BYD ATTO 3 2024 Models: Standard Range $44,499 (Was $48,011) and Extended $47,499 (Was $51,011) + On-Road Costs @ BYD

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BYD ATTO 3 2024 Models: Standard Range $44,499 (Was $48,011) and Extended $47,499 (Was $51,011) + On-Road Costs @ BYD
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nomster on 13/06/2024 - 21:11 bydautomotive.com.au (12905 clicks)
Last edited 13/06/2024 - 21:22

Exciting news for those in the market for an electric vehicle that's not a Tesla.

They've finally run out of 2023 stock it seems and now 2024 is up.

The BYD Atto 3 has just dropped in price around $3,500 for both specs.

New features in the 2024 model:

  • 15.6” Infotainment Screen
  • Continental Tyres
  • Minor Heating and Cooling System Update
  • Blue & Black Interior (only on the Black exterior)
  • Chrome Replacing all Silver Trims

Drive Away Price for Extended Range

  • NSW $50,075.57
  • ACT $48,165.20
  • QLD $49,180.85
  • SA $50,027.26
  • VIC $50,315.90
  • WA $51,473.15
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Comments

  • wise penny on 13/06/2024 - 21:12
    +52

    Woo!! Elon, now its your turn to price beat!

    • Lucille Bluth on 13/06/2024 - 21:18
      +17

      He is a little tied up today

      Elon Musk accused of sexual misconduct, asking SpaceX employee to “have his babies”

      • Grok on 13/06/2024 - 21:40
        +22

        Nah, it’s a slow day.

        The accusers can line up behind POTUS, the FTC, the FBI, the CIA, the Delaware Chancery Court and the US Fish and Wildlife Agency to name only a few.

        • UltimateAI on 13/06/2024 - 22:40
          +14

          Magically the same day as the "shareholder vote"

        • Unleash3896 on 14/06/2024 - 10:25
          -1

          Idk I reckon we hear it out.

          Despite the atrocities, if we were to combine all of those you've named, they are still not as annoying as Elon.

      • 0806449 on 14/06/2024 - 09:06

        I read Space Babies

      • desync on 14/06/2024 - 09:32
        -1

        yeah, it's amazing how dumb people are to think it's legitimate

      • macrocephalic on 14/06/2024 - 12:05
        +2

        The last thing he needs is more babies. He doesn't even talk to half the ones he has.

      • jv on 19/06/2024 - 21:23

        asking SpaceX employee to “have his babies”

        That will be on Mars and Earth laws do not apply there…

    • Mel-waukee on 13/06/2024 - 21:19
      +26

      And I really wish he'd do something about the bare bones - ipad stuck in the middle - instrument cluster. It's a car ffs not a laptop.

        • Rimas on 13/06/2024 - 22:14
          +37

          Not in this case. Having to take your eyes off the road to check your speed is not "more"

          • klaw81 on 14/06/2024 - 08:22
            +2

            @Rimas: It's not more, but it's not less either. The Tesla layout is no worse than a standard dashboard, and the large digits can actually be seen in your peripheral vision.

            A HUD would be great, but let's not get hysterical.

            • 1st-Amendment on 14/06/2024 - 09:04
              +3

              @klaw81:

              It's not more, but it's not less either.

              It is actually less though. Less tactile interfaces, which is a really important thing when operating heavy machinery.
              It also looks like utter shit. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I went a sat in a few cars on the weekend as I'm starting my next purchase decision and the Tesla was by far the cheapest, plasticky and worst feeling of the lot.

            • Franc-T on 18/06/2024 - 16:09

              @klaw81: Its hugely less and I dont think you can actually read digits in your peripheral vision no matter what you think you can do. A small glance down in the steering wheel is way better than having to move your head to tell the speed. Also no butons means you have to look at what you are pressing for things like air con etc its just stupid.

              They should be doing huds for the speed etc and buttons for critical functions. Both the idea of everything on the screen and putting it in the middle are stupid ideas that most companies shy away from even if cheaper to produce.

              • klaw81 on 18/06/2024 - 19:40

                @Franc-T:

                I dont think you can actually read digits in your peripheral vision

                You really need to try it before you can make that kind of blanket statement. The text is quite large and contrast is excellent. You might be surprised what you can resolve in your peripheral vision.

                A small glance down in the steering wheel is way better than having to move your head to tell the speed.

                Since you can already see it in peripheral vision, there is definitely no need to move your head. Glancing straight down vs glancing down and slightly left is simply an issue of habit and familiarity.

                Also no butons means you have to look at what you are pressing

                Almost everything you could possibly need while driving is accessible from the steering wheel controls and/or stalks. Media volume and controls, phone calls, wipers, cruise control, voice commands and quite a bit more. It's a well designed, context-aware system.

                You can adjust the temperature settings with a swipe without looking, but it's not the most intuitive thing. I rarely change the HVAC controls since the auto setting works really well, but some people seem to be more fussy about things like fan speed. <edit: apparently they've added a customisation feature which allows allow climate control via the steering wheel buttons as well - that's pretty cool>

                They should be doing huds for the speed

                I agree this would be better. HUD is not difficult or expensive, and I have no idea why it's not standard equipment on all vehicles. Nissan were fitting it to basic family cars in the late 80's so there's no excuse.

