Time to upgrade your rig with the current Gaming CPU king.
At this price the combo is a no brainer….Even with Zen 5 around the corner, sub-$700 for a 7800X3D mobo combo at this price/performance ratio will be very hard to beat.
If you'll notice, the MSI PRO B650M-A is actually a top performing board in this test that was let down as a whole by the long boot times.
MSI have since updated the bios with their "Memory Context Restore” option that effectively cuts boot times in half and solves this issue.
In a more recent review from the same channel, it's actually one of his recommendations at the end of the video.
Thanks for sharing the video will go with the asrock riptide board atx paired with 7800x3d will be buying soon
Bravo, Wow bargain, Bravo
Good deal if you need your PC now!
I'm gonna HODL…
Waiting for the 9950x3D and X870E
Wish list for the next gen
X3Dchips on both ccds
A much higher clocked X3D chips closer to the nonX3D version or even overclockable
Higher DDR memory speed on the X870E and Infinity fabric speed
when can we expect that though may be needing a pc very soon
end of Q3 / Q4
Realisticlly how much can the 7800x3d go down to when they are released and factor is it worth waiting for q3/4 for that for a small dip in price?
@OneSilver: probably 150-200 dollars, or you can buy the new stuff for the same current price for an extra ~20%+ performance
@CrazyTachikoma: I think there’s no better chip that’s coming out that’s better than the 7800x3d for gaming
@OneSilver: Not in the first wave of release in July, thats just the normal versions which wont beat 7800x3d in gaming.
But 9000 X3D series for sure is coming this year, most likely they will release with X870E at the same time, roughly end of September.
@smartadam: Do u think worth waiting for 9x3d series wonder the prices differences to performance may just buy the 7800x3d paired with Asrock b650e
@OneSilver: Too early to tell, hence why i said holding till they come out if you dont need your computers now.
Rumor says due to improved architecture and 4nm chiplet design, Zen5 x3d versions have much better thermals so chances of x3d version have high clock speed that will match the nonx3d versions.
X870E also rumored to have better memory controllers making higher ddr5 1:1 Infinity fabric speed possible. Be good to have a bump over the current DDR5 6000/6200 "sweet spots"
Both of above points will improve gaming performances, with the costs of higher price.
Agreed - hoping to make the jump from my 5950X to a 9950X3D or similar in the near future!
Isn't the whole point of not having 3D vCache on both CCDs so you can have one CCD being clocked higher? You're not going to be using more than 8 cores for gaming anyway, so may as well have the extra cores clocked higher for the productivity work which is the only reason to get this chip over the 7800x3d
If both CCDs have the extra cache, it would be a killer cloud gaming virtualisation setup when lower-end Blackwell GPUs that use PCIe 5.0 x8 come out.
The chipset from X670/E B650/E / X870/E are all the same one.. they haven't changed the silicon.
There's not much difference between X870/E and X670/E
The better memory support is coming from the CPU itself.. even the 8000 series igpu CPU's have a better memory controller thats why i'm excited about Ryzen 9000 :)
September looks to be around the time for the 9800X3D / 9950x3D and X870E :) announcement / review
If the price is right I'm looking at buying a 9600X if its 4% slower in games vs a AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D I'm fine with that to get the faster "single core" CPU for everything else.
9600x should be fairly cheaper too
Not 100% sure it will be cheaper.. if its anywhere near $299 USD at launch next month that's $452.41 + GST = $497.65AUD
If we are very lucky and it launches at $249USD thats $376.76 + GST = $414.43AUD
Either way in both scenario's the 7800X3D with its 8Core at $514.02 on sale here > https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/851099
or the R5 7600 for $272.22 from the same smarthomestoreau ebay seller are the way better value purchase
price/performance ratio will be very hard to beat.
If you're after value wouldn't you get a 7500F? It's half the price and "only" about 20% slower though in most games you'd likely be bottlenecked by the GPU before the CPU.
You are right - I was comparing it against the new offerings from Zen 5 that will compete with the 7800X3D.
Still happy with my 7700 I got in last deal
is the motherboard mATX or ATX? Looks like mATX to me.
Well it's B650M, so it's mATX.
Title says ATX hence i questioned.
7800x3d seems like it’s $577 at the moment.
So the motherboard is ~$130ish.
Doesn’t seem like a crazy deal to me. More convenient pick…
Can be had for $450 at the aliexpress coupon stacking sales.
Just be aware of the placement of the pci express slot on these boards, they won't fit triple slot cards. 2.5 might be a stretch. Been there.
Is this just in mATX cases where the board aligns with the bottom?
Is this pcie x16 lower than normal?
Good deal. Bought a similar setup recently. For more.
Not really a good deal unless you are comfortable sitting on it for 3-4 years.
