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gccmelb on 18/12/2024 - 06:44 youtube.com (698 clicks)
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With the recent with the alleged shooting death of that Healthcare CEO in the USA by Luigi Mangione, Film maker Michael Moore has decided to release his 2007 Oscar-nominated film SICKO.

Sicko is a 2007 American political documentary film by filmmaker Michael Moore. Investigating health care in the United States, the film focuses on the country's health insurance and the pharmaceutical industry. Moore compares the for-profit non-universal U.S. system with the non-profit universal health care systems of Canada, the United Kingdom, France and Cuba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicko

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386032/

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    • mookill on 18/12/2024 - 10:06
      +1

      That's nuts.

      I sure hope the big pharma dont infiltrate down here in AUS

      • HoochieMamma on 18/12/2024 - 10:50
        +2

        They are already trying to get around the ban on prescription drugs here on TV. You get these ads talking about shingles or some other ailment and they say "Talk to your doctor about shingles". Nothing about what the drug is as that would be illegal here but you can see the GSK logo at the bottom so it's obvious they have a drug that your GP will tell you about. It's 100% disgusting. Thank god for the PBS.

        • Ruckmauler on 18/12/2024 - 11:20

          Agree it's 100% disgusting. The purpose both here and in the US is not primarily to advertise a drug to the masses but as payola via advertising revenue to the media empires to ensure uncritical coverage of the pharma industry.

      • Caped Baldy on 18/12/2024 - 11:12
        +2

        I mean, that's the realistic cost of US citizen getting care in America…. Also, we do have Reciprocal Health Care Agreements with some countries.

        • Sharp324 on 18/12/2024 - 13:08
          -2

          I have never paid that much for healthcare in the US, but sure, lets keep mentioning anecdotal cases and acting like its across the board. Murica bad, etc.

          • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 18/12/2024 - 13:21
            +2

            @Sharp324: So, you're also talking about anecdotes, but the difference seems to be your anecdotes don't have any numbers (or any detail at all) behind them. Look in the mirror, champ.

      • HoochieMamma on 18/12/2024 - 11:47

        No, no were near the level of the USA. That's for sure.

      • murdercluck on 18/12/2024 - 11:48
        +1

        US is far worse even as someone from overseas.

        Comparing my doctors visits while I've been overseas from memory:

        UK: Free
        Sweden: I think around $100
        Italy: I think around $100
        USA: Around $950 AUD or $600USD for a ten minute consult for a basic ear infection.

        • freefall101 on 18/12/2024 - 12:07
          +2

          In Canada I went to emergency, when the doctor heard my accent he upfront told me to really check I had coverage, as it would cost me $500 to talk to him and told me about clinics I could go to that would be way cheaper for foreigners. The opposite to the US, where patients are walking dollar signs to their mostly private hospital system.

          I was covered, because in Canada even non-PR can get coverage if they’ve worked there for more than 3 months.

        • runamuck on 18/12/2024 - 12:39
          +1

          Tips included?

    • murdercluck on 18/12/2024 - 11:52

      Yeah I remember going to the GP in the US for a really obvious ear infection (I just needed antibiotics) and I got charged around $950 AUD for a ten minute consultation.

      I don't understand how a poor American could afford it.

      The doctor was like a dodgy mechanic, and saw me as a cash cow because I had no other option for a doctor and ordered every single test under the sun and I was too sick to object. The tests were completely pointless because I was only staying for one more night, so couldn't even collect the results.

    • TightAl on 18/12/2024 - 09:27
      +7

      That's some extreme mental gymnastics, advocating for the poor who probably don't have the means to carry this out because their POOR.
      More "sympathy" if shooter is poor lol, I don't think the shooter carried this out for 'sympathy'

    • Caped Baldy on 18/12/2024 - 13:58

      The family man had a salary package of over USD$10 million…. The shooter's family is wealthy so it's really rich person vs rich person. Individually, he's hardly hyper elite like you've described.

  • movieman on 18/12/2024 - 10:14

    Thanks OP.

  • Brrrrt on 18/12/2024 - 10:26
    +2

    All the more reason we need to save medicare.

    • Caped Baldy on 18/12/2024 - 11:12
      +5

      1 direct death VS 1000s of indirect deaths….

      • chadleyshe on 18/12/2024 - 14:36
        +1

        regardless, the support when someone is murdered regardless of their place in society just sums up this pathetic forum and it's users.

        • Caped Baldy on 18/12/2024 - 14:59

          Were you upset when Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein was killed?

          • chadleyshe on 18/12/2024 - 15:10

            @Caped Baldy: Yes.