                Both the idea of everything on the screen and putting it in the middle are stupid

                This is highly subjective and again, mostly an issue of familiarity. Muscle memory can be difficult and irritating to re-learn, but that doesn't make the design fundamentally bad.

                If I were given the job of changing the entire dash and control interface, I would only change a few things:
                1. Bring back the stalks to those vehicles that lost them. This was a backwards step in my opinion.
                2. Swap the stalks around, so the indicator is on the right where it belongs in RHD countries.
                3. Install a HUD for speed readout
                4. Fit hardware toggle switches for driver and passenger climate control temperature and fan speed at the base of the screen.

        • Mel-waukee on 13/06/2024 - 22:30

          NO!

      • Ruddaga on 13/06/2024 - 22:41
        +11

        Needs a hud on the windshield. If other car manufacturers which are less "techy" can do it, no reason the almighty Musk can't.

        • hippyhippy on 14/06/2024 - 10:19
          +1

          A hud would be perfect for tesla… Even my corolla has one

      • JimmyF on 13/06/2024 - 23:27
        +1

        And I really wish he'd do something about the bare bones - ipad stuck in the middle - instrument cluster. It's a car ffs not a laptop.

        Do you own one? It works really well!

        • Mel-waukee on 13/06/2024 - 23:31
          +5

          Precisely the reason I don't own one! I've test driven it, doesn't work for me.

          • JimmyF on 13/06/2024 - 23:35
            +1

            @Mel-waukee:

            I've test driven it, doesn't work for me.

            Must be a button fun… My old car had a sea of buttons, but after 10 years of ownership there were buttons I never used more than once or twice, like turning off blind spot monitoring or parking beepers.

            All the day to day functions are on the Tesla screen, everything else is there too, but just like the blind spot monitoring button, you use once every few years, So I don't need that front and center.

            Honestly the screen works. People are just full of fear over missing buttons.

            • Mel-waukee on 13/06/2024 - 23:46
              +8

              @JimmyF: I don't doubt that it works for some. No, its not a out the buttons so much either. I'd like to see some readings in the front, not on the side.

              With the latest model 3, the swipe on screen to reverse works too, of course, but it seems ridiculous too me. Driving is also about muscle memory, it's just not there with every control on a touch screen. The steering wheel based turn indicator buttons are just wrong! How does one actuate them when the button location keeps changing with the steering turned already.

                • Mel-waukee on 14/06/2024 - 00:06

                  @JimmyF: Are you Elon with a pseudonym? I'm sure you love your Tesla model 3, not for me thanks! Please stop trying to sell a Tesla to me! works for you, good for you!

                  What of those who don't belong to the "most people" category? Should they just end up in a hazardous situation, say, because they forgot to indicate before the turn?
                  Again about the turn indicators, think about being in a roundabout and you want to exit!

                  • cloudy on 14/06/2024 - 07:38
                    +1

                    @Mel-waukee:

                    Please stop trying to sell a Tesla to me! works for you, good for you!

                    He has financial interest in selling you Tesla cars!

                • cloudy on 14/06/2024 - 07:35
                  +3

                  @JimmyF:

                  Fun fact, …

                  Here’s another fun fact, in 2022 you were spruiking Tesla stock to go to the moon, I called you out to try to save other ozbargainers money by betting you that it won’t beat the SP500.

                  In 2023 when I asked you to honour your bet you simply ignored the bet ever existed.

                  Do you have any credibility?

                  • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 08:11
                    -7

                    @cloudy:

                    Do you have any credibility?

                    Do you?

                  • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 08:21
                    -1

                    @cloudy:

                    you were spruiking Tesla stock to go to the moon

                    So did it not go up that year? You got to know when to cash out my friend!

                    nvidia stock is the same… Time to cash out people!

                    • cloudy on 14/06/2024 - 11:24
                      +1

                      @JimmyF: oh sht I got caught out, look over there at Nvidia! lol.

                      At least write you have financial interest in Tesla if you're gonna spruik it every day.

                      • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 13:05
                        -4

                        @cloudy:

                        At least write you have financial interest in Tesla if you're gonna spruik it every day.

                        See post above, you gotta know when to get out my friend!

                        I do own a Tesla, been very clear about that! I'm not hiding anything.

                        Are you?

                        • cloudy on 14/06/2024 - 14:20
                          +4

                          @JimmyF:

                          I do own a Tesla, been very clear about that! I'm not hiding anything.

                          i must have missed it, show me.

                          • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 14:23
                            -2

                            @cloudy:

                            i must have missed it, show me.

                            I don't have time to teach you to read. Get someone else to read it out to you.

                            • cloudy on 14/06/2024 - 14:24
                              +4

                              @JimmyF: You got plenty of time to reply, but no time to prove your credibility….hmm interesting priorities…

                              • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 14:26
                                -1

                                @cloudy:

                                but no time to prove your credibility

                                What credibility are you after stormy?

                                • cloudy on 14/06/2024 - 14:29
                                  +4

                                  @JimmyF: Exactly, what credibility does a sock puppet have….none

                                  • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 14:30
                                    -1

                                    @cloudy: So then, I've answered all your questions Stormy. Have a great day!

                • InternetName on 14/06/2024 - 08:22
                  +4

                  @JimmyF: Geez people are scared of Tesla. You’re not attacking anyone. Just stating some facts and your opinion and look at the downvotes

                  • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 08:29
                    +1

                    @InternetName: Thanks! EVs and the internet are an interesting mix…. Its funny so many of these points apply to any new car :) Every new ICE car I get it, I have to spend some time learning where all the buttons are. Speedo is in a different spot etc. You get used to it in a few drives.

