The Nissan LEAF has been reduced by $5,000 across both models with the base variant now $34,990 and the e+ variant $44,990 drive away.
This is the second time the LEAF has been reduced in 12 months representing a saving of over $20,000 from the beginning to 2024.
You can search specs & price history at The Beep here.
If the leaf was the better car it would have more car of year by car journalist. So no, it sounds like you are a Nissan employee trying to sell the lacklustre Nissan leaf.
@ChickenAdobo: The mg4 would be better around a track, the leaf on normal roads/everyday driving is much better than the mg4.
Most people would prefer more space, softer, comfortable suspension and pretty ok handling over less space and harder suspension/great handling for everyday around town. Yes, the mg4 has better handling, range, acceleration, beats a leaf around a track, but does that matter to mum taking the kids to sport? Or the 20 min commute to work in the morning?
What’s with the mg4 hate, have the haters actually driven one?
MG are the washing machine of the car world.
People who love cars hate them, and people who hate cars love them.
@coffeeinmyveins: Oh good, Toyota has finally lost the 'home appliance' tag people used to associate with it. Now MG has it, allegedly.
@coffeeinmyveins: The MG4 is rwd and has a 50:50 weight distribution. It’s no sports car but I reckon it handles quite predictably and is enjoyable enough to drive.
You sure an air cooled lithium ion battery would last longer than lifepo4?
I'll expand on this point for anybody who doesn't understand how truly inferior the Leaf battery is. All other EV's have a liquid cooled battery with a pump and radiator that very accurately controls temperature through the entire battery.
The Leaf battery doesn't even have active air cooling - not even a fan to push air through the case. It just sits there baking in its case inside an unventilated cavity relying on passive heat transfer from convection and a bit of conduction.
This is why they wear out so quickly - they've improved this current model compared to the abysmal first gen but it absolutely won't last nearly as long as batteries in other EV's. The other thing is that you can only DCFC them once before they thermally throttle, so definitely no good for long trips.
finally someone who knows what they are talking about. nothing against nissan but the leaf is an abysmal car. the most important component of an EV is its battery and it's hard to find a worse battery commercially available. it's criminal they are still selling it let alone for $35k. I wouldn't even let my mother in law drive this car.
@May4th: Thank you, also agree with your points. I just don't think this car is worth even this low price with how severe the battery degradation will be and the thermal DCFC throttling.
TIL. Thank you for pointing this out! Similar to a recent post about the Cupra where the listed negatives immediately put me off considering it, your comment here has done the same for me.
@andytheturtle: No worries, glad to help. I also read the Cupra post and thought the negatives outweighed the positives.
There's no perfect car I guess!
Japanese EV technology is too old to Chinese companies.
Do you mean chinese copies?
Any deals on R35
Buy a used one now while everyone is obsessed with the R34
Nissan/Honda may not even exist to see out the warranty at this rate.
Nissan won't. Honda will hold a little longer.
They're basically two extremely poor swimmers using each other as a life preservation device.
LMAO. Nissan is still worse though.
And you thought batteries went "kaboom". New player has entered the game…
Lmao, no. The fuel itself would cost the same if not more than petrol.
You still need factories to create the hydrogen (no your local servo can't produce enough on its own).
Plus you're still using fuel to transport the hydrogen.
Do you really want a highly pressurised hydrogen bomb in your car?
Investors are pulling out of Hydrogen in a hurry. Over 20% of Eu projects are done, Origin dropped out of the Hunter Valley Hydrogen Hub in October. The only reason to invest in Hydrogen is to short it on the markets.
Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles have been an emerging technology for more than 20 years and they are still not readily available commercially. The cost of producing hydrogen and the lack of refueling infrastructure is what has always held this technology back. Not to mention you’re carrying highly compressed flammable gas that burns with an almost invisible flame at a much lower air to fuel ratio than LPG or CNG, which may cause some degree of aversion to this technology.
