Haier 2.5kW Pinnacle Wall Split System R/C Air Con DRED Enabled $563 Delivered First Customer Order Only @ Appliances Online

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2.5kw$405.99 (41%) off RRP of $999 = $593 - $30 = $563

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Comments

  • shroomish on 15/02/2025 - 13:35
    +5

    Is there a volumetric calculation for how many killywaps u need?

    • jjj123 on 15/02/2025 - 13:41
      +11

      between 115-175kw/sqm, depending on your home's insulation, ceiling height and windows.

      On average, you can use 135 kW/sqm as a guideline.

      This means a 2.5 kW air conditioner can effectively cool or heat up to 18sqm.

      More details, refer to

      https://www.mhiaa.com.au/document/room-sizing-chart/

      • shroomish on 15/02/2025 - 14:02

        Thankyou MVP.

        • chuneeperformance on 15/02/2025 - 14:18
          +3

          using 2.5kw to cool a 40sqm bedroom just fine on low setting no issue with r4.0 insulation and 13mm gyprock and double glazed windows

      • tunzafun001 on 15/02/2025 - 15:19
        +2

        These guides are massively outdated (based on old gas/ heat dissapation systems).

        Our new Actron 2.6kw cools an open plan (old 1960 R2 insulation) 48m2 area without an issue. Even bedrooms down the passage are lower by 10C+. So total area is around 80m2.

        Fluctuates between 600w and 1200w. 90% of the time 800w.

        The 25m2 is rubbish.

        Bedroom/ lounge 2.5kw

        Large lounge/ kitchen/ some bedroom 3.5kw

        Open plan whole house 5kw. May need another 2.5 in a bedroom if far away.

        P.S. if you have a concession, use your state gov rebate program. Ours was $499 installed.. uses on avg 800w. Brilliant

        • tunzafun001 on 15/02/2025 - 15:22
          +4

          P.S. we have a 13kw ducted Fujitsu with r410A.

          Basically now redundant with a tiny 2.6.

          I only ran the 13kw on the 45C day when the 2.6 outdoor unit hit full sun.

          Massive tip. Place it under an eave / shading. Makes a huge difference to performance.

          A shaded 2.6 will be better than a 3.5 in full sun.

      • formatc on 16/02/2025 - 06:54
        +3

        aren't you mean 135 watts per sqm, 2.5kw=2500w =135w/sqm * 18 sqm

        can't use 135kw per sqm if you are not trying cool down neclear reaction facility…..

    • CommuterPolluter on 15/02/2025 - 15:52

      https://fairair.com.au/heating/

      https://fairair.com.au/cooling/

      This will give you a good est.

  • The Wololo Wombat on 15/02/2025 - 13:52
    +12

    Why would you ever buy one with DRED? It powers down when you need it most.

    • shxhshzhz on 15/02/2025 - 13:54
      +8

      You pay for electricity to use the air conditioner but then they restrict your use of that electricity 😂

      • The Wololo Wombat on 15/02/2025 - 14:13
        +8

        Imagine… hottest day of the year…. you have solar panels on your roof, feeding back into the grid 2x the amount you’re using (and paying 5x the price), then they decide to cut power to your aircon because you got one with DRED

        • kanu666 on 15/02/2025 - 14:29

          Is there a way not to connect the DRED? 😏

          • CommuterPolluter on 15/02/2025 - 15:56
            +1

            @kanu666: Yes the Qld implementation is quite easy to remove. Not sure about others and if the easier method is to remove the DRED components or to filter the power supply.

            • Ham Dragon on 15/02/2025 - 18:41

              @CommuterPolluter: Just for argument's sake, how might one remove a Qld implementation?

              • CommuterPolluter on 15/02/2025 - 19:07

                @Ham Dragon: I believe it’s illegal but I’ve seen videos on YouTube or facebook. There’s a rundown in the comments of this reddit thread.