7500f+b650 atx is a better combo for now until the 9800x3d lands
I really want to buy new setup but no new games are worth upgrading for at the moment
if this came with an ITX B-type mobo, would grab it without blinking.
Agreed! But not going to happen sadly.
I love itx, but the mobo prices are brutal
i find the harddrive just as expensive - setup is GIGABYTE B650I AORUS Ultra $400 + AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D $410 + Samsung 990 PRO NVMe M.2 SSD, 4TB $500 and i just use this for my retro console gaming up to PS4.
How did you get the 7800X3D for $410?
The 4tb was just on sale for $423.
Whst ram do you have?
@Retarded Lunatic
@Lord Ra: after much negotiation they gave me this package. I feel where i got the cpu cheap i paid more for the HD, its sort of a win lose situation at the time.
opps forgot to reply kingston fury beast ddr5
@Retarded Lunatic: I'm glad you got a good deal. Yes, you win some, you lose some. Hardware has very thin margins I hear.
That RAM is $200. Good balance out at the end of the day.
@Lord Ra: yep i wanted to try it, i mean the c36 is $60 less but higher latency - c36/6000 on special for $170 at the moment also i didnt want LGBQT+ ram to send me into epileptic fits
I'm currently running a MSI MAG z570 tomahawk. It was rated fairly highly a few years ago but personally been having slot of issues with the USB ports in the back and related NIC. I'm staying away from MSI for a while.
I have a MSI MAG B550 tomahawk.
Same issues with the USB… i updated the Bios and installes the latest AMD Chipset drivers.. all the issues went away :) i did that over a year ago.. such an easy fix.
Can you please report back if you choose to update the BIOS and whether it fixes the USB problems if you do. Thanks 🙏
My bios and all chipset drivers are all up to date. USB is still stuffed though.
All the ports just loses connection for about 2 seconds and then reconnects. I don't have anything connected that draws power and happens about 4-5 times an hour. Just webcam/mouse and keyboard and steamdeck.
Have you tried upgrading to windows 11..
Also have you got another keyboard and mouse you can try out for a few days see if it still does it as a test.. nothing plugged in apart from the spare keyboard and mouse.
Any audiophiles know how the AMP DAC or sound quality is like on this motherboard?
I think most/all audiophiles would still choose to run a separate USB DAC. There are relatively cheap/high quality DAC's available. I use the Topping D10s myself which is perfect.
if you want onboard you cant go past the ASRock B650 Steel Legend WiFi - Realtek ALC4082
What about ASROCK B650 Live Mixer?
This is what you want / Better Audio then all the 670E boards even
ASRock B650 Steel Legend WiFi
https://www.centrecom.com.au/asrock-b650-steel-legend-wi-fi-…
Looks awesome for $300. Wait and get a deal on it.
I got the asrock b650 livemixer for $180 so couldn't pass up on that.
I bet a Ryzen 7600 is all you need until zen 6…
My 8 year old GTX 1070 died earlier today (my mobo and CPU (i5 2500k) are 13 years old (Skyrim build) are still working, lol. I did some research and added up the prices for a new PC build that was moderately powered and … Wow 😳. I think it's truly over now. Thanks for the memories 😢
Your upgrading? :) i think 11 years is a long time to use a PC
Mine is 10 years old and still going strong.
I don't have prices, but here are the specs.
CPU: AMD FX-8320, Vishera 32nm Technology
RAM: 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard: Gigabyte 970A-UD3P (CPU 1)
Graphics: 3071MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (ASUStek Computer Inc)
Storage:
55GB OCZ-AGILITY3 (SATA (SSD))
2794GB Seagate ST3000DM001-1CH166 (SATA )
931GB Samsung SSD 850 EVO 1TB (SATA (SSD))
Optical Drives: ASUS DRW-24B1ST i
Audio: NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device (Wave Extensible) (WDM)
WiFi 5 USB Adapter: Dual-Band AC1200 WUSB6300
The 1080ti was an upgrade in 2018.
15 years here!
Replaced the GPU a few times.
i7 950 (1st gen!)
24GB 1600 DDR3
M.2 NVMe in a PCIe Adapter (modded bios to boot from it).
& 1080 Ti. CPU & GPU in custom water cooling loop. This PC has done me well, still runs everything I play pretty well. Except for helldivers 2…. CPU unsupported (no AVX support)…. Saddest I’ve been in a long time!
I’ve waited soooo long… what’s a few more months…
@firedomain: bought used in 2016. added WC kit in 2107. added more RAM and boot drive a couple of years ago. upgraded GPU (used) this year.
3930k overclocked to 4.5GHz on an ASUS RIVE with 48GB 1600 DDR3
NVMe 2TB MP400 - Modded BIOS to boot from this on a PCIE bracket.
