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Well well well
Even though he was pushed out, shout out to Pat Gelsinger for doing what cousins Huang and Su refused to do - provide real competition in the GPU market
US price is $249 USD so $439 AUD including GST is a straight conversion with PCCG including free delivery + no surcharge

Battlemage B580 is an ideal 1080p high/1440p mid card, 10% faster than the 4060 with 4GB extra VRAM, XeSS 2 upscaling and VVC/H.266 decoding
AMD's low end RDNA 3 7000 series cards - lacking matrix/AI cores, proper upscaling/RT, ROCm support etc can now be seen as the e-waste they truly are
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    • klaw81 on 14/12/2024 - 07:48
      +11

      The testing I've seen shows it somewhere between the 4060 and 4060 Ti in performance….although that was a single source and I haven't looked further.

      • grayadamson on 14/12/2024 - 08:01

        Gamers Nexus?

        Those guys are awesome.

      • scud70 on 14/12/2024 - 08:30
        +8

        I've watched about 5+ reviews… Aside from the all over the place LTT one (which hyped this card up way over what it is) , HUB, GN, J2C and David Owen have it in that ball park depending on the game. All had some driver issues during review which Intel fixed straight away (except Indiana Jones for David Owen). Digital foundry also reviewed it but I'm not super sure of their review methodology as it's based on automated benchmarks seemed pretty fair and they also had similar results.

      • Arsenal on 14/12/2024 - 12:20

        Which is where the 3060 Ti also performs? I'm not sure why JTayzer got downvoted for this.

      • NVidia Sucks on 14/12/2024 - 12:41

        If its performance is only between a 4060 and a 4060 Ti, why should we buy this graphics card? Based on past experience, Intel GPUs are only strong in benchmarks, but many games have optimization issues. Right now, the 4060 is just around $400, so would we be out of our minds to spend $439 on this?

    • BROKENKEYBOARD on 14/12/2024 - 08:23
      +4

      yes you get 4GB VRAM but you're still bandwidth limited

      Out of all the competing cards this has by far the highest bandwidth, why do you need so much? The real issue is this card was released before AMD and Nvidia releases their competing cards, they're very likely going to have better options in a month or two if you can wait.

      • reactor-au on 14/12/2024 - 08:38
        +5

        Except the rumors are that 5060 still going to have 8gb

      • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 10:05
        -2

        The 3060 ti had nigh identical bandwidth. I'm just saying if you listen to the reviewers they all say Intel is late to the party and that ideally the card should have been 10% less in price. We shouldn't lower our standards just because of what NVIDIA and AMD did last gen. The card is good in this market, but why can't we expect better (i.e. improvement in raster after 4 years or lower price for the same raster).

        • Ulysses31 on 14/12/2024 - 11:01
          +5

          Personally, I'll entertain anyone who helps break things up. Competition is key to everything

      • ThoseDeafMutes on 14/12/2024 - 10:34
        +1

        Nvidia definitely won't be launching a 60 series in the next 1-2 months. Recently it has been as long as 9-12 months between the top end 90 series and the mid range offerings. Some rumours suggest this gen is going to accelerate that (probably to try to get ahead of tarrifs) but the most aggressive rumour I've seen claimed it would be the 60 series in March. And that's just a rumour.

      • Pacify on 14/12/2024 - 12:39

        Nvidia is going to be releasing the 5090 in a few months, not the 5060. Going to be a long time before anything comes that could possibly compete with this at the sub $500 price point

    • barge-in hunter on 14/12/2024 - 08:40
      +13

      I see where you’re coming from - it’s frustrating having an older card that’s just not worth upgrading, 4 years later.

      I’d like to upgrade my rtx2070 super but even a 4060 is only a 5-10% increase

      Both amd and nvidia are taking us for a ride, and intel seems to be the only one putting real pressure on price to performance

    • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 09:19
      +6

      3060 ti is directly between those two cards (4060 and 4060 ti). Interesting that I'm getting significantly downvoted for stating the actual fact that the card has the same performance as the 3060 ti. Yes it's newer and will see more support over it's lifespan, but you can get 3060 it's for well under 400. 249 USD converts to 390 AUD so there's some level of import inflation above the usual GST. Didn't say the card is bad by any means. The fact however remains that this isn't Intel's first or second attempt at DGPUs so it's a "good start" is by no means true. The start of Alchemist was miserable due to poor drivers, so really Battlemage is Intel learning the lesson. The hope is they can compete in the high end eventually. The issue is they're competing with NVIDIA and AMD's entry-midrange offerings from FOUR years ago. This is what Alchemist SHOULD have been. Idk why I'm getting jumped.

