Dr Nick Coatsworth Who Helped Lead Australia's Response to COVID - Recommends NO MORE JABS - OPINIONS

mickrb30 on 12/06/2024 - 21:12
Last edited 13/06/2024 - 08:06 by 1 other user

Dr Nick Coatsworth makes a STUNNING admission about the Covid jab

Dr Nick Coatsworth (left) who helped lead Australia's response to Covid-19, has made a shock revelation about vaccinations for the virus. And it's not the first controversial statement Dr Coatsworth - Australia's former deputy chief health officer - has made about the Covid vaccine. HE HAS WOKEN UP _ SAYS HE WILL NOT TAKE ANY MORE JABS - whats your SAY ? ?
Will you follow his lead, his advice ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13520171/doctor-n…

sorry spelled typo, Opinion wrong in heading, wont let me fix it know.

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Comments

    • EightImmortals on 16/06/2024 - 08:03
      +2

      Nonsense.

      "Anyone suggesting the experts got everything right, that there was nothing they said that could be questioned, is just being foolish."

      Plenty of people got thrown in jail and/or beaten by the cops FOR the 'crime' of questioning the governments actions. Forcing businesses (only small ones, not the big ones of course) , schools to close when people were not actually sick is not an innocent mistake. Forcing healthy people to take an untested new medical technology which now is having massive widespread health and mortality effects across the world was not an innocent mistake. Deliberately blocking proven and safe medications that were being used by doctors around the world to treat covid with great success was not an innocent mistake. Threatening medical professionals not to speak against the government agenda under risk of losing their license is not an innocent mistake. Forcing children who did not need the injection to get it on the lie that it stop transmission and save grandma was not an innocent mistake. I could go on with the list of abuses but it was only 4 years ago, I'm sure people still remember.

      Underlying all of it is the FACT that in 2020 nobody new of any people, personally, in real life, dying or getting sick in any greater numbers than any other year (that's not the case since 2021). And now they are using the exact same play-book with their bird flu scam and so far it seems some people are actually falling for it again. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, how stupid am I?

  • Dollar General on 13/06/2024 - 16:09

    Each to their own.

    Covid shots/boosters is like the Hokey Pokey. First dr’s are in, then they are out

  • Herbse on 13/06/2024 - 16:45

    He has stopped taken them because his age and health levels means he's at low risk of serious illness or death from the current versions of covid going around. Cool story. So have billions of people around the world in the same situation, like myself.

  • DiscoJango on 13/06/2024 - 18:30
    +1

    Whats worse than getting your information news.com.au?

    Dailymail.com.au

    • shmoney on 13/06/2024 - 18:41
      +1

      good thing they linked dailymail.co.uk

      • smartazz104 on 14/06/2024 - 12:21
        +1

        Oh that makes it better.

    • EightImmortals on 16/06/2024 - 08:04

      I'm sure the OP was simply using the most normy-freindly source. Plenty of other sources out there.

  • MessyG on 13/06/2024 - 19:00
    +4

    Nick Coatsworth, formerly of Medecin Sans Frontieres, dual trained respiratory and infectious diseases physician and head of general medicine at Canberra hospital…

    …who now spruiks compounded Ozempic? That Nick Coatsworth?

    Jokes aside, your headline is misleading which is no surprise at all for your ilk.

    • May4th on 13/06/2024 - 19:54
      +1

      I almost forgot the eucalyptus chapter. Goes to show everyone has a price and his is not particularly high

    • plmko on 14/06/2024 - 12:12
      +1

      You just can't make this stuff up. But the smooth brains out there will take as the bat signal to start shit posting.

  • scooba on 13/06/2024 - 20:10
    +2

    We'll duhhhh.

    The failure rate was too high which sent all the whack jobs off the deep end saying "it interacts with 5G!!" and all the other whack jobs who were easily guilt tripped and were saying "I have a responsibility to the community", yeah a responsibility to get peri or myocarditis.

    When some of us just wanted to sit on the sidelines and not be blackmailed by either groups of these fools🙄.

  • lonewolf on 13/06/2024 - 20:41
    +7

    I listened to all the advice from the government, Rushed out to get the vacs as well as the booster when it was time for the booster. The booster completely knocked me out and gave me myocarditis, its been years and i have improved but my fitness and sporting abilities still hasnt recovered fully to what they were before the booster and the issues. Till that point, i couldnt understand why some of my friends were fighting with my other friends over vaccinations, but after my experience, I realised as much as i may not agree with everything that my friends who are anti - vax are, they were right about this.