            • dontpanic on 14/06/2024 - 02:59
              +11

              @JimmyF: It's not a fear thing, it's a basic safety thing. Taking your eyes off the road to navigate a virtual screen when the same thing can be done with a tactile button that doesn't require removing your eyes from the road is a negative in my book. And why should I be looking down at the middle of my dash to check my speed. It's minimalism at the expense of practicality and safety. And yes, I've driven one - multiple times.

              • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 08:12
                -2

                @dontpanic:

                It's not a fear thing, it's a basic safety thing. Taking your eyes off the road to navigate a virtual screen when the same thing can be done with a tactile button that doesn't require removing your eyes from the road is a negative in my book.

                Most people take their eyes off the road to navigate tactile buttons.

                and what is it you are trying to do while driving all the time?

              • chuq on 14/06/2024 - 10:20

                @dontpanic:

                Taking your eyes off the road to navigate a virtual screen

                No-one does this. All the controls you need to use while driving are accessible with tactile buttons or controls

                And yes, I've driven one - multiple times.

                Given that anyone who has driven one for any length of time knows that you don't use the screen, there are three options:

                (a) You haven't driven one
                (b) You have some other reason, motivation or interest in misleading people about it
                (c) There is some other feature that you think is necessary to do while driving, that I haven't thought of. If this is the case, what feature are you thinking of?

                There are things you can do, such as type an address into the navigation or search for titles on Spotify, etc. but any other car also uses a touchscreen for these.

            • 1st-Amendment on 14/06/2024 - 09:07

              @JimmyF:

              People are just full of fear over missing buttons.

              We all have phones, we know how touch interfaces work. We also know and tactile interfaces work and how they can be better at some things. For instance I despise push button volume controls, I much prefer a dial. It just feels better. This is not some imagined phobia, it is a real preference.

              • chuq on 14/06/2024 - 10:22
                +2

                @1st-Amendment:

                I much prefer a dial.

                Teslas have two scroll-wheels on the steering wheel which can be used for adjusting music volume, adjusting climate control temperature, adjusting wiper speed and adjusting cruise control speed.

                • 1st-Amendment on 14/06/2024 - 10:37

                  @chuq:

                  Teslas have two scroll-wheels on the steering wheel

                  What about the passengers?

                  • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 13:11
                    +1

                    @1st-Amendment:

                    What about the passengers?

                    Oh the horror the passengers has to use the touch screen. Luckily for them they are not driving. Even more lucky for them Tesla puts the volume controls on that side of the screen so they don't even have to reach.

                    How do your back seat passengers change the volume in your car then?

                  • chuq on 14/06/2024 - 16:24
                    +1

                    @1st-Amendment:

                    What about the passengers?

                    The ones who checks notes are able to look at the screen since they are not driving?

              • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 13:09
                +1

                @1st-Amendment:

                For instance I despise push button volume controls, I much prefer a dial

                LOL Tell me you have never driven a Tesla without telling me. There is a dial for the volume on the steering wheel. Its very tactile.

                This is not some imagined phobia, it is a real preference.

                Oh no, it is some imagined phobia, as what you think happens inside a Tesla, isn't really what goes on.

        • bobz79 on 13/06/2024 - 23:55
          +5

          Rented one for a few days… I think the screen is distracting and a hazard! It takes your eyes off the road, as worse as using a tab/mobile while driving :-)

          Also if you are long sighted, challenging to use the screen while driving without a reading glass (may be should have increased font size)

          I think HUD and wireless Android Auto/Apple CarPlay would make Tesla a much more useful laptop with wheels ;-)

          Other issues - trip battery prediction was off by 10%+, likely FSD draining it quicker! Lane merges and round abouts are often hit n miss!

          • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 00:04
            +2

            @bobz79:

            I think the screen is distracting and a hazard! It takes your eyes off the road.

            That applies to any car does it not? What had you been doing on the screen while driving, watching the map? So no different to any other car with Android Auto/Apple CarPlay.

            Also if you are long sighted, challenging to use the screen while driving without a reading glass (may be should have increased font size)

            Long sighted issues apply to ICE speedos as well, if anything the numbers on our ICE car are smaller than the Tesla! So are harder to read.

            But rest assured, Elon was listing! The font size for the speedo was recently increased to make it bigger.

            I think HUD and wireless Android Auto/Apple CarPlay would make Tesla a much more useful laptop with wheels ;-)

            HUD would be nice and address most peoples 'concerns' of no speedo directly in front of them. Even though after a few drives it is a non issue.

            Other issues - trip battery prediction was off by 10%+

            For a trip or did you have sentry mode running while parked? For trips the battery prediction has been spot on for me! I can leave home on a long trip with 100% and it will project to arrive with 19% and will be within 1-2% either way. Depending on my driving style ;)

            But if you don't follow the map and go your own way, then yeah it will be out.

            likely FSD draining it quicker!

            FSD is a $10k+ option and useless in OZ, so think you might be thinking of auto pilot instead of FSD.

            Lane merges and round abouts are often hit n miss!

            AP doesn't do lane merges or roundabouts, so that might be why ;)

            • bobz79 on 14/06/2024 - 00:14

              @JimmyF: Autopilot Computer: Full self-driving computer.

