The Nissan LEAF has been reduced by $5,000 across both models with the base variant now $34,990 and the e+ variant $44,990 drive away.
This is the second time the LEAF has been reduced in 12 months representing a saving of over $20,000 from the beginning to 2024.
You can search specs & price history at The Beep here.
@Naigrabzo: My thoughts too but the wheels thing is a bit of a trope which it doesn't deserve. That said, the BZ4X is very underwhelming. If they knock at least $25k off it it might be a better proposition….. Provided you could put up with how it looks….. Oof!
@Naigrabzo: I can say something positive about the BZ4X. It's slightly better value than the Mazda MX-30.
I enjoyed my brief loan of a leaf. Comfortable. Great 360 camera. Zippy.
Incorrect. The worst EV foisted to Australia was the Mazda MX30 EV.
$64K+ for less than 200km range.
Clearly haven't met an iMiev
V2G is the only reason you'll buy one.
Essentially a powerbank on wheels for your home.
The only certified inverter for V2G (and even then, only in SA) was discontinued quite some time ago. Unfortunately, although theoretically a great battery on wheels, you can no longer buy the parts to make it do so.
The outlook for Chademo V2G in Aus is VERY unclear at the moment. The new standards that were announced in October require all devices be certified and it's not clear whether anyone will bother going through that for anything other than CCS2.
I hope they do, but I wouldn't rely on it.
Yep should be ccs2 all the way now.
There are no reasons to buy a leaf right now. V2G is just a dream currently. Legislation could change any time. CHADEMO to you my good sir.
V2G is still a short t erm pipe dream. There is heaps of stuff to be sorted before it all becomes viable. Basically you want everything talking to to each other and centrally controlled. Home load monitored and supplied for, solar generation going to the best use and home battery balancing charge states with the EV. Right now my 3 year old solar needs a new inverter to just accommodate a battery so V2G is still miles off unless you want to be an early adopter and pay for beta testing.
Respectfully, it more sounds like you made a poor choice with the inverter model you purchased. Plenty of 3yo (and older) ones are battery-capable, and all the inter-connectedness and central control you mention has been available in plenty of models/ecosystems for a long time now.
That doesn’t mean V2G is definitely going to be viable anytime soon, but things are finally looking positive, with the standards recently being set and several products already in market that are V2G capable once their manufacturers finish the testing/certification process (and others in the pipeline).
Not really - got a solar edge inverter and was specifically told solar ready until they changed 'updated' their new product line that is no longer compatible with previous stuff. Most battery systems will only talk to their own inverters. When you quote, part of the cost is changing over the onverter. Other batteries include the inverter in the system like tesla so they dont even mention it. Get a quote and tell me I'm wrong.
39kwh is absolutely terrible in 2025 as well, you would be lucky to get 200kms per charge.
probably more than adequate for a lot of people that just use around town. easily double what my wife needs as we always take my car when going out of the city, Still wouldn't get one but 200km's is heaps for plenty of people.
This is perfect second-car range for most families.
Very few two car families in Australia need BOTH cars to do multi-hour-long trips.
35k is a good price point for dropping off the kids and doing the shopping.
Free fuel because it's parked at home during the sunniest part of the day adds up quickly too.
Except now you need two different incompatible EVSE.
edit: didn't realise new model leafs have Type 2 AC inlet.
nah if u dont own a landcruiser and raptor, are you even australian
I would be happy with 200km range
I recently bought a 3 year old Ioniq 38 kWh Premium that had done 27000 km. Range pushes 300 km. I only do country driving so it’s a little hard to get it to show city range. For $26k it’s great. $40k less than a BMW i4 demo which is a similar size and format car (better performance and range). Doesn’t feel $40k cheaper.
I don’t think I’d pick a Leaf over an MG4, though I didn’t try a Leaf.
Just curious how you went about it - through a dealer or private sale?
