How to Deal with Bin Scavengers Leaving their Smelly Trolley Outside your House?

I have a problem which I suspect probably affects most people living in NSW. It's a combination of the smell that these bin scavengers create and the rubbish they leave behind, and the health risks they pose to the general public.

Ever since the introduction of the 10c refund in NSW, there has been an increase in rubbish that is dumped around my house. Often I clean up my area but my neighbours are either too busy or have just given up and when there is a storm the rubbish just gets blown around. At first I thought it was due to people not using bags because of the bag fee, but people are still using bags from what I can see just sitting on my front verandah as people are carrying their waste to the red household bin. I thought I would see more people carrying their bins directly and dumping them into the red bin, but I almost never see this because frankly the plastic bag problem hasn't really gone away, it's just another hidden tax that was enforced onto people. I receive a good 20-30 bags a week from my local stores…

Another increase I've seen is people getting sick in my area since these scavengers usually open bins and generally have this weird odor that no other person generates. How do I put it, they smell worse than a homeless person and you can bet yourself that the sudden rise in communicable diseases is due to these people walking around spreading it to your children… They don't collect from the yellow recycling bin, they collect from the red bin and also the council waste bins you see outside in the streets… When I'm sitting on my verandah and I can hear a trolley of clinking bottles, then I know to get back inside, otherwise once they come past the house they usually park their trolley outside and then go scavenging for bottles in an area. That trolley smells putrid!

Maybe the council could introduce some fines that ensure the bottles collected must stay within 5 meters of the person, this would allow the bottles to keep on moving, and possibly discourage some scavengers from holding large quantities since the smell would have to travel with them. Sometimes I'm lucky and the trolley isn't parked outside my house, but then my neighbour a few houses away is unlucky enough to have to smell the odour for that good 20 minutes whilst the person is running around looking through bins of the street. Either way, I suspect if the bottles stay with the person, then they would not be collecting them, and obviously the bottles are being kept away from themselves as they know it smells. I'm talking a large woolworths style trolley filled with a 240L household bin style bag which I suspect is the Armada brand.

To make it harder for the ordinary folk to get fined, the council could either have fines for people caught with large amounts of unsanitary bottles more than 5 meters unattended because genuinely I'm not too fussed with the low volume scavengers leaving their mini trolley outside my house, sure they smell but you can't smell them from your verandah… The ones that collect a large quantity have this kind of putrid smell that no words can describe. If you are collecting the bottles yourself to return they are unlikely to develop this putrid smell because they haven't been placed into the red bin… Frankly, it's a good policy they should use to generate revenue from scumbag scavengers.

These scavengers effectively transfer wealth from the average taxpayer/council to their own pockets, depriving the council of revenue and increasing the burden on your council rates. Remember that recycling companies generally pay the council for the amount of cans/bottles collected in the yellow bin.

I believe the council should look into ways of introducing fines for these types of public nuisances, but no one is willing to do the hard work to get it enforced. Surely there is some part of some health regulation that can be used.

What do you guys think we should do about these scavengers? Should we exempt small scale scavengers or should we hit them all just as hard?

Also: Are there still scavengers in wealthy suburbs? Is moving to another suburb actually a solution?

Comments

  • +42

    These scavengers effectively transfer wealth from the average taxpayer/council to their own pockets, depriving the council of revenue and increasing the burden on your council rates.

    No they dont. The more a council collects, the more it costs. They are reducing the cost to council and anyone who is not returning bottles is throwing away 10c for every item. They obviosuly dont care about the 10c.

    Remember that recycling companies generally pay the council for the amount of cans/bottles collected in the yellow bin.

    Dont think so. The recycling companies are paid to collect recyclables and then they earn income from whatever they sell, thats how they make money. Doesnt come back to the council.

    Another increase I've seen is people getting sick in my area

    You're talking out your butt. That isn't happening.

  • +13

    Stop putting containers with a deposit in your recycling bin. Collect them and return them yourself.

    • +4

      Problem is though… last time i went to the return-and-earn, i was behind one of these "scavengers". A ute, loaded with massive bags of containers and 2 barstools, so they could sit at the machine for hours and feed it containers.
      Be better if these machines had limits… or perhaps even better if the return was directly at the supermarket, like parts of Europe do.

      • +1

        We have a bulk colection place near home. No sorting glass from others. It all goes in one machine, fed from a massive hopper that a person loads in bulk. Lately theyve also installed abin lifter, so now i can take a wheelie bin full and get it unloaded in one tip.

