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[NSW, QLD, VIC] 1/8 Cow (25kg) $299 Delivered, Whole Lamb $250, Whole Goat $150 + Shipping/Free Pickup @ Farmer to Fridge

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[NSW, QLD, VIC] 1/8 Cow (25kg) $299 Delivered, Whole Lamb $250, Whole Goat $150 + Shipping/Free Pickup @ Farmer to Fridge
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LChaser on 30/06/2024 - 22:12 halfacow.farm (5668 clicks)
Last edited 02/07/2024 - 10:01 by 2 other users

Buy wholesale, save money, support the farmer
I have linked the main page, as different states will have different farms, but prices are similar

1/8th Cow $299 Grassfed Free shipping except WA $50
https://halfacow.farm/product/1-8-1-4-two-creeks-premium-angus-beef-sustainably-produced-pasture-raised-delivered-to-your-door-nsw/ Expired

1/8th Cow $299 Grassfed Free shipping NSW
https://halfacow.farm/product/120-day-grain-feed-or-grass-fe…

Goat Halal $150+$25 delivery($10 Delivery 2 Goats) or free pickup
https://halfacow.farm/product/whole-rangeland-goat-halal-sla…
Whole Lamb Grass fed $250 $35 Delivery or Free delivery with 2 Lambs
https://halfacow.farm/product/buy-now-grass-fed-and-grass-fi…

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    • DrScavenger on 01/07/2024 - 02:44
      +4

      How did you know they were crying?

      • PhilToinby on 01/07/2024 - 07:20
        +10

        They had just read this post

      • coffeeinmyveins on 01/07/2024 - 10:21
        +3

        They watch too many cartoons that attribute human emotions on a 1:1 relationship with animals

    • ConsumerAffairs on 01/07/2024 - 11:28
      +2

      Sounds like they were going for the ride of their lives

  • hishaken on 30/06/2024 - 23:48
    +2

    Great service! Thank you.
    Would like to support famers but just curious I can get rump stk at around 11/kg. Any advantage of ordering 1/8 cow which come down to price of $12/kg anyway?

    • kaleidoscope on 01/07/2024 - 00:28
      +6

      1/8 cow isn’t all rump steak…

      • team teri on 01/07/2024 - 01:16
        +11

        Yep, lots of bones and less desirable cuts. $12 rump sounds like a much better deal.

        • kaleidoscope on 01/07/2024 - 09:28
          +3

          What i’m telling is, it’s all a mixed set of everything. If you add all those individually from a butcher shop it’ll cost more. But if you’re only after a specific cut this ain’t for you.

    • ferguson on 01/07/2024 - 06:33
      +4

      Where are you getting $11 rump steak?

      • Jessie Ryder on 01/07/2024 - 07:42
        +5

        They are not, that's why no follow up post

        • hishaken on 01/07/2024 - 09:16

          AIga had special sale of rump stk couple of times this years. Occasionally Scott fillets as well.

      • Qwertyjnr on 01/07/2024 - 08:18
        +2

        IGA often has while rumps I'm sale $10.99kg.

        • hishaken on 01/07/2024 - 09:14

          Correct.i got from iga a few times this year

    • AssociatedFarmerToFridge @ Farmer to Fridge on 01/07/2024 - 15:42

      Hi, many independent customers have done the analysis and found that they save money doing it this way. We have a public group where you can see photos and ask questions https://www.facebook.com/groups/farmertofridgewinmeat/

      At the end of the day, if you just like ONE cut of meat, well this probably isn't the best way for you to buy, but it does help the farmers sell more and from the feedback we see, people rate the meat very highly.

  • mrgeckoz on 01/07/2024 - 00:53

    Great deal.
    Wish I had a stand alone freezer.

    • ferguson on 01/07/2024 - 06:34
      +2

      Everything I have is stand alone.

      It would be nice to have company.

