Well, in a back flip to last year, Woolies have decided to bring back Aus Day promos.
Woolworths has announced this year customers will notice more Australia Day signage in its stores than they did last year.
No word of merch specifically, but reading between the lines:
He also said BIG W, which is owned by Woolworths Group, would sell products people might want as they gathered over the long weekend.
Poll like last year to see what everyone's view is this time around.
I mean it's still crap, and will still end up in landfill
And that is the most pertinent issue. What are we saying about Australia when we create cheap rubbish that ends up becoming real rubbish? If we really cared about our country we would minimise the amount of rubbish we dump on it.
yeah mate, but how is this different to a lot of the stock they have on their shelves using throw-away plastic etc, eg fruit & veg, meat etc. People who buy it see it as having value. They have made a positive step in being less woke and letting people decide for themselves - they are a consumer goods provider - nothing else. By not selling any Aus Day merchandise they were sending a clear message - one that did not reverberate with national society as a majority.
@dunster: They didn’t let people decide for themselves they kicked up a fuss to force a company to sell what they didn’t want to. The sort of people who misuse woke could’ve bought their tat from anywhere else.The issue just reverberated with a small minority that answered the dog whistle of the usual rightwing suspects. Funny how the rightwing decries “cancel culture” until they are the ones doing it.
If Australia Day is all about selling cheap tat that becomes landfill then maybe we should review it. That certainly isn’t doing anything of value.
@try2bhelpful: It's funny, no one mentions anything about Halloween and the tonnes of waste it produces - that, and not actually celebrating anything from it. From growing up in country Qld Australia Day was a huge day, great cricket & enjoying a lamb on the BBQ. God bless Sam Kekovich. Need more like him.
@dunster: Frankly I don’t think we need the plastic crap from any of them. Make your own merch and buy food.
If we cared about rubbish we'd have a plasma furnace at every tip.
Rubbish isn't a problem, it's an underutilised resource.
@cfuse: https://www.explainthatstuff.com/plasma-arc-recycling.html
Interesting concept that hasn’t been scaled up yet. Still better to not have the waste in the first place.
@try2bhelpful: We are not getting rid of waste no matter how hard we tighten the belt because plenty of everyday objects are currently impossible to recycle. It doesn't matter when, it's ending up in landfill because it has nowhere else to go.
We need to adjust our mindset about the nature of the problem if we hope to mitigate it. Using less has its place but it isn't enough on its own. We need to be able to walk into a landfill and make it half as big.
@cfuse: Sorry, my answer was ambiguous. I don’t disagree with you but I think it is a multi pronged attack. Minimise waste creation to start with, reuse, recycle and then destroy. We spend a lot of resources and energy making short term use rubbish. Better not to make it to start with.
Ah yes I saw these in there already
They are pandering as they tanked their public image
I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that you don't respect inclusivity
Any chance you also think recent immigrants should "Go back where they came from"?
Fact is Australia day isn't on the day of the "invasion", simply it has nothing to do with that other than people deciding if did. Australia day was about everyone coming together as a country to celebrate what is good in our current society, not the past BS not the future BS it's about those here now celebrating each other and the land we live in.
Simply put, society is dumb and creates its own issues
@Slippery Fish: There are so many other days that are a better fit for “Australia Day”. Please Google about the history of Australia Day and the other options that are available. That day was chosen in the 1930s to specifically commemorate something that happened in NSW in 1788.
The most logical day to celebrate is January 1st when we became one nation.
The Commonwealth of Australia was declared on 1 January 1901 at a ceremony held in Centennial Park in Sydney. However we already have a public holiday on that day.
I do agree that society is dumb and creates its own issues.
If we aren’t going to remember anything then just pick a different neutral day we “celebrate” on. Nobody should have an issue with that. Simples.
WCON.
@try2bhelpful: Why illude to it and not tell me the story, your trying to be helpful lol :)
I don't agree with changing the date just because someone decided to take offence, reactive decisions urk me.
I'll have a google but that's what I and likely most who want to celebrate it see it as.