RTX 3080
custom loop water cooled with dual 360mm Rad, D5 pump.
looking forward to 9950X upgrade this year.
@firedomain: What do i upgrade to from this old dinosaur…. bought 2nd hand
Intel i7 4960X
64gb ddr3 quad ch
asus p9x79 ws
radeon rx 7600
bunch of nvme drives running from pci card
@ajm678: I’m clearly not the best person for upgrade advice seeing as I have the oldest PC haha.
I’d use it till it can’t do what I want anymore XD.
Then I’d keep the GPU & NVMes & upgrade the mobo, cpu & ram to something a bit more modern. I myself will be splurging at some stage & getting some of the latest stuff to rebuild. But that’ll lose value the fastest compared to getting a generation or 2 older.
What did your build cost you 13 years ago? Factor approx 40% inflation over that period and it's not as bad as it seems.
If you're just a part time casual gamer, you can definitely get something <$1k which will do ok.
I'll have to see if I have the email receipts from 2011. I bought the parts from ARC computers in Penrith. That seems like a whole other world now when shops that sold PC hardware and assembled gaming PC's and did repairs were easy to come by outside of major cities and there was a booming scene happening probably a result of Xbox 360s RROD. I know the 1070 was about $570 AUD when I bought it. That comes to $708 dollars now. The 4070 is around $1k so there is a "mystery" tax, cough "greed tax" added on for sure now.
Found it. Here is in 2011 prices and it had 2 GPUs In SLI. At today's prices works out at $1,395.60 before the 1070 purchase 5 years later.
CPU: Intel CORE i5 2500K/3.30GHz/6MB CACHE/LGA1155
$218
CASE: Antec Two Hundred 200 The Versatile ATX Tower Case - Black, NO PSU $61.15
CPU COOLER: Coolermaster Hyper 212+ Universal Socket AM2/AM3, Intel Socket 775/1156/1366 24/6
$34.16
FANS: 3 x 120mm Case fan (NO LEDS, BLACK. The LED fans are $13 each)
$15 ($5 for 1)
MOBO: Asus P8P67-Pro MB, Socket 1155, Intel P67 Chipset, 4x DDR3, SATA3, SATA2, eSATA, RAID, Firewire, USB3.0, 8CH Audio
$204.93
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws-X 8GB (4GB x 2) F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL PC3 10666 (DDR3-1333) XL 9-9-9-24 1.5v
$71.28
PSU: Corsair TX-850W Power Supply - 18/2
$184.79
VIDEO CARDS: 2 X Gigabyte GF GTS 450 PCI-E 2.0 1GB DDR5 128-bit, 810/3608MHz, Dual-Link DVI, HDMI, Fan
$120.68 for one, $241.36 for two
Total with 1x gpu: $909.99
Total with 2 x gpu: $1030.67
Wow for what it is that was cheap.. power supply was overkill for the time though
it less a mystery / greed tax and more that they have limited silicon allocation and they can sell AI silicon for crazy high prices. so they don't need to discount the GPU silicon ever.
i mean i don't like the current situation.
in theory we should all be buying AMD or Intel GPUs instead.
but personally I bought a used RTX 3080 and water cooled it.
and I own AMD stock.
I'm in a similar boat, have a pretty old machine built 11 years ago (GTX780 + i5 4670k + Maximus VI Gene) which for the older games is great, but is starting to show it's age on newer titles. So, like you, I decided to spec up a moderate build (~$2k) and a moderate-to-high-end build (~$4k) and was pretty surprised at how expensive it seems in comparison to my last build.
What are you going to buy?
@Mudzilla?
I'm thinking going a 4060ti build with a decent mobo, ddr5 and latest intel platform. Thinking that this time i'll do more periodic upgrades as opposed to waiting 11 years, so it's OK to start with cheaper graphics, will see.
RIP. My 1080ti dying too… works out better to upgrade whole system in given our outdated generation chipset 😢
Yeah, even if you bought a newer card, say a 4070 super for not far off a whole grand, yikes, whatever CPU you currently have would most likely bottleneck the card making your upgrade a bit of a waste without the appropriate hardware to support its rendering speed.
Does it have a copilot AI button?
Finally! My 13 year upgrade from an i3-730 is sorted. Now, I can run my dockers without missing a beat. The eventual gaming seems on the long horizon, though…
Now do ITX MoBo :)
Very tempting, but lacking the motivation to reassemble my PC. The i5-12600K will suffice for a bit longer, even though I know it's bottlenecking the RTX 4090.
If i was you i wouldn't bother unless you upgraded to a 9800X3D :)
That motherboard is meh! according to Hardware Unboxed review here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTFUa60ozKY But it will do the job because the 7800X3D uses so little power.. same power usage as a R5 7600 :) 88w