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Well well well
Even though he was pushed out, shout out to Pat Gelsinger for doing what cousins Huang and Su refused to do - provide real competition in the GPU market
US price is $249 USD so $439 AUD including GST is a straight conversion with PCCG including free delivery + no surcharge

Battlemage B580 is an ideal 1080p high/1440p mid card, 10% faster than the 4060 with 4GB extra VRAM, XeSS 2 upscaling and VVC/H.266 decoding
AMD's low end RDNA 3 7000 series cards - lacking matrix/AI cores, proper upscaling/RT, ROCm support etc can now be seen as the e-waste they truly are
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        • scud70 on 14/12/2024 - 10:21
          -1

          A770 is slower…

      • Pedrohustler on 16/12/2024 - 16:49

        I needed a card with AV1 encoding support, and went with the A770 a few weeks ago for $399.

        I also did this, assuming that the B580 wouldn't get close to the A770 because Intel neglected to provide any marketing benchmarks of the B580 vs A770 when promoting the new cards, rather we would have to wait for a B770 for a more competitive product.

        I'm a bit annoyed to see such performance gains in speed, performance and power consumption with these new cards, however so far the A770 is doing everything I need it to, with more VRAM, however I probably would have gone for the B580 in hindsight.

        • Commodore64 on 16/12/2024 - 20:36

          For all you know there will be a period of flaky drivers/firmware for the B580.
          A known quantity also has value.

    • Zenskas on 15/12/2024 - 14:48

      A770 is about 10-15% slower across all resolutions, even at 4K the 16GB isn't often advantageous over 12GB. When it is (4K raytracing in some scenarios) both GPU's are getting such low FPS as to not be useable. It's really aimed at and marketed as a 1080p and 1440p card anyway.

      A770 consumes about 50W more power at load and a bit more at idle. Translates into higher costs to run, more heat dumped into the case and potentially more noise (depending on the cooler) to contend with, alongside requirement for more PCIe power cables.

      It's entirely possible there is additional room for future improvements to performance as drivers mature for the B580, and whilst A770 will continue to mature too it's less likely to see as many good low hanging fruit optimizations that a newer architecture could see.

      For a similar price I think the choice is easy!

      All up I think it's a good card, and I do hope this helps push NVIDIA and AMD to put out more 12GB+ GPU's that perform a little better than they have done previously for the sub AU$500 price. Be interesting now to see the RTX 5060 and RX 8600 etc.

  • Everettpsycho on 14/12/2024 - 08:33
    +2

    Just remember intel gpus love resizable bar. If you have ab older mothervoard and cpu that can't do that you'll probably take a hit in performance from the reviewers benchmarks.

    Be good to see someone do a side by aide in a balanced system using an older cpu that a lot kf people might want to pair these with.

    • Zenskas on 15/12/2024 - 14:52

      Good point and don't forget PCIe 4.0 x8, which is enough bandwidth for this GPU but if in an older board you will likely only have PCIe 3.0 which will halve the PCIe slot bandwidth, effectively making it run with PCIe 2.0 x16 bandwidth.

      It would be good to see some more testing with resize BAR off and in a PCIe 3.0 limited scenario so those with older motherboards can get an idea of performance. I reckon TechPowerUp will do some of that testing soon.

    • ozfool on 15/12/2024 - 14:59

      ReBAR is important, it will run without it but at a significant (~15%) reduction in performance.

      PCIE 4.0 (11th gen intel) is likely to have a small advantage over PCIE 3.0 too

      And the mobo should have ASPM switched on (which is usually off by default, and in rare cases missing from the BIOS) in order to get the idle power from 30+ to <10w.

      Previous tests on the A770:

      https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-arc-a770-pcie-3-res…

      With Resizable-BAR being enabled, PCIe Gen 3 inflicts barely a 0-2% performance penalty when averaged across all games.

  • monchee on 14/12/2024 - 08:42

    Is this going to be good for my Unraid setup? Have a gtx970 but looking to upgrade for AI image gen and prolly AV1 encoding.

    • Commodore64 on 14/12/2024 - 08:47
      +3

      Yes, but wait for the b880 or whatever they are calling their higher gen cards.
      I'm keen to see what 16 or (dare I say it) 24gb memory options we get.