A dealer. I test drove one in Brisbane (just happened to be there) to see how it was, then bought online from Hobart (I live in northern TAS).It was an ok price. I find it a very nice car, just a tad more tyre noise on coarse chip than I’d like (my previous car is very quiet), but with a tyre change and insulation I reckon that can be solved. You might think why not get an MG4 for not much more, but this felt virtually new and has loads of extras you have to buy an upper model MG to get. Feels better than the MG too.
I would buy from a private buyer too. Either get the 28 kw model, or a 38 built after 17 May 2021.earlier 38’s have an issue with a bad type of coolant used that needs to be well flushed out. It can be done, but an added thing to consider.
@freeb1e4me: It’s the original Ioniq - a medium sized hatchback. A modest car. Not super quick or huge, but perfectly fine for a lot of people.
How do you get 300k out of a 38kwh battery? I have heard the ioniq is efficient but 300km is a lot, are you hwy cycle and what's the Avg speed?
That would be city and based on user group info. My type of driving (country) doesn't allow that, but still isn’t bad. I’ve only had it a short time and only done one trip that tested it. Got 225 km on my first drive in it (home from dealer) doing 110 kmph with AC on from 96% capacity to 5%. I wasn’t trying for economy.
It’s because it’s one of the most efficient EV’s as it’s modest weight (partly because the battery is small), good aerodynamics (not being a stupid SUV) and driven by old farts that aren’t obsessed with speed.
Range pushes 300 km. I only do country driving so it’s a little hard to get it to show city range
This sounded misleading, I was thinking you are getting 300km on the highway. The clarification you posted makes perfect sense though.
I don't mind the ioniq, it's a shame that it's probably more expensive than it should be, but if you find one at an auction it could be as low as $20k. It's probably a bit more refined and efficient than an MG ZS EV but the latter in now cheaper, still has warranty, is easier to find and goes a bit further, and maybe it a touch bigger? Or maybe not
@Jackson: Yes sorry. I could have written it more clearly. Say 250km highway, 290 km city (but people have got more). It has a heat pump so winter doesn’t get as big a reduction as some.
This is the thing - it’s kitted out quite well (for its age and the price they’re selling for). Premium model has heated steering wheel, heated & ventilated leather seats, opening sunroof. All the guidance stuff works quite well. CarPlay & Android Auto.
Its biggest problem is it doesn’t charge fast, so if you want something to do trips longer than its range, the charge stops will be slow. The 28 kWh version actually charges faster, but lower range.
Walk into any Nissan dealership and they'll give you better than this price, in some cases by quite a lot. I got offered one for $33k just before Christmas and that was without even asking for a best price, I'd be amazed if you couldn't get even lower than that.
So meaning $30k is easily achievable?
I have seen demos with ~10k on the clock as cheap as $26k
10k is NOT a demo anymore, its a used car, and yeah would expect under $25k for that sort of mileage
Not sure about easily, but could be possible. $31k or $32k should definitely be obtainable I'd think though. They really want to move these things before the next model.
Wish they will bring in the Nismo Ariya as next model instead
270km range and used the old chademo DC charging standard that will not being used as the new charhing standard, why would anyone get this over an Ora or MG4.
This is type 2 chief. Older leafs had chademo
The current Leafs still have chademo as their DC option, alongside the Type 2 AC.
Ok yeah just saw that on the spec sheet.
Good God Nissan, I get that chademo is still big in Japan but surely some analyst would've pointed out that countries that barely have chademo chargers won't buy this crap.
They deserve all the failure through the life of this product imo. Thanks for helping Tesla kickstar the ev race I guess.
@krisspy: DC fast charging was never really the target use case on these anyway. They're designed to be city cars that do 50-100km a day and charge up overnight.
They've clearly been holding onto this model for as long as possible and not wanting to spend a cent doing things like switching chargers on it. Assuming the new model comes out as planned later this year, it will certainly be CCS2.
@noisymime: Nissan doesn't have any money to spend. They are about to go out of business my good sir.
@WhyAmICommenting: If I were Honda, I'd cut all employees who have been continuing leaf development.