    • mickrb30 on 13/06/2024 - 21:31
      +1

      Yeah, many people in the same predicament like you,
      that trusted the government and the corrupt big pharma studies

      • whyisave on 14/06/2024 - 00:26
        +3

        World governments got played, which is could be why they are embarrassed now, to investigate themselves.

    • ceroau on 14/06/2024 - 07:55
      -1

      Cool story bro, needs more dragons though.

      • Nugs on 14/06/2024 - 07:57
        +2

        dragons have always been cool, even before GoT
        .

    • RolandWaites on 14/06/2024 - 10:58

      How do you know it was the booster that "gave you myocarditis" (has it been professionally diagnosed)?

      Not trying to discredit your story but things like reduced capacity for physical exercise (for want of a better term) were often associated with actually having contracted COVID. Is there a chance it was the virus itself that is responsible for your athletic difficulties?

      • whyisave on 14/06/2024 - 14:12
        +1

        How do you know it was the booster that "gave you myocarditis" (has it been professionally diagnosed) ?

        we don't know what it is, but we know what it isn't

      • lonewolf on 14/06/2024 - 16:54
        +4

        Yes it was after the first couple of GPs were too afraid to say that but said they think its possible that its this or that. Basically right after the booster (the next 3 days) I got a fever which can be more common as a side effect of vaccines, then vertigo and then i started to get the heart issues. At first i wasnt sure what was happening and just thought its some random effect and then people told me i should go get it looked at and so i did. Some GPs didnt know where to point me to or were worried to talk about it But i went to a specialist and they ran all these tests etc.

        • EightImmortals on 16/06/2024 - 08:06
          +3

          You're not the only one, not by a long shot, all the best for your future recovery. A doctor I know was telling me the damages from the injection are cumulative so if you don't any more you 'may' come good eventually.

        • SolitaryMan on 16/06/2024 - 14:03
          -4

          So you doctor shopped until someone told you what you wanted to hear. Got it.

          • EightImmortals on 17/06/2024 - 07:14
            +2

            @SolitaryMan: No, the only ones who told me about it were personal friends, they weren't allowed by the super-medically-qualified politicians to talk to their patients about it. Also, I already had a GP before the operation started so no need to shop around.
            And what would I need to shop around for exactly? Someone who wouldn't inject me with the thing I wasn't going to be injected with anyway?
            And it's not like there weren't literally thousands of doctors world wide screaming from the rooftops.

            • lonewolf on 17/06/2024 - 09:38
              +1

              @EightImmortals: Exactly this, Its not that there was any shopping around, the other GPs would sort of say it but not want to commit fully into anything for fear of any backlash. But over time all the GPs i had been to did come out eventually and say this. Luckily i had some close family who were also GPs and specialists and they were willing to tell me behind close doors what they had been seeing and hearing from other patients and their conversations with other doctors .

              Part of the problem was , there was no reporting system or a one stop shop to go to if you had complications from the vaccinations. The government should have set this up as well as told all the GPs and doctors, this is where you report it and send your patients to. But a lot of the GPs didnt know what to do, they knew it was inflammation or some thing else , and only recourse was to go to a specialist.

              • EightImmortals on 17/06/2024 - 10:08

                @lonewolf: AFAIK there is still no one stop shop to deal with the aftermath of the injections. Most of the people I know who have presented with what IMO were clear consequences of the injection were met with bafflement by the medical profession. Either they are in outright denial that the injection could cause these issues or they kind of suspect that's what the issue is but don't know what to do about it and feel too threatened by the APRA medical-mafia to speak out anyway. There are doctors around globally who are tackling the problems in their own patients and there are groups of doctors forming in Australia who are willing to look at these injuries for what they really are and do their best to help. It's not as easy as curing covid was, but then I guess it wasn't supposed to be.

    • whyisave on 14/06/2024 - 14:11
      +6

      Even if we share our own personal , real-life story, some bot will still 'neg' you.

      ( It would be a bot, because bots by definition do not have the human qualities of empathy or remorse )

      • lonewolf on 14/06/2024 - 16:58
        +8

        Yes, Shame OzBargain has become like that. Or some sarcastic comment because it doesnt fit their narrative. Its funny but all the "pro vaxxers" dont realise that they can be just as extreme as the "anti - vaxxers" and also when they deny everything and keep turning a blind eye to issues they actually play the situation right into the anti - vaxxers protests and theories.