      I know it's a longshot but if there's a 24gb option it'll really start messing up AMD and Nvidia for people just wanting AI workloads without paying top dollar.

      • monchee on 14/12/2024 - 10:31

        Yeah will do. Cheers!

  • TeddyBear on 14/12/2024 - 09:01
    +6

    Upvoting because this price bracket has been sorely neglected for quite a while. XeSS also has frame generation now.

    Although do note that pre-orders for this card were $419.

  • tellhimhesdreaming on 14/12/2024 - 09:08

    So good to see another competitor in the market, second gen Intel cards looking pretty sharp.

  • Oofy Doofy on 14/12/2024 - 09:18

    What a beauty!

  • TeddyBear on 14/12/2024 - 09:25
    +6

    VVC/H.266 decoding

    Not that this is a widely used feature, but the hardware media decoder on Battlemage does not support VVC / H.266.

    • BROKENKEYBOARD on 14/12/2024 - 09:57

      What is software decoding like? These GPUs apparently use ~35W during video playback so it might be more efficient to use software decoding anyway.

      • TeddyBear on 14/12/2024 - 10:28

        I've heard it requires 2x the CPU load of H.265, which is to say most modern CPUs could probably handle a 4K60Hz stream.

        It really is quite impressive what the newest codecs like VVC can deliver at incredibly low bitrates.

        • OzzyBrak on 14/12/2024 - 16:00

          With AV1 does h.266 matter?

    • [Deactivated] on 14/12/2024 - 10:19
      +3

      Thanks, fixed

      Lunar Lake with mobile Battlemage iGPU (Arc 130V / Arc 140V) = hardware VVC decoding

      Battlemage dGPU (Arc B570 / Arc B580) = no hardware VVC decoding

  • Grish on 14/12/2024 - 09:44

    Tossing up between this, a 4060 or just a 6600 for a kids PC build for Xmas, probably going with a B550/5600 base.

    Only concern to me is for a kids PC having to tinker with driver issues, also old game compatability might be an issue ie DX8,9,10 etc..

    Really want to get this as buying a 4060 is the last thing I want to do, but it feels like I don't really have any other option.

    • TeddyBear on 14/12/2024 - 09:50
      +1

      The Intel Arc A750 is $285 at the moment if you don't care about 4GB of extra VRAM.

      Since it's a previous gen card drivers will have matured significantly since launch, although they are far from perfect.

      • Grish on 14/12/2024 - 11:00

        Well the 12GB is the main factor over the 4060 for me, offset by driver/stability issues that might not be ideal for a kid.

        3060 12GB would be decent enough, but costs same as 4060 and uses more power.

        6600 is under $300 and can be tweaked to run very well too. But getting a little long in the tooth so the extra $100 for 4060 is probably worth it.

      • Mr Bob Dobalina on 14/12/2024 - 19:20

        $285 is what the B580 should be. No way is the card worth more than 400.

      • idonotknowwhy on 16/12/2024 - 17:38

        Or if you want additional VRAM, the 16gb A770 is $399

        https://www.centrecom.com.au/asrock-arc-a770-challenger-16g-…

    • johnno07 on 14/12/2024 - 11:14
      +2

      Really want to get this as buying a 4060 is the last thing I want to do, but it feels like I don't really have any other option.

      I think you just answered you own question. I would 1000% be getting the B850 over the 4060 if I was aiming for this performance range. Partly because it's a better card (and I think compatibility is pretty much fine) and partly because (profanity) Nvidia.

  • Bid Sniper on 14/12/2024 - 09:55
    +2

    Great price considering its surpasses a 4060 in many games.

    I bought A750 while back for 1440p gaming. Was a rocky start but constant updates made it into a great card actually.

    B series looks great. I'm hoping there will be a 4080 equivalent in the pipline.

    • scud70 on 14/12/2024 - 10:29

      We'll see… Intels out of money and these cards will be losing them money, they need gpu's to compete moving forward but it just may end up being rolled into their APUs and discreet will disappear.

      I hope that doesn't happen because in two generations they are already competing in the low end, that in itself is an amazing outcome.

  • wizko on 14/12/2024 - 10:14
    +2

    Damn literally 253USD when you subtract GST and convert to US dollars.

    This is genuinely the first time I have seen a brand new graphics card that isn't batshit overpriced compared to America.