      • Go early in the morning

    • +4

      I did it once. It is not worth the time and frustration at one of those machines. The conveyor belt constantly rejects cans, it stinks, and there are way more serious people who collect cans everywhere who are probably using the machine when you show up.

      • It is not worth the time and frustration at one of those machines.

        It's true. Our kids have decided they want to do it so to make the whole exercise even vaguely time/cost/benefit effective we now store up all the cans and bottles in a "bulka bag" and get down there every so often. The collect on it is usually around the $25 - $30 mark.

        We're fortunate that we have a space to store all this stuff up, but if we didn't (and if the kids weren't interested in it), I just couldn't be bothered. I once gave it a go with a normal load of a couple of weeks' worth of maybe 30-odd items and it was a total waste of time to collect three bucks.

        • I didn't even get money from it… just a Coles voucher or an option to donate to charity

          • @nea ozb: You can scan the voucher at Coles and cash out. It's so they don't have to keep cash at the collection site.

  • +16

    Everyday I get to read something interesting on Ozbargain.

    • +14

      You actually read that …🙀

    • +9

      Still waiting for something today huh?

    • +4

      You'd have loved our old community news before it was taken over. Letter to the editor are boring now, but we used to get some hilarious rants. In context of the topic, we had one person complain that people weren't putting their bins out in the right colour order and that made the streets look untidy.

  • +8

    Something off about this troll post. Just doesn’t feel genuine enough to be entertaining.

  • +1

    Popcorn time already?

  • +2

    Another increase I've seen is people getting sick in my area

    So you are a GP then?

  • +3

    Maybe the implied low lives are you and your neighbours. Why don't you guys put the bottles and cans in the recycling bin and let the needy take it from there? Or you can't be arsed to separate the recyclables from the red bin?

    Are there still scavengers in wealthy suburbs? Is moving to another suburb actually a solution?

    If people are using trolleys, maybe there's a Return and Earn nearby?

    • +3

      and let the needy take it from there?

      Because it is seldom the "needy" that get them, it's the arsehole in the jacked Ranger in my area that has his kids running down the road and opening bins. He follows his kids down the street as they flip open (and not shut them again) bins and then if they find "a" 10c recyclable container, they will often empty half the contents of the recycle bin and leave a mess. The guy lives about 3 streets away from me and lives in what I could only describe as the 3 or 4 largest house in that street. They are hardly "the needy".

      In my area, I have NEVER seen the "needy" going through bins. If I did, I would happily supply them with the stash I have in the garage, but it's always some arsehole in a car/ute, chasing their runner/s and loading up if they find a house with containers in their recycling and making a mess. They are 100% the reason I DON'T put my 10c bottles and cans out. I want them to go to the people who can best use them and not some opportunistic arsehole using his kids as slaves.

      • Interesting.

        In OP's suburb in NSW, I've seen a few old men and women, riding bikes carrying two, even three, massive clothes bags full of cans and bottles.

        • +2

          Where I live, there is a homeless woman (with mental impairment) that does this. She rides around on her bike and collects bottles and cans, but she NEVER goes into peoples bins to get them. A lot of people donate the bottles and cans to her directly, but the biggest issue for her are the "professional crews" who go around ruining it for people like her.

          She doesn't comes up into the area where I live, but if she did, I would set out my bottles and cans and let her know they were hers… The problem is, if the "professionals" see these before her, she wont get them… Putting them "on top" or "beside" your bin only makes it easier for the scabs to pick them up. It may stop them "rummaging" and/or making a mess, but these bottles still dont really end up with "the needy."

          My daughter and I save up all our bottles and cans and we go down and trade them in and take the vouchers and give them to the lady directly or we hand them into whatever shop she uses and tell them who it is for and they set aside all the vouchers people bring in to give to her. This is "giving to the needy".

      • +2

        They go and collect a few cans at 10c a pop and spend $10 on fuel doing so. Doesnt make a lot of sense.

  • +3

    Does OZB have like an annual poll for weirdest post? Maybe even by category?

  • +2

    Damn, that's quite the wall of text.

    Seperate your 10c items and leave them on top or to the side to prevent loitering outside your property.

    Are there still scavengers in wealthy suburbs? Is moving to another suburb actually a solution?

    They have bicycles and I've seen them on trains at least once. There is no escape.

  • +1

    Who's got the ChatGPT version

  • +3

    Have the Forums on here gone downhill, or is it just me?
    I find myself actually looking at the Deals lately……

  • yes

  • +1

    come to the lower north shore br0
    the bins in my area have rolex and gold all tat time

    i cant even be asked taking them.