      • jedimaster on 01/07/2024 - 22:49

        you can register one with ASIC

  • beach bum on 01/07/2024 - 00:55

    This is a great idea for the masses .
    Used to get a yearling steer butchered on the farm and 1/2 a beast would fill the freezer .

  • heatseeker424 on 01/07/2024 - 00:57
    +1

    Great price for goat.

  • lonewolf on 01/07/2024 - 01:02
    +3

    I have used these guys a few times before. At the end of the day it comes down to the farm. Some have much better customer support than others. Saying that. I think these are the standard prices and not on special?

    • AssociatedFarmerToFridge @ Farmer to Fridge on 01/07/2024 - 15:43

      The shipping is free. :) Prices bop around a bit depending on demand

  • XCOOKIEMONSTAX on 01/07/2024 - 01:14

    What kg does the whole lamb work out to?

    • Lord Ra on 01/07/2024 - 02:28
      +1

      Would like to know this for a goat as well.

      Edit: "A whole Rangeland goat which is about 13-17kilos of meat depending on the size of the animal. We’ll try to keep things fair with smaller orders getting a ‘top up” with extra meat from another goat.
      Cuts of meat will come bone in and are great for curry and other slow cooking dishes. "

      • ferguson on 01/07/2024 - 06:36
        +7

        "C'mon Clint, this one is undersize, throw a couple of goat balls in."

  • prankster on 01/07/2024 - 02:51

    I should send this to my lebbo neighbours, they normally gave sone truck deliver loads of meat and they have a full industrial hectic refrigerator in the backyard 😳

  • Embaloo on 01/07/2024 - 06:31

    Any recommendations for a whole lamb for a spit? What are good prices?

  • askvictor on 01/07/2024 - 06:48
    +2

    Which 1/8th?

    • syba on 01/07/2024 - 13:32

      Is a whole cow and then evenly divided up into 1/8. You just don't get a particular section of cow…

    • AssociatedFarmerToFridge @ Farmer to Fridge on 01/07/2024 - 15:43

      I can't post pics here, but it's a "mixed 1/8th" so a bit from every part of the cow.

    • kaleidoscope on 01/07/2024 - 16:49
      +4

      it is written on cow's will

  • eman resu on 01/07/2024 - 07:03
    +2

    Shipping Or Delivery Options *
    Please allow approximaltely 4 to 6 weeks from ordering to delivery

    but im hungry this month dude

  • Tleyx on 01/07/2024 - 07:06
    +1

    Is it really a cow? Beef is usually steers not cows

  • xtommyk on 01/07/2024 - 07:10
    -7

    Wow a whole animal valued at $150 thats pretty sad/grim
    Can we buy one alive and keep it in our backyard?

    • bemybubble on 01/07/2024 - 07:36
      +6

      Wrong forum

      • abowen on 01/07/2024 - 09:29
        +2

        It could be the right forum if he finds a great deal though

    • spy on 01/07/2024 - 08:25

      I feel for the chicken now. Oh wait I just ate it. Next.

    • SwarleyAUS on 01/07/2024 - 08:41

      What and eat one leg at a time?

      But srsly you can/could buy goats for $40 on fb

      • Alley Cat on 01/07/2024 - 14:58

        But how much are you willing to pay to have it killed and chopped up?

      • BoltThrower on 08/07/2024 - 06:42
        -1

        Do it. You could even have it killed humanely, instantaneously with western or Kosher methods, rather than slowly bled out alive.

  • I like freestuff on 01/07/2024 - 07:45
    +4

    The old advertise prices on “dressed weight” scam. One farm has a “full side” for $1,937 with a portion weight of 155kg “only $12.50/kg”. However under the “what will my portion sizes be” it has a tally of 79kg. Goes from $12.5/kg to nearly $25/kg.