@Slippery Fish: No probs.
Wiki on Australia day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Day
Alternative options
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Day_debate
Australian citizenship and rights
https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/journals/ALRCR….
Look at the dates associated with the aboriginal people.
Just some background.
@try2bhelpful: Obviously we can't use January 1 as that is taken already and already too much going on at Christmas and New Years
@MrFrugalSpend: More than anything else we hold our public holidays sacrosanct. If we made it the 2nd of January I think a lot of people would get onboard. Make the Christmas/New Year holiday an extra long break.
@try2bhelpful: Well I certainly wouldn't be on board
I'd like to have long weekends and public holidays more spaced out.
Pick a day late in the year - in my hometown our "Show Holiday" is around easter time, along with everything else.
There is almost all the public holidays bunched together from Christmas to mid-year then only one otherwise.
@MrFrugalSpend: You should come to Victoria. Not only do we get a public holiday for a horse race we get one the day before the Grand Final.
I can hear what you are saying but over the Christmas/New Year is when families can get time off together because the kids are off school. Also the weather is usually pretty good. Often people take the days off between to get a long holiday together. I still think most people would see this as optimal. YMMV and a quite valid point.
@try2bhelpful: Easy fix, 1 January, Australia Day, 2 January, public holiday in lieu of New Years Day. If on a weekend, then the the next 2 week days. Simples!
@Slippery Fish: yep while i think a collective ideal seems to be dead in this country much like others plagued with this me vs 'em US- like thinking, i must say i was impressed at an accident scene the other day, all these tradies dropped their lunches to help divert traffic and call 000 to help with some kid that came of his motorcyle. Most of us were probably from the four corners of the planet but it didnt matter some guy's bad day couldnt have gone better (he was ok mostly scrapped from not wearing proper gear, but nothing broken). I've been at other accidents that "coming together" to help some guy off the road isnt always present in other places.
Having skin in game is the level of inclusivity I accept. Do you want this to work or not, and are you willing to put in the work required for that?
It's no great mystery who hates Australia, nor who hypocritically has the hand out whilst they're doing it. If a person wants us to fail then I don't give a damn what their citizenship is.
Fifth columnists are the worst.
I remember woolworths, they used to be a supermarket.
I remember supermarkets. Now there's Aldi.
And I wish Woolworths and Coles would learn from Aldi. There's no reason for supermarkets to only sell food. Sure, there's a full range of stores in the CBDs, but most of do our shopping in small local shopping centres with a limited range of stores and products. And a supermarket. As long as they don't canibalise the other stores in the shopping centre, they should sell a wider range of stuff.
Woolworths has Big W and Coles has Kmart. A lot of the bigger shopping centres have all four.
Coles does not own Kmart. Coles is owned by Coles Group Limited. Kmart is owned by Wesfarmers.
Wesfarmers previously also owned Coles, but split it off in a demerger (spin off) then gradually sold its shareholding in Coles.
Currently, Wesfarmers owns Bunnings, Kmart, Target, Officeworks, Beaumont Tiles, Catch, various pharmacies, various resources companies (materials/chemicals), etc.
Coles Group only owns Coles Supermarket, Liquorland, Vintage Cellars and First Choice Liquor.
@ForkSnorter: Interesting, I had assumed since both Coles and Kmart use Flybys they must be the same company.
Turns out Coles Group and Wesfarmers each own 50% of Flybuys through the joint venture Loyalty Pacific
totally agree mate, I'm an Aussie through & through - lived in Mount Isa for 10 years, and not proud of our polititians and some of our history, but most countries in the world have pride in their flag and national day which most do… a positive move from what the business decided last year. Should stick to selling salmon, scotch fillet steak and strawberries….
Safeway??
wait so you're anti-free speech
His pro free-speech as long as it is his sides
lol and what side is that?
*He's
Do shoppers not have the free right to choose where they shop at?
Can always trust a lib to use semantics to come at you.
Certain true of a Liberal party member. They want to cancel the choices people make including how people live their own lives.
@try2bhelpful: wOt?
And who here is a liberal party member?
