Up to $5,900 off BYD Dolphin Premium, Seal Range, Atto 3 Premium & Sealion 6 Dynamic + On-Road Costs @ BYD Automotive

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Continuing on from this deal: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/888203

Let the price war continue!

BYD have now announced further price reductions across the full range of vehicles for 2025.

Model 2024 Price 2025 Price Difference
Atto 3 Essential Not available $39,990
Atto 3 Standard $44,990 Not available
Atto 3 Premium $47,499 $44,990 -$2509
Dolphin Essential Not available $29,990
Dolphin Dynamic $36,890 Not available
Dolphin Premium $42,890 $36,990 -$5900
Seal Dynamic $49,888 $46,990 -$2898
Seal Premium $55,798 $52,990 -$2808
Seal Performance $65,748 $61,990 -$3758
Sealion 6 Dynamic $48,990 $45,990 -$3000
Sealion 6 Premium $52,990 $52,990
Shark 6 Premium $57,900 $57,900

https://www.carsauce.com/car-news/byd-announces-new-discount…

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Comments

        • +5

          I couldn't ever buy a Tesla now. Toxic brand by association.

          • +5

            @Yorkshire-Man: It's a good thing you know the political stance of the competing brand CEOs then isn't it? Ignorance is bliss, hey?

            • +5

              @FXx: Elon bought twitter [a microphone] and put it on the loudest setting for him and his cronies [he chooses what's prioritised, especially his account].

              It's harder at this point to not know his opinions, and once you do, everyone makes their own decision - agree, disagree or ignore.

              Calling this a progressive echo chamber is also weird. Most people in Australia who can turn on a computer and use the internet are going to be left of MAGA's biggest supporter.

              An example of both is: Elon's opinion re: the UK is hot news across the West and Farage must also be part of the 'progressive echo chamber' then?

              • +2

                @Bisky1: UK and Farage not hot news.

                It is just news to those who are slow around the world. Having lived in the UK this “hot news” was known around 2014-15.

                Notice how Elon / Vivek H1B debate was suddenly silenced by fairy lights in the skies over America then UK old news made hot new news all of a sudden? 🤣

                It is all a diversion.

              • -7

                @Bisky1: You're problem (like many) is your obsession with the man, similar to Trump. I don't agree with all of his stances, but he's an amazing person and builds a stand-out EV.

                Every other CEO of competing car companies are middle-aged, rich men, therefore highly likely to be conservative politically. They don't have the freedom to allow their beliefs to be known, people like yourself get emotional when Musk does.

                I'd suggest stop focusing on what Musk has to say and look at the spectrum with open eyes. As someone else suggested in response to your post.

                Your idea that most Australian's are left of Musk is also a joke. Left / progressive politics moved so far to the left they've pushed so many including Musk to the right. He was openly Democrat just 3yrs ago. Look at what's happening now, a lot of this progressive nonsense is already being reversed. The pendulum coming back to center, which is a great result for society.

                • +10

                  @FXx:

                  Left / progressive politics moved so far to the left they've pushed so many including Musk to the right.

                  Roflmao. Anyone who followed Musk's behaviour knew he was an egoistic ahole more than a decade ago. He's simply now exposed his true character to those who were slow to work out the obvious.

                  You appear to think corruption, erosion of the rule of law, extreme partisanship, use of govt coffers for your own benefit, the continuing transfer of wealth to the already ludicrously wealthy, continuous lying and mis- and disinformation (used to be called 'propaganda' but it has now been refined and weaponised to feed the cravings of extreme ideologists and the credulous), goading extreme cronies to both threaten and carry out violence not just against opponents but against institutions - is nothing more than a repositioning to "the centre". You're the perfect patsy, just what Trump and his cronies and enablers love. Not one bit of this is "a great result for any society", unless you believe facism is a desirable outcome. Quite sickening how easily fooled many people are in supposedly educated and "advanced" societies really.

                  • -1

                    @Igaf: What's wrong with supporting those who will make my personal financial situation better? I'd say that makes me a pretty intelligent patsy, no?

                    • +1

                      @FXx: Wrong question, but not in the least surprising. Right out of the Trump playbook, Newsflash, there's a HUGE difference between "society" and ego, although you appear to equate them. Interesting that you've confirmed what many already know - that some people will accept or are prepared to overlook (Bezos, Zuckerberg, Cook etc) gross dishonesty, corruption etc if it suits their wallets.