    • JakeyJooJoo on 01/07/2024 - 08:55
      +6

      Looking at a beef deal that's decent value, it seems like the total weight includes bones (which you get…yay)

      Advertised:
      Total Price: $299
      $11.96 / KG
      Max Portion Weight: 25kg

      When you go into the details, the sum is 20KG in meat cuts with 5kg of 'discarded bones'.
      Total price for actual meat: $15kg.

      https://halfacow.farm/product/120-day-grain-feed-or-grass-fe…

      • SpendLess on 01/07/2024 - 12:23

        at one of the farms you get an option to keep the bones as well. Makes great stock for Pho!

        • Bdawg on 03/07/2024 - 16:26

          Good to give the doggos.

    • kaleidoscope on 01/07/2024 - 10:30
      +1

      How is that a scam? Or do you only purchase ultra processed foods that just go by the weight or volume

      I guess eggs industry is scamming us too by charging us for shells
      Or the fresh food markets that sells vegetables and fruits with stems / seeds/ peels
      Or at the fish monger selling fish with bones / scales … etc 🧐

    • AssociatedFarmerToFridge @ Farmer to Fridge on 01/07/2024 - 15:45

      Hi,

      We give an estimated boxed weight too. I'm not sure where you're seeing "what will my portion size be" but we do have sone general advice for the 'most common' sized cows.

      If you're buying a larger size / cow, then you're boxed weight is going to be much higher, and therefore a lower price per kg than what is listed in the guide.

  • easternculture on 01/07/2024 - 07:58

    What's the approx weight of the goat

    • bemybubble on 01/07/2024 - 08:02
      +2

      You'll find your answer here

      • HolyCr4p on 01/07/2024 - 08:07

        That is old goat . I prefer young 🐐

  • HolyCr4p on 01/07/2024 - 08:09

    whole lamb 250

    Can i order male and female alive lamb so i can breed them

    • easternculture on 01/07/2024 - 08:37

      Username checks out

    • badmonkeh on 01/07/2024 - 08:45

      I hate to give you some news about farming, but they don’t tend to keep many of the boys

    • pwnd on 01/07/2024 - 09:28
      +2

      No, but there is nothing stopping you from taking a duck home from the local park.

  • saddybedangdang on 01/07/2024 - 08:26
    +6

    I purchased the grass fed beef option a few weeks ago, there's a few options for how they package it and we opt'd for packaging for two. It was delivered in "chilltainers" and each cut of meat was vacuum sealed.

    I've only had 1 cut so far but it was fantastic. There's a variety of cuts, anywhere from 1.3kg of t-bone to brisket to more economical cuts like oyster blade as well as a bag of bones.

    This was a tester for my family so I'm hoping I sold them on half a cow next time!

    • mapax on 01/07/2024 - 08:57

      How come you haven’t pozzed the deal if it was fantastic?

      • lonewolf on 01/07/2024 - 14:12
        +4

        Because it was standard pricing, not on special. Thats why i never posted this place, they didnt have a special price as such and usually the farms are pricier than colesworth but usually better quality. I prefer always buying from farms and have been doing so for around 15 years now.

        So its a tricky thing, I always thought you dont post just standard price or higher priced, but only if the item is on special / sale and even then if its a really good special or sale / bargain.

    • Corgsta on 01/07/2024 - 09:45
      +3

      Thanks for sharing your review. Actually useful to know unlike most of the comments I’ve had to scroll through thus far.

      • barg99 on 02/07/2024 - 08:40

        Welcome to ozbargain where 90% of the subscribers think they're seinfeld… Need an option to mark as clown post and filter with that.

    • AssociatedFarmerToFridge @ Farmer to Fridge on 01/07/2024 - 15:46
      +1

      Thanks for the feedback. Glad you liked it!

  • Tanzere on 01/07/2024 - 08:53
    +4

    We bought the tester box a few weeks ago - its important to remember you will not be getting an instant delivery - farmers have to schedule and match up the orders so it can take a few weeks to arrive, but the beef we got has been awesome. We are currently looking for a large freezer so we can make a 1/8th purchase and try all the options.

