Big savings on the Citroen C4 Shine now $37,990 drive away (-$10,376) & Citroen C5 X Shine $45,990 drive away (-$17,152). This is up to 27% off the previous price. While stocks last.
Price changes for each individual state can be found here:
https://thebeep.com.au/price-tracker/state/VIC?state=VIC&mak…
@R4: Can you please define real Australia for me? Is it just anywhere that's not Sydney and Melbourne (which combined are nearly half of our population). I'm I allowed to call myself Australian if I love in Brisbane? Am I allowed to call myself Australian if I think it's obvious that there is a place for both EVs and fossil-fueled vehicles in this country?
@johnno07: You can be whatever you want to be.
Yes, the real Australia is the Australia outside of Sydney and Melbourne.
Of course there's a place for all fuel types in Australia but read the post I was replying to for my context.
@R4: Perhaps if you just consider Sydney and Melbourne. It's 3 out of 4 if you look at how many people live in major cities as opposed to regional / remote areas.
@keejoonc: He doesn't think about his takes, he just has them.
I'm just glad the "real" Australia isn't just his immediate family and the other people on the compound.
@R4: I live in your definition of "real Australia"
We have one EV and one hybrid. Have never paid less for fuel in my life. That includes the ridiculously low fuel prices during COVID
Have never paid less for fuel in my life.
Let us know how much your actual losses are after you sell your EV. You could be at least 10k loss already (depending on when you bought your car) due to recent price drops on brand new EVs. Add the depreciation factor and it's even more
Let us know … even more
Just your wild guess or do you have any link ? ICE devalues as well such as this case, $10K off before it is even sold, just like EV.
Here is my wild guess: more cheap EV available, more pressure for ICE to drop price, wait till emission standards kick in.
@z28: My proof…. Never seen a brand new Toyota, Honda or nissan drop in price as fast as EVs are currently
@easternculture: Never seen doesn't mean it won't happen. Never seen because there wasn't real competition before. Now we have one (EV) and also an incentive (emission standards). If competitors are providing cheaper alternatives, I can't see how the ICE group can hold out.
Tesla tried to hang on the market until BYD came along, smaller ICE groups tried to match, then there will be time for the larger groups to follow. Chained reaction and the cycle feeds itself.
@z28: The main reason people were buying EVs and still are in some states were the incentives such as no GST or stamp duty, or some extra $$$ incentive to buy an EV. Now that this is gone in some states or phasing out in others, not many people are interested anymore
not many people are interested anymore
So we are back where we started, no one interested so EV had to drop price and will ICE follow ?
@z28: Depends on market factors.
For example if the supply /demand changes for EV due to continuous price drops, ICE manufacturers may need to revisit pricing. However I expect them to drop Max to pre covid prices
OK, I'll take the bait.
Yes, I agree that would be a bit of a challenge, but I think it would be doable. Would I want to do it regularly? Probably not.
The vastness of WA and low population density (and therefore low EV numbers) mean there is limited charging infrastructure at the moment which is probably the biggest stumbling block in being able to reliably achieve that trip in 2 days. And the limited charging infrastructure is mainly along the coastal route which adds another 300km compared to the inland route.
Just for reference, I recently covered 1800km (Gladstone to Canberra) in 2 days in a BYD Seal. I think it would be possible to do at least another 300-400km if I started earlier on day 1 and didn't have to contend with the multi lane parking lots known as the highway from Sunshine Coast to Brisbane Airport and down to Tweed Heads. And then the same through Sydney.
And like Perth to Broome, the more direct inland route was not worth risking due to limited charging infrastructure.
For me, in 2024, EVs are essentially city cars. This is true for all but the smallest countries but especially so in Australia. I can't see this changing before 2030. I will get an EV, but not before then. Rural chargers are often powered by diesel generators, which you'd have to agree is pretty pointless. Charging systems that are fine in small European countries are no good for massive, sparsely populated countries like Australia and Canada. If EVs are viable, like any technology, will find their way to be relevant. The market will respond to demand.
You spelt weeks wrong.
All the whilst they keep on signing into those Paris / Kyoto accords that we cannot achieve.
Exactly. Expectation is going to crash into EV reality in the not too distant future.
Like we have that much influence lol, we are a tiny market. Citroen sold 228 TOTAL cars in 2023 and no more than 69 C4's lol. That isn't even worth the effort, they will probably just leave the country soon and write it off.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/better-luck-next-year-…
USA/EU putting heavy tariffs on Chinese EVs might mean we get Chinese EVs dumped here and real competition and affordable prices. I dont want my taxes going to subsidize companies that are ripping people off, like when they put extra $15k towards home owner grant and houses go up by $15k, it is just funneling money to private companies that we have no real control over anyways with out policy.