    • Mr Bob Dobalina on 14/12/2024 - 19:27
      -1

      Meh. I bought a GTX660 back in 2012 for around $230. The US price at the time was exactly the same, $230 USD.

  • vince088 on 14/12/2024 - 10:14
    +13

    I cannot imagine telling myself 10 years ago we will be getting a AMD CPU with a Intel GPU. xD

    • PainToad on 14/12/2024 - 10:41
      +1

      I cannot imagine telling myself 10 years ago we will be getting Apple ARM CPU and GPU.

      • idonotknowwhy on 15/12/2024 - 23:12

        Same here but buying an iPhone + Mac lol

  • FireRunner on 14/12/2024 - 10:23
    +5

    I like that Intel is bringing some real fight to the competition but this is just RRP

  • freefall101 on 14/12/2024 - 10:32
    +3

    While it’s a good retail price, it’s worth remembering this drops 6 days before Boxing Day. Probably worth holding unless it’s for a Christmas gift.

    The 4060 went as low as $329 during Black Friday, which is better bang for buck.

    • Bang1 on 14/12/2024 - 14:23

      Yup this is what I think as well. Compared to normal usual price vs the competition this is a good price but I wouldnt say it is a bargain. (not to the level of votes received) but a worthy mention regardless.

      When the price drops sub $400 then I would say its probably the best bang for buck card for budget gamers(at 1080p, raster performance a little too weak (12gb vram is not going to magically increase performance in all games) to get highish settings at 1440p for future games though)

  • motion2082 on 14/12/2024 - 10:35
    +2

    Intel for the Win in the GPU market.

    Hopefully they can make a card that competes with the 4080 for half the cost.

    Big middle finger to Nvidia

  • MHLoppy on 14/12/2024 - 10:44
    +14

    Battlemage B580 is an ideal 1080p high/1440p mid card, 10% faster than the 4060 with 4GB extra VRAM, XeSS 2 upscaling and VVC/H.266 decoding
    AMD's low end RDNA 3 7000 series cards - lacking matrix/AI cores, proper upscaling/RT, ROCm support etc can now be seen as the e-waste they truly are

    Battlemage is exciting! It's FANTASTIC that in a relatively short time frame, Intel seems to have become competitive in the consumer GPU space. I was also personally impressed by the significant improvements to the LE cooler assembly.

    But can we please not do this emotional tribal bullshit? Buy the product(s) that suit(s) your needs at your price point. This isn't a fanboy competition, and we're not here to be hypeclubs for corporations.

    10% faster than the 4060

    But since this is just the MSRP and not a sale price, it's also 33% more expensive than the last 4060 deal ($329 delivered with ebay plus), which still got less votes than this deal currently does. It feels like there's WAY too much hype going on here.

    4GB extra VRAM

    Yes, it's pretty nice, but for most people it's just a matter of how it affects performance, and what the price of the final product is. See again: 4060 going for sub-$400 multiple times

    XeSS 2 upscaling

    Yes, XeSS upscaling is quite good. How good the new stuff in XeSS 2 is (e.g., frame generation) remains to be seen. This isn't a religion. We can wait for the evidence in reviews before deciding if it's good or not.

    VVC/H.266 decoding

    It doesn't support this (while writing this comment the OP was updated)

    AMD's low end RDNA 3 7000 series cards - lacking matrix/AI cores, proper upscaling/RT, ROCm support etc can now be seen as the e-waste they truly are

    This is some real MuserBenchark stuff.

    • There aren't that many consumer uses for the AI hardware unless you're actually into doing AI stuff on your local machine.
    • Most games that implement raytracing don't look better with it enabled. The ones that do tend to murder your performance (written version of the second video), and few of those will run acceptably smoothly on a card like this.
    • AMD having less-than-CUDA GPU compute support doesn't magically make Intel's as good as CUDA's. Like seriously, this is a con of an Intel card not a pro? Yes, they're working on it. Last I checked (and, in fairness, this is not "my scene") it's not there yet.

    Second-gen Intel GPUs? Exciting! Competition! Looking forward to the B7xx cards! Looking forward even more to the Cxxx cards!

    Should you buy a B580 at this price: if you weren't willing to buy a 4060 for $329, probably not.

    • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 11:08
      +2

      "It feels like there's WAY too much hype going on here." Literally this.