      • Aureus on 14/12/2024 - 10:30
        +1

        3060 it's for well under 400

        Maybe down to like $320 second hand on ebay if you are lucky. Obviously no warranty or support for the new stuff that Intel has.

        Intel have released the best price-to-performance card on the market. Mostly because Nvidia and AMD are ripping people off. If Intel left the market, people would probably end up paying $1000 for an entry level GPU in a few years.

        • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 11:28
          -2

          Intel HAS to compete (or their GPU R&D would be for naught). We shouldn't hype it up because they are doing what they need to do to break into the market and survive.

          • Aureus on 14/12/2024 - 11:35

            @JTayzer: I don't think people are hyping it up for the love of Intel, people are hyping it up because it is value in a drought of value.

            • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 11:38

              @Aureus: It is a return of the value we once treasured and people are getting nostalgic. Intel is still a corporation and this is the move they needed to make to join the market without completely killing off their GPU division. Props to them for being able to catch-up - albeit closer to previous gen offerings. Once AMD+NVIDIA next gen releases, it's a bit in the air about the future of Intel dGPUs. I'm hoping this will incentivise AMD and NVIDIA to lower their prices, but I have no clue how they'll react.

          • Zilch on 14/12/2024 - 11:50

            @JTayzer:

            We shouldn't hype it up because they are doing what they need to do to break into the market and survive.

            People are hyping it up because it's the first competitive budget GPU we've seen in almost a decade.

            Competition significantly benefits all consumers, so it ony makes sense to encourage disruption of a duopoly.

          • DingoBilly on 14/12/2024 - 11:58

            @JTayzer: Intel doesn't have to do anything. Just because you spend money and time on something doesn't mean you need it to work. Also, they're not even a GPU maker - it's not their core product at all.

            They could do a Google and kill it. Or just do basic work and realize it's not an affordable market for them to enter. You'll waste a lot more money trying to develop and release an unsuccessful product than doing initial work and killing it before it hits market.

            So yes, Intel deserves some praise for taking the risk and trying to enter the market.

            • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 12:10

              @DingoBilly: The company is in dire straits, it's not really comparable to Google given the financial situation of both companies. Intel has seen year on year losses (no profits whatsoever) so they absolutely need every single division to succeed to recoup as much money they've spent on R&D as they can.

              If they really did nothing after investing that much as you said they may as well declare bankruptcy and call it quits. AMD has outcompeted Intel in the CPU market (desktop + data center, mixed bag with mobile) so that simply cannot save them. They chose to enter the GPU market because they want a piece of the pie, it was a calculated risk that they decided. They are not doing it for the benefit of anyone except Intel. Yes they could have pulled out, but if you've seen their net income that was genuinely not an option. Why spend that much on the GPU division to then shutter it completely making not a dime off it.

      • Alzori on 14/12/2024 - 10:34
        +1

        249 USD converts to 390 AUD so there's some level of import inflation above the usual GST

        Huh? 390 + 10% GST = $429, this card is $439, that's barely any import inflation, only like 2% of the card price. People probably paying that much in credit card fees often enough on this item, really doesn't seem worth complaining about.

        • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 11:01

          Bad math on my part, my main point is, as reviewers have said (Steve from HWUB etc) - if the card launched at ~220USD it would be a gamechanger for Intel. But right now it's moreso Intel has caught up and are actually competing (instead of flopping). They NEEDED to do this or they simply wouldn't survive in the GPU market. If they launched another Alchemist then it would have been the final nail in the coffin.

      • Look Up on 14/12/2024 - 10:48

        Haven't negged you

        It's almost 2025 - brand new 8GB dGPU's are the equivalent of 8GB MacBooks, 8GB PC laptops and 4GB Android devices - unless they are sub $300, they are e-waste

        Current gen consoles already have 14GB VRAM so 12GB on PC is already borderline

        1GB of GDDR6 costs $12 AUD - if Jacket Man took $50 off his margins to offer a $500 4060 12GB, it would be passable

        Instead, he offers the fake "4070 Super 12GB" - an actual 4060 Ti 12GB in disguise - for $700+

        AMD tried to follow suit but low and mid-range RDNA 3 flopped and pricing was NVIDIA-lite

        AMD are now the ones most concerned since RDNA 4 8800 XT now needs to over deliver on raster, RT, AI, FSR 4 upscaling and price to match up with the B770

        • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 10:59

          I agree that 8GB dGPUs should only be absolute entry level products, and I'm happy there's 12GB in the B580.