Electric vehicles have the advantage of being able to refuel at home either from the grid or from rooftop solar, albeit at a much slower charging rate than commercial fast charging stations, convenience and cost to refuel have a big influence on choice.
if this is the first gen LLEAF id avoid. they dont have thermal battery management so the battery health is gonna die quicker
It's the 2nd gen, which was better but still not fantastic. Comes with an 8 year battery warranty at least.
Go with either MG4 or Ora. They are better EVs and cheaper!
Does this come with the RB26DETT?
It's depressing to realise the Leaf has the same power as the R32 GTS-T.
Get this if you want to catch that last pokeman… It's called CHdeMO. gotta catch em all.
I think Nissan just need to drop the "Leaf" name. Too many crappy Simpsons style EVs the name is just tainted now.
Only 5 years warranty
Dude, Nissan company will be bankrupt soon. 5 years is moot.
you are out of date. Honda are merging with Nissan, Financially they are now safe.
It’s now the blind leading the blind.
Honda buying Nissan is one basket case clinging on for dear life, buying another basket case thinking that will help.
Unless they pull some sort of miracle rabbit out of a hat (they build an EV that rivals what is coming out of China), they’re both on the same sinking ship.
@Naigrabzo: Probably pressure from government or just the usual Japanese approach of protecting businesses even 2hen competitor's. Reality is Honda is 5 times the size of Nissan so they can afford it.
@gromit: Reality is Honda have no prospect of building an anywhere decent EV. That is the future. ICE over the next 5-10 years will start declining significantly.
In the US they are rebadging Chevy EV products to offer an EV. They are crap.
In China, they are almost irrelevant and their sales have tanked massively.
Europe will be a similar story with absolutely no decent EV offering(they’ve never been big there anyway).
Australia is not even a blip on their radar in remaining afloat (and is struggling here in any case).
This not the sign of a company that is going to be successful and lead the industry into the future.
They’re hoping they can leverage some of the EV tech developed by the Renault Nissan alliance, and pull a rabbit out of a hat, but they’re way too late to the game.
@bargaineer: While they have problems, it is definitely NOT to late to the game. The market is wide open, Australia is not a blip on anyones radar except as a dumping ground, we are tiny and irrelevant in the scheme of things.
@gromit: they can't compete though, they have no architecture, no supply chain, no battery tech. no money to make a huge investment to start from scratch. the best they can do is to rebadge like mentioned above. and even then cannot compete on pricing compared to the Chinese. they are too far behind to ever catch up. best they do do is to keep milking the ICE and hybrid train for as long as possible
@May4th: where the heck did you get the idea they have no money? They have around $55b AUD cash equivalents on hand and low debt. Honda are flush despite mediocre performance. They can license/buy tech from elsewhere till they get up to speed, hell even BYD happily sell and license the battery tech they need. If Honda change nothing sure they are in trouble, but they have plenty of years to sort things out.
@gromit: yes and that's been working really well for them so far from their soaring sale figures and new models.
basically the Nissan Mitsi merger was to pool resources to fight an existential battle in the new EV era. I guess time will tell
"According to the BBC, Makoto Uchida, the CEO of Nissan, stated that the combined sales of Honda and Nissan exceeded $191 billion (£152 billion). The two Japanese automakers decided to investigate a strategic alliance for electric vehicles (EVs) in March 2024. The discussions began because they feel that by 2030, they need to increase their capacity to combat them, particularly the forces that are already forming. If not, they will be defeated."
@May4th: mitsubishi also has a nice bucket of cash v$10b US, maybe the idea is to pool their huge cash piles to accelerate development, though I suspect the merger is not something Honda are all that happy with and may be being pushed into this as they don't need it at this point unless they are after specific assets of the other 2..
3rd day in a row with an EV deal? Or at least feels like it.
More. More. More. (Kylo Ren voice)
We're in the market for a replacement vehicle for my wife to drive. She drives to the shops, to work and sometimes down to the Gold Coast from Brisbane. Even with "only" 270km range something like this would do everything she needs and we would only need to charge at home.
I'd much rather spend $30k on a basic EV from an established brand than on a Chinese brand at this point in time.
On a lease this could be pretty cheap.