                      • @Igaf: Alternatively, I'd like you to list some trustworthy politicians (from the USA especially) please, to send me in the right direction. Thank you.

                        • +1

                          @FXx: I'd be completely wasting my time, much like I am now but bs deserves some response lest it also take hold in this country.

                          Your ludicrous attempt to tar everyone with the same brush no doubt works on some people/forums where opinions and issues are black and white (reflecting the realities of life, they almost never are). Nobody's perfect, and everything's relative - as your notion that what's great for you is therefore great for society shows. It's quite possible you actually believe for example that Gaetz (even his own party couldn't stomach that fine example of modern American conservatism), Hegseth, Kennedy, Gabbard, Patel et al are the best available Americans for their proposed roles, and MAGA nut jobs like Taylor-Greene are completely rational. Relatively speaking, how do you compare Trump's role in the transfer of power 4 years ago to Biden-Harris' for example?

                          Surely as an intelligent patsy you can differentiate between fact, fiction and lies, and obvious mis- and disinformation and reasonable (even if ethos-biased) argument - irrespective of the party? The question as always is - where do you draw the line wrt acceptable standards for public office, there or here for that matter?

                  • +4

                    @Igaf: Could not agree more with you.
                    Like the orange criminal, this attention seeking child lies at every opportunity.
                    The problem we now have in a social media driven world is this.
                    We can ignore any rando’s harmful misinformation. Like any fireman can put out a structural or grass fire in sedate weather. However, with Musk, the lone structural fire that he starts or spreads is like having 200kmh wind blowing it into everyone’s houses and spreads an uncontrollable fire.
                    Musk is even lying about being the best gamer.
                    Such a narcissistic sociopath that his carnage knows no bounds due to who he is, a small man.

                    • @TreeHugger: I have little doubt both he and Trump have "malfunctioning" anterior insular cortexes.

                    • +1

                      @TreeHugger: It has been proven that the Democratic party forced social media companies to withhold information they thought may harm their ability to win elections (including Hunter Biden's crimes), as well as information on COVID now proven to be truth.

                      I know how it works, if it's your political party it's OK, right? The only way to tackle misinformation / disinformation is freedom of it. Anyone who trusts a government official to decide what information we see is probably requiring of a history lesson.

                      A 'random's information' can be debunked. You can't debunk information withheld.

                      • +1

                        @FXx: What information is that exactly, and how did the Democrats force social media to withold publicly-available information which was being reported and debated almost daily on TV, radio and the internet ?

                        Hunter Biden's alleged (and proven) crimes were extremely well exposed in the media, despite your ignorance of the facts. As you also know (cough) McCarthy, Comer, Jordan et al tried for months to link his transgressions and business dealings to his father's, without even a scintilla of evidence. Numerous testimonies under oath debunked their claims and sunk the fishing expedition (impeachment) attempt. You can read about Jordan's lies and misrepresentations during that process for yourself.

                        • @Igaf: Musk proved it when he took over Twitter. Twitter was always suspected of it, publicly denied it too - liars. Musk knew it, purchased and exposed it.
                          Zuckerberg just discussed it with Joe Rogan a couple of days ago on his podcast, admitted to doing what the Biden administration pushed him to do, and when he initially resisted they pressured his businesses until they got what they wanted.

                          Now that the political spectrum is moving back to the right as people move to trust the government establishment less and less, we're seeing more comfort socially of people calling out this progressive nonsense. DEI programs cancelled at major companies, Australia Day returning to favour, the list goes on.

                          Yes, the department of justice in the USA is broken and corrupted. The way they went after Trump was appalling, no wonder Biden was so quick to pardon his criminal son, all the way back to 2014 no less! Democrats weaponised the DOJ against Trump first, they assume he'd return the favour.

                • @FXx: Musk is a greedy megalomaniac. He talks about free speech but then censors/bans anyone who criticize him on twitter.

                  He was all praise for Democrats when they gave him billions in subsidies but as soon as he saw Trump winning, he switched sides. I don't see Trump talking about his election promise of 60% tariffs on China anymore. All I hear is tariffs on Mexico and Canada now. You know why? Musk is owned by CCP and he will never upset his master Xi. World's richest man who is shadow running US Govt while owning businesses in China (strategic rival of US), if this is not conflict of interest I don't know what is.