          I'm saying Intel is bringing back what we used to have 2 generations ago - e.g. the uplift from 5700 XT to 6700 XT (35%) roughly ballpark to the 41% from A580 to B580. It's not a Pascal level increase (70+% from the 960 to the 1060). Last generation has destroyed our expectations, but we need to keep the pressure up whether it's NVIDIA, AMD, or Intel. If this incentivises AMD and NVIDIA to do better, then I completely agree that it's a good thing. We need to make sure Intel doesn't drop the ball though. Gamer's Nexus review selling point was basically "this isn't Alchemist" and "it seriously competes with the 4060 and 7600". HWUB would rather the card launch for ~220USD. Which is way more measured than some people are hyping it up to be.

          AMD suffered with MCM and have gone back to monolithic next gen, so we'll have to see how that pans out for them. I don't really follow GPU rumoured performance so 8800XT vs B770 is completely up in the air in my opinion.

          • Look Up on 14/12/2024 - 11:13

            @JTayzer: All 3 are currently fabbing GPU's at TSMC which is where the real monopoly is

            Maybe gamers should ask Taiwan to make gaming cheap again?

            TSMC are profiteering now to over invest into R&D before those new Intel fabs come online

            So Intel can help with market pricing - but only up to a certain point

            • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 11:24

              @Look Up: Good point on the node being TSMC manufactured, that would certainly limit the pricing.

              I'd say the primary issue is the fact that AMD and NVIDIA are now completely free from needing revenue from the gaming market - they're absolutely swimming in data center profits (AMD CPU + some GPU, NVIDIA ARM CPU + GPU). If Intel could make a competitive data center GPU and outsell AMD and NVIDIA they would - see Intel data center CPU dominance for decades (slowly shifting to AMD EPYC as they failed to compete effectively). They're not exactly creating GPUs for the benefit of gamers, but to break into what has been an untapped market for Intel for so many years. I want them to keep up the pressure.

              In terms of catching up in fabs, I don't think there's any way forward in that path unfortunately. Unless TSMC wants to share their knowledge of building and optimising fabs, there's just no reasonable way for competing fabs to catch up. But the fact that Intel chose to buy from them means they have no qualms with supporting the monopoly if it means their GPUs can compete. Gelsinger made a huge mistake in losing the wafer discount they had with TSMC (funnily enough saying they shouldn't put all their eggs in the Taiwan basket-fab), so I wonder what they can do now to compete effectively.

      • Yumi on 14/12/2024 - 11:28

        Where are you getting 3060Ti for under $400? I can only find it second hand in that price range.

        • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 11:35

          Yes I was referring to the second hand market - it's a 4 year old card at this point as I said. In terms of new, see recent 4060 deals for well under $400 and historic 6700 XT's for 440 (though the supply of those has dried out).

          I wouldn't buy a 3060 TI new in 2024, that's the reality. Now if I had exactly $439, would I buy the B580? I'd look at the games I play because the drivers are still immature - hell the game to game variance is very high. E.g. in Baldur's Gate 3 1440p, the B580 underperforms the 3060 TI, 7600, A770 (Alchemist beating Battlemage lol) - and wins over the 4060 by a hair (0.3FPS, with 10FPS less 1% and 0.1% lows). See Gamer's Nexus and other reviews for detailed numbers.

          If I had $439 a few months ago I would have bought the 6700 XT, which this is on par with. The B580 does have better upscaling and ray tracing, but again that's really a per game basis and how much you value upscaling/RT. Intel has matched AMD + NVIDIA* in raster from 2 gens ago.

          Tldr; the wheel hasn't been reinvented. Second hand market is always an option, but of course it comes with risks.

      • Pacify on 14/12/2024 - 12:40

        They don't need to compete in the high end market.