  • branners on 01/07/2024 - 09:00

    I saw Colin Hay in concert last night. According to him, goats appear and fade away…

  • abowen on 01/07/2024 - 09:34
    +14

    I want to support this sort of operation, because I hate what Woolies & Coles do to farmers

    Our first experience through Our Cow was slightly underwhelming

    • 50% of the meat was good/above Woolies standards, the rest below that
    • Way too much packaging/plastic for what actually seemed needed
    • It was more expensive than local butcher

    If 75% of the meat was better than supermarket, or it was cheaper than butcher, I might have gone again

    Anyway, giving an 1/8th a go from Two Creeks

    • onceupon8 on 01/07/2024 - 10:07
      +3

      It's great that you gave it a go. Buying direct from the farmer isn't always cheaper, but it's supporting the farmer, and can be better quality. But it is dependant on the farm and the butcher. There are a lot of breeds of cows & sheep and there is a big difference in animals that have been well finished or not. Quality meat breeds of animals (eg Angus or Hereford steers, or Composite terminal cross lambs) that are well finished to the correct weight will taste a lot better than dairy or merino breeds or animals that haven't been finished well to the correct weight. So it pay's to research the farm that you are buying from. Make sure you check which breeds of animals they run.

      • abowen on 01/07/2024 - 12:54
        +1

        Thank you. Yes a lot of detail gets lost on it's way to the supermarket, which is unfortunate.

    • lovesdrpepper on 01/07/2024 - 10:29
      +2

      I've just put a second order through with Two Creeks.

      First order was the 5kg box of Cattleman Cutlets, separated into 5x1kg vacuum sealed bags.

      Worked out to be cheaper than the local butchers, but more expensive than the local meat wholesalers. Even though more expensive, the quality was better.

      Sous vide and finished over charcoal… Yum!

      • abowen on 01/07/2024 - 12:55

        Damn, I'll consider that next time. Ribeye cuts are my favourite by far.

        And its annoying when stores vacuum seal them but you can't sous vide it, because there's also random shit in packaging

    • Corgsta on 01/07/2024 - 12:30

      Yeah same about supporting these guys. I haven’t tried them yet though.

      Thanks for your thoughts on the meat, good to know.

      I have had a box from a friend who has a beef farm, and yeah the steaks were a bit tough. But the mince and sausages were next level Awesome. It really depends and i think you get hits and misses, that’s the nature of it. It’s like buying fruit that’s slightly browned and spotted, it’s just natural variation and we can’t always have perfect food.

      There’s a real movement too buy farm direct at the moment and it’s really good for both farmers and consumers.

      A place called Dads Oats grow and roll really nice oats straight from the farm here in Vic. You can even buy unrolled oats and a roller to do it yourself. I have a friend who does that and claims it is amazing.

      • abowen on 01/07/2024 - 12:57
        +1

        Excellent, didn't know about the oats category

        I'll speak to my partner and see what other food categories we can order direct

        Spending a few extra dollars supporting the producers instead of he middlemen is something we can afford in our budget thankfully

        • Alley Cat on 01/07/2024 - 15:16

          Fb marketplaces is your friend. I make fortnight trips to a farmer to pick up fresh produce for me and neighbours. The bananas lasts longer and has very little skin. It’s not a short drive but you get to meet the farmer and ask questions about pesticides, what’s in season, etc.

    • AssociatedFarmerToFridge @ Farmer to Fridge on 01/07/2024 - 15:49
      +2

      Hi Abowen,

      Thanks for taking a chance on our farmers.

      We have been running about 2 years now, and the feedback we get is very good.

      We also have a public facing group for people to share photos and give suggestions.

      I can be contacted at [email protected] directly.

      • James (founder)

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/farmertofridgewinmeat/

  • yojabbajabba on 01/07/2024 - 10:16

    Thanks OP. Got a box scheduled for delivery in VIC.