                  BTW he's also a proven liar with over 10 years of lies and broken promises.

            • +2

              @FXx: @FXx my money, my choice. Musk wants to appeal to right wing Americans (that BTW love petrol powers cars) then he's welcome to. I hope Tesla falls in a heap along with his personal wealth. IMO, he's doing a cracking job of trashing the Tesla brand.

              • @Yorkshire-Man: Musk has dedicated a great portion of his life to green energy, he's responsible for not only the best EVs on the planet but creating production methods other companies have used. Pushing the whole industry forward. He's done all this just to 'appeal to right wing Americans' has he?

                The guy turned his back (3yrs ago) on progressive politics primarily because he's a free speech enthusiast, and doesn't agree with Government overreach.

                Starlink, SpaceX? All exclusively for right wing Americans too?

                Seriously, I feel for people like yourself who can't separate their politics from general life and decision making. It's a bit sad.

                Plus, can you tell me the political leaning of the CEOs running the car companies who manufactured your current cars? No, you can't. As I said, ignorance is bliss isn't it?

                • @FXx:

                  because he's a free speech enthusiast

                  Lol. Ignoring the huge complexities of "free speech" (free to use his wealth and platform to lie, to distort, to mislead, to defame you mean presumably), clearly you're little more than a headline reader. Do some reading about the hypocrisy of Musks' "free speech absolutism" before you embarrass yourself even further.

                  What is "sad" is the level of depravity some people are prepared to accept while simultaneously believing that their personal "standards" are normal, if not beyond question.

        • A bunch of those $20k Chinese electric cars will have Tesla written on them :P

        • The sooner the better.

        • +1

          That is no way to politely refer to the incoming American Secretary to the Department of Government Efficiency

        • I think musk will go down with the same accolades for EVs in the car world as Saab did for the ICE car world.

        • while i own BYD, unfortunately Musk will be the dominant ev maker and that's just a fact believe it or not if you want but in 4 years you will be reminded

      • +1

        But 2030 is in roughly 10 years?

        • +1

          Did COVID mess with your timeframe also?
          Then you look at the calendar and see it's actually 2025!

    • Even if they can be sold for 20k, I doubt the cost reduction will be passed on to the Australian consumer.

      • -1

        Given euro tariffs and soon to be USofA tariffs, just wait and see.

        • +1

          They are opening a factory in Hungary to get around the EU tarrifs.

        • +11

          Australians may end up with the cheapest cars in the world.

          The EU and USA are keeping out Chinese cars with massive tariffs. We have no industry so don’t give AF.

          Here they come in tax free.

          I think we will see sub $20,000 EVs pretty soon.

          • +6

            @Grok: Australia will probably do it because usa tells us to, like the submarines

    • +3

      Crazily for all the talk of a $25k car we are already down to $18k (in USD).

    • +1

      Would be an interesting development. The low end market is there begging for capture. How many lemons are in the mix is a whole other question, but has always been ripe at the low end, and is true for all these new car companies battliing it out anyway. Super fascinated to see how particular brands and models have faired in 5 and 10 years time. History has shown us many will make big mistakes, cut corners, have major or numerous flaws, whilst others will thrive and hit home runs. So many exciting deveopments and unknowns. Wish i could use someone elses money!

    • Mg is 20k and petrol

      28k to 25k would be the lowest

      • I'm in a market for an used MG ZS ICE (for ~15k)..Hope this EV flooding bring the price down

        • +3

          Be very cautious with the zs. Horrible car we traded just yesterday losing about $18k after the loan interest in less than 16 months. In that time it had two warranty items done. And really needs to go in for another (where it tries to accelerate for you and you need to hold the brake to stop it moving sometimes). My partners not comfortable driving it anymore so decided to just take the loss. When it’s not trying to kill you it lacks so much power it barely accelerates on a hot day when the air con is on.

          Radio has all sorts of issues randomly working or not on hot days too. She is part of the mg fb group and always mentioning how someone has joined mentioning a random gremlin the car has.

          Her brother bought a HS which is a better car but had electrical issues where it would be flat for seemingly no reason and they took ages to diagnose and then replace the boot latch finally. Other day she mentioned hes having another problem but it fixed itself.