@Naigrabzo: I'd cut any of my staff aswell if they were spending their time developing a competitor's vehicle
@krisspy: I meant once they merge. There are so many good reasons for the companies to merge soon.
https://www.designrush.com/news/honda-ceo-struggles-to-expla…
I have a (imported) leaf. Its easily big enough for a family of 4 to use on the daily. We have 2 young kids and taking it to the shops with a pram and coming home with groceries just works. The ora and mg4 just seem too small for family daily use. Plus one pedal driving the others don't have which is a plus.
And contrary to everyone on here saying its the worst car and never driven one or even seen one, it's a good car and fun to drive around town.
I've test driven the ora and my cousin has just purchased an mg4. I wouldn't swap for either.
Does it give you that instant torque punch feel if you floor it? I actually only need to drive like 14km to work and back home, so daily under 30km range, I hardly even go any long trips, all i need is to top it up every 2 days even no need for setup any fast charge at home, only thing really want is power tailgate.
Yeah, there's enough torque to jerk your head back if you're not ready for it.
I've just got a regular 15a plug at home, charge almost everyday when the suns out and we're not using it. (Mornings mainly). Never have range issues with the 40kw. People don't realise how little distance they actually travel, my wife asks me if she'll make it to school dropoff (4km)and back with 25% charge 😅
My friend had a Leaf over 10 years ago, he let me drive it, it was an amazing car for the time that had one pedal driving. Small range (but was advanced for the time). It is just sad that they were one of the first to market and Nissan had such a head start but they did not develope the car and just stuck with ICE where they made the money. Now there are so many better EVs from other suppliers (Tesla, BYD etc) and ICE demand is reducing. They really could have been in a much better place..
BYD dolphin is a terrible car. Base model at least. Base leaf is much better.
But yes, I would upgrade for a seal or tesla.
The plan was driven by Carlos, who suffered from Japan's special type of racism, and with his departure the car suffered
Would love a base model leaf, only problem is no CCS charging, makes going anywhere more than 200km away a problem.
What is ccs?
CCS is the DC charging standard that they have all around Australia. Tesla, BYD and almost all other EV support CCS just Nissan Leaf doesn't support it.
Plugshare is a great site to see all the chargers around Australia, on the filter select plug type select CCS2 and you will see them, you can select Chademo and see the chargers that support the Leaf, still quite a lot on the East coast but there will be not many new ones going in as only the Leaf
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Sad to see how Nissan has fallen behind on the game considering the OG leaf was the first mass produced ev. But then again, the leaf was plagued with issues all its life.
Should've just made a cut-down GTR for the masses imo.
OMG yes bring back the GTR!!!
Nissan, Honda and Mitsubishi are shadows of their former selves.
All I see are whatever the hell an Eclipse Cross is and soccer mums in AXS's.
Honda is still in great shape, just because they don't sell much in Australia doesn't mean they aren't performing well in other markets with excellent products, which they are
Yeah especially USA is a good market for them.
In OZ, Civic is 47k base/only model though. 75k for type R (still nice car)
Look, not a fan of EVs as much as the next rock banging neanderthal but these downvotes are pretty crappy.
Look at the car, consider the use case. Why would you even want to drive more than 200km in it? pro tip - if you dont, then its not designed for you. The same way a golf cart isn't designed for long distance driving. You lot need to relax, for ma pa kettle this thing is perfect for the odd trip to the shops, doctors or whatever else. I encourage people that WFH and do little more than drive to the shops to actually consider a small EV like this, because you guys are the perfect use case. Granted its pricey for its size and category, even at 35k they will need to be way more competitive because ma pa kettle don't care where their car came from.
Can we just look at this stuff objectively rather than the hurrah about electric cars being bad? Why is the argument always "ah but I cant do X trip on a single charge so its just shitty and no good for anyone". Different tools for different jobs guys think deeper than just EV bad.
ETA: At least its not an MG.
Yeah true. Although If I paid similar money to get a Toyota corolla say, I can drive 400km etc if I want to. It would be more versatile as a car even 15 years from now.