                I was somewhat mistaken as I didn’t realise Queensland used the electricity supply. I guess it’s possible some modern aircons could embed DRED into the PCB to prevent users defeating it.

                • shutuptakemymoney101 on 15/02/2025 - 19:36

                  @CommuterPolluter: IIRC, in Qld you had to pay out of your own pocket for a sparky to set the DRED thingo up and then the government would give you some sort of paltry rebate.

                  Has this changed for DRED enabled a/c now? Is it a default setup now?

                  Could never understand why someone would pay to buy/install an a/c and then knowingly cripple it when you probably need it the most.

                  • CommuterPolluter on 15/02/2025 - 20:16
                    +1

                    @shutuptakemymoney101: Guess I was just thinking if they embedded the DRED functionality into the PCB you couldn’t easily remove it. But looks like ALFC is only used in Australia/NZ so no way of that happening. The aircons which come with it must just attach the module in the factory instead.

                • Ham Dragon on 15/02/2025 - 20:56
                  +1

                  @CommuterPolluter: Ta. Had to wade through a lot of typical Reddit cancer but found the right post, thanks heaps for pointing me in the right direction!

              • graham johnson on 16/02/2025 - 07:09

                @Ham Dragon: unplug the network cable, turn off wifi in ac settings

                • CommuterPolluter on 16/02/2025 - 08:01

                  @graham johnson: My understanding is that here in Australia a signal is transmitted on the electrical grid itself here in Australia with a protocol known as Audio Frequency Load Control. What you’re describing may work in other countries which use internet or direct connections but I don’t think it will work in Australia because they’ll still receive the AFLC signal.

          • ol mate on 16/02/2025 - 09:19

            @kanu666: Just an FYI - as part of the rebate T&Cs, you allow the DNSP to audit whether your DRED unit is still connected.

            AFAIK, they do send you a letter to organise it first beforehand though ;)

            • Ham Dragon on 16/02/2025 - 09:37
              +1

              @ol mate: Pretty easy to deny the unit is still in service, or just refuse entry.

              • ol mate on 16/02/2025 - 10:11

                @Ham Dragon: The rebate form has serial numbers, model, etc on it. Denial of entry could fit in a grey area as the DNSPs have legal access for meter readings anyway.

                I’d just plug it back in for the inspection then remove it again

                • Ham Dragon on 16/02/2025 - 15:57

                  @ol mate: Have a look at the Reddit (yuck) post I linked, it's slightly more complex than simply unplugging a cable, it requires a moderate amount of skill and time to perform it. I struggle to believe this would be the hill whoever it is that enforces this would die on, given the effort & cost (not to mention the cooperation of the police) required to effect an entry under whatever their supposed legal rights are if you just told them "nah mate she died a couple of years back & I replaced it with a non-DRED model".

                  • ol mate on 16/02/2025 - 16:08

                    @Ham Dragon: When I had a play with one of these peaksmart kits back in the day (got it from the retailer, and had to give it to the installer), it looked like you could just remove the screw on the box that says "This Way Up" and unplug the ethernet plug inside (or on the AC side). The rest of it was just a tap into mains to receive the signal to start/stop the Peaksmart event.

                    Edit: Installation manual. The guy on Reddit is an idiot who has removed parts of the AC unit itself - the peaksmart unit ends at the Ethernet or adapter.

                    • Ham Dragon on 16/02/2025 - 16:16

                      @ol mate: Guess I'll find out who knows what when I have a crack at mine :D

        • tunzafun001 on 15/02/2025 - 15:23
          +1

          Perfect acronym…

    • bienvenu on 15/02/2025 - 16:00
      +17

      Ever had a rolling blackout? They're the last line of defence against the electrical grid failing. And you don't opt in to a rolling blackout, you just live in whatever area someone deems to be least important.

      DRED doesn't turn it off, it sets it to run at a slightly lower power than normal. Over enough houses, that's hopefully enough to prevent the need for a blackout.