          While the thinking was roll the dice there’s a large warranty anyway that doesnt work so well when you need to always use it. Easily worst car she has ever owned (and had plenty of cars excel focus sorento cerrato Santa fe xtrail etc).

          We do have a Haval H6 bought same time too and it has had no issues and the build quality, driving experience and tech quality (infotainment, camera and intelligent driving aids) are night and day difference to MG.

    • +8

      As long as they’re made ethically, yeah totally.

      But they’re trying hard to race to the bottom on cost, and the best way to do that is underpay and overwork the employees. Being Chinese, that’ll be easy to do.

      Saw this the other day.

      BYD Brazil scandal exposes flaws in Chinese investment

      "Slavery-like" working conditions have been uncovered at the Chinese EV maker's factory site in Brazil, casting a spotlight on the standards maintained by Chinese companies outsourcing workers at foreign locations

      https://www.dw.com/en/byd-brazil-scandal-exposes-flaws-in-ch…

      I await the negs.

      • +1

        I think this has been debated in these forums and reddit before.

      • +3

        But where does one draw the line? I’d wager almost every thing I buy from the MacBook to the clothes I wear was made by some poor factory worker toiling under brutal work conditions whilst being severely underpaid.

        • -1

          Yeah it’s not easy. And supply chains can be murky. I suppose I’d trust some brands over others and the good ones publish manufacturing policies and reports on their website. I would say big corps like Apple would be ok and there are transparency and ethical watchdog who report this stuff. To be honest I’d trust western brands more (would like to be convinced otherwise).

          • +1

            @Corgsta: Foxconn, Apple. This is as someone who doesn't read up on this - am sure you can find more.

          • +2

            @Corgsta: Didn't Apple get in hot water about the conditions in Foxconn?

      • +3

        There is very little you can buy which isn't made by slaves, realistically. Or if you do, it's 3-4x the price with Australian Made stickers on it.

        However, supposedly many of these $1 per day slave conditions are actually a huge improvement over the 25c per day slave conditions they'd be in regardless if Apple/Nike/etc hadn't come to that town and built a factory.

        • +1

          I get that. And I don't really accept the notion that "everyone's doing it so I won't change anything", personally. I know everyone's different but I try hard to buy Australian, Euro or US made where I can, or at least look at what brands are doing to look after the humans making their stuff. It's logic that if you pay peanuts for a product, then the people who made it got paid peanuts (unless it's all automated etc). Which is why I want to raise this with the people here who are discussing EV pricing.

        • The Dacia Spring is from GBP15K, or AU25K. Are Dacia employing slaves?

          Many cheap options overseas, but our gutless wonders in Scomo's cult had an ideological issue with EVs — something about the bogeyman coming for your ute+weekend. We're therefore 10 years behind — their term in government.

          Australia wasn't even making utes then, so what, Labor was coming for your cheap slave-made ute from China? Or your badge-engineered Merc (Nissan) or Amarok from those emissions fraudsters at VW?

          Cheaper stuff is coming, and it doesn't need slave labour!

      • +1

        sure neg it. It's misleading comment and news report. From last debate we already know it's factory building site operated by 3rd party builder. And funny the news said the workers being paid much much more than local workers, but someone still call it underpay.

    • +3

      Either that or 40K will feel like 20K by the time….

    • Dolphin Essential in China is already under 20k after rebate. Most likely we can have the same price in 20 months.

    • Hope so, tired of overpaying for the same car but because it's non-Chinese it's premium lol. Tired of the outdated ideas that Chinese made is bad.

  • +22

    Also worth noting these are 2025 BYD's.
    The 2025 BYD Seal has had some equipment upgraded too


    BYD Seal Dynamic

    • BYD Digital Key
    • Electric sliding sunshade
    • Sunglass holder
    • PM2.5 air filter

    BYD Seal Premium

    gains everything in the Seal Dynamic plus:

    • Frequency Selective Damping (which was previously on the Performance model)

    BYD Seal Performance

    gains everything in the Seal Dynamic and Premium plus:

    • Di-Sus C adaptive damping

    • Sealion 6 Dynamic is MY24

    • +4

      Yes good point. Also important to note the next generation BYD Seal was revealed in China a few months ago. The interior styling is now very similar to the Sealion 7. New Seal should be here later this year.

    • Did the seal get the better charging ability?

      • Nope, same speeds as before

    • +2

      Sunglass holder? My 20 year buzz box has this.

