Will this be a factor in buying an ev ? Thoughts on the matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBv4eD9AIRs
200 Cars Burnt at Airport Possible Cause EV
zombie hunter on 24/08/2024 - 08:14
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Climate change ! Burnt Ev's, now that would be progress š
"The vehicle involved was diesel-powered ā it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle. "
https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-startā¦Wrong fire. The one in question happened in Portugal a week ago. It doesn't really matter what started it, a lot of stored energy in a confined space is going to burn regardless and stored petrol on site made it a lot worse, the investigation here isn't complete yet.
Is John Cadogan the Paul Murray of Youtube car commentators?
Well, he is certainly peddling his brand of outrage click bait algorithm farming content to exactly the same consumersā¦
Or you could avoid the shock jock level coverage, read the actual news articles and await the outcome of actual investigations?
https://www.portugalresident.com/pj-police-investigate-massiā¦
Good thing car fires never happen in ICE vehicles though right?
I love their ultra reliable source on the start of the fireā¦ āSICā, which is a TV stationā¦ who heard it from someone who was watching the fireā¦
So, at the moment, Cadoganās whole video is based on 3rd hand information from a random watcher that a tv station interviewedā¦
Of course, I mean it's JC, what else do you expect?
Good thing car fires never happen in ICE vehicles though right?
Of course not because they have ice š§š§ to put out fires.
Internal combustion engined vehicles are entirely capable of burning down a multi-storey carpark themselves
No it won't affect my choices.
My thoughts are that people take their "news" from some really shit sources and have poor critical thinking skills. This is one post away from flat-earth news.
"The vehicle involved was diesel-powered ā it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle. "
https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-startā¦
Oh, FFS. Stop buying into this guys outrage narrative. John Cadogan went from being an informative and educated well spoken journalist to being just another YouTube algorithm content farmer. He only makes up stories about the shit that causes the most outrage, and being anti-ev is a pretty lucrative position to be taking at the moment.
Also note that whenever there is an ICE vehicle fire that destroys anything, John is somehow silent on the matter. The only reason John doesnāt equally report on ICE fires is because of their monotonous regularity that would be 95% of his videos and the YouTube algorithm wouldnāt work well.
And just watch how fast this all disappears as soon as it is discovered that an ICE vehicle was the source of the fire. All of a sudden it will be radio silence and ānothing to see hereā¦ā
Click bait/rage bait = engagement.
Engagement = YouTube $
It's a simple recipe.Strange that critical thinkers look past this when the first item aligns with their existing views though
A big portion of ICE car fires are deliberately lit or are in cars over ten years old. The issue is the amount of fuel source in batteries, the fumes and that protocols to manage the rare cases of EV fires are not quite there. Like isolating charging bays with concrete bunds (Korea - Merc EQE), wearing SCBA in underground carparks (Korea - Kia EV6), having the access to a burning car to contain the fire (Lisbon airport). Some of the safety protocols may also apply to ICE cars. It is about reducing the severity of such events and the flow-on effects and EV's have brought a variation on it all which hasn't been adequately scoped with regards to fire management.
maybe ICE vehicles do randomly start fires even when the engine isnāt even runningā¦and itās a conspiracy by oil companies? To hide these stories
How long have you been travelling in cars /vehicles with internal combustion engines ? Most of your existence I'm sure , and now they're a problem !
There's no sense preaching to the converted
"The vehicle involved was diesel-powered ā it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle. "
https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-startā¦That was Luton. This latest one is in Lisbon.
Possible cause? Just like the ship fire?
Come back with some solid proof of cause. Even then, ICE fires are 100 times more likely than EV fires.
If its cadogan, I'm not even clicking the link.
ICE fires are 100 times more likely than EV fires.
Maybe because only 1% of the cars are EV ?
Thatās not how that works, jv, but yeah, sure.
They refer to individual factors or factors over some metric that levels the data, such as āper 1,000,000km travelledā or āper 100,000 vehicles.ā
You want to stop getting your shit information from SkyNews and (profanity) like Cadogan mumbling away in his circlejerk confirmation bias echo chamber. They are farming you for click throughs.
Start reading from industry experts like Fire Safe and stop being milked for ad revenue.
your shit information from SkyNews
I don't watch SkyNews, but it sounds like you do, since you're so familiar with what they say…
@jv: I know this is just troll baitā¦ but, here I go anywayā¦
Iām familiar with what SkyNews says because of people like you who just regurgitate their propagandist rhetoric bullshit ad nauseam.
I donāt need to go anywhere near SkyNews to know what the latest āoutrage baitā they are slinging this week is, because it just ends up on here through the āusualā channels.
Get some new material. Or at least update your sources.
You should warn people that it's an insufferable Joan cardigan video.
thanks
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https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-startā¦.
Delete this misinformation $h17. It was caused by a diesel vehicle.
Go report the dip$h17 on youtube too.
While I think the youtube video is crap, you should probably check you have the right fire (or even the right airport) before posting even more misinformation.
Its the most recent one, in the last few days with 200 cars. Ill admit i didnt look at the OP link, but when i searched EV fire airport caBogan had two videos in the results. One of which was 200 cars and in the last few days.
The other was in sydney and 4 cars. That one was a crashed EV that had the battery out in a holding yard.
Its the most recent one, in the last few days with 200 cars
Do you mean what you linked to is? Because it clearly states:
At its height, more than 100 firefighters tackled the fire, which started in the evening of 10 October 2023 and saw aircraft grounded until the following day.
Did you read the article you linked to? And what's caBogan?
"The vehicle involved was diesel-powered ā it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle. "
https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-startā¦
Stop your FUD against EV's. EV'ss are safer than ICE vehicles.
EV'ss are safer than ICE vehicles.
That depends on how you do your comparisons.
On a vehicle per vehicle count, ICE is 100 times more likely to catch fire.
ICE is 100 times more likely to catch fire.
No it's not.
@jv: https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/how-many-electric-cars-haā¦
Passenger electric vehicles have a 0.0012 per cent chance of catching fire, according to research from EV FireSafe, which provides free EV fire safety knowledge for emergency responders. In comparison, petrol or diesel-powered cars have roughly a 0.1 per cent chance of igniting.
Its not even close. EV 100 time less likely.
according to research from EV FireSafe
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How about some independent research.
@jv: Go look for yourself. I picked one article, from a (somewhat) reputable aussie publisher with a link to a published article. It wasnt john cabogan or another clown vying for clicks.
Come back with a verifiable counter if you think I'm wrong. You're argument of 'no' doesn't cut it.
I couldnāt even watch the video, the way the guy talks is painful to listen to. It appeals to a certain type of market only I suspect.
Any post that consists of an unexplained/unsummarised YT link followed by "what do you think" is a total waste of time.
Didn't bother to click on the link and waste X minutes of my life.
All it demonstrates is a failure of our secondary education system.
EV Fires are bad.
Are Class D Extinguishers compulsory in EV's?
Diesel and petrol fires are bad.
Are Class B extinguishers compulsory in ICE vehicles?
Are EV fires inherently more dangerous. Absolutely.
Are EV fires easy to put out. No. An ICE fire can most likely be put out with a garden hose/fire extinguisher, an EV fire requires the whole fire department and then some to be put out.
Is personal safety an issue. Absolutely. Thermal runaway is instantaneous. Occupants literally have seconds to exit an EV fire. The source of the fire is literally only centimeters below the occupant(s) feet and torso. Additionally the toxic gases released are deadly and explosive in confined spaces.
Is it relevant to know whether the Lisbon fire was caused by an EV or ICE vehicle. No. The outcome would be the same. EV's randomly scattered on the parking level made the fire impossible to put out by the fire crews that essentially had to wait for all the EV fires to run their course.
An interesting statistic would be the number of EV and ICE fires per 100k vehicles.
There is a research study shown in the Cadogan video with this.
You pretty much got it right, where some comments are complete crap and show the lack of understanding the issue.
You can guarantee misinformation when EVs are mentioned. The anti-EV click farms get stuck into every story
Well, it's certainly made my mind up about buying an airport.
I always buy an EV than ICE..EVs are the future of car's
No