      Do you prefer having AC powered on at a reduced level, or no power to your lights and fridge and everything?

      The main issue here isn't DRED, it's how it's been communicated with the public, along with a bloody terrible acronym.

      • Ezekiel2320 on 15/02/2025 - 16:12
        +7

        Excuse me sir this is ozbargain, you can't just go throwing logic around like that

      • The Wololo Wombat on 15/02/2025 - 17:34
        -7

        Blackout?!? Nah mate, I live in rural QLD right next to a coal power station. We don’t have those issues in our state lol. Need more power? Just fire up the burners!!! Sorry to hear ur in Victoria or SA where you refuse to use what God’s so generously given our great country 🫡

        • bienvenu on 15/02/2025 - 19:41
          +3

          Sorry to say mate, your proximity to the generator is irrelevant. AEMO's standard requires each distribution company to have a roster/schedule of locations and to cycle through them:
          https://aemo.com.au/-/media/files/electricity/nem/security_a…

          Here's the schedule from SA as an example, didn't find the QLD one
          https://www.energymining.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/00…

          Best case is to live somewhere that shares main feeders with a hospital ;-)

          • The Wololo Wombat on 15/02/2025 - 20:20
            -2

            @bienvenu: Uhh…. They don’t shut down power to power stations lol.

            Ps, there’s a reason you can’t find the QLD one

        • ol mate on 16/02/2025 - 09:14
          +2

          Just fire up the burners!!

          Lol. It is so difficult to ramp up/down output in a coal fired power station - it takes hours to do it.

          In fact, it’s cheaper for the operators of coal fire station to pay market participants (retailers) to take their energy when there’s an oversupply of energy than to try and decrease supply - this is happening right now (source). If you hit the fuel source button, you’ll see 50% of the grid is supplied by coal and 35% is solar - both sources that can’t ramp up/down easily and hence the operators will take a loss which should be negated come higher demand periods.

          But also that isn’t the issue. The reason why it’s Energex or Ergon Distribution (the DNSPs) providing the rebate is because the grid can’t handle everyone turning their ACs on all at once when it’s 35 degrees. To solve this, they can either gold plate the shit out of the network so it’s able to handle ALL the demand it receives for 2 days a year, and pass the cost of the capex, maintenance and repairs to the end user (then you’ll have everyone complaining about why their bills have doubled. Or, just provide a rebate to people to allow the network control the AC a few times a year.

      • Ham Dragon on 15/02/2025 - 18:35
        +3

        "Slightly lower power"….they can literally turn it to fan only mode. Electro-communism can fk right off.

        • R4 on 15/02/2025 - 22:26
          +2

          Exactly. If this happening, some politicians need to be unelected.

      • DV0993 on 15/02/2025 - 19:27
        +1

        Thanks for your post - I was considering buying, until I found out what DREAD was. Appreciate it.

        • Shaneeo on 16/02/2025 - 06:32
          +4

          DRED are just some terminals on the product. No one forces you to connect it. Only QLD even has a system to actually implement it. And even then it’s something you need to opt in for / actively choose to participate in. You have to sigh forms etc to give them permission, so it’s not something you can accidentally join without knowing.
          If you buy an aircon and don’t want DRED enabled, just get it installed normally by your chosen installer and no one will be able to control your system except for you.

          Ps. You will be hard pressed finding any aircon now that isn’t DRED ready / DRED compatible. They all are.

          • DV0993 on 16/02/2025 - 09:39

            @Shaneeo: Thanks!

          • CharlieAus on 17/02/2025 - 09:48

            @Shaneeo: It is something you can accidentally get in QLD unless they have fixed it. Builders were hooking them up then claiming the rebate pre-settlement and charging the owner the full price while pocketing the difference. Happened to us, we had A/C added to the contracts and were told nothing about the DRED board being added, only found out when one board failed this year and kept kicking our A/C into fan only mode. Someone may have accidentally disconnected the communication wires from the board to the A/C though as it seems fine now.