  • freedomofspeech on 01/07/2024 - 10:19
    +2

    We need to go back to buying a share of meat directly from the farmers.
    Screw Woolies and Coles ripping us off and poor quality meat

  • freefall101 on 01/07/2024 - 10:45
    +1

    Bit confused on the size, it says

    Pack Contents (for 1/8th) – Approx 18kg beef + bones.

    then it's a 25kg pack? The bones are 4kg so it's not that.

    • Aussiecash on 01/07/2024 - 10:58

      There’s almost 6kg of dog bones included in the 25kg

  • Gdsamp on 01/07/2024 - 11:24

    Bullish signal

  • thrillho on 01/07/2024 - 13:51

    Stuff it, bought the 1/8th for delivery in Vic. Will see how it goes!

  • lonewolf on 01/07/2024 - 14:20
    +1

    As others have mentioned, There are a lot of difference in farms and types of animals etc. And as i mentioned earlier, The customer support varies greatly. One place i ordered from, even though they advertised you can specify certain cuts / options, i did all that and none of it got replied to or adhered to, also I had asked for a delayed delivery and never got responded to. I even contacted the person who runs the website and he contacted them back, they never got back to him as far as i know but he did tell me they will at least adhere to the delivery request.

    Anyway i never heard back at all but suddenly got a message saying the meat is scheduled to be delivered in a few days . It arrived in just the default cuts and none of the options which i had specified had been adhered to but i was just glad it arrived after waiting a couple of months with no response.

    But other farms i have ordered from , responded to me and took down notes on delivery preferences and also the options / cuts i wanted and were great to deal with. So it really comes down to the farm.

    The owner of the website also told me, the first farm i mentioned was overloaded with orders from the website so probably thats why they never got back to people but they did fulfill the orders.

    Just remember they usually need to wait till a certain amount of orders have been placed before they can start processing the orders and organising the animals etc. So i think it is usually around 6 weeks or so turnaround period, incase people are thinking the meat will be delivered in a few days. But some farms who have their won facilities can turn around quicker and others can be slower.

    • findingbargains on 01/07/2024 - 15:00

      Thanks for the insights. It would be valuable if people started sharing their experiences with specific farms: not to name and shame, but to provide options for people and de-risk their decisions. In other words, some people do not have specific requirements and do not need the ability to specify options, while others are prepared to wait longer, yet others may lean towards more personalised and faster service. Therefore different farms will meet different needs. Information sharing is the whole point of a community such as this.

      • lonewolf on 01/07/2024 - 15:13
        +1

        I didnt really want to name the farm i had issues with as i think the guy got cleaned up with all the orders coming through, he wasnt prepared for it and probably not used to doing it via this as he is used to running a farm and not individual retail orders.

        So the fact that this has been posted on ozbargain also means its quite possible some of these farms may get inundated with orders and may not be equipped or prepared to deal with so many as they may not have expected it. So perhaps be prepared if there are delays.

        My issue i guess was that, its not i wanted extra options or cuts but that the item was advertised with multiple options of cuts / different combinations of cuts and specified that the farm will let you opick between the different options but then due to the sheer no. of orders, the farm didnt seem to do that and stuck to the default combination. Or possibly the guy got overwhelmed and so didnt look at the online part where it had the options / combinations that people were asked to select.

        I will send a positive recommendation for Ullamalla Lamb and Beef. I have used them and they are great and good customer service and response.

      • Corgsta on 01/07/2024 - 16:52
        +1

        We should start a forum thread about this? I’d be interested to know feedback on suppliers.

    • AssociatedFarmerToFridge @ Farmer to Fridge on 01/07/2024 - 15:51
      +2

      Hi!

      Thanks for the feedback and info.

      I do try to get back to everybody but sometimes things get missed.

      We have spend a LOT on a new order management system and hopefully once this is live will bring a bit of order to the chaos.

      I am sorry the farm didn't follow their cut sheet.