      I am not super hyped, it's a good step in the right direction for Intel but only because they HAD to. If they didn't do this, their GPU division would be completely joever. They can do better though, especially with pricing - that is my main point.

      • idonotknowwhy on 15/12/2024 - 23:14

        The motivation doesn't matter thought does it? Competition means we get better prices.

        AMD raised the prices for thread ripper as soon as they were ahead of Intel. They're all just doing what they can to maximize profits.

    • ozfool on 14/12/2024 - 12:10
      -2

      A 4060 for $400 (common deal price, current low is $420) is about even value with a b580 for $439 just going by performance and not other hype features.

      The $330 deal had near zero stock and was an anomolously good deal that almost seemed like a pricing error, I was refeshing it constantly for 2 days and couldn't get one. The true black friday price for available stock was $380.

      I want to buy a B580 but this is just a hype post and not a deal, might be worth a neg.

      • MHLoppy on 14/12/2024 - 22:10
        +1

        The $330 deal had near zero stock and was an anomolously good deal that almost seemed like a pricing error, I was refeshing it constantly for 2 days and couldn't get one. The true black friday price for available stock was $380.

        Fair enough, but on vote count alone this B580 deal is then still getting "unreasonably" hyped up.

        Intel's Battlemage promise, if you want to call it that, is being cheaper at an equivalent performance level. Their features are a bit worse than Nvidia's (whether equivalent or better than AMD's I'm not sure), but their driver support remains a question mark. For big, recent titles they seem to do well, but if you play an older game you're way more likely to have trouble, and if they shut their GPU division down in a couple of years, then good luck playing future releases optimally.

        If we take the more conservative $399 4060 price, and say it's an average 10% performance difference between that and a B580, the pricing is par (same price:performance ratio), which is not delivering on their promise and imo not worth buying. If you play at 1080p (or use upscaling at a higher resolution - which you probably will want to!!) then you're not even getting that 10% better performance, making the B580 worse price:performance at those prices.

        • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 22:35
          +1

          To me it feels like the Rotten Tomatoes effect - 6/10 is still a positive rating so mediocre movies can get 100% score rating. Imo the B580 is a solid 8/10 card when it's performing at its best, has solid features and solid (but realistically, outdated) performance at a decent price (compared with last competitors and Intel). But it's not a bargain 10/10 must buy game changing GPU that some people in this thread are making it seem.

          Because the 4060 and 7600 were such bad value on launch people have massively lowered their standards now. I think we are both advocating that we should keep our standards up no matter who releases the card. As much as I'd love to have a third player in the GPU market, we cannot cut any profit driven corporation any slack. Intel NEEDS to do more if they want to stay relevant in the dGPU market.

          We went from 18 upvotes and 1 downvote to whatever is happening here at the same (within 5%) price to performance ratio from Intel: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/882386. Hell the A770 even has +4GB VRAM over this. It's genuinely ridiculous.

          • ozfool on 15/12/2024 - 14:27
            +1

            @JTayzer: The A770 for $399 is definitely an interesting discount from its RRP, and I considered it myself, but we already knew that the B580 was going to be >10% better than the A770 for <10% price increase. No sh*t that the B580 is getting more interest, it's also newer and everything that comes with being a newer architecture.

            I agree that this is a sketchy "bargain" post because it's just the new RRP, but the card is genuinely competitive on price even when comparing RRP to discounted old cards, sounds like you two have a grudge.

            • JTayzer on 15/12/2024 - 20:56

              @ozfool: I'm trying to have a measured take. The risk with buying Intel dGPUs still remains, that if they shutter the GPU division then future driver support is up in the air. With that in mind, they need to discount their offerings just a bit more to really be attractive compared to the well established competitors who can at least guarantee their cards will have dedicated drivers for 6-10 years. You can't get that promise from Intel yet. So even if the performance (vs 1-2 gens ago) and features match the competition, if this push doesn't allow them to break into market share then you might end up with a card that ages like milk (no or little driver updates).

          • Zenskas on 15/12/2024 - 15:04
            +1

            @JTayzer: I don't think that A770 deal reception is that ridiculous, granted the B580 is getting a little much hype for what is essentially "reasonable" value, but it's more like people weren't interested in a last generation product deal when B580 was going to be newer, much more efficient and potentially provide overall just as good value as that deal in a latest generation brand new to the market product (which it has, performing 10-15% better whilst costing 10% more than that deal). Seemed reasonable to wait a couple weeks and see, which was a fair decision by most who waited.