      • R4 on 15/02/2025 - 22:25

        Rolling blackouts should not even be a thing in a wealthy, Western 1st World economy. If they are happening in Queensland, politicians need to be asked some hard questions

  • zenger on 15/02/2025 - 13:56

    I have a tiny extension/study room.

    Is the Haier better? or should I just get something like this:

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/mitsubishi-heavy-industries-1-5k…

    • Iggemo on 15/02/2025 - 14:51
      +7

      "just?" ???

      Mitsu (whether Electric or HI) are one of the best air-con producers around, far superior to the Haier. Whether or not 1.5kw is enough, that might be another question..

      edit: Also, nobody should be buying this. No one on earth should ever, ever, ever buy a DRED unit. Everyone i know who got one and was like "it was cheaper at the time" has massive regret. It is totally unacceptable you can't use your own appliance as you want to.

        • Iggemo on 15/02/2025 - 17:48
          +2

          LOL. Mate, energy control isnt about saving the environment, it's about reducing load so the lights don't go out. That energy generation can come from renewable sources but it's prolly a bit much to put that on the individual person, it's really something that governments need to action (and to be fair, for the most part, are).

          This is about wanting to be able to use the appliance YOU purchased as YOU desire, it's quite aside from any climate concerns. As far as your comments on the rest go, sure, yeah i think SUVs shouldn't get the tax breaks they do, i think all public transport should be free and road and transport infrastructure should heavily favour public transport over private. As for using air conditioners: if the energy generation is all renewable, why would this be a problem? That's another matter entirely.

        • The Wololo Wombat on 15/02/2025 - 18:13

          Imagine buying an air conditioner, but feeling like you’re ‘helping the environment’ because it has DRED rofl.

        • OzzyOzbourne on 15/02/2025 - 23:02

          Unless you live in a cave without a fire then you are part of the problem you describe.

          Cutting off someone's aircon in Australia isn't going to make any difference whilst billionaires power their AI supercomputers consuming gigawatts of electricity and other countries burn billions of tonnes of coal.

    • Naigrabzo on 15/02/2025 - 15:04
      -5

      Daikin or go home.

    • soulblighter on 15/02/2025 - 15:14
      +2

      I have had mitsu's for years, I have used the others too. I would never install anything other than mitus's. They are absolutely fantastic.

      1.5Kw mistu is more than enough for a tiny extension

  • DamonH on 15/02/2025 - 14:06
    +4

    I would say that MHI is more reliable according to reviews, very small number of issues. Hair can be good, but statistically more chances to have issues. For the same price MHI is a better choice

  • OzBargainer4Eva on 15/02/2025 - 14:32

    How much are people getting them installed? :S It's getting a bit too excy… even cashies..

    • raybies on 15/02/2025 - 14:42
      -8

      Install it yourself. Vacuum pump + hoses, then just plug it in to an outlet or wire it.

      • Bryton on 15/02/2025 - 19:39
        +2

        Yeah nah don’t do this lol

        • raybies on 16/02/2025 - 00:27
          -2

          Obviously, if you are handicapped, find building Lego hard, or lack the tools, don't do it… but otherwise it's pretty simple. Why do you recommend people don't do it?

          • suzta on 16/02/2025 - 14:49

            @raybies: How about because it's unlawful to install it yourself. Next you'll be saying to do your own plumbing & electrics too.

            • raybies on 16/02/2025 - 15:09

              @suzta: Link to this law?
              Note how I wrote “then just plug it in to an outlet” (AS/NZS 3000:2018) to avoid triggering snowflakes. Maybe he's a licensed electrician and can do fixed wiring, but he didn't know that he just needs a vacuum pump for the refrigerant and for checking leaks.