      Current order timeframes are down to about 3 weeks with the major farms who have 'constant" orders.

      James (Foudner)

      • lonewolf on 01/07/2024 - 16:49
        +1

        Hi James , sorry I didn't mean to imply it was you who didn't get back to me. You did get back to me and you were prompt in your replies..it was only one of the farms that never got back to me. But you did tell me they were inundated with orders.

  • z00m on 01/07/2024 - 16:15
    +1

    Whats the usual rrp?

  • pharkurnell on 01/07/2024 - 16:46

    Google for on farm butchers… been using them for years… many deliver as well

  • Ghost47 on 01/07/2024 - 16:50

    Any deals for 3/5 of a cow?

  • Mr Bob Dobalina on 01/07/2024 - 17:13
    -1

    1/8th of a cow is only 25kg? Pretty sure cows weigh more than 200kg.

  • jee on 01/07/2024 - 18:06
    +2

    Do you have any halal options?

  • deejaygrub on 01/07/2024 - 22:46
    -4

    Why grow all the crops to feed to animals that don't want to die just for our taste pleasure. So inefficient, unnecessary and cruel. Red meat is classified as a type 2 carcinogen. Won't be long till there will be warnings like on cigarette packets. We don't need to do this. Don't let these giant powerful meat and dairy industries fool you.

    • ghee on 03/07/2024 - 08:07
      +2

      Vegan ideologues aren't unpredictable. Meat abolitionist documentaries (ahem propaganda) can also be tied to giant powerful industrial lobbies too. Like the producers of Cowspiracy and their mammoth investments. Funny how all the athletes who acted in Cowspiracy who apparently had massive improvements to their snag size and power all inevitably reverted to an omnivorous diet, because they all started underperforming. I prefer to base my diet optimisation on reality, not emotionally manipulative propaganda pieces that cause people to regurgitate the brain wash. It is possible to love and care for animals, and eat them too, without all the awful abusive stuff. It's the cycle of life Simba.

      Of course there are bad meat industry practices out there, particularly in the US CAFO lots etc. We can simply vote for better systems by not buying from bad systems. Then the abolitionists can't do their number one show trick and point to the worst case scenario of animal farming and try to equate that with consuming any meat. These vegan films are so loaded with fallacies. Unfortunately a lot of people can't see right through them. The amount of people I MEAT, every other day, who tell me they are currently eating carnivore, I smile "recovering vegan?" they look bewildered like I just read their mind… humble response… "yeah". So if veganism is creating carnivores, does it really help to become a polar food fascist based on fallacious emotional arguments? The human brain evolved into what it is because of animal foods. It also can and does devolve in the absence of those nutrients, becoming more basal and emotionally reactive/unhinged fight/flight vegan/rage.

      Animal food is complicated and expensive to produce. We produce it because it is highly nutritious and makes us thrive. Plant foods are cheap and easy to produce en masse. If you were a slimy financial goon, which would you prefer to sell? Perhaps produce cheap and easy BARGAIN… then sell for high prices? That's a great idea think of the margins. Let's make some propaganda films to boot… and get these dummies tapped into our ultra profitable subsidy based monoculture, which… juxtaposed with small scale regenerative farming sits ethically where exactly?

      Vegans hate talking about the work of Allan Savory and regenerative farming. Or dental health. Or reproductive health.

      Have abolitionist vegans ever considered that if we stop farming all animals, many of them would become extinct? Then in a dystopian future we could produce emotionally confronting documentaries in the future about how lovely cows were, until vegan lobbyists forced their extinction. We could watch it in one of the new hyper ventilated cinemas that needed to be built to help abate the widespread human gas production that came about due to switching to a diet overloaded with pulses. Okay I'll shut up now :D

      • findingbargains on 03/07/2024 - 08:25
        +1

        Hear, hear.