            Agreed with much of what you are saying though, and absolutely people's standards for what is value have been eroded with the 4060/7600 8GB cards.

  • Grish on 14/12/2024 - 11:11

    The 10% faster than 4060 is often only due to 4060 crapping itself out from maxed vram usage.

    4060 currently benefits more with relative upscaling gains (DLSS) than the Intel equiv.

    Power consumption is also considerably higher than a 4060 (~100w vs ~190-220+) which is also a fair consideration, often glossed over by reviewers.

    Then of course there's drivers and old game compatability where it will lose out to amd/nvidia by a lot.

    I think it needs to be just under $400au and it will be more of tinkerers card than a mainstream one, but still very happy that Intel are moving in the right direction to rock the GPU boat.

  • dammit on 14/12/2024 - 11:15

    Thinking of building my son his first gaming PC but total ideal budget will be like $1k, mainly for things like Fortnite, minecraft etc where he wants super high fps. Should I go for something like this or pick up a second hand GPU?

    Just not sure on ratio of GPU spend vs other components and if this would be a better choice.

    • jonomatic on 14/12/2024 - 14:49

      I suggest also figuring out targeting a specific resolution and graphics settings he would be happy with. For 1k though (especially if you need a monitor and peripherals) then pick a really good gaming CPU and a low end GPU. Lower resolution and graphics settings = CPU being the bottleneck to FPS.

    • ozfool on 14/12/2024 - 15:09

      There's not many options for GPUs under this price. It's either this, or a 4060 for the same price, or an rx6600 for $300.

      I think you can fit this GPU in a budget AM4 motherboard and be very happy for under $1000.

    • freefall101 on 14/12/2024 - 15:35
      +1

      Neither of those games are particularly GPU bound, but you want a decent CPU. It's also hard to build a PC around either of them, because of the continuous development of both and mods in Minecraft. Once you start installing mods, keeping a high FPS becomes near impossible.

      Depends what you mean by super high fps as well, what monitor are you buying? If a high fps monitor is part of the $1k budget it might be hard to pull off.

      Also probably better looking at pre-built rather than building yourself these days. Retailers get great prices by agreeing to buy parts in bundles (i.e. buy a huge batch of motherboards, get the PSUs at a low price kind of thing. Plus better prices on old stock) and by buying in volume, so you get less choice but better prices. There was a 4060 ti system for $1.1k at one point, won't be able to build anything better for that price - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/871629

  • hippyhippy on 14/12/2024 - 11:26
    -1

    Remember when 400 was the top tier price bracket …

    • jonomatic on 14/12/2024 - 14:50

      When was that? iirc my GTX670 was 600 bucks and it was possible to spend more.

    • Bammers on 15/12/2024 - 08:37
      +1

      I think my either my voodoo 1 or voodoo 2 was about that price back in the day :P

      • hippyhippy on 15/12/2024 - 10:47

        It was outrageous at the time lol…

        • Nom on 15/12/2024 - 11:28

          $400 in 1998 was worth about the same as $800 today…

  • kml22 on 14/12/2024 - 11:46
    +1

    Lots of up votes, but how many actual buyer?

    • Bid Sniper on 14/12/2024 - 13:01

      I have last gen and love it for 1440p gaming.

      • kml22 on 14/12/2024 - 16:26

        Well, based on the comments above and below, the upvotes are there, but not many people are willing to buy it, which is sad. We need more competition to push down the price, and for me, I can't justify upgrading or buying this card from my current RX 6700 XT.

        • Bid Sniper on 14/12/2024 - 19:18

          You and me both. Hoping they release a higher end cards.

          But for mid teir anyone looking for a 4060 should consider these.

    • Freestyle on 15/12/2024 - 00:13

      you think Ozbargain consists of the whole of Australian buyers?

    • idonotknowwhy on 16/12/2024 - 17:35

      I'm tempted but I want to know if I can run it along side my A770 with Ubuntu, or if the different drivers will conflict.

  • Xizor on 14/12/2024 - 11:54

    Still rocking a standard RTX 2060. God, do i need an upgrade. Probably need to replace the entire PC though.