And the rest of what you said, what’s that got to do with this post or my comment
@try2bhelpful: Why volunteer that information in the first place? I dont remember asking you anything about the liberal party..
Also, not so long ago you claimed that the Labour Party is right wing. Everything seems right wing for someone as radical as you.
And now we start with the personal attacks.
You are misremembering stuff again
My reference was not to you at all. It was showing there are two sides to the coin. You were only presenting one side
On the contrary I wasn’t making any political statements at all but was commenting on the flip flop nature of corporations.
You are literally seeing things again, like the that other time you went on a long crying rant about Trump and tagged me in it. Insane
I’m flattered you follow my work.
Wtf?
You directly replied to me with that unhinged nonsense,
Labor party is right wing. That is just a fact.
lol okay,
@Gervais fanboy: Hmm, “you can always trust a lib to use semantics”. So exactly what were you trying to say with that line? This was a personal attack, just on someone else rather than me.
My comment was on the your use of “libs” and pointing out that they might be called the “Liberal party” but they are a long way from liberal in how they think. The other side of the coin.
I don’t misremember anything you comment on. And now others can see you attacking me more by saying I was ranting about something else. You speak about bringing in irrelevancies. You should speak to the ideas without making it personal.
Anyone objectively reading our posts can see I’ve been at pains not to attack you directly. A pity you can’t provide people with the same courtesy.
This was a personal attack, just on someone else rather than me.
Firstly, holy mother of victimhood.
That wasn’t a ‘personal attack’.
Second, you don’t know about all the times Tith’s disingenuously come at me. ‘Lib’ isn’t even a ‘personal attack’ ffs. I only say it coz it bothers and triggers him.
Also, how is any of this a reason for you to bring up your issues with the liberal party members and rest of all the nonsense you came up with?
My comment was on the your use of “libs” and pointing out that they might be called the “Liberal party”
You gave a different BS reason earlier and now you have changed to this
Also, you say ‘might’ to admit your uncertainty and yet you talk and express yourself with such brazenness. The sheer arrogance.
You are 100% wrong anyways.
This is why you shouldn’t interject in other people’s conversations without knowing anything about them.
And now others can see you attacking me more by saying I was ranting about something else.
“Attacking you”
You are the prototype SJW btw.
Offended by everything, Ashamed of nothing,
I’ve been at pains not to attack you directly.
Keep lying.
@Gervais fanboy: I will just let people look at both of our posts and make up their own minds. WCON.
So you're pro-cancel culture?
Sure they do.
Do cooperations have the right to sell stuff?
Cancel the cancellers first.
Not everything needs to be made political. Woolworths pulled a line of merchandise from sale because it assessed the demand wasn't there, and now it's re-introduced it either because the demand is there or they made an incorrect assessment in the first place. That's how business should work, matching supply to demand. But these days everyone wants ammo to further their political viewpoints or agendas.
Absolutely. Maybe Woollies looked at how heavily they had to discount stuff, and the pile of plastic junk sitting in their warehouses, and decided selling tat made overseas wasn’t a good business model. At least now they are talking about Australian made stuff. I would love to see what the analysis shows them this year. Will these people who complained actually buy anything?
There are a myriad of alternatives these people could’ve bought their stuff from but they decided on culture wars instead. It tends to be the same people who bang on about freedom of choice and companies making their own decisions.
" a myriad of alternatives these people could’ve bought their stuff from"
That would deprive them of the opportunity to out-Karen the Karens
They made a very incorrect assessment inline with luxury beliefs that a large chunk of the population despises. That is inherently political. Then they screwed up all the messaging around it (as the comments ITT demonstrate). It's divisive, and pointlessly so.
They literally could have done nothing and come out better here. Instead they chose to piss on a flag that people have died for, that was always sold as a loss leader. These people are morons. It's like they've invented negative marketing or something.
(profanity) I’m glad I don’t have the bandwidth to get outraged over this bullshit.
@YellowDieselGolf: You care about something enough to take your patronage away. That's all this is, except for others on a matter to which you claim indifference.