It all boils back down to my original point - specific tools for specific uses. If you need to drive 400km then that car is simply not for you, my annoyance comes from people acting as if a car is objectively bad just because they cant do that once in 5 years trip to the next state across, or whatever.
You pay similar money for a Toyota Corolla(see my point about it not really being a competitive price even at 35k) but then we must add the context around it because its not a like for like comparison, in the corolla you also pay for fuel and maintenance on the engine, its not like you are just paying 35k for the same thing in a different flavour.
I am not a specific user. Just normal use around town and occasionally want to have the option of 400km plus without having any major issues or delays.
It's not too much to ask from a 35k car IMHO. This is 2024 after all.
@Naigrabzo: Want and need are very different though, its a personal choice thing. You just gotta think really hard if you actually need it, if that odd 400km+ drive you need to go on can be sorted out by renting a car from GoGet for the day or whatever, you are still going to be up on top financially doing it that way than having a car that can do 400+km that only ever does that once a year anyway.
With the way inflation is going its actually kinda sad what 35k can get you these days vs even 5 years ago, thought we would see repreve after covid but aside from vehicles being available again everything is still just stupid expensive.
@doobey1231: I agree with your sentiment of cars being expensive. I really kick myself that I didn't get a Corolla when they were 28k only a few years ago. My last Corolla 2004 lasted me until 2020 when I decided to sell it for 6k (with 200k on the clock and literally no issues). I bought it for 17k one year old…
It just feels wrong to me that I could use my old car from 2011 (with 210k on it) and easily go on a road trip but this brand new car Nissan Leaf, I won't be able to… Apparently only can be used around town. It just doesn't feel like technological improvement to me. YMMV; literally.
I'm a pretty strong EV advocate, but there's no way I'd recommend buying a brand new Leaf, even at this heavily discounted price.
Look at the car, consider the use case. Why would you even want to drive more than 200km in it?
I had a beat-up Corolla for several years - it was almost exclusively used for daily commutes and the odd Bunnings run, but I once drove it to a couple of boy's weekends (~500km round trips) and into the big smoke (250km round trip) a few times. When the Corolla was written off after getting rear-ended, I seriously considered a used Leaf (the only affordable EV available) to replace it, but my biggest concern was that those occasional longer trips simply wouldn't have been viable with a short-range EV. It didn't make sense to buy a car that was so obviously less capable than the one it replaced.
specific tools for specific uses
Having a specific use case in mind is fine, but who hasn't occasionally used a shifting spanner as a hammer, or a screwdriver as a lever? A more versatile vehicle simply means it's useful in more situations, even ones you haven't considered or anticipated.
The simple fact is that there are more modern and more capable EV options available at a similar price, with long warranties and significantly better range. That simply means that even if you only plan to use your EV for the daily commute and grocery shop, there is absolutely no reason not to also use it for occasional longer drives.
If you want a small EV at around this price point, IMO you'd be crazy not to choose the MG4 instead.
What is ma pa kettle
Just a play on this - primarily referring to the demographic that in my eyes would be the most suitable consumer but I couldn't think of a simplistic name for "people that don't need to travel more than 50km a day total"
Hmm my gen Y brain can't compute ma pa boiling kettle thing but I now sorta get what you're referring to
@yellowfever: Its a weird one, pretty sure its something my family uses, mum used to watch it and I got it from her its like calling someone old mate I think, but a cute old couple going to the shops doesnt really suit old mate I guess
The negs is for the horrendous range, dated tech & essentially zero resell value.
This is a complete waste of money if you ever don't want to see a cent again as I guarantee in 5-6 years you will get nothing when you go to sell it.
The negs are not made for personal opinions though. Downvoting because a consumable product loses value is absolutely moronic.
what do you mean? the negs absolutely are for personal opinions as long as it's justified and relevant to the deal 'ie. dated, horrible range'
is it just not for personal opinions that conflicts with yours?
@May4th: Nope, not putting my bias into it, I would never buy a leaf its not even close to fitting my use case. I have no horse in this race. Horrible range is subjective and that's why its shitty to downvote based on that. Its like downvoting a hammer cause it can't drive a stake into the ground.
