
A sample kit you could have for a lower price than this body alone:
- Canon 600D $459
- Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 $287
- Canon 50mm f/1.8 $99
= $845
And that's not even looking for the cheapest prices available- the prices I listed are simply from DWI. You can definitely find cheaper on all these items- I saw the 600D body selling for $432 at JB HiFi Sydney, and historically there's been cheap deals for all of the aforementioned items ($400 for 600D body, $218 for Tamron 17-50, $84 Canon 50mm)
"For a beginner I would not recommend getting the 7D at all- it is overkill and not relevant to your needs"
Completely disagree. If you can get a Lexus for the price of a Toyota it is not overkill, it is a good deal.
The 7D can do everything the xxD or xxxD can do but better. That's why the 7D cost twice as much as the 60D.
"Not relevant to your needs" ??? Rubbish. A person's needs are to take a photo, sometimes in difficult conditions. Whichever setting you use on the camera, P,A,S,M or the 'picture' settings, there is nothing mysterious about a more advanced camera. Leave all the esoteric settings on default and go from there.
Bad advice is the worst thing you can give away for free.
If you can get a Lexus for the price of a Toyota it is not overkill, it is a good deal.
I'm sorry, I don't see where the $459 600D I listed is the same price as this 7D for $895. Please enlighten me.
Unfortunately for many the almost-double price difference is a significant factor. For your average consumer-level shooter, would the 7D bring twice the benefit of a 600D? I hardly think so.
Let's have a look at the benefits of the 7D over the 600D, and see whether they are relevant to a beginner/average user,
Weather-sealed body- most consumer-level lenses aren't weather-sealed, so it's a moot point here.
More focus points and cross-type focus points- sure, definitely useful in difficult conditions but most average users won't be shooting in such conditions on a regular basis.
Faster burst rate (8fps to 3.7fps)- unless they are shooting sports or fast-moving wildlife, 3.7fps should be sufficient for everyday shooting.
Faster shutter speed- again, useful in difficult conditions and especially on sunny days but as before, most average users won't be shooting constantly in these types of conditions.
Better viewfinder- average users won't notice a significant enough difference, at least not one that justifies a two-times price difference
So no, I'm not saying there isn't a difference between the 7D and 600D, I'm just saying that the advantages given by the 7D are minimal when considering the needs of your average user (who doesn't have unlimited cash supplies).
Bad advice is the worst thing you can give away for free.
And unless you're giving away money for free, a two-times price difference is large enough to sway most beginner/consumer-level users.
Thanks everyone for your advice. I didn't mean to start an argument. Have ended up getting the Pentax K-R for $349 (-5% OW price match).
http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/91497
Will see how I go from there.
Very good price. Bought this camera about 2 years ago and have never looked back. I have 3 difference lenses with it and they all do a brilliant job. Anyone considering a 2nd tier but highly professional and well-performing camera, i'd recommend this in a heartbeat.
The 7D is a very good camera. If I'd had the opportunity to pick one up as a beginner then I'd have been a happy happy photographer.
If you are a rank beginner, have small hands, and no desire to shoot regularly in Manual or learn about ISO/Aperture/Shutterspeed/Colour Balance etc etc…then the xxxD tier will suit you (actually - have a look at mirrorless formats - there is some interesting stuff going on there).
If you want a very good camera that is essentially capable of semi-pro performance - then the 7D series is a good choice (as the prices drop).
I've used one alongside my 5DMk2 - the tech in the 7D is superior in many areas, especially the focus but also the image processing engines (affects speed of image processing…better burst etc). I don't think there's a substantial/noticable penalty in image quality (though I do use the 5DMk2 in studio over and in well lit environments as my first choice. I will use the 7D whenever I need to focus on a subject in low light). Forget the age - it's a good camera and surpasses the lower tier models by most standards - plenty of reviews to read up on comparing the 600D/650D, 60D and 7D. YMMV of course.
Now…any good deals around for the 5DMk3… :D
Edited for clarity.
For studio even a 1100D will work. Personally if i were to do studio work, i'd rather go nikon. I'm saying this as a heavily invested ($$ 5 figures) canon user, not a nikon fanboy. You'll start to appreciate the extra dynamic range you can get out of nikon sensors.
Can we see the price of this camera getting cheaper elsewhere anytime soon?
I've used one of these, this is a good but maybe not great camera. It's more than three years old, due to be replaced and full frames (which are dramatically better for reasons few people understand) like the 6D and D600 have fallen into the realm of the affordable. You can also get a decent 5D MK2 for about $1000 used if you shop around.
I would also personally consider a Sony Nex-6 but that's a completely different machine.
I still think at least half the people who think they want an slr actually would be better off with a micro 4/3 or other mirrorless. Obviously there's some serious users here who can tell the difference, but for all those 'i want an slr but don't even know why' people that don't even know what a decent lens costs, they should definitely look elsewhere. At least they may actually carry their mirrorless which maybin turn result in some shots
I agree. EOS-M and other mirrorless with APS-C sensor have the same quality as any crop sensor DSLR. Most people will be quite happy with it. Only a problem, when you need fast focusing. This could be a problem with event and photography of kids.
APS-C EVIL is where it's at if EVIL is ever considered, M4/3 IMO is really a waste of time. Just a bunch of companies trying to create a fashion statement and create a niche market for themselves.
Some arguments:
m4/3 is slightly smaller than a APS-C EVIL but all the downfalls of a PNS. Bad ISO control, focus, etc. Heck, some PNS out performs the m4/3 range at the same price. Sure you can slap on a pancake prime… but the APS-C EVILs have them as well.So what advantage does m4/3 cams have? Colour options? Accessories? Retro look? A.K.A fashion statement. Who carries m4/3 most of the time, girls.
TADA.. Is your mind blown?
I'd recommend either a good PNS, or a APS-C EVIL. m4/3 together with the nikon EVIL is a waste of time.
Just an opinion.
I agree with you.
I tried Olympus E PM1.
I did my best to like it. I failed.
My similarly priced Pentax K-x was much more superior for stills. It did not shine in video due to lack of manual controls but still did a reasonably good job.
Now I've got a Pentax k-01 which has an APS-C sensor as well. Very good camera.
I'll never touch anything smaller than an APS-C again.
I am talking about serious photography, not just those random party shots when everyone is just having fun.
Excellent price for a capable camera.
One thing worth taking into account is magic lantern, currently available for the 7d but its pretty average.
IMHO, a 600d running magic lantern is actually a superior camera to a 7d with the stock canon firmware - in reality the one thing you wont get from a 600d with magic lantern that a 7d has is alot more focal points, magic lantern adds every other feature the 7d has (and alot more besides).
Having said that, the one thing i hate about the xxxD series canon cameras is how cramped they feel to hold (painfully so if your holding it for a while).
hi REP
Its my birthday. how about an extra special 'delivered' price for the canon 650D twin lens kit.
thanks.