        My experience of going through it all was down right tough, First because i copped crap from antis for not listening to them and i copped crap from pros for claiming i am making it up or that its not from the booster ,its from something else. Fact of the matter is more and more real life facts have started to come out about the vaccinations and effects after.

        • whyisave on 14/06/2024 - 17:11
          +1

          First because i copped crap from antis for not listening to them and i copped crap from pros for claiming i am making it up or that its not from the booster ,its from something else

          we don't know what it is, but we know what isn't

          People formed an emotional, trauma-based bond with their chosen team, through the over-saturation of the ears & eyes with the message, to make the choice "or else".

          And just like the emotional bond, people have with sports team, you cannot break that heart emotional trauma-bond by showing the rational head some facts, eg. the team plays poorly on the pitch (rational fact).

          The head (rational) cannot override the heart (emotional), and the heart cannot reconcile the facts that the head sees.

          It's just trauma-response of being bullied into a particular choice many of us made, and they only know how to bully back and show no empathy or compassion:

          " sucks to be you, bro! "

          more and more real life facts have started to come out

          Watch this…

          https://x.com/MarkNeugebaue13/status/1801249239785210194

    • May4th on 14/06/2024 - 14:31
      +3

      sorry to hear that, vaccine induced myocarditis is a recognised risk of the MRNA vaccines. however COVID19 itself is over 10x more likely to cause myocardial/pericardial inflammation than the vaccine. I suppose it's a different mindset for something that happens to you (when you catch it) vs something you active choose to do (get a vaccine) psychologically but unfortunately sometimes bad things happen

      • lonewolf on 14/06/2024 - 17:00
        +2

        yeah that was one of the tougher things i experienced, you spelt it out perfectly. The feeling that i did this by my own doing and worse because in my close group of friends i had pro vaxxers and anti vaxxers and a lot of fighting in between them, so I copped it from the antis who had told me to not do it and i hadnt listened to them and went ahead with the shots. I should have realised when i had some stronger reactions to the initial pfizer shot 1 and 2, that maybe i should stop there, but i took up the booster as soon as that came available. I regret that part, i still think about it to this day , that maybe after the initial shot 1 and 2, that i could have stopped there.

        • May4th on 14/06/2024 - 18:14

          It's a gamble to an extent..I had the same struggle getting the shot as I actually had myocarditis as a child, fortunately no issues for me

      • bigticket on 14/06/2024 - 17:05
        +1

        however COVID19 itself is over 10x more likely to cause myocardial/pericardial inflammation than the vaccine.

        There is no real study showing this. The 10x is purely derived from modelling/opinion and what does modelling/opinion equal? That right BS.

        • May4th on 14/06/2024 - 18:10
          +2

          Ignorance doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Here's the study if you're interested. 11x to be exact

          https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.…

          • bigticket on 14/06/2024 - 18:27
            +2

            @May4th: These are epidemiological studies. Epidemiological studies do not show causation, they are preliminary studies to shed light for further robust studies to find causation.

            Citing studies like this by you and many others on here to support your ideological claims is plain ignorance of the scientific method. Like I said, BS.

            • May4th on 14/06/2024 - 20:27
              +2

              @bigticket:

              These are epidemiological studies

              obviously, since there's no way to get a RCT past the ethics committee. it's clear you've got your mind made up on the matter and have an agenda to push so there's no point for me to educate you on the scientific method. I'll tap out and wish you a good life

              • bigticket on 14/06/2024 - 21:55
                +1

                @May4th: Of course you can 'tap out'.
                Let it be noted that citing epidemiological studies that do not show causation as fact its disingenuous on your part, but I do suspect you do not understand the subtlety.

                no point for me to educate you on the scientific method.

                I point out your mistake and I need education?

                All the best btw.

        • MessyG on 14/06/2024 - 20:30

          Perhaps you missed the young men exiting ICU apparently improving from severe covid then dropping dead a few days later in 2020?

          • bigticket on 14/06/2024 - 21:57
            +3

            @MessyG: Was it thousands of young men dropping dead or a single case that you sourced form the Daily Mail.

    • Eeples on 14/06/2024 - 14:34
      -1

      … in your case.

  • SteveBuscemi on 13/06/2024 - 23:35
    +5

    My cat's breath smells like cat food.

    • whyisave on 14/06/2024 - 14:13

      SteveBuscemi does RalphWiggum

      • bigticket on 14/06/2024 - 18:29
        +2

        Check to see if its rear end smells like cat food.