I will rephrase for you - downvoting a product because it doesn't do a job it was never designed to do is moronic.
The funny part is there is a genuine reason to downvote the product - in my humble opinion it is overpriced for what it is, but instead the majority went to the generic EV sh*t slinging fest instead, where the argument doesn't even make sense.
@doobey1231: I'm not sure what the issue is, the poster said
horrendous range, dated tech & essentially zero resell value.
which is all true, the resell value is a bit exaggerated and a moot point as you said but otherwise it sounds pretty spot on for me
@May4th: The range is fine for the use case, dated tech some would consider a benefit rather than a hinderance and dont buy a new car if you care about resale value.
Like I said, different tools, for different uses
Its a really really simple concept - just because it doesn't suit you, that does not make it a bad product.
@doobey1231: not sure why you keep trying to convince everyone it's the perfect car, it's irrelevant to the discussion. we were talking about the neg, not the car, and how it's a valid neg as they clearly justified why they negged it. you can spin it whichever way you want, but you have to accept that not everyone shares your opinion, as much of a surprise it is to you.
no one cares whether 200km is good enough for you when there are similarly priced cars with 400km range, or whether being dated is somehow a good thing. as you say, it works for some, not for others, what you do with your money is up to to you. I just don't see why you have a problem with other people negging the deal based on legitimate concerns because they don't think it's good value and think they are moronic for disagreeing with you. it is a really simple concept isn't it
@May4th: Im not, and if you think that is what I am trying to do then you clearly lack reading comprehension. If anything I am saying there is no perfect car.
I am not sure how you are misinterpreting sentences that are barely two lines long..
@doobey1231: I really don't care what you are trying to do or say, I just want you to stop calling people who disagree with you morons, but that's a tough ask in this day and age
@May4th: yeah thats not happening when its an objectively moronic take, and I am not sorry about it at all.
@doobey1231: ah there we have it the morons usually do reveal themselves eventually after pretending to be otherwise
getting butthurt over negs is the real moronic thing here.
@chadleyshe: Such a knuckle dragger comment to make. I am having a discussion, its your own fantasy to believe if you think I am actually upset about it, whatever makes your life more interesting I guess..
@doobey1231: Well you are the one who took time out of their day to go on a big sook about people negging it.
However, we digress.
WFH folk who don't commute by car daily are actually the wrong use case for EVs. They depreciate faster than you can save money on fuel. This cohort would be better suited to a PHEV - enough range for short trips, but fuel for longer trips when required.
The best use case is actually high mileage folks , although the shorter range version would be struggling a bit. For the bigger battery one, 385 (or 340km real) is suitable for a heavy user.
Siiiiigh
Its a consumable product mate. The best way you save money on a consumable is by not buying it, otherwise accept the fact you will lose money on it. I don't understand why people are so latched onto this resale value crap.
They depreciate faster than you can save money on fuel.
Good thing all cars depreciate though, so whatever you bought instead is still shitting the bucket for value after a few years and you gotta pay for fuel still and you gotta pay for engine maintenance as well.
Its literally the only argument people hang onto and it makes no sense whatsoever. If depreciation is your biggest concern buy a 20 year old corolla thats hit rock bottom, problem solved. Going in and spending 35k on a car then womping about its depreciation is moronic and you won't change my mind.
I disagree, WFH folk are perfect for EV usage, especially if they have solar panels on their roof. But we can discuss this in more detail if you provide more detail. But I am not entertaining the depreciation crap, its a favorite of OZB'ers and i am yet to see any logic behind it. If a vehicles depreciation is that much of a concern for you, buying a new car is not for you.
Yep - why would anyone even be looking at a new car if they care so much about depreciation?
If you want minimal depreciation, then you should only be looking at the used market 🤷🏼♂️
@rodericb: Haha nice one dude. I really want to say something good about hte BZ4X. I really like Toyota cars in general… My RAV4 has 310k and still going.
Please give me a few years. I will come up with something positive.