The Nissan LEAF has been reduced by $5,000 across both models with the base variant now $34,990 and the e+ variant $44,990 drive away.
This is the second time the LEAF has been reduced in 12 months representing a saving of over $20,000 from the beginning to 2024.
You can search specs & price history at The Beep here.
Oh no my consumable isn't worth as much
@Binchicken22: Brother, take it easy. It was just a little shit post as we're here on ozb afterall. Don't get your undies in a twist, it wasn't personal 😉
I've seen (profanity) in a Nissan Micra tailgate utes also.
Agree with the Toyota resale thing though. There's a reason you seem them so much in warzones with weapons mounted in the tray lol.
@Binchicken22: Say anything negative about an EV on ozb and 100% guarenteed you will be negged regardless of how logical your argument is…
It's because more of a political thing
that is actually why you got negged so much because your comment was typical of turning something into a political left/right discussion and this has continued with your posts
BTW I drive a 4WD and live in an Alpine area and use my car for its intended purpose. However, if it wasn't for that I would go EV
@slipperypete: Same, I have a Ranger single cab ute for use on the farm and a Tesla Model 3 P for daily driver. I just don't get the hate (but I will swap to EV ute once somebody makes a tray back)
@cornflakes: I have a small car but occasionally drive a larger car
When I'm in my small car, larger vehicles are much more aggressive with me. I generally sit 2-3km/h over the limit per GPS+cruise, and frequently get large cars tailgating, overtaking, then slowing down in front of me, and then speed up when I then go to overtake them. This will happen several times per hour on highway driving, and it almost never happens when I'm in a larger car
If you only drive a larger car, you won't understand why people have a problem with drivers of larger cars. Which is not to say that all larger car drivers are the problem, but just that problematic drivers tend to drive larger cars
The recently released Victorian Road Safety Strategy calls out the behaviour of some drivers of utes/larger cars as being of specific concern/
@Bren20: I have very much noticed the same thing.
It's phenomenal the differences in driver behaviour differences depending on the vehicle I am driving.
@defaultess: The higher the ride height i slower you feel you are going. This they drive faster… ? Could that be?
@Bren20: OMG I feel exactly the same mate. When I drive my wife's small car, setting to the speed limit on the GPS. i can still feel the the bully from large ute and 4x4 every second. I don't quite understand why they are doing that.
@Bren20: Makes sense.
For a reason non-farmers buy gigantic pickup trucks or monster 4X4.
No, It is not to tow a horesefloat across the Simpson desert.
It is more about being kingpin in suburbia malls and back..
Hilux is because tradies just get it as company vehicle and write it off as tax deduction. I know a guy who got a RAPTOR during covid and he only paid $35k out of pocket for a 85k car!!
@Naigrabzo: Yeah, but Toyota in general do well because they resale quite well, not just Hilux but across their range really.
but there is a reason Hilux/landcruisers are one of the top sellers despite their cost.
LCs have a fan base, Hilux are for work/business purposes*
*whether ppl actually use it for work work is another discussion…
@Ozsaver88: We owned a Nissan Patrol. Lived in outback Western QLD and if there was any strange noises we weren't making a trip. Fools confidence is what you speak of. Plenty of break downs in the Patrol and they weren't things we could project from a "sound" they just happen pretty quickly unfortunately. We carried a lot of extra gear in case of breakdowns to be safe, because there was never a case where we heard a bad noise and made it another 400km somewhere.
Lived in outback Western QLD and if there was any strange noises we weren't making a trip
I wasn't saying that I make a trip with that unusual sound or even continue the trip after hearing any. It's just that feeling when you hear the unusual sound in any other vehicles other than LC, Patrol or similar ones while you are driving 400k away (remember previous discussion was about "Toyota fanbase", obsession with big SUV, Big SUV aggression etc.) Never mind, I unpublished my comment to cleanup my footprints. Have a nice day!
Yeah I purchased a 2013 SSV commodore with 50,000km in 2017. Sold it in 2023 with a problem and 220,000km for more money. Resale is a thing you know.
Rare edition?
@serpserpserp: Yeah during covid resale for cars shot through tbe roof, my dad gave away his 85 falcon to my cousin because of the sheer amount of problems it had and he ended up selling it for more 10k even with most of all the same problems 🤣
Wait, EVs have a 2nd hand market?
If you buy an EV, you've committed to driving it till it stops recharging. The BYD electric taxis in China has clocked million kms.
I thought at that point we treat them like our mobile phones and keep them plugged in with an extension lead or tow around a power bank.