    • Duplicity on 14/12/2024 - 12:03

      I've got a 2070 super with an 8700k and I was looking at a 4080super which would supposedly be 40%+ bottlenecked by the 8700k lol

      As you said basically a whole rebuild needed

      • Xizor on 14/12/2024 - 12:10

        I cant even remember what my CPU is. Maybe Rizen 5 1600 or something similar.

      • Ryxxi on 15/12/2024 - 01:01

        Just get a 1440p monitor and turn on Nvidia DLDSR.

  • beesa888 on 14/12/2024 - 13:51

    I've been looking at upgrading my 1660 Super.

    But given the price, would it be worth just getting an old RTX 3070 for around similar money or less? Around say $350?

    • Ryxxi on 15/12/2024 - 01:00

      No. 3070 is 5 years old has no frame generation.

  • heef on 14/12/2024 - 15:08

    It's unfortunate that I still can't get a real upgrade to my $400 6700XT (USED) I bought ~2 yrs ago, for the same money :/

    This does seem great for a new card, though!

  • alz on 14/12/2024 - 15:20

    I might flog rx 6600xt on sale somewhere and get this instead.

  • justaname on 14/12/2024 - 15:39

    If only I didnt need an NVIDIA GPU for cuda & dl/ml workloads I'd be all over this, something that stinks about NVIDIA is their low end GPUs suck

  • Mr Bob Dobalina on 14/12/2024 - 19:15

    Wait for 5060 it'll destroy this card.

    • iDarelones on 14/12/2024 - 22:01
      +1

      at twice the price

      • Mr Bob Dobalina on 14/12/2024 - 22:11
        -1

        Twice the price how? 4060s can often be had for $399, 5060 will be similar price.

        • Ryxxi on 15/12/2024 - 00:59
          +2

          lol. No it wont. Check 4060's launch price. and add $100 to that. Probably more. You are completely out of touch.

          • Mr Bob Dobalina on 15/12/2024 - 05:53
            -2

            @Ryxxi: So I'm "out of touch" for not being able to predict the future? Right. Just wait and see. No point rushing into buying a GPU of any kind at this point in time.

            As for your comment "Check 4060's launch price." - have you ever heard of the phrase "past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance" - what Nvidia has done in the past cannot reliably be used to predict their future plans.

            • ozfool on 15/12/2024 - 09:31
              +2

              @Mr Bob Dobalina: There's been a lot of inflation of the last few years. So yeah a first guess would be to take the 4060's RRP and add 20% if it's simply a modern update with the same market position. I doubt it will be any less, but we're all just guessing…

              In any case if you want a graphics card this month, the B580 is a good choice and has a good chance of not getting tumbled by 2025's eventual competition.

              • Everettpsycho on 15/12/2024 - 18:25
                +1

                @ozfool: It will be interesting to see, nvidia pricing drove up post pandemic and now they know the market will pay it it wasn't coming back down unless someone challenged them on price to performance. This is why intel arc is important, not becaise its the best, but its priced aggressively and ifbits successful might get AMD and nvidia to react with their pricing to sustain market share.

                Pretty much the last 4 years every gpu review has been its fine but costs too much and how nvidia and amd are shafting consumers. Thebpresses reaction to thisbsuggestsbit may be good enough to change the landscape for us.

            • magic8ballgag on 16/12/2024 - 08:39

              @Mr Bob Dobalina:

              So I'm "out of touch" for not being able to predict the future?

              No, you're out of touch because you're trying (and failing) to predict the future.

  • [Deactivated] on 14/12/2024 - 20:07
    +2

    Just here to say I've ran an A750 for close to 2 years and have never had a single driver issue, and spend half my time on linux. Not saying they don't exist, but they're certainly well overblown.

    10/10 will upgrade

    • idonotknowwhy on 15/12/2024 - 23:17

      The drivers are fine, but we don't get cuda :(

  • Bunnyburger on 14/12/2024 - 23:14
    +3

    Intel Nana's smilin' from heaven!

    • Mr Bob Dobalina on 15/12/2024 - 03:31

      ?

      • Minimalism on 15/12/2024 - 20:55

        Intel as a company 'bout raped into the graveyard more than 6 feet. :(

        AMD dominates (Nvidia is a bigger company cos AI chips) but otherwise the whole non-ai market from gaming consoles to pc's to laptops to handhold is all AMD's territory barring ARM's mobile market share. Talking GPU, CPU, APU and mobo chipsets.