  • +3

    Another increase I've seen is people getting sick in my area

    I find Aldi a good place to buy foil

    • +2

      Another increase I've seen is people getting sick in my area

      Probably a highly vaxxed group then. /s

    • +1

      Aluminium doesn't have the same blocking properties as tin foil. That's how the government gets you.

  • +2

    TL.DR version?

    • +4

      Old person sits on porch and gets angry when smelly bin scavengers come past.

      • +1

        Then runs inside to avoid being down wind.

    • New side gig to make money in 2024 they don't want you to know

  • So……. you've got a problem with the poorest people in our society, doing their best to survive. K. Zero empathy much. Sounds like you find their existence offensive… like you want to exterminate the poor. Geez.

    Probably ease up on the judgement. If it's a problem and you want to do something about it, put a tub on your fenceline area and put your 10c cans into that. If there are always zero 10c cans in your bin, and you are putting them in that tub instead, they'll never go through your bin, and simply move on by, not offending your precious self with their presence.

  • +1

    I don't have the problem of trash left behind from can scavengers… but there are sometimes shopping trolleys dumped around a corner near my place in which trash begins to pile up in.

    What ends up working for me is using "Snap, Send and Solve". The supermarket teams around my area are pretty good and within a day or two, the trolleys are gone. It works for most things like dumped vehicles, and broken signs etc (depending on your council, your mileage may vary as to if they actually do anything at all).

    Apparantly the supermarkets can get sued if an accident was caused from those trolleys where a report was made but nothing was actioned.

  • +2

    user name - Counter Intelligence

    is the counter from one of the those rural pubs where everyone in the region is a half-first cousin ?

  • +3

    Hello,

    Just wanted to say, I thought there were horrible bin users on my street once upon a time and rubbish was scattered everywhere every week or two.

    Turns out it was the bin chickens opening bins that weren't closed properly from units with overflowing bins and then an array of birds (pigeons, ravens) pecking their way through all the bags.

    Just saying, it might not be the person doing it…

  • +3

    Can someone put a quick summary of what op says, I read the whole thing, can't understand, perhaps ms paint diagram even it's not really about idiots on the road.

    • +2

      Whinge about Bin Chickens in NSW.

    • I thought it was just me. I don't get it either. Why are they dumping plastic bags and trolleys that smell after taking bottles and cans?
      @Counter Intelligence Are they emptying your smelly rubbish into reusable bags, into trolleys to take your bottles and cans for a deposit?

  • +1

    I really dont understand this. We've had deposit scheme in SA since 77. People openly bin dive for 10c. It's a local past time, even in the Mall.

    But Ive never seen a mess or a smell. Between pensioners with hessian sacks, homeless with trolleys and tongs to people like my Mum who just see 10c, everyone behaves.

    I can only conclude that a) folk are different here (thank goodness) and b) we're a little more participatory in the social systems

  • -1

    What in the holy NIMBY is this? Get therapy

  • +1

    These scavengers effectively transfer wealth from the average taxpayer/council to their own pockets, depriving the council of revenue and increasing the burden on your council rates. Remember that recycling companies generally pay the council for the amount of cans/bottles collected in the yellow bin.

    What a load of BS!

    Dude, get real. Even if the above was true, which is NOT, we are talking chump change.

    What about folks who leave behind dog waste on your nature strip, and your children accidentally drag all that disease causing filth back inside your house? I don't see you getting worked up about that.

    To make it harder for the ordinary folk to get fined, the council could either have fines for people caught with large amounts of unsanitary bottles more than 5 meters unattended

    Excellent idea, genius.
    Lets fine / penalize these marginalized "lowly scavengers" who most likely don't have a fixed address or any other source of income.

  • +2

    And that’s why kids, you don’t do drugs.

  • The OP's wall of text might come off as a bit condescending but they do have a point.

    I'm not even in NSW but it's still the same story where I live ever since the ol' 10c bottle refund scheme came into effect:

    • The night before bin day, a motley crew of shadowy figures descend on the neighbourhood and shamble around the streets anywhere from 6PM - 10PM or later, as soon as people's bins are lining the verges. They're going through people's trash in line of sight from windows/driveways, sometimes standing within their property boundaries with zero awareness or respect for people's personal space, property or decency. There's little subtlety on their part as they're loudly tossing bottles/cans into trolleys or giant bags, it looks like a scene out of Night of the Living Dead, it's an unpleasant sight and it certainly does alter the dynamic of peaceful, family-friendly neighbourhoods that kids could stroll along into something that feels distinctly more unwelcoming and on edge.