It’s more likely to get written off for peanuts for minor damages as there are not enough qualified EV autoelectricians to fix them
@Lastchancetosee: A good example is the company Hertz. They are selling thousands of their electric vehicles because it’s too expensive to fix, which means it’s get written off and they lose money.
If buying an EV make sure you don’t skimp on the comprehensive insurance. You will need to go agreed value and not market value
A good example is the company Hertz.
Hertz USA is a great example of how NOT to roll out EVs as part of a rental fleet. They made a massive commitment early on, without any real plan or clear policies, assuming that they could be treated in exactly the same way as all their other cars.
They failed to have proper charging facilities on site, so their clients could leave with a decent state of charge. And then they had unreasonable expectations on the state of charge people should return them with, since their policies were stupid. Customers were being fined for not returning with 100% charge even though it was unreasonable, not to mention virtually impossible.
They didn't give their customers any guidance on how to drive the cars, or how to charge them. Anyone who has driven a Tesla knows that 5 minutes of introduction for a total novice goes a very long way in making people comfortable. At very least, a small leaflet with a few tips and tricks should have been provided, but they didn't even do that.
They didn't make any special arrangements for servicing or maintenance, even though it should have been perfectly clear that the cars needed some specialist skills and experience that the average mechanic couldn't deal with.
And they bought into the top of the market, at very high prices. Then Tesla reduced their prices as they scaled up, and Hertz lost a lot of money on each vehicle.
Had they run a small pilot campaign for a few months, like several other rental companies did, they would have been able to sort out most of their issues and their rollout would have been rather different.
You will notice that all of the major rental car companies in Australia have a range of EVs available, including Hertz - there is no fundamental problem in having an EV fleet, but they do need to be treated a little differently.
Things that aussies are obssessed with: House prices constantly going up 10x every 2 months, and depreciation of their car.
What if you lived in what you drive, eg. in a campervan ?
You forgot ROI on solar panels being 3 years or less otherwise no point in ever getting them.
if you arent reselling your used prado for $20k profit are u even aussie?
Second hand market for EVs is shit, but its 20K cheaper than last year, the people buying them for $35K have still got a good deal
Resale value of most EVs is low because the prices of new models keep falling, and are expected to keep falling for a while yet. The Leaf is a prime example of this.
And of course, because a certain percentage of drivers think they're not "real cars," or the battery only lasts for 5 years, or they catch fire, or any number of other uninformed opinions they acquired from Facebook memes.
Great deal! Now I just need to find a charging station that isn’t already occupied by someone who parked their Prius there for fun.
And one that has a (working!) chademo plug
It has both plugs, so works with Phase 2 abd chademo.
Fair enough; I didn't realise that Leafs came with Type 2 inlet now.
If you can, charging at your home is a much better and more convenient option. Charging station is only for road trips.
Which is what helps the solar panels pay for themselves even faster.
probably the worst EV to exist.
Difficult to insure though.
Flintstone powered
Atleast this wont lose a third of its range after 7 or 8 years 😂
Honestly they weren't too bad in their day. Back in 2018 when this model launched there wasn't much that was matching the Leaf in their price segment. These days it's very dated though and Nissan are clearing them out as fast as they can ahead of the new model.
Worst EV to exist yet. Oh wait. Cybertrcuk.
Cybercucked by Elon
Cybertruck has gone from infinite demand with millions of pre-orders to CT's available for immediate delivery 1 year into production
@Brick Tamland: I'm in Baltimore USA right now and cybertrucks are everywhere here. Also saw many in Washington DC and New York City. I hate them, but they've definitely been selling. We don't see the result in Australia because they're not street legal.
@Morven: I think only saw one for the whole week I was in NYC in September, saw one in the Yosemite national park and another in Texas but it was on the dealer shop lot.
@Brick Tamland: It snowed here last night and there's one parked across the street looking stupid with 4 inches of snow sitting on it.
In NYC there was a hanukkah parade of cars heading to an event, led by a cybertruck. Saw plenty on the road between DC and Baltimore yesterday, and more when on the bus to NYC last week.
That was an unfortunate typo.
haveyou driven one? drove on in america for a few days. they feel pretty awesome, very stable at high speeds on freeways. looks a little weird but bloody good drive
No but I saw a few when I was there a few months back. They look way worst sitting in normal traffic then they do in standalone photos. The shape of it is just wrong
@Brick Tamland: I actually had the opposite impression. I thought it looked much better in person than in the photos. Even saw a white wrapped one which looked genuinely okay (still not good).