  • ceroau on 14/06/2024 - 07:54
    +3

    Some person I never heard of had an article written about themin some bottom tier newspaper about their onions and you want our onions? How about you stop reading such nonsense and grow your own damn onions.

    • whyisave on 14/06/2024 - 14:15

      After a couple of decades, The Onion is still synonymous with satire.

  • meowbert on 14/06/2024 - 08:10
    -2

    I'm happy to get the boosters, we all know it's been a rough start to winter and, lets face it, if you don't get the flu, covid, and various other boosters your so called "herd immunity" won't cover for the fact that your 5g signal is now awful.

  • THICKnSLOW on 14/06/2024 - 08:11
    +2

    How about the morons who are sick but still go about their day doing work, shopping whatever not wearing a facemask and spreading their crap to everyone else?

  • Ughhh on 14/06/2024 - 08:40

    I think the new thing is now egg prices, Big Bird trying to limit supply of eggs for our health and safety!!!! 1!!!1!

    🤓

    • mrdean on 14/06/2024 - 14:47
      -5

      No silly, not Big Bird:

      https://www.arkmedic.info/p/one-flew-over-the-chickens

      "Notice the “spillover” idea where the bird flu suddenly turns into a mammalian high risk pathogen. That doesn’t happen without help of places like the CSIRO. It’s just a thing you see in movies and in labs. It happens in labs because viruses are repeatedly passaged through specific cell types, like the ones that the CSIRO created for this purpose. For example, the “UK variant of COVID” (N501Y) was made this way in 2020."*

      *Gu et al. Adaptation of SARS-CoV-2 in BALB/c mice for testing vaccine efficacy. Sept 2020. This paper showed how you can take a virus and passage it through mice cells enough times in order to pick up a mutation that makes it survive in that species. Following the publication of this protocol, N501Y arrived in the UK. At the time, Astrazeneca were trying to find a mouse model to test their vaccine.
      https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abc4730

      And it gets worse:

      But there are two important things to note at this point

          The “scary” flu strain is H5N1, but it can’t get to Australia unless somebody brings it here - or makes it here

    The not-so-scary one is H7N3, which is the excuse the government used to cull 500,000 chickens.

      The second of these, H7N3, is essentially endemic and so we are going to discuss it in the next section.

      But H5N1 is problematic and given that Australia is naturally protected from it, the last thing you would want is the CSIRO doing live experiments with H5N1.

      Well, it’s too late. Because they already are. From our government report:

      Q: Were any experiments being conducted using live H5N1, H7N9 or H7N3 influenza, or clones

      of these 3 strains of influenza, at the CSIRO during 2021–24?

      A: During the relevant time period, CSIRO staff working in high biocontainment conditions and to strict regulatory measures

      conducted live virus experimental work with a range of H5N1 subtypes to improve our understanding of the virus
      No experiments were done with live H7N3 or H7N9 viruses.

      • MessyG on 14/06/2024 - 17:28
        +6

        Zoonosis (transmission of pathogenic viruses from animals to humans) existed long before the creation of laboratories and it is pretty standard to try out pathogens on animal models to identify treatment targets. You're just picking out stuff and stringing it together in a very scary movie-esque way but it doesn't actually make any sense.

      • EightImmortals on 16/06/2024 - 08:12

        Hey stop with the facts and common sense, don't you know Big Bother is busy trying to ramp up Scamdemic 2.0 : The Famining?

        You vill own nuzing und you vill eat ze bugz dammit!

    • whyisave on 14/06/2024 - 20:25

      It's like the Evergrande (or Evergreen?) ship stuck in the Suez canal, Ukraine war, container ships unable to dock, train derailments, ship breaking a Baltimore bridge, U.S. food processing plants burning,
      culling chickens, .etc…etc. ..

      So many ways to raise the prices of goods and blame "supply-chain issues" but their profits keep going up, even with rising interest rates.

      • Ughhh on 15/06/2024 - 02:43
        +1

        So the Gov or Big Bird profits from killing loads of chickens.?

        • whyisave on 15/06/2024 - 15:07

          Big Bird

          Hahahaha…

  • acersaurus on 14/06/2024 - 09:32
    +4

    I don't understand this article. The government doesn't recommend boosters for people under 65 of normal health. Boosters are an option, not a recommendation for people in his age bracket who are not immunocompromised.

    • plmko on 14/06/2024 - 12:09
      +4

      Yeah but dailymail readers have low literacy ability. So why bother understanding naunces and instead get triggered by key words and twisted facts.