        The budget market is completely borked at the moment, both nvidia and amd have abandoned that sector so it makes sense for intel to try and take it

  • vid_ghost on 14/12/2024 - 07:42
    +4

    HUB gives it the green light :)

    • Riczter on 14/12/2024 - 08:12
      +16

      HUB gave it the green light because it was cheaper & faster than the 4060.
      At $439 its basically the same price as the 4060, which makes it a harder sell.

      At this price, I'd still buy the 4060 for $449, so i don't need to worry about potential driver issues (though intel has done really well and come a long way with this) and the superior RT/DLSS framegen tech on the 4060, even though it has lower base average performance and only 8GB VRAM.

      Its great that Intel has provided some real competition at the low end, but it needs to be $399 or less imo.

      • aussieprepper on 14/12/2024 - 08:30

        It comes down to who do you hate the least Intel or Nvidia lol. As much as Nvidia pricing sucks, they do push the performance standards higher on every generation.

      • vid_ghost on 14/12/2024 - 08:48
        +10

        They pointed to 12GB's of Vram as a selling point… 8GB's is not good enough

        • DuckWearingTopHat on 14/12/2024 - 09:06
          +5

          This definitely puts the A580 well above the 4060 in my books. VRAM is such a hard limit in some games. If you don't care about ray tracing it's a little faster and far more future proof.

          But yeah Australia has cheaper 4060 than anywhere else it seems making it a harder pick

    • Bang1 on 14/12/2024 - 11:08
      -1

      HuB giving the green light is not the be all and and all and a bible for deciding a graphics card. I am all for competition but mere ~10% performance uplift over RX7600 and RTX 4060 and at this current pricing its not very appealing.

      https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/880718
      RTX 4060 at this price would have been a better buy. RX 7600 can be had for $399 as well.

      And also the 8gb vs 12gb argument. This card will struggle in future games @1440p at which 12gb vram will be useful anyhow.

      But good on intel to bring more options to budget gamers.

  • Commodore64 on 14/12/2024 - 07:49
    +24

    Any pressure on AMD and Nvidia to stop bleeding consumers dry is a good thing.

  • hardjards on 14/12/2024 - 07:49
    +7

    This is a great start. If on the next gen they can take the fight to the x070 level at a reasonable price it would be wonderfull.

  • trentgibbo on 14/12/2024 - 07:59

    This or the OC version?

    • KARMAAA on 14/12/2024 - 08:12
      +1

      No difference between the Titan and this version. Although these have TDPs of 190W or 200W in the case of the Titan, it hovers around 130W, so… pointless.

  • Wrongguy on 14/12/2024 - 08:06
    +2

    Good start, for desktop this is ok. But I would love to see Intel bring in something slightly more powerful(4070-4070ti range) for laptops because laptop market currently is almost all Nvidia.

    • Raj09 on 14/12/2024 - 08:18

      It'll be interesting to see discrete Intel on laptops

      • DuckWearingTopHat on 14/12/2024 - 09:07

        We already have it with arc. The popular Intel nuc15 (was BPC sold as the kraken laptop) had arc GPU about equivalent to the 3060. So would expect battle Mage to hit the nuc laptop at some point.

        • TeddyBear on 14/12/2024 - 09:34

          The NUC brand has been sold to Asus now and I don't believe they'll be producing laptops in the same vein anymore.

          Although that doesn't rule out Arc Battlemage coming in the form of laptop dGPUs.

  • pkh on 14/12/2024 - 08:07

    This or the 6600xt which can be bought for about the same price?

    • emwearz on 14/12/2024 - 08:15
      +2

      The Arc B580 without a doubt.

      Before going into anything else (the B580 is the stronger card), the 8gb frame buffer of the 6600XT is barely enough today and won't be enough tomorrow.

    • KARMAAA on 14/12/2024 - 08:17
      +7

      This, 6600 XT is about 20% slower

      At higher resolutions like 4K, it's a bloodbath of 53%.

    • ilove on 14/12/2024 - 08:30
      +1

      3060 12GB FHR is $360 from a 0 feed back seller…

  • fordprefect on 14/12/2024 - 08:16
    +2

    LTT review gives it a great rap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dboPZUcTAW4

    • scud70 on 14/12/2024 - 10:42
      +1

      Do yourself a favour and watch Hardware unboxed and GN for detailed review even if you skip to the conclusion (assuming it's the only review you watched) . LTT is the last channel I look to for reviews… I even unsubscribed as it's no more than an entertainment channel peddling merch.