    • Trash does get inevitably strewn around as people's bins are picked clean which residents then have to pick up themselves but due to the odd hours that people's bins are scavenged, the trash can accumulate on streets, get blown around by the wind and spread everywhere causing a disgusting mess over time. This creates work for neighbourhood residents, council workers, etc and does pose risks in terms of hygiene/health. General waste bins are often left wide open too so that the lovely aromas of rotting garbage can permeate throughout the neighbourhood; a really nice touch.

    • In my area, a good percentage of the people doing these bin night scavenger hunts are homeless, drug users/addicts or in general people you don't really want hanging around suburban homes with valuables in them, potentially getting ideas, nor close to people's families with children.

    As is standard operating procedure with any hare-brained state/national scheme cooked up by the gaggle of sh*theads running this country, they are incredibly poorly-planned and implemented and always have unforeseen consequences, this one being that bin nights have now become magnets for armies of bottle/can-collecting Mad Max extras who don't really care if they're trashing people's lawns/verges and streets nor what kind of impact their presence has on the residents as long as they get their sweet, sweet 10 cent refunds.

    Because of course, the primary purpose of this 10c bottle/can refund collection scheme was that it would become the main income stream for the jobless in our society, and not in fact, to reduce recyclable waste build-up in the average household and to cut down on landfill.

    • +1

      "Because of course, the primary purpose of this 10c bottle/can refund collection scheme was that it would become the main income stream for the jobless in our society"

      The container deposit scheme started in South Australia in 1977. A full four decades before some other states. If, as you say, the goal of this was to give poor people an income, why did some areas of the country wait 40 years? Did poor people not exist over there?

  • +1

    the primary purpose of this 10c bottle/can refund collection scheme was that it would become the main income stream for the jobless in our society

    Brilliant!

    Now can we discuss tax on super over $3M?

    • Now can we discuss tax on super over $3M?

      Absolutely… not. Just one of the many topical subjects relevant to the majority of ordinary people right now that cannot be even hinted at being discussed on a national level, due to the dictates of our oligarch overlords. Like abolishing negative gearing, tax avoidance by large corporations, why we're importing 500K Uber drivers into every state capital annually, the housing crisis, cost of living crisis, etc, etc…

  • +1

    Make a 'no recyclables / cans / bottles / metal' etc sticker for your red bin, and don't put any of these in the red bins. Encourage your neighbours to do likewise. Once the trash collectors work out that there's no point coming to your street the problem will move on.

    Keep bottles and cans out of the yellow bins and send them to recycling yourself.

    • Keep bottles and cans out of the yellow bins and send them to recycling yourself.

      Wow, that's a really convenient solution. Finding sufficient space in your home to stockpile huge amounts of trash, then driving out of your way to waste your free time on a weekend so you can wait in a giant f**k-off queue to dump the sh*t at a nearby recycling centre, which could be 30 minutes away or more.

      Do you work for the government by any chance? If not, considering applying because you seem to be cut from their cloth.

      • I crush my cans and keep them in a box about 60cm by 30 x 30. Easily fits in anyone's home. It's not a huge stockpile of trash. The recycling center is on my way to the local shopping center. Yes, there can sometimes be a 10 minute queue, so I don't go around lunch time when the queue is usually the longest.

        And no, I don't work for the government. Why are you so angry?

  • I live in a wealthy suburb and we don't have this problem here

    Looks like another case of the poor complaining about themselves

    • +1

      Lol, it's good to see a lot of our elected officials visiting this forum post. You guys glow more radioactive than the Chernobyl exclusion zone.

  • I have not been to Chatswood in a while, must of gone downhill.
    The people who collect the cans/bottles from our street drive their cars, no trolleys here. They don't make a mess or too much noise.

  • Unironically the collection thing is great, they should do this for all rubbish (with safeguards to prevent fraud etc) so any random person can get paid to clean the street.

  • bag them put them on top off bin tell them bin has no bottle in it.

  • +1

    My gripe (Rundle Mall, Adelaide) is when these folks open the rubbish bin enclosures to get cans and bottles, drain their sticky mess on the hard surface next to the bins in high traffic areas then walk off leaving the bin enclosure open and the internal bin off centre so all rubbish people throw in the enclosure lands outside the bin. This lack of respect for the community and public property generally causes bad sentiment towards homeless generally.

  • Bins are council property. Your local government probably has bylaws regarding bin use and enforcement.
    So call up council and see what they can do.
    Its helpful to have specific times these issues happen to help get Rangers there at the right time.
    PS you really needed a TLDR

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