What do you mean by 'luxury beliefs'? Did you mean 'luxury items'? I don't know who has money to throw away on this kind of virtue signalling crap. The people I trust least are those who need to declare their commitment the loudest.
@CodeExplode: To hypocritically hate the means that allows one to openly advocate treason and sedition is the very definition of a luxury belief.
It's no coincidence that the same people that lockstep detest any form of patriotism always live somewhere affluent, ethnically homogenous, and where you can buy a very expensive coffee with some stupid picture dripped into the froth. They don't understand what living a life without the flag they spit on is like because they never have. They often have never experienced any sort of hardship in their life at all.
To you, the flag means nothing. To me, the flag is something my grandfather had to kill people under so we all got to live the lives we have today. Why would you care about something you don't understand (especially experientially) and therefore don't value? The flag is just a bit of cheap tat to you. It isn't to me. Doesn't matter if it is one that is attached to a toothpick in a sandwich, I know what it represents every single time I see it. Importantly, I also know what it doesn't represent.
The people I trust the least are traitors. No forgiveness is possible for a person deceitfully using your good nature to materially harm you. The witless traitor would need to show great contrition to even hope for the possibility of redemption in my eyes.
To me, the flag is something my grandfather had to kill people under so we all got to live the lives we have today.
Then I assume your grandfather would be horrified and insulate by those that 'honour his sacrifice' by buying cheap made overseas items that desecrate the flag, wear the flag as a cape, using Australia day as an excuse for a 'piss up' playing two up etc etc…
Those are the kind of people your grandfather likely would consider 'witless traitors'
@SBOB: I'm sure he would have had a lot to say about all of the world today. Just like anyone born that long ago would. As I have said elsewhere, you don't do things today worrying about what that will mean in 80 years. Neither did he.
Unfortunately, he's dead and I'm not, so you're stuck with my opinions rather than his.
That crap merch exists is less of a concern to me than people looking for an excuse to obliterate the celebration entirely. I don't suppose you've noticed how little complaint there is about flag protocol for the Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander ones? Funny that, it's almost like they're just a means to an end.
@cfuse: Funnily enough we aren’t seeing a lot of tat places that are selling the Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander flags. Don’t see a lot of underwear or snotty masks made out of them either.
So you are trying to hijack the sacrifice of others to try to advance your own opinions. That is just despicable. Me I honour the memory of the people who have fought for my freedoms. I have a nephew that is in the forces. The thought he is doing it so corporations can sell cheap tat is a massive insult.
@cfuse: JFC, "advocating treason and sedition" from saying I don't like cheap crap nor find people who feel the need to boast about their loyalty the loudest to be very trustworthy.
You are exactly the kind of person I was describing, seeming like you just want an excuse to hurt others and will use some claimed imaginary statements to justify your jihad and unprovoked bloodlust, claiming some nonsense about doing it because you're the most loyal somehow, so loyal you'll find any excuse to turn on your neighbours and start dumb witch hunts. Worse, you add in some stolen valour from somebody else's actions, and are too narcissistic to even imagine that maybe you're not the only one of us with a relative who has fought in a war or died in WWII.
@CodeExplode: I know exactly who shares my values and who doesn't. So do you. We both act accordingly.
FFS. People didn’t “die for the flag” so it can be turned into underwear or snotted on masks. This cheap tat is a massive disrespect of the flag. For you to try to use their sacrifice to justify selling this tat is the most massive disrespect of all. I’m sure the people starving in POW camps were thinking “at least my sacrifice was worth it so people can buy cheap Chinese tat from Woollies”. Maybe you should go visit the war memorial and see what their sacrifice really meant.
@try2bhelpful: People did die for the flag, but their concerns were a bit more immediate than what might happen 80 years down the road. The future is never what you expect (other than your descendants criticising what you did and why through a lens of hindsight).
Woollies committed an unforced strategic error by courting controversy they didn't need to. I think that error was obvious and avoidable. It doesn't matter what I might believe politically or about the flag, what matters is that attitudinal polling of the population on the matter exists (and could easily be reproduced in house) and Woollies should have taken that into account prior to burning reputation for zero gain.