    • -1

      What does Frequency Selective Damping do?

      • -1

        New Model 3 also gets this.
        It's a passive damping system. So no electrical stuff involved. But effectively helps smooth rough roads out. And then on smooth roads will tighten up. Gives you best of both worlds if executed well.

    • +1

      Digital key and air filter already exist on the 2024 Seal btw, the digital key was an OTA update released post launch.

    • +1

      The Seal is a really nice car for Camry money these days.

  • +8

    I've heard about the car price wars in China, but it never fully dawned on me how brutal it is until now.

    We only have a few Chinese brands in Australia (vs China) and more to come. It seems like every week there's a new price cut.

  • +1

    MG, your turn

    • MG are trying to go premium with higher prices

      • +1

        Really? I thought they just got rid of the 23 and 24 stock with 20-25% discounts. Back to normal price until next year clearance.

        • +1

          2nd gen MG3 and MG ZS all gone up in price. Sales are tanking, with the exception of that MG4 runout in Oct?

      • Never heard of IM? The sister brand of MG parent company is coming here. A more premium brand.

        • IM are being badged as MG in Australia.
          The first IM badged MG will launch April/May in Australia. Watch this space…

          • @E5TOQUE: Yeah there were talks of what brand SAIC will use for the Australian market on the L6 and LS6. Semi Solid state batteries is coming!

  • +2

    Rip anyone who bought last month with your bonus depreciation today.

    • +5

      If they bought last few months, alot of the BYD's had $3000 credits + free home chargers applied at time of ordering. So the sting of depreciation isn't that much

      Before that discount it was $2500 cash back. So again not that bad.

      • +14

        I bought a Sealion 6 Premium last month and wouldn't care anyway. I needed a car and it's a great car so far for the money, but it wasn't bought as a financial investment.

      • Which free chargers were BYD giving away? Curious to know how much they were worth

    • +5

      I just went on CarSales to see what people have on their Seals second hand, oh boy… Many of these people are financed too, better be prepared to $ink.

      • +4

        A lot of people are on the EV novated lease gravy train, this is having the desired effect of flooding the market with cheap used EVs.

        • +1

          Choo Choo on my mg4 5 year lease. Selling the petrol car now.

        • Is the saving that much going on novated lease? When I ran the numbers it was about $2k off.

          • @nightelves: Don't only focus on the apparent "savings", but also see how it will affect your take-home pay, the residual price (PLUS the GST) and EV charging calculations within the lease

            You can even take a look at the AGL subscription option, to try EVs for 1-week, 6-months or 12-months.

          • +2

            @nightelves: Also if you have a mortgage on your house, think of the amount of interest you would have had to pay over the lease term if you drew the full amount out of your offset. This is one of the biggest savings with the lease.

          • @nightelves: I just ran all the numbers on a novated lease - if you are in the top tax bracket and buying an EV the savings are very good. If you're buying an ICE car the 'savings' are pretty much cancelled out by the disgusting interest rate on the lease, even if you're in the top bracket.

            I bought a dealer used ATTO 3 Extended with only 2500km on it for just under $40k on a novated lease. Loving it so far.

      • +1

        What are you on about dude? There is like 24 for sale in the whole country and all priced rather high.

        • +2

          Just because they're priced high doesn't mean they're selling at that price though.

          I've been keeping an eye on them for a while now as I'm looking to get a Seal Performance - with today's price drop many of the Seals listed haven't got a hope in hell of selling at the price they're asking….cheaper to buy a new 2025 model.

          • +1

            @tight-ass: Correct. These people either sell to the market or sit and watch their used car become less and less valuable by the day.

            Want a laugh? Look at this delusional seller's post - https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2024-byd-seal-perfo…

            • @FXx: Am I missing something, how is this guy trying to sell it for above brand-new price? There isn't even anything extra included, it seems like he just advertised genuine floor mats as extras?

        • Lol, CarSales is literally made up of dreamers. You're right though, basically every Seal on there is now way overpriced. People don't want to take a hit and just hope for some idiot to pay overs I guess. Strange world, full of unreasonable people.

  • +3

    The massive Dolphin reduction makes sense. It was never a match compared to the Seal Dynamic with its original release price.

  • +3

    This is only just the beginning, once xpeng, zeekr, deepal and the others have more models released.