      • BuzzBuzzBuzz on 14/12/2024 - 10:56
        +2

        Who likes to be entertained?

        • scud70 on 14/12/2024 - 11:50

          I assume most the people that watch LTT … Just not my thing and not the channel that I'd go to for detailed review of tech … Once the WAN show became an infomercial for their stuff in clicked that unsub button but each to their own.🙂

  • Raj09 on 14/12/2024 - 08:17
    +1

    Good to see competition

  • Zerosignal on 14/12/2024 - 08:20
    +5

    12gb is the secret sauce here

    • dutch on 14/12/2024 - 10:59

      12 herbs and spices

  • Ice009 on 14/12/2024 - 08:26
    +2

    Battlemage B580 is an ideal 1080p high/1440p mid card, 10% faster than the 4060 with 4GB extra VRAM, XeSS 2 upscaling and VVC/H.266 decoding
    AMD's low end RDNA 3 7000 series cards - lacking matrix/AI cores, proper upscaling/RT, ROCm support etc can now be seen as the e-waste they truly are

    What is the 6900XT that I have lacking as far as these extras go?

    Great to see some competition from Intel. We really need this as graphics card prices have gotten out of hand. I remember when you could get a great mid-range/lower top end card for about $350-500 a few years ago.

    • bolognesebag on 14/12/2024 - 08:42
      -1

      Mostly just the RT cores, upscaling/AI tech and abilities and smaller codec support. Your 6900XT is still more than enough and performance wise the Intel card would be a downgrade.
      Correct me if I'm wrong!

      • Ice009 on 14/12/2024 - 08:46

        Yes, performance wise it would still easily win I'd assume between the two, but I was just curious what features it's missing as I assume the newer cards can do more things, but I wanted to know if it's lacking a lot in regard to those features that newer cards seem to have. I'm not even sure if my card does AV1 decoding/encoding.

        • bolognesebag on 14/12/2024 - 09:01

          Yeah, the Intel card will have the better upscaling tech and AI performance, like XeSS2. I haven't had a look into that but I'd assume it's pretty good in the games that support it, not sure how it competes with DLSS and FSR. I don't think you're missing out on too much though.
          From some searching it seems like your card has AV1 decoding but not encoding.

          • Grish on 14/12/2024 - 09:39

            @bolognesebag: Yep AV1 encoding only started showing up from amd7000 and NVIDIA 4000 iirc.

  • BargainKen on 14/12/2024 - 08:27
    +1

    Fun fact, Huang and Su are distant cousins…

  • Low Punt on 14/12/2024 - 08:30

    How does this compare to the A770 16gb?

    • Commodore64 on 14/12/2024 - 08:45

      The A770 is the flagship from the previous gen so it's going to be a mixed bag.
      I wouldn't upgrade… the faster spec cards are still on their way from Intel.

      • xinsnake on 14/12/2024 - 08:47

        But A770 is cheaper and faster at $399?

        • Commodore64 on 14/12/2024 - 08:48

          Sure, that's because it's older and its price has come down.
          You may find the B580 could perform better in raytracing or other areas.

          If the performance is that important, wait for the higher spec cards

        • KARMAAA on 14/12/2024 - 08:52
          +3

          A770 is actually slower.

        • Blasters on 14/12/2024 - 09:03

          I can't comment on performance of the new cards. I do own and use an A770 16GB, in the early days drivers were buggy and weird stuff would occur. Since then the drivers are frequently updated and have come along way, its been rock solid for me. If you can snag one at a competitive price I think they are still great cards to purchase. I am in no hurry to upgrade this generation unless there is a significant uplift in AV1 encoding or flexibility in profiles.

        • scud70 on 14/12/2024 - 10:21

          A770 is slower…

  • Everettpsycho on 14/12/2024 - 08:33

    Just remember intel gpus love resizable bar. If you have ab older mothervoard and cpu that can't do that you'll probably take a hit in performance from the reviewers benchmarks.

    Be good to see someone do a side by aide in a balanced system using an older cpu that a lot kf people might want to pair these with.

  • monchee on 14/12/2024 - 08:42

    Is this going to be good for my Unraid setup? Have a gtx970 but looking to upgrade for AI image gen and prolly AV1 encoding.