As for what sacrifice means, I can't decide between listening to my grandfather talking about seeing people gutted in the African desert in WWII or our family friend that was that special kind of military talking about blowing limbs off with a Steyr in Africa in modern times. Memorials have their place, but they're very sanitised and no substitute for talking to people.
@cfuse: I’ve been to the war memorial in Canberra a number of times and I’ve been to the Shrine of remembrance. Funnily enough none of the exhibits discussed forcing corporations to sell cheap tat for landfill. The most moving part of the memorial was the discussion on the POW camps and saying nobody died alone. That when they had nothing left but comfort to each other that is what they did.
You are reducing the flag they fought under to a bunch of cheap disposable rubbish. Talk about pissing on it. How on earth is that honouring what your grandfather experienced? Stop trying to peddle jingoistic nonsense. Frankly most households would not have bought Australia Day single use rubbish. It is only the noisy minority who answer the dog whistle. OTT emotional rubbish arguments are the stick in trade of the rightwingers.
Woollies was still selling Australua day food, which is something of use.
If your grandfather was fighting in WW2 then he was born before Australia Day was even a thing because it started in 1936. It is highly unlikely he would’ve celebrated the day before he went to war. As you say this is your opinion not his so why are you dragging him into this?
My nephew is currently in the armed forces and he isn’t doing it to force Woollies to sell cheap rubbish.
WCON.
@try2bhelpful: I see the flag as a symbol. Nothing more or less. It could be fingerpainted for all I care.
No doubt you'd see a travesty in a child's drawing of the flag or in getting it painted on their face on Australia day. How dare they honour or celebrate the nation in a manner not meeting your standards! Thank God we all elected you to be the arbiter of what's right and fair. Where would be be if we had to make up our own minds as to where the lines in the sand are? Seriously, Karen, you need to stop.
As for noisy minorities, they're often also the ones prepared to actually do something about things. Politics isn't about consensus, it's about horse trading (which is why we are constantly subject to laws we were never consulted on, let alone had an opportunity to vote for). Being noisy gets way more results than sitting there passively doing nothing. That is something so patently obvious that it shouldn't need to be said, but here we are.
Emotional arguments are everyone's trade. If you want the average person onside then logic and ideology won't cut it. You don't try to sway their mind, you sway their heart. You don't give them an argument, you tell them a story they can believe. People don't say "I support my nation because of thousands of years of ideology concerning sovereignty, government, society, organising principles, etc.", people say "I love my country".
The Australian flag, and certainly the nation, existed well before Australia Day did. If you're going to be mendacious about nationalism at least do it a bit better.
As for the don't speak of your Grandfather, just let me yap about my nephew rubbish, give it a rest you hypocrite. We both have opinions, the difference is that I'm using my direct experiences of what people have said right to my face about what they did and why, and you're using little digger Timmy as a human shield for your own opinions. Go on, give him a call for once and actually ask him why he serves. Might be nice to hear some real opinions for a change.
@cfuse: People died for their country or a salary. If there's anybody in history who died for a simplistic rectangular property identifier they would have to be one of the dumbest mfing humans to have ever lived.
@cfuse: A piece of cheap throw away tat is a pretty poor symbol. Would you consider acceptable if people bought Australian flag toilet paper?
@try2bhelpful: I am happy to support freedom of expression, inclusive of that to which I have objections.
The entire point of wiping your ass on someone's flag being offensive is because it stands for something. If the symbol meant nothing then so would the act of protest.
@cfuse: So you should object to the landfill uses of the flag then? Paper napkins to wipe your face. Wearing it as a snotty face mask. Australia flag underwear.
Anyone who truly lives their flag doesn’t want it used in such a disrespectful casual way.
@cfuse: I think your intellectual capacity is fairly low and you're stuck trying to interpret the world around you and other people's actions through a small set of overhead buzzwords and catchphrases, taking them far too literally.
@CodeExplode: Merely encouraging you to speak achieves the same snub as your ad hominem without having to resort to any mendacity on my part.