              Minimal stops (altogether max 30 mins) and dont think Sentry was enabled

              • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 00:20
                +3

                @bobz79:

                Autopilot Computer: Full self-driving computer

                All Tesla cars ship with the Full self-driving computer hardware included. You have to pay to 'unlock' FSD features. Cars in OZ come with Autopilot for free. I doubt the rental had coughed up the $10k+ for it.

                Minimal stops (altogether max 30 mins) and dont think Sentry was enabled

                Not sure why yours was way off. Mine arrives within a few % of what it says I will arrive with when I head off.

                • dontpanic on 14/06/2024 - 03:04
                  -1

                  @JimmyF:

                  That applies to any car does it not? What had you been doing on the screen while driving, watching the map? So no different to any other car with Android Auto/Apple CarPlay.

                  I'm not regularly looking at the map, and rarely interacting with it while driving. Because Tesla hides all it's controls on the screen, you need to engage with it more often while driving to and have to engage in more complicated interactions to perform basic tasks. You also have to divert your eyes from the road completely to check your speed - most cars have a speedometer that doesn't require you to divert your peripheral gaze from the road.

                  • dealsucker on 14/06/2024 - 08:17
                    +3

                    @dontpanic: Hides how? Are they playing a game of treasure hunt? Do you want a button for every single function in the car? Do you still use a blackberry and refuse to use a touchscreen phone?

                  • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 08:18
                    +1

                    @dontpanic:

                    Because Tesla hides all it's controls on the screen, you need to engage with it more often while driving to and have to engage in more complicated interactions to perform basic tasks.

                    Honest question…What are you needing to do while driving that is so complicated that it isn't on the front screen and hidden away? Once I'm driving there isn't much in any car that I need to adjust. The temp or volume, but climate works well, so rarely need to adjust the temp. volume or next track is with the scroll wheels.

                    You also have to divert your eyes from the road completely to check your speed - most cars have a speedometer that doesn't require you to divert your peripheral gaze from the road.

                    When you look at any speedo in any car, your eyes have diverted from the road. Its placement has little to do with this fact.

                    Muscle memory, one is looking down, one is looking to the side. You only move your eyes, not your head.

                    • dontpanic on 14/06/2024 - 15:15

                      @JimmyF:

                      When you look at any speedo in any car, your eyes have diverted from the road. Its placement has little to do with this fact.

                      Eyes diverted a little downward while still facing straight and maintaining peripheral vision on the road is vastly different to having to look halfway down to your feet and to the left. It's not a good placement for a speedometer.

                      • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 15:46
                        +1

                        @dontpanic:

                        Eyes diverted a little downward while still facing straight and maintaining peripheral vision on the road is vastly different to having to look halfway down to your feet and to the left. It's not a good placement for a speedometer.

                        What crap are you on about? Where do you think the speedo is located on the floor?

                        The speedo is is off to the top left of the steering wheel. Your head doesn't need to move either, just GASP move your eyes like any other car.

                        If you want to talk peripheral vision, my eyes are still pointing forward and facing out the windscreen. Unlike a traditional speedo that my eyes would have to be lower looking under the windscreen line to find the speedo.

                        Its funny at the outcry of the speedo placement, yet mini has it smack bang in the middle of the car, far lower, and not a single sh!t was given over the mini. But now look at all these experts about speedo placement.

                        • dontpanic on 14/06/2024 - 18:02
                          -1

                          @JimmyF: That's a shit placement too then. But I've never driven a Mini, nor even looked at one. I've driven a Tesla, and I found it extremely hard to keep an eye on both my speed and the road. I didn't like it. You do. That's fine. Agree to disagree.

            • 1st-Amendment on 14/06/2024 - 09:10

              @JimmyF:

              So no different to any other car with Android Auto/Apple CarPlay.

              I have dials on mine which I can control all this so have no need to take my eyes off the road.

              • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 09:14
                +3

                @1st-Amendment:

                I have dials on mine which I can control all this so have no need to take my eyes off the road.

                Dials to do what though? Change the volume or track? Tesla has that on the steering wheel. No need to take your eyes off the road.

                Change the temp? Long press the scroll wheel, as well.

                • 1st-Amendment on 14/06/2024 - 09:23
                  -3

                  @JimmyF:

                  Dials to do what though? Change the volume or track?

                  Everything. Everything in my current car is tactile, lights, indicators, aircon, maps, cruise, audio, call and txt functions and I prefer that. Also my main screen is directly below where I look, not off to the side. That may sound like a small thing, but it's a deal breaker for me. The screwed-on giant iPad in the middle of a bare plastic dash looks really cheap and tacky to me.

                  • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 09:45
                    +3

                    @1st-Amendment:

                    Everything in my current car is tactile, lights, indicators, aircon, maps, cruise, audio, call and txt functions and I prefer that

                    LOL I love that people think everything is done via the touch screen. Hate to break it to you, all that can be done without touching the screen.

                    Do you demand buttons on your smart phone like the old Blackberry used to have?

                    lights

                    Automatic, no need to turn on and off. MY has a stalk, High/low beam is on the stalk.