    • Commodore64 on 14/12/2024 - 08:47
      +1

      Yes, but wait for the b880 or whatever they are calling their higher gen cards.
      I'm keen to see what 16 or (dare I say it) 24gb memory options we get.

      I know it's a longshot but if there's a 24gb option it'll really start messing up AMD and Nvidia for people just wanting AI workloads without paying top dollar.

      • monchee on 14/12/2024 - 10:31

        Yeah will do. Cheers!

  • TeddyBear on 14/12/2024 - 09:01
    +2

    Upvoting because this price bracket has been sorely neglected for quite a while. XeSS also has frame generation now.

    Although do note that pre-orders for this card were $419.

  • tellhimhesdreaming on 14/12/2024 - 09:08

    So good to see another competitor in the market, second gen Intel cards looking pretty sharp.

  • Oofy Doofy on 14/12/2024 - 09:18

    What a beauty!

  • TeddyBear on 14/12/2024 - 09:25
    +2

    VVC/H.266 decoding

    Not that this is a widely used feature, but the hardware media decoder on Battlemage does not support VVC / H.266.

    • BROKENKEYBOARD on 14/12/2024 - 09:57

      What is software decoding like? These GPUs apparently use ~35W during video playback so it might be more efficient to use software decoding anyway.

    • Look Up on 14/12/2024 - 10:19
      +2

      Thanks, fixed

      Lunar Lake with mobile Battlemage iGPU (Arc 130V / Arc 140V) = hardware VVC decoding

      Battlemage dGPU (Arc B570 / Arc B580) = no hardware VVC decoding

  • Grish on 14/12/2024 - 09:44

    Tossing up between this, a 4060 or just a 6600 for a kids PC build for Xmas, probably going with a B550/5600 base.

    Only concern to me is for a kids PC having to tinker with driver issues, also old game compatability might be an issue ie DX8,9,10 etc..

    Really want to get this as buying a 4060 is the last thing I want to do, but it feels like I don't really have any other option.

    • TeddyBear on 14/12/2024 - 09:50
      +1

      The Intel Arc A750 is $285 at the moment if you don't care about 4GB of extra VRAM.

      Since it's a previous gen card drivers will have matured significantly since launch, although they are far from perfect.

      • Grish on 14/12/2024 - 11:00

        Well the 12GB is the main factor over the 4060 for me, offset by driver/stability issues that might not be ideal for a kid.

        3060 12GB would be decent enough, but costs same as 4060 and uses more power.

        6600 is under $300 and can be tweaked to run very well too. But getting a little long in the tooth so the extra $100 for 4060 is probably worth it.

    • johnno07 on 14/12/2024 - 11:14
      +1

      Really want to get this as buying a 4060 is the last thing I want to do, but it feels like I don't really have any other option.

      I think you just answered you own question. I would 1000% be getting the B850 over the 4060 if I was aiming for this performance range. Partly because it's a better card (and I think compatibility is pretty much fine) and partly because (profanity) Nvidia.

  • Bid Sniper on 14/12/2024 - 09:55
    +2

    Great price considering its surpasses a 4060 in many games.

    I bought A750 while back for 1440p gaming. Was a rocky start but constant updates made it into a great card actually.

    B series looks great. I'm hoping there will be a 4080 equivalent in the pipline.

    • scud70 on 14/12/2024 - 10:29
      +1

      We'll see… Intels out of money and these cards will be losing them money, they need gpu's to compete moving forward but it just may end up being rolled into their APUs and discreet will disappear.

      I hope that doesn't happen because in two generations they are already competing in the low end, that in itself is an amazing outcome.

  • wizko on 14/12/2024 - 10:14
    +1

    Damn literally 253USD when you subtract GST and convert to US dollars.

    This is genuinely the first time I have seen a brand new graphics card that isn't batshit overpriced compared to America.

  • vince088 on 14/12/2024 - 10:14
    +8

    I cannot imagine telling myself 10 years ago we will be getting a AMD CPU with a Intel GPU. xD

    • PainToad on 14/12/2024 - 10:41
      +1

      I cannot imagine telling myself 10 years ago we will be getting Apple ARM CPU and GPU.

  • FireRunner on 14/12/2024 - 10:23
    +4

    I like that Intel is bringing some real fight to the competition but this is just RRP

  • freefall101 on 14/12/2024 - 10:32
    +1

    While it’s a good retail price, it’s worth remembering this drops 6 days before Boxing Day. Probably worth holding unless it’s for a Christmas gift.