    Waiting for a Kia Carnival competitor though, like the Zeekr 009 or Xpeng X9

    • +20

      Zeekr is being marketed as a premium brand. It's not going after BYD, MG, etc. They will keep their prices higher.

      Deepal is coming in via Inchcape (Who manage Peugeot and Subaru). The reviews of the S07 are average at best. BYD and MG are ahead here. And their servicing costs are absolutely ridiculous.

      XPeng have launched in Australia and they are not compatible with the public Tesla super chargers. They have no proper dealer/support network setup and you rely on Ultratune for rip off servicing costs. They could be one to watch down the track if the importer figures things out. At the moment I would be avoiding them.

      Leapmotor are backed/managed by Stallantis in Australia (Jeep, Dodge, Fiat, Alfa Romeo). While the car might be fine, Stallantis as a group is best avoided if it was my money.

      • BYD and MG have proven themselves.
      • Geely is a factory backed operation arriving soon
      • Chery is a factory backed operation and seem to be kicking goals in that budget range
      • Yeah, BYD is what I would go for in the end, more players just means more competition which is good for consumers.

      • +4

        They could be one to watch down the track if the importer figures things out. At the moment I would be avoiding them.

        Why? The supercharger thing is being fixed, plus MG use MyCar for logbook servicing, how is that any better than XPeng using Ultratune?

        How have MG proven themselves? By selling EVs in Australia for a handful of years?

        I have no problem with any of the Chinese brand EVs, but I find people splitting hairs between then and writing one brand off over another just mind boggling.

        Next you'll be saying that Zeekr is better than Xpeng because it is owned by Geely. Which isn't proven in Australia at all.

        • +3

          MG have done a few things you are completely disregarding.

          1. They are a 100% factory backed operation in Australia. Not a 3rd party importer.

          2. MG have pushed their warranty out to 10 years across all their cars.

          3. They have invested heavily in a growing dealer and service network. With over 87 dealers and growing.

          4. They are launching 8 new cars in Australia in 2025 alone.

          XPeng has only just launched.
          - No real proper dealer network
          - No real proper servicing network
          - No factory backed operation. It's a 3rd party importer, but not even a known one with any past experience to go from. If you check the people that work there, alot of them worked in finance. Have very little experience in the automotive space.
          - Launched their big seller G6 mid size SUV and it doesn't even work on the Tesla Super Charger network.
          - No indication on how they are managing spare parts availability. Etc

          They have alot of potential.
          But right here, right now, today in January 2025.
          I personally wouldn't be investing my hard earned money in the brand and the 3rd party importer until they prove themselves a little longer.

          BYD Sealion 7 launches next month
          Refreshed Model Y shortly after that
          MG has like 3 EV SUV's arriving this year.
          All from established players.

          It will be interesting to see how the brand goes. I hope it goes well.

          • @E5TOQUE: Will BYD be launching the U9?

          • +1

            @E5TOQUE:

            MG have pushed their warranty out to 10 years

            So has XPeng if you buy this month. Who is to say that won't continue

            No factory backed operation. It's a 3rd party importer

            I get your point, but when you have 1 car to sell, this makes business sense. Once they get some traction and more models, it makes sense to go directly into the market at a later stage.

            Super Charger Network

            This is getting fixed apparently. Not all cars work with the Tesla Super Charger Network.

            No indication on how they are managing spare parts availability. Etc

            When it is one car model and you are just starting out, you don't ship 100,000 parts to sit in a warehouse and pay money on storage. You run a just in time model which is what any car manufacture would do in this situation.

            until they prove themselves a little longer

            Sure, that is your preference. But it is a little chicken and the egg situation here. If everyone waits for them to prove themselves, no one buys the car, they pull out of the market.

      • If Li Auto ever bring their extended range EVs down here I reckon they would do very well.

    • +3

      The BYD Xia in China launched with about the same price as the Seal (slightly higher I think) definitely looking forward to this one being the MPV competitor we sorely miss in AUS.

  • Did a chat with BYD last month, current Atto 3 premium on sale seems to be MY24, the MY25 won’t be available until mid year, not sure if that’s true?

  • -8

    I am actually quite suprised how popular these vehciles are and that people would spend their hard earned money on these unproven chinese vehicles with little to no history on service and support. Usually new brands entering the Australian market take years before they have any significant market share. How times have changed.

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