      • deejaygrub on 03/07/2024 - 15:57
        -1

        I think you are confusing Cowspiracy and the Game Changers. There were no athletes in Cowspiracy, and I don't see any evidence of the athletes in the Game Changers changing their diet. Patrik Baboumian who is one of the strongest humans on the planet is still very much vegan. None of the claims that these documentaries made have been debunked. In fact since they have been made, there have been more studies showing that the optimal human diet is a whole foods plant based diet. This is both for performance and longevity. There is nothing in meat that cannot be easily obtained from plants. It is not difficult to easily obtain all the nutrients you need to survive and thrive without causing unnecessary suffering to sentient beings.

        I don't believe it is possible to love animals and kill them for your taste pleasure. If it's not necessary, then by definition it is cruel. It's not a cycle of life, this is a cycle of death and suffering for billions of animals every year.

        I'm sure there are many anecdotes of people trying a plant based diet and then switch back to animal based, I'm not sure what this proves.

        Vegans are not abolitionists, they are simply refraining from causing unnecessary suffering to non-human animals. If you can be healthy without causing suffering, why would you not consider it? Allan Savory and those spouting the whole regenerative farming nonsense is pure greenwashing. And I have no idea what you are talking about dental or reproductive health. The largest body of dietitians the BDA and many others have for a long time stated that a plant based diet is healthy for people of all stages of life including infancy and pregnancy.

        Animal food is currently very expensive to produce and is heavily subsidised. It is unsustainable. It is stressful on the farmers and on the slaughterhouse workers and without these heavy subsidies and government intervention along with reduced demand as more people move away from meat consumption will collapse.

        The world will not go vegan overnight, it will take time. But I believe it will happen, and in many years from now we will look at how we treated animals in a similar way to how we look at slavery. We will slowly stop breading these animals into existence. The modern day broiler chicken is a Frankenstein abomination that is unable to support it's own life past a few weeks. Their short life is pure torture from the day they are born. We do not need to be bringing these animals into existence purely for our taste pleasure when we don't need to. These are not natural animals, they are sick creations selectively bread purely for our consumption.

        The world is very slowly improving. Violet crime is decreasing as we become more civilised. Technology is improving our lives and we are not able to live longer and healthier lives. We are also becoming more compassionate and I believe more people are extending that compassion to non-human animals. If you are eating meat just for your taste pleasure, consider the cost to those who have no voice, but pay a huge price for your pleasure.

        • ghee on 05/07/2024 - 10:33
          +1

          Correct I did mean the Game Changers thank you. However regarding Cowspiracy I have personally been in contact with the film producers and we had a warm dialogue until I asked for the data to support the "facts" they were claiming about water "wastage" etc, as they couldn't provide any. Would you disagree with the fact that the producers of these films are, by definition, abolitionist vegans, as their emotionally based ideology is the foundation of producing those films, and their core mission is to get others to adopt their views. Modern missionaries. When an ideology forms the basis of production, science goes out the window. Same goes for studies. When trying to draw a conclusion from the start, you will inevitably cherry pick data and ignore contradictory data. This is why "97% of scientists agree" with whoever is funding them.

          I have heard all of these unexceptional arguments a million times, because none of them are original or require original thought. It is a case of emotional/idealogically rooted intransigence, caused by naivety to propaganda. Forgive me I am not trying to be rude or belittling. I too absolutely love animals and have been rocked by shock footage and PETA videos. This is where clear thinking comes in. The propaganda will have you believe that if someone eats ANY animal foods then they are directly contributing to all of these animal torture horrendous things and worst case scenarios. The manipulated mind will then consistently draw this false equation (as you have repeatedly, ignoring me pointing out the difference) attributing animal suffering to ANY animal product consumption. Do you really think meat from a small local regenerative farm is the same as those horrible mega industrial practices overseas?

