How Far Back Do We Accept an Ancient Claim to Land?

If you have lost land in a war or have been settled by a more foreign people's, how many years or generations should pass before you lose all ancestry claim to the land?

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  • Captain Cook, (he was no masterchef), landed on the east coast of New Holland and claimed it for HM in the UK. The Yanks landed on the moon and planted the American Flag - does this mean the moon belongs to the USA, it is a real terra nullis.

  • You can't live in the past.

    To the victor gets the spoils. It's a cold hard reality of human triumph. The more powerful/technological race wins.
    The only way the 'loser' gets it back is if they fight back later on, or pester the winner long enough to get it back.

    You can make as many claims to your ancestral land as you want. But thoughts and prayers and feelings alone won't give it back to you.

    Is Russia right in invading Ukraine? No.
    Is Israel right in scorched earthing Gaza? No.

    But that level of force can only be met with force, and if the world isn't prepared to take appropriate action to reverse these hostilities strongly (and demonstrate to others that penalties will be paid if you do so), then powers will continue to TAKE WHAT THEY WANT.

    If you don't stand up to bullies, they continue to bully. Smacking them on the wrist won't stop them, and won't deter others looking to do the same.

    Until then, Russia and Israel will continue to do whatever they like. And due to the inaction by the rest of the world, others like China will soon follow suit.

    There's no "claim" to anything. Not Aboriginal, not Islamic, not grand poohba. None.
    You either take and hold with power, or get it back with power.
    Democratically or via a Regime is just a preference label on how those people chose to live. At the end of the day it's still MILITARY POWER that rules the day. There's no good or bad, "axis of evil" or "free world". Just perceptions, and military might.

    • +1

      There is how the world should be and how the world is. The truth hurts but this comment is accurate.

      The USA rules the world because they won WW2, beat the USSR and have maintained military strength ever since. China knows how it works and is building up forces as quick as possible.

      • Yep! I'm not talking about fairness or how it "should be". It's HOW IT IS!

        Here in the West we consider the USA the "good guys". They are good in our eyes because we are allied with them, not because they are "good".
        They are still a military superpower…. just one that happens to have our back and share some lifestyle ideals we have.

        But it's all perspective. There's approximately 1.5 billion people who think India is the "good guy", and another 1.2 billion who think China is.

        It IS how the world is. Always was, always will be. That's human nature… build military strength, gain technological advances, and use those to influence the world around you. It's great for us as (Australia, UK, USA etc) because the world is currently slanted to have democratic nations set the 'rules' for trade and prosperous economies.

        But all that has come from military dominance.

        Then, with the "peace" that brings (we've had a lot of it over the last 5 decades up until recently) diplomacy is allowed to pretend like it controls things. But it really doesn't. The only reason the world listens to the USA is because it carries a big stick.
        So does Russia, China, UK, India etc.

        But can you imagine a world without the USA? Who would be the top dog militarily, and what 'rules' would they implement? You can bet it won't be favourable to anyone not aligned with them! That's what the USA did. That's what Rome did. That's always been that way.

        That's what makes the whole Trump thing so scary. He really does have the power to completely change the world order- and due to his lack of intelligence, not in a good way! It would be a gift to Russia and China. A blessing to do whatever they like unopposed. A Trump USA would move heavily into protectionist isolationist mode. Short term that would save them a lot of money, but long term it would completely destabilise the world- with other nations looking to take advantage of that.

        It really is a big deal…. much much bigger than whatever damage Trump will cause to his own country. It's what his inaction will do around the world.

  • why are there never any marches about the oppression of women and their rights?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-27/taliban-bans-womens-v…

    • Its selective fu<kery man.

  • If it's won through military means the loser has a claim while major fighting is still ongoing. Once the guns are put down and both sides go back to daily living, the claim has been given up. Pockets of resistance may extend the claim only if they have enough resources, manpower and organisation to achieve victory against the occupiers in a reasonable period of time (maybe 10 years). Otherwise they're just terrorist. As others have said a rematch is always an option but losers of wars don't get to dictate terms to the victor.

  • +2

    If history has taught anything, the only thing that matters is power. Doesn't matter where you evolved from as a human being.

    • Yep! They wrap democracy and choice around it to dress it up, but at it's core it always come down to power. Military power and technological development.

  • Maybe the neighbouring muslims can all come together and assist.
    Oh snap, they don't give a sh!t either. Sadly these fu<kwits cant get along well with each other either.
    So until thats sorted, Enjoy.

  • As far back as we need me to have a claim, no less and no further.

  • -1

    Until the claimant starts systematically and relentlessly murdering women, children, aid workers, journalists, and accusing the UN of terrorism.

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