I'm in the same boat and the Leaf is currently the top of the list given their discounting. The range is short, but not a problem for what we want to use it for (2nd car, no long trips and charged every night) and I found it to be miles better than the MG4 to drive.
If you're thinking about one, go into a dealership as they are doing VERY aggressive pricing on these at the moment. Better than this deal.
I would only lease, simply because the FBT free status of the lease actually makes this cheaper to run on a weekly basis than the current car she has. But I will see what dealers are doing and pass that on to the lease mob.
But yes, it's a big jump from this bracket to the $55k+ bracket of things like the Model 3, and I can't see the benefit of spending that much extra for our particular use case.
Get a Toyota corolla and consider your options in 5 years. :) or if you are lazy like me, you can keep it for 20.
Nissan is going to go under soon.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/nissan-has-12-or-14-mo…
Your behind on your news. Honda and Nissan are merging, potentially with Mitsubishi also.
There is no possible way that the Japanese government is going to let that conglomerate go under.
The above article is from 28 Nov 2024. Are you saying it's a volatile situation for such news to change in the space of one month?? ;)
@LoftyAu: Great, so this deal is perfect given how volatile the company is currently. Especially when you consider warranty for a high value purchase.
*An established brand that may not even see out the warranty period vs a Chinese brand which are quickly becoming a dominant force in the EV space.
I know which one i'd choose. The ChiNA CaR bAd rhetoric really is more of a xenophobic thing than anything nowadays.
Not based on xenophobia, based on my experience and knowledge working in the security space.
I have no interest in buying products from Chinese-owned entities (as distinct from Chinese manufactured) because of the influence of CCP on Chinese entities.
I added the comment in to avoid the "just buy a Chinese EV" comments - I don't want one of them, simple as that.
what does ur security experience have any relevance to the manufacturing quality of EVs
even if they track and steal ur telemetry data. The non chinese companies do that too
It is not just a xenophobic thing but also paranoid thing. Above said 'because of the influence of CCP on Chinese entitities' LMAO. China is almost the biggest capitalist country, and will be the biggest in very near future. When Lenovo bought IBM's personal computer division there was the same paranoia that the same CCP would insert chips into the Lenovo computers and hacks personal data, but some years later NSA in the US has done so.
I'm sure all governments exert influence on companies.
I'm just not comfortable with it being a government that deliberately attacks our critical infrastructure https://www.cyber.gov.au/about-us/view-all-content/alerts-an… and telecommunications systems https://www.cisa.gov/resources-tools/resources/enhanced-visi….
You might call it paranoia, but it is happening.
Batteries degrade and lose power when on a lower soc, you can never "overpay" for a battery.
That 270km won't be 270km in 5 years time…sh*t going by everyone's inflated wltp scores I bet brand new that's 200km real world and 150km when you hit highways. Even less in winter… Even more less when you have the heater on.
Do you have any evidence that the range is only 150km?
Check forums on how much kw/100k people are getting. 150k would pro ably worst case scenario ie. Highway on winter with heater on
@krisspy: But that's not really practical though. Most people would have their heater on in the highway during winter.
Just better off buying a cheap ICE and reconsider your options in 5 years.
Alas, Nissan won't be around then.
Have a look at a used Ioniq.
Even this is better…. ;)
Does it have active battery cooling yet?
Yes, when Nissan CEO gets around to it.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/former-nissan-ceo-carl…
Haven't followed up since he was outed back during covid. Hilarious to see that he smuggled himself out of Japan and he's a fugitive now and even has a netflix doco lmao
I thought the 1st gen was terrible, even when it was nearly the only option (went in P90D the same day).
RANGE?
NIL.
Move on. We understand you dislike the car.
I can't. I bought a leaf and ran out of gas. No CHADEMO in sight.
200kms.
better than GWM ora.
Yuk ev for today standards. Most public dc charger are foregoing chademo socket for the foreseeable future. Maybe if the leaf top of the range was 25k I would consider it. Still overpriced for a company that in still in titanic mode.
There are better options out there, but I am sure that this fits someone's lifestyle and pocket.