          Your response regarding Allan Savory is as expected, hence my original statement. I personally know regenerative farmers and their families in Australia, Europe and the US and have visited on some of these farms. I would completely disagree with you calling it nonsense and greenwashing. Greenwashing is generally using the buzz word "sustainable" i.e. keeping things the same, while regenerative is making things better. This can be evidenced by the simple technique of herd rotation. Cows/buffalo are rotated on land that has been destroyed by monoculture, where the top soil has been damaged to the point that the land is ruined (from plant crop monoculture), that nothing will grow on it, that the damaged land has no ability to absorb water/plants/sequest. When the animals are rotated in this way, their hoofs create pockets for water to penetrate the brittle top soil, their faeces circulate microbes etc. The top soil regains it's health, diversity, becomes deeper - it actually rebuilds top soil that can then absorb water/plants. i.e. the damaged land gets repaired. This has and is being done all over the world. I have seen it firsthand. Mini deserts turned into lush pasture. Carbon cycle restored. This is understandably hard to swallow because it contradicts vegan ideology that animal husbandry is EVIL, hence the instantaneous rejection by the intransigent.

          The whole taste pleasure statements… It's a weak shot at trying to utilise guilt and shame to purport some moral differential. Do you really believe there is nothing in animal foods that cannot be easily obtained from plants? How about Vit A, B12, Carnitine, Carnosine, Creatine, D3, DHA, EPA, Heme Iron, Taurine, K2 to name a few that are abundant in animal foods and not in plants. These particular nutrients make humans thrive. Yes these "taste pleasure" seekers might not just be doing it for taste pleasure for thousands of years, have omnivorous teeth and an omnivorous short digestive tract.

          What do you think of people that feed their dogs a vegan diet? Stinky breath, rotten teeth, go blind early. That is serious animal abuse.

          Vegan parents who refuse to give their infants human/animal milk and give them soy milk. Baby dies from starvation. Parents go to jail.

          From observing nature, animals have the type of teeth that support their diet. Variation in human teeth I would say is the biggest marker. It's simple. Less canine - more likely can be successfully vegan/vegetarian. More canine - likely needs meat.

          What did your grandparents eat? Why would they be the healthiest longest living generation, better then our parents and us?

          Have you discovered any human groups in history that have thrived on a vegan diet? No they haven't existed. And the claims that they did exist have been entirely debunked.

          I suppose regarding dental and reproductive health, hormones etc. This can be proven in time, or with an open mind in a prophylactic way. Take emotional turmoil/reactivity as an early indicator.

          In any discussion I've had in the past like this, vegans usually point to some "authority" on nutrition to bolster their views. These are the same agencies that promote low-fat, eggs are bad, meat is bad, you should mostly eat grain fodder and legumes, don't get sun on your skin unless you're covered head to toe in sun screen so that you can't produce the hormones required to be disagreeable or have a functional immune system, our sponsors make their highest profits from plants so that's what you should eat. Given that those that adhere to these agencies recommendations tend to be of poor health as evidenced by populations in all western countries… I think I'll take my information from somewhere else thank you.

          Violence decreasing. Yes Gaza and Ukraine are good examples of this. I was in London a couple of months ago and the knife crime was as nice as the weather.

          Technology improving lives. Yes global depression rates, suicide, cross eyed short sightedness and the younger generations barely able to converse or socialise, the normalisation of autism, "turbo" cancer, sudden deaths, early cardiac failure are good examples. Andropause etc. It's a shame that our parents and grandparents couldn't have enjoyed the benefits of social media and MRNA gifts. Oh wait they didn't have any of those problems. But new tech and fake meat is making things better?

          Please don't take any of this as some personal attack, even though I can admittedly be a bit of a hard ass, I'd say we both love animals and if we were in the same place would smile and shake each others hands as we can both agree that broiler cage chickens and the likes are an abomination that neither of us support and would like to see and end to, amongst many perpetrations on our animal friends. I think it's good to debate ideas and contentious things, respectfully of course, in pursuit of the truth. Society has been riddled with lies from the top down for thousands of years. Copernicus is still correct, despite the institutional authorities. Yes that is still happening today.

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