                    My ICE car has automatic lights, same deal. I don't touch the switch just like I don't touch it in the Tesla.

                    indicators

                    MY has a stalk, no issues.

                    aircon

                    Climate is set and forget. My ICE has a dial, I rarely change it. About twice a year with the seasons. Tesla is the same.

                    maps

                    You have buttons for your maps? WOW Haven't seen a button driven nav in like 15 years.

                    All map data should be entered before you start driving. As that is the legal thing to do.

                    cruise

                    Pull down on the stalk, cruise is engaged, change the speed with one of the dials on the steering wheel.

                    audio

                    The other dial does volume, press left/right to change tracks.

                    call and txt functions

                    Texting while driving… LOL

                    But yes Tesla has voice replies for text as well. Answering a call is via the scroll wheel when a call comes in. Making a call via voice input.

                    Also my main screen is directly below where I look, not off to the side

                    It is a sideways glance vs a downwards glance. For our cars, your eyes have to move less of a distance to see the speedo when going sideways in the Tesla than glacing down in the other cars as the speed is in the top right hand corner basically next to the steering wheel.

                    The screwed-on giant iPad in the middle of a bare plastic dash looks really cheap and tacky to me.

                    The sea of buttons and dials that I rarely use looks cluttered to me.

                    Plus having to take my eyes off the road for so long to find which button I need to press is so dangerous!!! See it goes both ways ;)

                    Tesla is a learning curve for sure, like any new car. But honestly next time you sit in your car, review each button for how often you really use it.

                    Our ICE has a blind spot button to turn it on and off. It never gets turned off. Useless button. Could have been a setting in a menu. Same for parking sensors. Never turn them off either.

                    I do agree they didn't do the right thing with the M3 by removing the stalks, it was too early. Thankfully some 3rd party stalks are just about to be released. Should you have to do this? No. But if its a deal breaker for you, there is a fix.

                    • klaw81 on 14/06/2024 - 10:13
                      +3

                      @JimmyF: Jimmy your responses are absolutely on point, and reflect my own feelings almost exactly.

                      Yes, Tesla have a different interior layout to many other cars. But in almost every case, it's different in a thoughtful and sensible manner, it works really well, and it's not hard to get used to. It took me about 4 hours to be properly comfortable.

                      If you don't like the way Tesla does things, that's totally fine - don't buy one. But also don't come here and talk crap about them, especially to derail a discussion about a totally different car.

                      • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 10:21
                        +3

                        @klaw81:

                        Jimmy your responses are absolutely on point, and reflect my own feelings almost exactly.

                        Thank you! M3 or MY?

                        Yes, Tesla have a different interior layout to many other cars. But in almost every case, it's different in a thoughtful and sensible manner, it works really well, and it's not hard to get used to. It took me about 4 hours to be properly comfortable.

                        Like all things with Tesla, they haven't just done it the way it was always done. I love the jump in and go style of the car.

                        Tesla stopped and had a think about what really is used. Sure they don't get everything right, the door handles while I'm used to them and have no issues now, are not that friendly to first time users but they quickly get the hang of it.

                        If you don't like the way Tesla does things, that's totally fine - don't buy one. But also don't come here and talk crap about them, especially to derail a discussion about a totally different car.

                        I often wonder if these people go around to other car forums and complain about those cars. I bet they don't. But if its a EV or a Tesla, they just can't help themselves, repeating all these things they read on the internet. Like they catch fire all the time!

                      • 1st-Amendment on 14/06/2024 - 10:53
                        -1

                        @klaw81:

                        But also don't come here and talk crap about them

                        Here comes the thought police…

                        especially to derail a discussion about a totally different car.

                        Touch vs tactile interfaces in cars is quite relevant to any car discussion, especially as manufacturers try to remove things that are important. I was at a transport forum with my local minister the other day and they expressed a concern that the loss of tactile interfaces for key driving functions is a genuine safety concern which they are looking into legislating. Their words, not mine.

                    • 1st-Amendment on 14/06/2024 - 10:49
                      -1

                      @JimmyF:

                      LOL I love that people think everything is done via the touch screen

                      Where did I say that?

                      Do you demand buttons on your smart phone like the old Blackberry used to have?

                      Well I preferred the old rear fingerprint read to the in-screen one. And if I used my phone to control heavy machinery then yes I would prefer tactile interfaces. Are you able to grasp the concept the different people prefer different things?

                      Pull down on the stalk

                      The stalk that Tesla removed you mean?

                      Texting while driving… LOL

                      Never heard of voice to text? So much for being a leading edge tech warrior…

                      The sea of buttons and dials that I rarely use looks cluttered to me.

                      Cool so you like it, I don't. Different people like different things…

                      See it goes both ways

                      Yeah this is my point. You said "It's no different to any other car", I'm saying it is different. Now you seem to agree that it is different.

                      But if its a deal breaker for you, there is a fix.

                      Yeah I know. I buy a different brand, one that fits my requirement better. Hooray for free markets!

                      • klaw81 on 14/06/2024 - 10:57
                        +2

                        @1st-Amendment:

                        I buy a different brand, one that fits my requirement better.

                        And yet you show up to sh!t on Tesla and EVs in general, regular as clockwork, in every single EV thread.

                        Hooray for free speech, I guess?

                        • 1st-Amendment on 14/06/2024 - 11:05
                          +1

                          @klaw81:

                          And yet you show up to sh!t on Tesla and EVs in general

                          What did I shit on specifically? JimmyF made the claim that people fear new things, I merely corrected him and said different people like different things, and he actually ended up agreeing. None of which is EV specific, it's actually a discussion about interface types, not EV's specifically.