Also, they're now starting to discover that battery capacity, even older technology, doesn't degrade as much as we thought.
I recently watched a video on YouTube, and there was a near-half-million-mile Tesla Model S that had lost about 10-15% of its range.
no matter how bad something is there will always be a buyer that is willing to passionately defend their purchase with their life, that is the beauty of consumer choice
Best to do your research before buying, as it uses a CHAdeMO plug which is quickly becoming obsolete at electric charging stations in favour of CCS2
Also, the battery thermal management system is very dated compared to the latest standards.
this really should be added to the description of the post.
ok so I finally bought this car. Here is a pic.
https://deepai.org/gallery-item/6e2f79577f87442fab2a8ae2e1c2…
Where’s the nsfw tag?
If only the MG4 didn't exist.
Anyone got one of the old / import leafs like a 2014-2018? I’m toying with the idea of one given the super cheap prices used but more in the $9k-$15k bracket. I know range is dreadful but the low price is appealing. I probably should look more at a used MG or something but keep looking at the low price of the leafs.
9k maybe but 15k not worth it.
Stretch it and get this.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2021-toyota-corolla…
Are you lost ?
You've just posted a whole bunch of junk opinions in this thread, which have mostly been downvoted into the greys - why are you wasting everyone's time here ?
Why are you wasting yours by replying? ;)
tbh, a super cheap EV that gets 80-120km isnt a bad investment for someone just wanting to get to work and back (or ferry the kids around)………
you might as well get a 3k beat up camry at this point because the battery (especially the one on the leaf) is much more likely to go caput relative to the amount of fuel you are saving
Let's assume the Camry costs $5k instead of 3k (sounds more reasonable to me). that 30k is used for petrol at $2L. So 15,000 L of petrol, at 10L per 100k for a old Camry means you get 150,000 KMs as your break even. If you can drive this for more KMs you get a more comfy and nicer ride and save on fuel, if you cant drive 150k KMs then the Camry is probably the better $$$ option (albeit less nicer and comfy).
I think its fair to assume the battery can last 150,000 KMs.
@cloudy: really? where are you charging for free for life of the vehicle? as for 150k km, for other EV batteries, yes, for this one, that is an optimistic projection with degradation
at the end of 150k that 5k camry you will sell for 3k and that leaf will go to landfill if you are lucky enough for it to last that long
It appears that leasing a $34k EV to do about 15000kms a year has about $120/wk impact on my take-home pay, thanks to the FBT exemption for EVs. Actual probably less if we charge it more cheaply.
A petrol car driven 15000km a year costs more than $100/wk to run (insurance, rego, fuel, servicing).
Just on that metric alone makes it compelling.
@LoftyAu: that depends on the balloon amount. if at the end of the 2 year lease you have to pay 55% balloon and your car is barely doing 100km as the poster below mentioned then that's a heavy loss you're taking
It’s probably better value to get a used Prius in that price range. I’ve looked a lot of the leafs at these prices and most have poor battery degradation. I did see a first generation for 7k with 9 out of the 12 bars still remaining but that seems to be uncommon for that price.
Sure, but Priuses and camrys still need fuel AND regular maintenance which (unless you do it yourself) can be a few hundred a year……if you are doing 60-80km a day commuting to work, a full electric (powered by solar) will save a lot of money!
@JuryWheel: Unfortunately though an old Leaf at comparable entry cost will typically have bad battery degradation. Getting that range you’re talking about is less likely on an older one. I had a mate buy one cheap with 70km range at the time, within a year of ownership it was down to 50km. Now needs an upgraded battery at considerable expense.
Hybrids are different to your traditional ICE vehicles, they offer excellent fuel economy around town and are much more reliable. So for most people they are still a better value proposition at the lower end of the used market. EVs will eventually get there but the first gen leaf and the other alternative don’t make much sense.
@Ronnnie: A hybrid also suffers from battery degradation though, so it seems weird to say don't buy an EV because battery degradation, but then recommend buying an old hybrid that also has a battery …
exactly. It’s an EV without the EV BS