I ve read surveys that say somewhere around the 50%of owners Electric cars would not buy another. In the US electric cars sales have tanked. Hertz ceo had to quit after buying thousand of electric cars no that nobody wanted to rent. Just things i've read in auto mags online. i dont wouch for its accuracy but where there's smoke theres fire.
Auto mags that have been pushing anti ev rehtoric for decades and don't use any verified information in their "articles" just repeated unverified BS that suits their AI written clickbait.
24 April 2024: New research conducted by global data and insights company, Pureprofile Limited (ASX: PPL) reveals that 94% of existing Australian EV (electric vehicle) owners would purchase an EV again when it is time to buy a new car.
You'd be hard pressed to find someone who bought an EV that isn't happy with ditching the Bowser forever.
Euro depreciation has entered the chat.
Just looking at them the chinese cars are
Better designed
Better equipped
Worst case scenario same reliability (euro reliability is woefully low)
20-30% cheaper
Apart from the ChINa bad crowd why would anyone by a Citroën.
US is putting tariffs on Chinese brands for pricing too many cars under $30,000. The pricing is just too low. Australia will pretty soon follow with those tariffs like we follow with everything else. So pretty soon you'll probably have to buy these Euros.
I'm actually surprised that the US and Aus havent put sanctions on BYD for "national security" reasons.
Yep
Luckily we dont have a car industry to protect anymore so the lobbyists are MIA. But 100% if we did still have an industry they'd ruin the party immediately.
As it is we're getting shafted on chinesemobiles.
American companies cannot compete so they are raising taxes on Chinese cars. Poor people cannot have nice things. We have no manufacturing here, we DON'T need to add tariffs or tax the Chinese cars more. If it weren't for Chinese cars incoming, we would have reached a point when $50k would buy you a cloth seat Corolla. 2023 is still fresh in my mind when people were listing 3 year old Toyota Camry Hybrids with 100,000km for $60k.
Why would anyone want a GW4C20 when they decide to make the weak point of the entire design the most expensive part
EVs has no resale value
A decade old turd on wheels with the Captiva badge has resale value, I'm sure a very new EV has resale value.
Not when it will cost $20,000 + for new batteries.
The leaf shit box is $10000 for new battery
Proof?
Haven't you seen the price of new batteries? Please buy EVs by all means, we need people to be guinee pigs so we can prove this isn't the right technology moving forward
Are they much more expensive than replacing an engine and transmission outside of warranty?
Probably safer to keep using horses with all the same arguments being used in here.
@Herbse: Engine and transmission can be reconditioned for $2k - $5k, BUT an ICE engine and transmission will go for 300,000 - 500,000 easily with regular oil changes. Average kilometres a car is driven per year is around 25,000km so that's 10 - 20 years before the engine MAY need to be reconditioned. My commodore had done well over 300,000 km and is still running strong. 17 year old car. Replacement batteries on an EV well over $20,000, some people have been quoted $65,000. Batteries than can be damaged by a rock that hits the under side of the car and dints the batteries.
Don't believe me? Look it up
Please tell me where i can pick up a tesla for free?
Let me know champ, ready to pick up another one after saving 3k not paying petrol last year.
Keep saving your money. You're gone need it. Can't wait for electricity prices to sky rocket as well.
lol thanks boomer
Show me any cheap second hand one (other than a Nissan Lead with almost zero remaining range), please. I'm in the market for one for my partner…
Is this the line for the free second hand EVs?
Compared to what? A Citroen?
I shudder at the thought of buying a French car…
My first car was a french car. Peogeot 205 gti, funnest car I have ever driven. Best thing I ever did was sell it. Some of the design "quirks" were just mind boggling.
Basic maintenance items were beyond complicated. Want to change the clutch? Need to remove air con piping and regass it. Alternator replacement? The radiator needs to come out. Insane
Awesome little hot hatch for a 1st car! Remember couple mates had them, but insurance was crazy.
Yeah, was a hoot. Metallic blue paint with red carpets and black leather seats. Loved the car. Hated the little issues.
Awesome! I have what I consider it's spiritual successor - a Clio 182.
Honestly they're pretty robust. Or as I say all the important stuff is. Might get a few electrical gremlins over the journey but unlike a modern car they don't stop the car working usually…
I did test drive one a few years back. Was pleasantly surprised with how punchy the engine was. Did have similar vibes. Go kart.