    The 4060 went as low as $329 during Black Friday, which is better bang for buck.

  • motion2082 on 14/12/2024 - 10:35

    Intel for the Win in the GPU market.

    Hopefully they can make a card that competes with the 4080 for half the cost.

    Big middle finger to Nvidia

  • MHLoppy on 14/12/2024 - 10:44
    +5

    Battlemage B580 is an ideal 1080p high/1440p mid card, 10% faster than the 4060 with 4GB extra VRAM, XeSS 2 upscaling and VVC/H.266 decoding
    AMD's low end RDNA 3 7000 series cards - lacking matrix/AI cores, proper upscaling/RT, ROCm support etc can now be seen as the e-waste they truly are

    Battlemage is exciting! It's FANTASTIC that in a relatively short time frame, Intel seems to have become competitive in the consumer GPU space. I was also personally impressed by the significant improvements to the LE cooler assembly.

    But can we please not do this emotional tribal bullshit? Buy the product(s) that suit(s) your needs at your price point. This isn't a fanboy competition, and we're not here to be hypeclubs for corporations.

    10% faster than the 4060

    But since this is just the MSRP and not a sale price, it's also 33% more expensive than the last 4060 deal ($329 delivered with ebay plus), which still got less votes than this deal currently does. It feels like there's WAY too much hype going on here.

    4GB extra VRAM

    Yes, it's pretty nice, but for most people it's just a matter of how it affects performance, and what the price of the final product is. See again: 4060 going for sub-$400 multiple times

    XeSS 2 upscaling

    Yes, XeSS upscaling is quite good. How good the new stuff in XeSS 2 is (e.g., frame generation) remains to be seen. This isn't a religion. We can wait for the evidence in reviews before deciding if it's good or not.

    VVC/H.266 decoding

    It doesn't support this (while writing this comment the OP was updated)

    AMD's low end RDNA 3 7000 series cards - lacking matrix/AI cores, proper upscaling/RT, ROCm support etc can now be seen as the e-waste they truly are

    This is some real MuserBenchark stuff.

    • There aren't that many consumer uses for the AI hardware unless you're actually into doing AI stuff on your local machine.
    • Most games that implement raytracing don't look better with it enabled. The ones that do tend to murder your performance (written version of the second video), and few of those will run acceptably smoothly on a card like this.
    • AMD having less-than-CUDA GPU compute support doesn't magically make Intel's as good as CUDA's. Like seriously, this is a con of an Intel card not a pro? Yes, they're working on it. Last I checked (and, in fairness, this is not "my scene") it's not there yet.

    Second-gen Intel GPUs? Exciting! Competition! Looking forward to the B7xx cards! Looking forward even more to the Cxxx cards!

    Should you buy a B580 at this price: if you weren't willing to buy a 4060 for $329, probably not.

    • JTayzer on 14/12/2024 - 11:08
      +1

      "It feels like there's WAY too much hype going on here." Literally this.

      I am not super hyped, it's a good step in the right direction for Intel but only because they HAD to. If they didn't do this, their GPU division would be completely joever. They can do better though, especially with pricing - that is my main point.

    • ozfool on 14/12/2024 - 12:10

      A 4060 for $400 (common deal price, current low is $420) is about even value with a b580 for $439 just going by performance and not other hype features.

      The $330 deal had near zero stock and was an anomolously good deal that almost seemed like a pricing error, I was refeshing it constantly for 2 days and couldn't get one. The true black friday price for available stock was $380.

      I want to buy a B580 but this is just a hype post and not a deal, might be worth a neg.

  • Grish on 14/12/2024 - 11:11

    The 10% faster than 4060 is often only due to 4060 crapping itself out from maxed vram usage.

    4060 currently benefits more with relative upscaling gains (DLSS) than the Intel equiv.

    Power consumption is also considerably higher than a 4060 (~100w vs ~190-220+) which is also a fair consideration, often glossed over by reviewers.

    Then of course there's drivers and old game compatability where it will lose out to amd/nvidia by a lot.

    I think it needs to be just under $400au and it will be more of tinkerers card than a mainstream one, but still very happy that Intel are moving in the right direction to rock the GPU boat.

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