                          in every single EV thread.

                          Words trigger you? Seek help.

                          Hooray for free speech, I guess?

                          Yeah, part of that means you will sometimes hear things you disagree with, so you should probably learn how to deal with that like an adult rather than throwing your toys out of the pram when you hear opinion you don't like. It's all part of growing up.

                          • klaw81 on 14/06/2024 - 11:16
                            +1

                            @1st-Amendment:

                            What did I shit on specifically?

                            A quote from you, less than an hour ago: "It is actually less though….It also looks like utter shit"

                            Having said that, your comments in this thread have been far more moderate than previous threads, so good job. You haven't mentioned your RAV4 once yet :-)

                            I'm okay with a discussion, and like most EV owners I'm very used to hearing dissenting voices - no toys thrown out of the pram here. But it's very frustrating when every single EV thread instantly becomes cluttered with idiots who just want to meme about car fires, disposable batteries, Elon's tweets and other rubbish.

                            There are actually quite a number of people who are genuinely interested in the deal and want to have a discussion, but the first 3 pages are almost entirely taken up with dumb comments about entirely irrelevant issues.

                            • 1st-Amendment on 14/06/2024 - 11:24
                              -1

                              @klaw81:

                              A quote from you

                              Well the post I responded to said it wasn't less when it actually is. So I think anyone is entitled to question a false claim.
                              I also qualified this with "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" because one person's trash is another person's treasure.

                              You haven't mentioned your RAV4 once yet

                              Eh? I don't own a RAV4. Sounds like you've confused me with someone else.

                              every single EV thread instantly becomes cluttered with

                              When I see stuff like that I just ignore it…

                              But the first 3 pages are almost entirely taken up with dumb comments about entirely irrelevant issues.

                              Welcome to the Internet. You cannot control this, so I suggest you figure out a way to deal with it.

                            • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 13:16
                              +3

                              @klaw81:

                              I'm okay with a discussion, and like most EV owners I'm very used to hearing dissenting voices - no toys thrown out of the pram here. But it's very frustrating when every single EV thread instantly becomes cluttered with idiots who just want to meme about car fires, disposable batteries, Elon's tweets and other rubbish.

                              Agreed. I often wonder why I post in EV threads on this site, as most are brainwashed thinking they explode and can't be left in the rain.

                              Its also strange that people would rather see Tesla/Elon fail and BYD win.

                              I personally don't want either to fail, both will win far more than the legacy OEMs. But it is a interesting mindset that Elon has made lots of money so now must fail…. Do they have the same view for other rich people?

                              Mark Zuckerberg has a net worth of $178 billion USD…. Are people over on Facebook calling for the death of Facebook!? Compare that to Elon who has a net worth of $206 billion USD. So honestly not much more. But Elon is too rich and Tesla must fail for Elon to suffer.

                              How about our good friend Jeff Bezos? He has as much money as Elon @ $205 Billion USD. Anyone calling for Amazon to fold?

                          • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 13:14
                            +1

                            @1st-Amendment:

                            What did I shit on specifically

                            Pretty much every reply you have made about EVs…… but lets contiune

                            Words trigger you? Seek help.

                            EVs trigger you? Seek help.

                            • 1st-Amendment on 14/06/2024 - 14:37
                              -2

                              @JimmyF:

                              Pretty much every reply you have made about EVs…

                              I see you couldn't provide anything. Looks like you got your panties in a twist simply because someone has a different opinion to you…

                              EVs trigger you?

                              I'm not the one demanding you not share your opinion… Try and work out the difference there…

                      • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 13:13
                        +2

                        @1st-Amendment:

                        The stalk that Tesla removed you mean?

                        MY has stalks…..

                        Never heard of voice to text? So much for being a leading edge tech warrior…

                        Yeah I said they have that in my reply that you selectively cut out to make you look better.

          • funnymoney on 14/06/2024 - 07:55

            @bobz79:

            Lane merges and round abouts are often hit n miss!

            Hopefully more miss than hit.

      • nugstar on 13/06/2024 - 23:57

        Nooo, cos then you'll get something like the cybertruck as an interface.

      • GenerallyClumsy on 14/06/2024 - 07:56
        +3

        I own one and agree. Although I also agree that it works fine, once you get used to it, it doesn't bother you. There are other things that are more annoying, though. Before the recent software update, it was a very difficult car to park due to not having enough cameras. A couple of bumper cameras would help a lot. They are fast, and a hard limit to the road's speed limit would be a great feature. It is extremely easy to exceed the speed limit. By far the worst feature of the car is Elon. Still, it is by far the best car I've owned, and the best way to get over range anxiety is to own an EV. Oh, and another thing—free electricity from Ovo is a lot better than paying for fuel.

        • dealsucker on 14/06/2024 - 08:18

          Its like saying hitler is a feature of every volkswagen and every german you meet. That is if you are daft enough to think there is any relation betweem them and yet you say "By far the worst feature of the car is Elon". How could anyone be so blatantly obtuse?

          • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 10:07

            @dealsucker: Its funny how people overlook volkswagens roots for example….

            Tesla has over 100k employees, the car is more than just Elon who is far busier on x and SpaceX these days.

            But its ok, I get it people don't like change, so grasp onto anything to not like it about to make them feel better.