        In a couple of years, barring again AI, game drivers will be optimized for the first time for AMD over Nvidia. Though, it is possible Nvidia will dump money into bribing and controlling the industry despite not having the same level of tech as AMD. Again, because they are way bigger then AMD but not for there founding roots, but because of AI.

        I realise your talking about Intel but thats how far out of the picture they are. AMD diversified a long time ago into CPU and GPU and sucked compared to Intel (CPU) and Nvidia (GPU), but intel crashed and burned for a few cpu generations in a row, then AMD cpu's got better then Intel's cpu's, and during the same time AMD GPU's got stronger than Nvidia GPU's (except for AI chiplets), AMD took over the entire console market. So now game and heavy software are begining for the first time ever, to be heavily optimized for AMD tech.

        Ironically I'm on my first Intel Nvidia build ever, use to be always AMD. Go (profanity)' figure

  • Ryxxi on 15/12/2024 - 00:57
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    In 2 Months Nvidia's new GPU's will be out and probably cheaper prices on 40series.. But who knows.

    • jlogic on 15/12/2024 - 13:22

      I doubt the prices will move much on the 40 series. nVIDIA has been running down inventory since the beginning part of the year. 4090 and 4080s are already EOL and I believe only the AD107 chip is still in production which is the 4050/4060 chip.

      Unless a retailer has a sale, I doubt prices will move a great deal, especially if the 60 series Blackwell are still a bit aways from launch.

  • Aerith-Waifu on 15/12/2024 - 02:38

    How many levels up is this compared to the Galax 1660 Super?

    • crzie on 15/12/2024 - 09:28

      I think this is roughly 2 generations newer compared to a 1660s, in CS, fps is ~100+ on the 1660s and ~170 on the b580 @ 1080p

  • Lange on 15/12/2024 - 17:32

    Have GTX970 with i5 8600k. Will changing GPU to this cause my CPU to bottleneck for 1440p gaming?

  • Minimalism on 15/12/2024 - 20:49
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    Except for a slighter new vulkan extension, and slightly faster gddr ram, at a cost of huge driver optimization and cost, why would you ever buy this over the 3060 12gb?

    It came out 4 years ago and is (because of optimzation and compatibility) with similar specs to the arc, could easily be considered supreriour

  • billybob2015 on 16/12/2024 - 08:08

    anybody know if this comes with assassins creed shadows?

  • merajaan on 16/12/2024 - 12:52

    If history is any indication, better of waiting a couple of months for this to drop by $100 bucks or so as other Intel Arc cards did just after launch

    • czau on 16/12/2024 - 16:05

      Wishful thinking, intel card will be mostly out of stock until AMD or Nvidia goes down on price with current gen. 1440p cards.

  • amaslam on 17/12/2024 - 09:48

    I would wait. Intel continues to have driver issues, if they can resolve that in the next 6 months then this card has a decent chance of being a budget option.

    While the Driver issues aren't as bad as the last gen the fact it's still happening years later means they still haven't invested enough on testing. At least software errors can be fixed.

    With AMD and Nvidia at least I know their drivers have regular releases and not as many bugs.

  • vince088 on 05/01/2025 - 18:58

    Btw, Hardware Canucks and Hardware Unboxed just made videos about this card - it works really bad with older CPU's and you must have resizable Bar on or else you will get very bad fps

    a RTX 4060 is still the recommended card as it does not suffer this issue

    • Nom on 06/01/2025 - 17:28

      They seem like strange issues to call out.

      So for most people who are using modern CPUs with resizable Bar, then it's got no problems ?

      • vince088 on 06/01/2025 - 18:47

        Depends what you call modern, the early ryzen cpus like 2000, 3000 and 5000 series all suffer this issue with intel gpu

      • ozfool on 06/01/2025 - 20:30

        This new issue isn't about ReBAR. It means any CPU (including modern ones) is getting bottlenecked much earlier on B580 than rival cards. People using budget CPUs like a 5500 or any i3 are now in the questionable area. It might still be a "fine" graphics for people with decent CPUs, but a lot of budget gamers will be getting a raw deal, and it's pretty a big caveat when recommending it to people. And if AAA games keep getting poorly optimised and CPU-heavy, the B580 won't futureproof very well.

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