It will surrender on you
Hmm I don’t see any details of the offer on the C4, is there a direct link on this?
yeha the whole layout of their website sucks
to get a pdf spec sheet you need to submit your email lol
i had to surf redbook to work out what they are selling
the C4 is an fwd subcompact like a CHR - also with a crummy 1.2 turbo three = how they ever expected to sell this shit for $47k boggles my mind
the C5X is a quasi lux full size compact fwd SUV with a turbo 1.6 - ok i guess but what a risk for $45k let alone almost $65k!!!
who is buying this shit?
full on well 'regarded' transport
Got 2 Citroen before. Moved to Kia this year. The French design is always interesting and exciting. Then the reliability of the car is just not there… The sensors are sensitive, parts are expensive, sometime have to wait for months to get it from France. My relationship with French car is not gonna happen anytime soon.
The old school Citroen designs were gorgeous - some of the most beautiful mass produced cars aver made.
What's a Citroen?
It's a cross between a lemon, orange and a tangerine.
Either way, it sounds like something that doesn't belong in Australia.
if it had another "E" it'd be an anagram of erection
Citroene
Merdi
Save $17k
Lose $30k instantly on deprecation
You’d spent that discount on painkillers :D
Petrol C5X $46K; Plug in Hybrid $80K. You know how to mark up what people looking to go electric, yet maintain ability to take a long trip without l-o-n-g recharge stops are looking to buy!
C4? Like the plastic explosive?
I bought a new Citroen once. It was the worst financial decision I've made.
Never liked the Renault Nissan Mitsubishi Alliance
They're not built like they once were
???
You don't know?
Please embarrass me with the awkward truth.
Same here but only because it destroyed Nissan, the other two makers I don’t care about.
Nissan used to make great cars up until the early 2000s then all their mainstream stuff became Euro influenced garbage made worse by their Jatco CVTs.
I bought a company demo top of the range car 10 years ago made by the Renault/Nissan alliance with moon roof, sunroof, leather, powered memory seats, heat/massaging seat function, plus rare niceties like side and rear windows blinds. Still going well 10 years later except the massage function no longer working (I don't think any massaging chair last that long even in your lounge). Servicing cost on par with Japanese cars. Would I buy again? Yes if the features and deals are right. Citroen C5X looks great at that price.
No way I just bought one yesterday 😭
get refund
Weren't they clearing out base model Mazda CX5's for around 37990 for this month? Surely that be a better purchase if you needed a new car and wanted a petrol? Dad has a Sh!troen as he loves the hydraulic suspension ride but running the older model diesel that will pull the berlin wall down and is bullet proof for a euro car anyway, but to be fair, he lives there where they can get spares!
eww
Can someone tell me whats wrong with this car? It looks great and has heaps of inclusions…
There’s nothing wrong with it. They are great cars and reliable these days. Great design, loaded with features and fun to drive. People who claim modern French cars are unreliable have NFI what they are talking about. They use Aisin transmissions the same as Toyota use, Bosch electrics, and the 1.6THP is a good reliable engine these days providing you use the correct oil and change it every 12 months.
The market has spoken, there is a reason these Citroen’s stay in the yard for two years and don’t sell for $45k, while Toyota RAV4s are constantly out of stock at that price and higher.
There is nothing specifically wrong with it. The problem is you don’t really know what you’re getting as the brand has been passed around a few times and didn’t even have a stellar reputation to begin with. We’re not talking MG levels of trashbox but there are unknowns. The main people buying these in the last decade or two just wanted something “different” and maybe with some French or Euro flair. For the most part there is no brand value.
Both Citreon models should be $19990 drive away …no more to pay
Ill buy one for the team at that price
Hope you are not a masochist.
…no more to pay
Impossible…
Will this have worse depreciation than a Tesla?
Do they have bad depreciation?
A Citroen will have bad depreciation, even at that good price.
I think that is September 2023. But your point stands, it is still very few! Outsold by Maserati and Lamborghini 🤯
Correct you are. Always double check ChatGPT answers.
Not bad actually, considering the last Citroën sold in the US was in 1974.
Bought one early this month, extremely happy, very comfortable and economical, Drive one yourself and don’t be influenced by the naysayers.
A 7 day owner review….. even MG owners will rave about theirs
Username checks out
Le Shite.
A warning to buyers that ive spoken with a guy that owned a citroen and their big issue was the costly repairs because of european only parts.
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