              The only thing I am aware of that would be unlawful is performing electrical work that does not comply with AS/NZS 3000:2018. The actual installation of the AC unit and plugging it in to an outlet should be fine… but maybe you know something I don't.

          • Bryton on 17/02/2025 - 21:27

            @raybies: Well for starters you need a license to install aircons, at least a restricted license. Secondly the AS 3000 states that you need to follow manufacturers Instructions for install which most now state the ac needs to be on its own dedicated circuit (not all but most)
            Thirdly you also need a flaring block and if you don’t know what you’re doing it’s very easy to leave a leak and then you’re going to be spending half of what your unit is worth getting someone out to come and fix your mistake when you should have just gotten someone to do it properly in the first place.
            Fourth you need to wire the interconnect between indoor and outdoor which you can’t do without a license either.

            • raybies on 18/02/2025 - 00:31

              @Bryton: My understanding is that you're saying a license is required to pass the indoor unit's power cable through the wall… OK, but think about that complexity for a moment.
              The installation manuals typically show only two wires going to power.
              Flaring the copper tubes is standard practice as is cutting the tubes to length, and your vacuum gauges will confirm whether all joints are sealed before releasing the refrigerant.

              If a dedicated circuit isn't required, it's still a piss-ez a grandma could do in an another country.

            • JIMB0 on 18/02/2025 - 11:22

              @Bryton:

              Thirdly you also need a flaring block

              You can buy line sets that already have flares.

  • coast666 on 15/02/2025 - 14:41

    What's installation fee?

    • BargainMe on 15/02/2025 - 18:10

      Depends how long the piece of string is

  • ChrisPie7 on 15/02/2025 - 14:43

    Where should I inquire about the installation when purchasing an air conditioner here?
    Could you also let me know the typical installation cost? I am planning to install three units.

    • Iggemo on 15/02/2025 - 14:52
      -1

      about 1000 is average for install these days.

      • akyeeeahdude on 16/02/2025 - 13:39

        Only if you're getting it installed on a new circuit otherwise if you're not, it's $200 - $330 less than that in my experience. I've just had two existing air cons decommissioned/replaced and a new one installed.

    • anamul on 15/02/2025 - 14:53

      Download hipages and get quotes

      • PhilToinby on 15/02/2025 - 15:40
        +7

        Based on several jobs I've tried to outsource using hipages, I would be happy to never use the service again. Hipages seems to attract people who don't know what they're doing

        • waving on 15/02/2025 - 20:29
          +1

          Hipages effectively auctions your job to tradies. Ie. They pay to get your details from HiPages. They market it as helping you find the best trade for the project, but in reality, you become the product and the highest bidder wins. You can bet that advertising cost is built into any quote you get. Better to just enquire directly with trades.

          • buckster on 16/02/2025 - 09:15

            @waving: That's if the ones on hipages are qualified to begin with..

    • soulblighter on 15/02/2025 - 15:16
      +3

      Standard back to back installations, approx $700 these days. Extras if you want wall mount, condensate pump etc.

      • Ozbm on 15/02/2025 - 18:23

        Agreed, that's a safe budget to work from.

  • bombcat on 15/02/2025 - 14:51

    How can I get the first order $30? Do I get an email after creating account?

    • jonathan111 on 15/02/2025 - 15:47

      $50 look at top description grey box

  • derdew on 15/02/2025 - 15:15
    +4

    given that the installation costs will be the same, I would always go for the best brand. a few hundred dollars is a small price to pay for years of reliability. I'm very happy with my MHI units

    • nafe on 15/02/2025 - 15:45
      +1

      This every time. Have a Fujitsu which was installed in 2012 and still rocking along just fine.

  • Darude Sandstorm on 15/02/2025 - 15:26

    Anyone here have this and can vouch for it?
    I assume install is quite straightforward for em?