If you separate your ego from your opinions it makes disagreement into something other than what you'll interpret as a personal attack. Perhaps consider that moving forwards.
@cfuse: You overestimate how much respect people have left for you after speaking to you, if you think your lecture about how we should talk to you will be compelling in any way.
@CodeExplode: Not once have I told you what you can say to me, think about me, or think of anything else. Stop projecting your own insecurities.
As for respect, the question is always respect from whom? The esteem of the wicked is a badge of shame.
And how much of this rubbish do we think will still be on the shelf after Australia Day at a heavily discounted rate? How much that is manufactured will end up in landfill?
We don’t need more plastic crap whether it is Australian made or overseas made. That is the major point. I don’t need to be kitted out like a bogan to be an Australian.
It’s such an odd media release. I don’t think they will sell anything with Australian flags. I think it will just be stuff people can celebrate the day with. A dedicated section of the store with food and cutlery and outdoor games and things
Which can be seen on the Big W Australia Day page.
Big W will sell outdoor tableware and plush toys that are sold all year round.
All the stuff with the Australian flag on it will be sold through third parties marketplace sellers.
Does anyone really GAF?
wearing my D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F tshirt as i type
Yup, people who make being a "Real Australian" their whole, entire personality and self worth.
Disappointed with OP for not including an IDGAF option.
I don't like or celebrate Australia Day. I don't have a problem with Woolworths or anyone selling Australia Day merch for the people that do.
The real issue is some people were insisting that Woolworths had to sell the merch.
My only reservation about anyone selling this stuff is because a fair whack of it will just become landfill. If people want Australia day merch then create something themselves and reuse it every year.
WCON.
Right on cue.
Have a look at the form (linked wiki under controversies) of the RW bigot Rupert dragged up for this effluent story>
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/aussies-fed-…
about the 'commentator'>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prue_MacSween
I find it really hard to take environmental concerns seriously when you see how much perfectly good furniture, toys, homewares etc are being thrown on the curbside daily. Compared to that, the australia day merch is a drop in the ocean.
A lot of the Australia day merch is single use and then throw away. At least a lot of the rubbish you are seeing was used for some time before being discarded. Personally I look for stuff like furniture in OP shops before buying new. It isn’t an either or it is a total approach.
WCON.
I don't like or celebrate Australia Day.
Free day off though so I'm not complaining
So just another Voice Poll.
90% of the ppl crying woke never buy the shit anyway.
Absolutely. Woollies will end up with a pile of crap on the shelves but the rightwing “warrior” will think they’ve won. I don’t know why they just didn’t buy their crap from somewhere else? It isn’t like Woollies had a monopoly on plastic shit.
So quick recap. They never bought the cheap tacky crap in the first place. Whinged because Woolies took a moral stand that did not align with the whingers "biases". Woolies backflips.Whingers whinging again, cos not happy still.
Half of the ppl complaining have probs never waved an Aussie flag or actively celebrated the day anyway.
I'd like to see the govt take back the public holiday and see how in love with the day ppl really are.
Our flag has been hijacked /devalued by the same macho boys who hijack ANZAC for their political agenda.
Also the poll options load the poll.
If ever there was a 'let it go' issue, this is it.
Completely agree on that one. The poll is very loaded. I don’t intent to boycott Woollies with whatever decision they make. It is just sad the rightwingers threw a hussy fit in the first place. They could’ve just bought their plastic tat elsewhere without making a fuss. However they insist they have the right to dictate to everyone else.
It is funny how the only people concerned about pronouns are the rightwingers as well. The rest of us really don’t give a shit how people identify themselves. It is the same crap that happened with “Ms” and now every form has it as an option. Just make society safe for everyone then separate spaces disappear. Even with sport you can make it on physiological differences rather than a pronoun. Maybe they are worried they will get someone drunk and force themselves on them only to find they aren’t happy with the anatomy involved.
In b4 "
LessAustralian branded Chinese made crap in landfill. Not exactly a bad thing."WRONG, according to the article: