Interesting deal on an older i9, which doesn't have the problems of 13th or 14th Gen CPUs as far as we know.
Good performance compared to similarly priced CPUs.
CamelCamelCamel.
You're not wrong.
13th and 14th generation Intel CPUs have been reported as having a very high defect rate https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/26/24206529/intel-13th-14th-….
Probably hold off buying 13/14 gen intel CPU.. They have issues and there appears to be no fix.
Don't buy these CPUs at all. There isn't a true 'fix' for the problem—any solution only minimizes the damage, but the CPUs will continue to degrade over time, losing performance until they eventually fail. The issue is rooted in a manufacturing defect, resulting in a physical flaw that can't be completely corrected.
Intel has refused to issue a recall and is not offering warranty coverage for CPUs affected by this issue. They have stated that they will not provide replacements or refunds for the defective units, leaving customers to deal with the consequences on their own
I agree with not getting them (7800X3D ftw) but I dont think it is 100% confirmed but it is the consensus of what is happening.
Intel has released microcode update through BIOS update, to address voltage issues. I think the above article refers to processors that have already degraded due to the elevated voltage.
any intel 13/14 gen cpu with a 65 watt + has been identified as potentially faulty, your cpu will degrade over time due to too high voltage.
https://www.theverge.com/24216305/intel-13th-14th-gen-raptor…
extremely likely in an I9, less likely in a I7 low reports in I5, need to update your bios. fact you haven't heard of this mean its probably something you should look into.
While you're right that they're comparable CPUs, Userbenchmark is trash because they continually change their methodology to make each successive gen of Intel CPUs look better than AMD due to a weird vendetta the owner has, making their results not comparable between generations or brands.
The 'conclusion' sections are always a laugh, such a joke.
Thank you for this. I had no idea about this and it explains why it was standing out compared to other benchmarks.
don't use userbenchmark, most missleading website. You should check here instead https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k/6.ht…
they need. a microcode update ..check motherboard bios …think it was called 0x0125 fix …. did mine yesterday, no big deal … seems some default settings didn’t match up between default bios and microcode so some of the voltages were wrong, on the high side. i have 13500 and dont overclock so wasn’t an issue and never ran hot ….easy fix, update bios.
Just buy AMD for safety and principle.
I only buy AMD for low power usage and easy to cool. If intel was the same i would buy intel because they have great low power idle draw.
Just buy AMD for safety and principle.
Whilst AMD is the better buy right now, let's not pretend like they are a morally superior company. Ever since the Ryzen 3000 series, where they've left Intel behind, they've settled into the exact ~5-10% generational improvements that Intel were doing, with the exact same product stack each generation.
The reality is that the evolution from the 3950X to the 9950X (at least based on the benchmarks of the 9700X so far) will be eerily similar to the evolution from the Intel 2600K to the 6700K, where AMD was not competitive.
There are no principles here - AMD are not pro-consumer, like Intel, they want higher margins, and will not innovate if not for competition. Here's hoping that Intel come back stronger in the coming generations, the Ryzen 9000 series, so far, has been genuinely a disappointment.
Zen 5 is a 45% IPS gain in server workloads.. and a 5% gain in desktop gaming performance lol :) Zen 5 was 100% designed for servers and AI… its desktop version is an afterthoght… lets hope the 3D 9800X3D gives us at least a 10 to 15% gain over the 7800X3D. Either way it will be priced terrible just like the 9600x and 9700X
Currently, AMD honors warranties, does not sell known faulty products, and designs CPUs that focus on real improvements rather than just increasing power for minimal gains. They also support CPUs on the same socket for multiple generations and offer well-priced mid-to-high-end processors.
AMD did use multiple AGESA micro code updates to fix multiple issues. Ryzen 3000 series CPUs have RDRAND bug and all AMD did via AGESA was workaround it. Even for AM5 Ryzen 7000 series CPUs, it took multiple updates to improve DDR5 RAM compatibility. I had to return my DDR5 RAM kit which was (and maybe still is) incompatible with AM5 CPUs and get another more expensive kit. The memory training used to take ages.
Waiting for AGESA updates for AMD systems can be annoying at times, especially if you have an AM4 board with an older chipset. Motherboard makers will release updates for X570 and B550 boards first and can often skip updates for B450 boards. With my MSI AM4 board, I have a more limited choice on AGESA versions (not every AGESA version improves performance, some are designed to fix security bugs, which reduce performance). AM4 also have quite a number of AGESA versions where PBO doesn't work properly. Right now, for that AM4 board, if I want to have a working PBO, it needs to take a hit on a slight performance drop.
Blocking PCIe gen 4 support on the m.2 slot and PCIe x16 slot for B450, X470 etc through AGESA isn't doing the right thing for consumers.
I think you're missing my point, in the first few words of my post, I clearly said that AMD is the better buy right now, both for performance reasons and the ones you've stated.
However, the point of my post wasn't to do a tit-for-tat comparison of the ethics and morality of AMD vs. Intel, but rather, to say that neither will act consistently in the best interests of consumers, and that the best products and lower prices are always born from competition.
So it's only good for the market if Intel up their game in the next generation, and it's also great to see Qualcomm stepping up to challenge in the mobile and server space as well, only time before they become a player in the desktop space too.
@p1 ama: Sorry about the confusion, I was mainly commenting / replying on Shiroi's comment. I actually agree with your comment.
Personally, I would prefer AMD offers a CPU replacement for my old Ryzen 3xxx series CPU, rather than using microcode to workaround RDRAND bug.
Agree that for the good of consumers (i.e. us), it is best Intel and AMD are both competitive. AMD gave Intel a wake up call. Qualcomm in the mix is interesting as you pointed out. I actually want PC can be like years ago where we actually get substantial improvements.
One thing about AMD. Based on my recent experience (which can be biased), it is better to wait a bit, rather than being an early adopter for a new generation of AMD CPUs. AMD tends to need time to get its AGESA in a better state. I reckon Zen5 is once again in that situation. More PCIe gen 5 lanes and USB4, AMD is doing what Intel used to do and bringing PC forward.
Ever since the Ryzen 3000 series, where they've left Intel behind, they've settled into the exact ~5-10% generational improvements
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7700x/images/cinebench…
3700X > 5800X = +27%
5800X > 7700X = +26%
7700X > 9700X = +5% (the first weak jump)
this intel vs amd is getting as boring as apple vs android … ice cars vs electric cars , etc.
As someone with a i9 13900k, should I rma my CPU via Intel or umart?
Lately I've been using vm's for study but they have been constantly crashing especially with running a fresh install of a windows server 2019.. can't even do windows update on that server VM cause it would just keep crashing with whea errors
100% YES.. return it under warranty and when you get it back you need to lock the voltage so it never goes over 1.3v when it single core boosts. A few youtube vidoes on how to do it.
Otherwise you will nees to swtich to AMD
Intel has no real fix yet
Don't buy these CPUs at all. There isn't a true 'fix' for the problem—any solution only minimizes the damage, but the CPUs will continue to degrade over time, losing performance until they eventually fail. The issue is rooted in a manufacturing defect, resulting in a physical flaw that can't be completely corrected.
Intel has refused to issue a recall and is not offering warranty coverage for CPUs affected by this issue. They have stated that they will not provide replacements or refunds for the defective units, leaving customers to deal with the consequences on their own
Intel has no real fix yet
I was under the impression the microcode bug fixed in 129 is the real fix?
These guys, who make rigs for content creation, disable overclocks, don't set stupid power limits, etc, are seeing higher failure rates with AMD Ryzen 5000 and 7000 CPUs than 12,13,14 gen Intel stuff. Is this simply 95% hysteria combined with people doing stupid things with their chips, and the rest are legitimate problems caused by the microcode bug?
https://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/2024/08/02/puget-systems-p…
A different perspective on 0x129 microcode:
Intel is Stalling HARD with 0x129 Microcode, which is a BAND-AID Fix!
Intel is not doing what they used to do (underspec their CPUs so they have plenty of overclocking headroom). Also, supporting higher frequency DDR5 generally means more voltage needed. Intel can't drop the voltage too much at the moment as that will affect clock speed so it is in a tough situation with these supposedly unlocked CPUs.
Also, the general consensus is that if the PC already experienced stability and crashing due to the CPU, it is best to RMA the CPU. The microcode might prevent future damage, but can't fix existing damage.
RIP :(
I would contact Umart and try to get them to refund your CPU under warranty. If possible, also attempt to get your motherboard refunded and consider switching to AMD.
As someone with a i9 13900k, should I rma my CPU via Intel or umart?
Intel but expect to send your CPU back before they send you a replacement.
Lately I've been using vm's for study but they have been constantly crashing especially with running a fresh install of a windows server 2019.. can't even do windows update on that server VM cause it would just keep crashing with whea errors
Intel is gone.
Do research first coz Intel CPU have been cough having all sort of problem killing the CPU.
From over voltage to other ton of problems.
10900k last best intel cpu ever made
10900K gang here!
10 actual cores unlike P+E cores which looks good in benchmarking but not that great in productivity and gaming lol
i have 13th gen … the e core thing hasn’t done anything i notice eg cooler, quieter, probably more of a benefit for laptop type cpu , not so much desktop where power and cooling isn’t an issue … probably better yields if e cores are simpler on the wafer.
12th (Alder Lake) and 13th (Raptor Lake) gen have actually been terrible for laptop because of (comparatively) massive uncore power draw making them worse than 11th gen Tiger Lake battery life. The "E" cores are mostly only "efficient" at area meaning they can finally sell you more cores for the cost (so yes, yields are better). There are some heavily multi-threaded workloads that benefit, but honestly you'd have to go 14th gen (Meteor Lake) for a decent laptop CPU if you're not plugged in 24/7 (which, to be fair, I am). Something like 30% decrease in power draw with light use. Of course, very expensive fabrication, and will be even more so with Lunar Lake, but Intel are pricing things competitively with AMD because they really don't want to lose market share at this point, which is good for consumers.
Been running the 10980XE for some time and can’t bring myself to upgrade to anything newer…
~250W TDP (at 100%) lolz
That's not a cpu that's a personal heater!
still love my 12600k, a cost effective, yet power CPU for gaming at 4k (with 4090).
I have a 13600K that I bought in Aus that I’m now uncomfortable with. Should I return it if I’m not yet having any issues? I don’t want to have a lemon in a few years and want to be proactive.
How do I go about doing this?
If you're not having any issues you probably wont be able to return it.
RMA processes for computer retail is very straight forward. The problem needs to be replicated, if it can be there can be a resolution. If not, then you're out of luck.
It would be difficult for you to replicate/reproduce this "fault" and even if you did, if the official response from Intel is "we arent giving refunds", then best you will get is a replacement.
Your best option would proably to sell the motherboard and CPU on the second hand market, which might be a challenge now that this "defect" is common knowledge.
I have just recently lodge a RMA with Intel directly with my 13th gen 13900k, has issues with 3D app crashing (stress testing in 3dMark), and now it has been sent to their Penang in Malaysia factory for replacement. See how it goes.
They'll ship you a new/sealed replacement unit shortly..
As the other poster mentioned, you can't return it if it's not yet faulty.
Intel's microcode fix is starting to roll out now - just update your BIOS when your fixed version appears, and it should prevent the problem ever occurring.
It's only a big deal if your CPU is already affected - the microcode update won't fix these chips that are already broken.
less power usage and more power with a 13600k.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-12900KF-…
https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/cpu/intel-socket-1700/99…
$399
i have a 13600k, whats the issues it has?