            • dealsucker on 14/06/2024 - 11:02
              -1

              @JimmyF: And Elon is a huge net positive for the world compared to even the best human's in the world right now while hitler was emmm hitler!

              • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 14:19

                @dealsucker:

                And Elon is a huge net positive for the world compared to even the best human's in the world right now

                Love him or hate him, he has changed the landscape of many legacy businesses.

                while hitler was emmm hitler!

                Hitler gave us volkswagen and without volkswagen, we wouldn't have had dieselgate and without dieselgate the USA wouldn't have had the worst 3rd party EV charging network aka Electrify America! So Thanks Hilter!

                Also lets also not talk about Monkeygate, in which VW exposed primates to harmful diesel exhaust to try and prove they hadn't been harmful as a part of justifying dieselgate cheating!

                Crazy what some companies will do to make a profit with no care for the environment or animals etc.

              • bunnybash on 14/06/2024 - 17:07

                @dealsucker: It's worth looking beyond the hype around Elon. I'm not calling him Hitler or anything. I used to think Elon was pretty awesome, but then I started looking beyond the smoke and mirrors. He's got some DEEP flaws that he seems to think are strengths.

                • dealsucker on 14/06/2024 - 20:20
                  +2

                  @bunnybash: Who does not have flaws dude? Which normal human being would put all of his $100mn he earned by selling paypal into setting up a rocket company with an initial aim to land the darned thing and to start an electric vehicle company when none existed successfully. I would have just retired. Just a few days ago, the world’s biggest and heaviest rocket flew and landed, falcon rocket landed for a record 300th time, you can access internet literally anywhere in the world, literally in the middle of the ocean, tesla became the most profitable car company on the planet and s we might have a self driving car soon. But no form your silly opinions based off of sold out shit outlets like business insider or whatever and not people who have actually worked with Elon - you know people like jim keller the father of the modern cpu or andrej karpathh one of the leading ai talent on earth among others. He is eccentric but his heart is at right place.

                  • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 21:13
                    +1

                    @dealsucker: Most don't realise the amount of times Elon has nearly gone broke. He is always about betting everything! All in!

                • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 21:11
                  +1

                  @bunnybash:

                  He's got some DEEP flaws that he seems to think are strengths

                  LOL So Elon is human after all! Shocked I tell you. I always thought he was trying to get back to his home plant.

                  For all those big flaws, he has redesigned the landscape of many large and often thought to be unchanged industries. Knocked the old legacy car makers around, show up Boeing for space launches. Launched a global internet service when people said it wasn't able to be done.

                  Amazing flaws to have really, to be crazy enough to even attempt these things.

        • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 10:11
          +1

          it was a very difficult car to park due to not having enough cameras. A couple of bumper cameras would help a lot.

          It has a rear bumper camera and side cameras. Make sure you have flicked up to show the side cameras when reversing. You can press the camera button anytime to have them pop up. Drag the camera icon into the perm area so the button is always there for easy access.

          Front camera is 50/50. My ICE doesn't have one. So I'm used to using my eyes when parking. So haven't missed it yet.

          By far the worst feature of the car is Elon.

          Kinda agree, but this is fear of change so latching onto anything and everything they can to not like the car. Elon just gives them lots of staff to latch on. No one knows anything about the CEO of BWM, VM, Toyota, GM, FORD etc. Most couldn't even tell you who they are!

          It was fires that don't happen, range issues, or charging times, speedo in the wrong place. The list of reasons to not like a EV is endless and not applied to any other car.

          Basically people don't like change and complain about it.

          • bumluffa on 14/06/2024 - 13:54
            -1

            @JimmyF: My ICE cost half the price of a Tesla at the time but does everything the Tesla can do except that I have to pay for petrol. The only thing is the value of the Tesla has dropped in value about 20x the amount of fuel I've paid for the car since I've gotten it. So what exactly is the value proposition of an EV?

            Oh and it's nicer to drive

            • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 14:13
              +3

              @bumluffa:

              My ICE cost half the price of a Tesla at the time but does everything the Tesla can do except that I have to pay for petrol.

              and servicing….

              The only thing is the value of the Tesla has dropped in value about 20x the amount of fuel I've paid for the car since I've gotten it.

              LOL Did you read that in MSM?

              So what exactly is the value proposition of an EV?

              Why does it need a value proposition? Did you have a value proposition for your current ICE? Surely there were even cheaper cars around than what you paid. So why didn't you get that?

              Oh and it's nicer to drive

              Have you even driven a Tesla?

              You assume people who drive EVs are doing it to save money or the world. Maybe they just drive them because they can leave everything behind them at the lights.

              • bumluffa on 14/06/2024 - 18:32

                @JimmyF: I'm just saying, for me and many people, it makes 0 economical sense to buy a lump of metal that depreciates at a rate so high it makes it a writeoff after 5 years, feels like a boat to drive and has terrible build quality
                Enjoy your 3 second 0-60 to the next traffic lights though
                I might buy an EV in 10-15 years time when the tech has matured and the prices have stabilised. Then again, the world could be a completely different place by then.
                Probably will still be able to sell my ICE for chunk of what I bought it for though given the novelty of the tech. Can you say the same for yours?

                • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 21:07
                  +1

                  @bumluffa:

                  I'm just saying, for me and many people, it makes 0 economical sense to buy a lump of metal that depreciates at a rate so high it makes it a writeoff after 5 years, feels like a boat to drive and has terrible build quality

                  LOL your current lump of metal also depreciates…. No Teslas is writen off at 5 years like you claim. Just MSM FUD.

                  Oh and If by boat, you mean speed boat, then sure! Once again, guessing you haven't driven one.

                  Enjoy your 3 second 0-60 to the next traffic lights though

                  I do… Its amazing and fun! Get a big grin every time.

                  Probably will still be able to sell my ICE for chunk of what I bought it for though given the novelty of the tech. Can you say the same for yours?

                  hahahahaha yeah it'll be a collectors item…. not.

                  • bumluffa on 14/06/2024 - 21:10
                    -1

                    @JimmyF: I checked the other day and I could actually sell my car for about the same price I bought it for minus onroad costs so no you're wrong

                    Also idk what is this MSM means you keep typing but it's really weird

                    Also I'm pretty sure I enjoy driving my car more than you get accelerating off a red light

                    Also did I mention how much money you've already lost on your car?

                    But keep going off king 😂

                    • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 21:16
                      +1

                      @bumluffa:

                      I checked the other day and I could actually sell my car for about the same price I bought it for minus onroad costs so no you're wrong

                      What amazing car do you have that has increased in value? The market is flooded with cars, this isn't 2020 anymore!

                      Also idk what is this MSM means you keep typing but it's really weird

                      Time to learn what MSM means and FUD while you're there.

                      Also I'm pretty sure I enjoy driving my car more than you get accelerating off a red light

                      LOL Your slow old dinosaur farting thing, no thank you. We have one already and it sits in the driveway collecting dust.

                      Also did I mention how much money you've already lost on your car?

                      I've lost zero money on it as I haven't sold it.

                      • bumluffa on 14/06/2024 - 21:23
                        -1

                        @JimmyF: 2023 Mazda 3, checked just now, carsales estimate is 34k average price. Actually about 1k more than the 33k I paid for it brand new in December 2022.

                        I assume you have a model 3… looks like those dropped 10k from the price they were back in those days… in just 1 year. Ouch. Don't even think about trading in either LOL

                        If you take the stance that you haven't lost any money as you haven't sold it… does that mean you plan on taking your Tesla to the grave? I know I won't be… I'm planning to sell it in 5 years for an upgrade. Pretty sure i'll be getting most of my money back that i've paid for it. Can you say the same?

                        • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 21:38
                          +1

                          @bumluffa:

                          I assume you have a model 3… looks like those dropped 10k from the price they were back in those days… in just 1 year. Ouch. Don't even think about trading in either LOL

                          Nope

                          If you take the stance that you haven't lost any money as you haven't sold it… does that mean you plan on taking your Tesla to the grave?

                          Who knows what the 2nd hand car market will do between now and when I want to sell it.

                          I'm planning to sell it in 5 years for an upgrade. Pretty sure i'll be getting most of my money back that i've paid for it. Can you say the same?

                          Sure if the Mazda 3 goes up to $55k for your model in the next 5 years, then you'll get your 'money back'.

                          2023 Mazda 3, checked just now, carsales estimate is 34k average price. Actually about 1k more than the 33k I paid for it brand new in December 2022.

                          What model do you have? Pure or Evolve?

                          Depending on your state, the one I looked up, shows the Pure is $32,990 drive away brand new. Evolve is $36,261 brand new, drive away

                          Assuming you have the Evolve, I wouldn't be paying $34k + stamp duty for a 18 month old used car when I can get a brand new one cheaper @ $36k drive away.

                          • bumluffa on 14/06/2024 - 21:46
                            -1

                            @JimmyF: Evolve. And i mean yeah, that's just how it is with the used car market for ICE cars and part of why i went with it. The resale value is much better. You're coping hard if you think the 2nd hand car market is gonna drastically change like that for EVs. The rate of depreciation is only ever going to get worse as technology improves in this space. Like I said, hugely depreciating lump of metal but i suppose you can enjoy it while you have it. But like i said, i much prefer the driving experience of an ICE anyway even if the acceleration isn't as much.

                            Face the facts, you as first generation EV buyers are the guinea pigs of the industry. Like i said, i'll adopt when the technology is more mature and the prices have stabilised.

                            Also you're dreaming if you think it's $20k cost of ownership in 5 years for these things. $80 for 500 kms of petrol, I have free maintenance for first 3 years and it only ever ends up being $300 per year anyway.

                            • JimmyF on 14/06/2024 - 21:58

                              @bumluffa:

                              Evolve. And i mean yeah, that's just how it is with the used car market for ICE cars and part of why i went with it. The resale value is much better

                              No one is paying $34k for your car today when you can buy it brand new for $36k.

                              You're coping hard if you think the 2nd hand car market is gonna drastically change like that for EVs

                              I'm not the one having dreams of selling a 5 year old Mazda 3 for the same price they purchased it at.

                              But like i said, i much prefer the driving experience of an ICE anyway even if the acceleration isn't as much.

                              More like too poor, but ok. Here is a fun fact, no one is making you buy an EV. So continue to enjoy your ICE.

                              Face the facts, you as first generation EV buyers are the guinea pigs of the industry. Like i said, i'll adopt when the technology is more mature and the prices have stabilised.

                              first generation EV? Yeah been making EVs for over a decade, So far from first generation!

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