@nigel deborah: hmmm I dunno, when its sitting in traffic its just exaggerates its weirdness and look absolutely massive even though its not any bigger then the typical US pick ups
@Brick Tamland: Im still puzzled why they didnt make the earlier ones look nice instead of excerable. They werent a bad car.
@Brick Tamland: I hadn't so I went to the Toyota website and I'm met with a big banner that says "Prius has now been discontinued"? The pictures of what I guess is the last model look fine.
I'm not really a car person so I don't really have much invested in what they look like. I just remember people whining incessantly about the style of the first Prius and me not thinking they looked much worse than any other car.
@Brick Tamland: Oh OK yeh that immediately looks wayyyyy cooler even to a car-ignorant person like myself!
I guess that's just another cool thing that we won't get in Australia?
There is way more to a vehicle's quality than how well it drives.
12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American pride…..
elon bad
I'm in a FB leaf group and it's very interesting the brand loyalty leaf lovers/owners have. Many are spending considerable amounts of money to upgrade the battery packs in their 2012 leafs instead of just buying a new EV like MG or Atto.
What sort of $ are we talking?
It can be up to 20k: https://ozelectricvehicles.com.au/pages/nissan-leaf , but there are cheaper (and less proven) upgrades out there: https://drhybrid.com.au/products/nissan-leaf-63kw-catl-modul… .
Paying 20k for a battery upgrade these days is mindless IMO.
@Naigrabzo: The $34,990 Leaf from this post is generation 2 that came out in 2018ish. 2012 Leaf tessel was talking about is the one that had lots of issues and whose battery lost roughly 10% each year (!).
Generation 2 is a solid car that had most of the issues of gen1 fixed, but there are better EVs out there at the moment. If I had $35k for a new EV, I'd go for the MG4.
If you're not into road trips and have somewhere to charge them, modern EVs are fine. Batteries loose 1-2% a year which you won't feel if you change the car every 5-10 years…
Battery prices are rapidly coming down, so by the time an EV bought in 2025. needs a new one (if ever), it'll be a couple of grands…
@Naigrabzo: The costs of batteries have been getting cheaper the last 15 years. Really when Nissan brought out the Leaf it didn’t make sense for a consumer, it was way more expensive than this with a smaller battery because the technology was in its infancy. You were basically paying significantly more because battery costs were significantly more. The 20k battery replacement is significantly larger than what came in the original first generation. Leaf were basically the only EV option 15 years ago. So obviously as EV have gained traction the battery costs and vehicles have come down and will continue to do so.
@Miroslav: Gen 1 has next to no issues outside the main traction battery, has to be the most reliable car on the road, better than my 01 Camry which is hard to believe.
With a bit of work people are repacking their own battery with the above kit for under 10k for a 400-450k range, that's pretty compelling. Once LFP batteries are available it will matter even less that there isn't liquid cooling. It's currently the ultimate hackers EV but there's a bit of a learning curve to get in, the fact that it was the first practical EV on the road is why there are thousands that have been imported to NZ
@Naigrabzo: Would be interesting to compare total cost of your CRV vs leaf at end of life including insurance, servicing, and fuel/electricity costs.
@Miroslav: people spend more than that on cars and other hobbies
not everything needs to make financial sense
@furythree: True :) , but Leaf 1 would be an odd choice. I've had it and it's flawed in many ways, battery is only its weakest point.
@Jackson: Things that first come to mind… Cream cloth seat upholstery and door trims (only choice on Australian models) that easily get dirty and damaged; resistive heating element (pre 2014 models) that eats up the battery quickly, but take ages to warm up the cabin; cramped back seats; terrible boot layout; game boy like dash; imprecise battery level indicator; plastic rear spoiler that got sun damaged too easily. For me, the car was nice to drive, but in many places it felt rushed and built cheaply in spite of the price tag.
any car specific group will be like that though.
Go to any Mazda, Toyota or anything group and they fan over it because it's a way to reinfornce that their purchase was sound and wise.
Not so. Go to any forum (eg Mazda) and there will be plenty of owner complaints on common issues.
Second worst IMO, worst being the Toyota bz4x
How about the Subaru equivalent? :)
Suburu is worse as it's more expensive but has essentially the same guts as that BZ. BZ is the worst car that Toyota has made. The wheels literally falling off.
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/wheels-falling…
@Naigrabzo: That was before that model car reached Australia. Meanwhile, Jeep and Porsche had recalls for cars, in Australia and in 2024, for wheels falling off….
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-2024-porsche-911-718-and-…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13364913/Jeep-Grand…
Oh yeah, the Mazda 3 a few years earlier…
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/05/wheels-coul…
Good luck to the second hand market for the vehicle.