  • Mikael on 15/02/2025 - 16:27

    Good price. Was thinking of putting aircon in the shed 3x3 and using solar panel. (Yes aware it takes lots of power, just using it few hours. Got 400ah batteries and 1200/2400w pure sine inverter and 500w solarpanels)
    1. Would the inverter run this? Older aircon using 4-5 more rated power when kicking in. Apparently new ones are much better and not spiking so much. Running the small one is it around 500-800w?
    2. Better if go marketplace and find second hand RV aircon or similar thing?
    3. Just don't go there daytime.

    • rodericb on 15/02/2025 - 17:59

      Your profile says you are in Perth so maybe a second hand swampy might do the job and be doable with solar and some batteries.

      • Mikael on 15/02/2025 - 18:11

        Yeah, got a small portable one. Helps a bit. Just looking at options.

  • nwa on 15/02/2025 - 16:43

    I bought this last week, estimated delivery date was 19th March but it keeps creeping up every day on the fresh link, so I'm not sure when they will get stock or deliver.

  • Snoots on 15/02/2025 - 17:18
    +2

    Hisense have a 7 year warranty on their Air Conditioners. The 2.5KW unit is $748 at betta at the moment with a $100 cashback on top of this.

    https://www.betta.com.au/hisense-air-conditioner-split-rever…?

  • xyron on 15/02/2025 - 17:21
    +1

    This model is quite poorly rated by Choice.

    I purchased a Hisense J Series 2.5kw recently for about $650 from Fast Flex in Thomastown and its been excellent. Very good app too.

  • backupper1 on 15/02/2025 - 17:38
    +5

    its called DRED for a reason, steer clear off any DREaD AC, its IN/OFF control is with energy providers

    • Lancerx on 15/02/2025 - 19:22
      +1

      Huh… What do you mean? So I'm in WA, synergy can control it?

      • Iggemo on 15/02/2025 - 19:36
        +3

        Yeah basically the energy company can control your air conditioner. Generally what this means is they limit it on really hot days, making the whole thing pointless, which is why i said above nobody should ever buy a unit like this.

        • Lancerx on 15/02/2025 - 20:51
          +3

          Wtf?! Thank goodness I know about it now!

          Spend almost $1k+ just so the provider can decide when and how I could use my ac, f that! No money saving worth that!

          • backupper1 on 15/02/2025 - 21:19

            @Lancerx: and the AC power off happens on the hottest days when you need it the most (to reduce load on the energy provider), really DREDful.

        • Shaneeo on 16/02/2025 - 06:33
          +3

          DRED are just some terminals on the product. No one forces you to connect it. Only QLD even has a system to actually implement it. And even then it’s something you need to opt in for / actively choose to participate in. You have to sigh forms etc to give them permission, so it’s not something you can accidentally join without knowing.
          If you buy an aircon and don’t want DRED enabled, just get it installed normally by your chosen installer and no one will be able to control your system except for you.

          • graham johnson on 16/02/2025 - 07:15

            @Shaneeo: yes, at least you have a clue, no one is forcing anyone to use it. In qld they pay you $400 to connect it. i installed ours and no way was that happening.

  • Jiva on 15/02/2025 - 18:07

    Any idea how much does it cost for the installation?

    • nwa on 15/02/2025 - 18:25

      About $500 back to back if you have the electrical cable ready, i.e. not including a new circuit.

      • Bigredkeg on 15/02/2025 - 21:12
        +2

        where the hell you getting those prices? certainly not in sydney/central coast

        • akyeeeahdude on 16/02/2025 - 13:33

          Yeah those are 2019 prices. For one person, it's still about 4 hours work to install a new one. I had a new air con installed last week (Brisbane) - cheapest I could find was $700 if I didn't want it on a dedicated circuit (it did include a wall bracket in that price though which is nice).

        • nwa on 18/02/2025 - 13:54

          I got it when bundling 2 systems both b2b install where I have the power cable, CB, and brackets or bases ready to go.

    • suzta on 16/02/2025 - 14:51

      I think the basic installation rate in Perth is around $800.

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