          • try2bhelpful on 18/12/2024 - 15:18
            +1

            @Caped Baldy: Frankly I wasn’t cheering. Not because I in any way believed in their ideology but because neither death contributed to a solution. Iraq is even more mired in a fundamentalist swamp than when Hussein was in power. Osama Bin Laden was a figurehead but the fundamentalists are still oppressing the Afghani population since his death. Unless the underlying issues are dealt with then the deaths are just a ra ra exercise. The other thing to keep in mind is both of these people had the support of the USA at some time. Iraq was given weapons and assistance to fight Iran. The Islamic fundamentalist fighters in Afghanistan were given weapons and assistance to fight the Russians. So exactly who should we be assassinating here?

      • chadleyshe on 18/12/2024 - 14:39

        so in that theory, anyone who openly works for/or contributes to a private health insurer should also be murdered with no recourse of action?

    • franz87 on 18/12/2024 - 11:13
      +13

      He wasn’t murdered, he had a pre-existing sensitivity to bullets which meant that his application to live was unfortunately denied. Rip death merchant :’(

    • BeauKilla on 18/12/2024 - 11:36
      +1

      What are you talking about? I don't see any people supporting the CEO?

  • cannedhams on 18/12/2024 - 11:42

    Profit margins for US healthcare insurers are about 3%. Basically the same they are anywhere.

    The insurers could operate as not for profits and it would make only a marginal difference for most policy holders. Something in the order of several hundred dollars a year.

    Reality is high costs are due to high remuneration (US medical specialists get double the income they would elsewhere) and loads of medical imaging, which is done for legal and liability reasons mostly.

    • BlueJay87 on 18/12/2024 - 11:54
      -8

      Yes the low life expectancy in US is due to other factors in their country (drugs/guns/obesity) which is largely outside the control of the healthcare system. US has some of the highest rates of medical access and utilization. They also have excellent mortality rates and access to medicines for many cancer types.

      The insurance companies provide a valuable resource. The response to this muder is sickening and people really are bettaying their ignorance in celebrating it.

      The fact that some claims are rejected is not a bad thing. No functional healthcare system could or should provide every possible service to consumers. Doctors love to overservice and insurance companies are actually quite helpful in limiting these excesses.

    • murdercluck on 18/12/2024 - 12:15
      +5

      I'd be pretty pissed off if I lived in the USA.

      A family in the USA pays on average $40000 AUD per year for health insurance premiums ($60000 if you include costs that they pay through taxes): https://truthout.org/articles/top-5-us-health-insurers-annua…

      Lets do the figures on profits.

      UnitedHealth profits in 2023 were $USD 22 billion dollars on 29 million customers, or about $1200 AUD per customer.

      So a for family of four, I'd be paying $4800 every year for the rest of my life going directly to the profits of UnitedHealth.

      That seems an insane amount, its hundreds of thousands per customer over their lifetimes going directly to health insurer's profits!

      I can see why Americans are so mad, their system is insane.

    • freefall101 on 18/12/2024 - 12:22
      +2

      United HealthGroup is about 8.5% before tax (the health insurance alone section is about 6%), they're kind of the darling of health insurers in the US in terms of profitability, so I can see why their CEO in particular was targeted. While it would make a marginal difference for policy holders in terms of overall cost, we're talking tens of thousands of people who were likely bankrupted because their care wasn't paid for when it could have been.

      The US healthcare system is broken from top to bottom, from salaries to middlemen to overpriced pharma to incentives to over-provide services, but health insurers aren't an innocent part of that system simply because their margins are low.

    • taki on 18/12/2024 - 12:31

      You cannot cure the individuals if the System is Sicko (or Psycho). re: Gabor Mate, addiction expert.

    • greatlamp on 18/12/2024 - 13:48

      The costs are high because

      1. The hospitals are for profit and charge exorbitant rates

      2. The supplies the hospital uses are priced at the 'free market' rate (e.g. AU $5 saline bag billed at $100 in the US)

      3. Drugs are priced at the 'free market' rate by the pharmaceutical industry (e.g. US$200‐$300 for a vial of insulin that costs AU$35 - this is the cash price not subsidised)

      You end up with a system where a simple antibiotic visit costs $500-$1000 instead of $50.

      Insurance is expensive, it has to be because the costs they are insuring are out of control. To maximise their profits the insurance industry arbitrarily decide that the treating doctor is wrong and refuse to pay for healthcare already delivered. 15-30% chance your claim is denied and you are out of pocket thousands of dollars. Someone is responsible for the company's policy on denying claims.

  • cobaltserge on 18/12/2024 - 11:57

    I am in the same line of work as this guy, I'm dealing with a debilitating chronic health condition which has upturned my life, and I believe strongly in affordable health care for everyone, but I would still never consider killing someone and justifying it on this basis.

    To my mind, he's not a martyr; he obviously has serious mental health issues. What excuse do his supporters have?

    And regardless of whether his beliefs have merit, the question is: do you believe that it's acceptable to kill someone who has directly or indirectly killed others? Many societies, including our own, have moved past the death penalty. For one, it's wildly hypocritical.

    • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 18/12/2024 - 12:44
      +1

      I don't think anyone with a functioning brain would object to Putin getting assassinated, so it's a matter of where you draw the line. In this instance, nobody's saying murdering CEOs in retribution is a healthy thing, but they are saying the CEO (and his wife, granted it's not his kids' fault) brought it upon himself by profiting so handsomely off the misery of others. Luigi isn't a garden variety murderer.

      • cobaltserge on 18/12/2024 - 13:08
        +1

        Fair enough. But I do see a number of people getting behind Luigi or his "cause". Even if most people wouldn't object to an assassination of Putin, that doesn't make it any less morally grey, and we don't need to glorify killing.

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 18/12/2024 - 13:31

          Is it wrong, or indeed morally grey, to terminate a mass murderer?
          I think there are obvious questions as to how a civil society works, and the death penalty really doesn't make a country more civilised, but that is IMO more because of standards of behaviour and all the complications the penalty brings. People are entitled to feel the worst of human beings don't deserve to live, even if taking the matter into their own hands isn't acceptable.

          • chadleyshe on 18/12/2024 - 14:51

            @JohnHowardsEyebrows: law of the land.

            Regardless, should be locked up for life for his crimes.

            The second we as a democracy start endorsing murder based on who the victim was, is one step closer towards a dictatorship.

            • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 18/12/2024 - 15:35

              @chadleyshe: That's a fair analysis, and one of many reasons I don't support the death penalty. But I also don't endorse the limp-wristed way some people talk about mass murderers' lives being of value and it being state sanctioned murder to terminate them.

              Many people feel that way, and you get nowhere appealing to their sense of some non-existent dignity of the offender, rather than the health (pardon the pun) of the society.

      • chadleyshe on 18/12/2024 - 14:45

        So all CEOs of health insurers/banks etc should be murdered?

        The President of the USA endorsed and supported the actions of Israel, which led to the deaths of thousands of innocents, should he be murdered?

        The lockdowns globally during covid led to thousands committing suicide and those governments who were slow to act, resulted in also thousands of deaths due to covid, should they be murdered?

        • try2bhelpful on 18/12/2024 - 15:07
          +1

          Hundreds of thousands to millions of deaths due to Covid.

          Apart from the moral issues the trouble with assassination is you end up with a tit for tat situation where you kill my guy so we will kill yours. Look at the insanity we have with the “chop chop” gangs. There is a saying that “an eye for an eye” just makes us all blind. As much as we might like to step back and let them at it there is usually innocents that get caught in the crossfire.

          If American had a proper judicial system these guys would be prosecuted in the courts; funny how they don’t. There are people cheering on this guy who aren’t interested in fixing the underlying issues.

          One of my favourite sayings is “If you do as you’ve always done then you get what you’ve always gotten”. Assassinating one man will mean nothing. Voting in a party that will do something about it just might.

          • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 18/12/2024 - 15:37

            @try2bhelpful:

            One of my favourite sayings is “If you do as you’ve always done then you get what you’ve always gotten”. Assassinating one man will mean nothing.

            Except it has gotten people talking. Uncomfortable, but true.

            • try2bhelpful on 18/12/2024 - 15:46

              @JohnHowardsEyebrows: Talk is cheap and fleeting. The people talking now will be talking about something else next week. Just dangle another shiny bauble over them. Unless it leads to fundamental changes to the system it is basically pointless. What are the odds the GOP will do anything to fix the health system? That legislation will mean better access to a fairer and cheaper system?

    • chadleyshe on 18/12/2024 - 14:38
      +1

      crazy times we live in when people openly endorse an assassination of a citizen regardless of their status in society.

    • andresampras on 18/12/2024 - 14:56

      I don't claim to know much about this case, but my thoughts based on what little I know are:
      - CEO has wife and kids
      - killing CEO doesn't fix problem
      - does the public REALLY support murdering heads of businesses if IN THEIR ESTIMATION the business isn't operating ethically?
      - alleged murderer: would the public be falling over themselves to justify his actions if he was poor/middle class, or not highly educated, or not western origin?

      Just sad all round.

      • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 18/12/2024 - 15:39
        • CEO has wife and kids

        The kids matter, but the wife is what was known in post-WWII Germany as a 'Mitläufer'. She's also directly benefiting from denying healthcare and she's long been aware.

    • star-ggg on 18/12/2024 - 15:16

      The US still has the death penalty so it's not hypocritical.

  • MrMcHairyHead on 18/12/2024 - 13:31
    +1

    Insane accusation. Luigi was mowing old ladies' lawns with me that whole day. Can't have been him.

    • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 18/12/2024 - 13:33
      +1

      He wasn't fixing people's plumbing around Brooklyn?

  • Ham Dragon on 18/12/2024 - 13:34

    The irony of that lard arse lecturing about the health & pharma industry is quite something. Nice that it's free though.

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