      • acersaurus on 14/06/2024 - 13:03

        Twisted indeed. He's effectively just stating that his vaccinations accord with the standard government recommendations, only for this to be highlighted and scrutinised by an alarmist, misleading article.

    • MessyG on 14/06/2024 - 17:18
      -1

      Yes but we're not allowed to be sensible in these threads.

  • Oofy Doofy on 14/06/2024 - 09:55
    -1

    Seems to be reasonable advice to me. If I had some health issues that complicated things, or I was elderly… yeah I'd get the covid jabs. Other than that, I don't think it's wise (these particular vaccines).

    This was just like Swine Flu 2009 all over again. It's not to say it couldn't have been worse, though. It just didn't turn out to be all that bad.

    • Aureus on 14/06/2024 - 15:50
      +2

      Did you miss the 100 comments saying he wasn't advocating to not get vaccinated?

      • Oofy Doofy on 14/06/2024 - 16:00

        No. I'm just stating what I've come across as per opinons GPs and specialists here in Aus have already explained to me, and various family members and friends.

  • Diji on 14/06/2024 - 12:07
    +13

    HE HAS WOKEN UP _ SAYS HE WILL NOT TAKE ANY MORE JABS - whats your SAY ? ?

    Why do you write like this?

  • plmko on 14/06/2024 - 12:08
    +6

    OP comes and dumps a huge allegation only to provide the source is Dailymail.

    Lmao you just can't make this comedy up

  • zanzir on 14/06/2024 - 13:44
    +1

    LOL

  • Crow K on 14/06/2024 - 14:16
    +5

    These posts are good opportunity for people to nail their colours to the mast.

    If you see a truly wacko "there was zero science behind any of this and it was all the WEF's bidding" post with a few up votes, you can have a peek and find out who's agreeing with it.

    Handy shortcut for the next time you see a comment of theirs somewhere else on here and you're wondering whether to engage.

    • meowbert on 14/06/2024 - 22:53
      +1

      It's not the WEF, it's Bill Gates and the WTO, get your facts straight.

  • Eeples on 14/06/2024 - 14:30
    +3

    My opinion…. Because it’s about opinions.

    New evidence, covid strains now less deadly…. dr has marginally different view now.

    Not sure why it’s ‘STUNNING’

    • Nebargains on 14/06/2024 - 23:14

      Pfft, it was never deadly to the majority of the population. All you have to do is look at the UK and the USA where it spread since the beginning and it was primarily oldies dying, same as it was here, same as it was after vaccines. Sure people from other age groups died but they make up a minuscule amount of deaths.

      • Eeples on 15/06/2024 - 10:23
        +2

        To deny the initial Covid strains killed people or that it only killed elderly people and in some way that made it less deadly makes little sense.

        Your statement is also most likely morally reprehensible.

      • MessyG on 15/06/2024 - 16:40

        Oh you just wait til you're an oldie and hit a pandemic where people like you dgaf…

    • EightImmortals on 16/06/2024 - 08:20

      I think it's because he was one of the main cheerleaders behind all the damage a few years back.

  • NatoTomato on 14/06/2024 - 14:35
    +3

    He also thought the differing approaches among states, and between states and the federal government, confused the public and eroded human rights.
    'I strongly encourage the inquiry to recommend amendment of the Biosecurity Act to ensure that all disease control powers are vested in the federal government during a national biosecurity emergency,' Dr Coatsworth wrote.

    Conservative media will throw all principles about small government out the window if it means dunking on Dan Andrews.

  • massafiri on 14/06/2024 - 16:06
    +5

    First line reads like one of those infomercials targeted to old people
    "Dr Young finds STUNNING weight loss results with the one simple trick"

    Then linking to a post by the Daily Mail. Chef Kiss. Peak 2020.

  • dontboopthesnoot on 14/06/2024 - 18:41
    +4

    Ogres are like onions

    • whyisave on 14/06/2024 - 20:18

      Donkeeey…

  • TightLikeThisx on 14/06/2024 - 19:01
    +1

    Thanks for the reminder.

    Just booked myself in for my 357th booster.

    I can't wait. Never felt better too. I think the people who got pericarditis and myocarditis were just week. They needed more boosters.

    • mickrb30 on 14/06/2024 - 21:03
      -1

      difference in "just week" or did you mean weak ?
      if you squeezed it "week" or weak 357 times, not sure what you mean daily "just week" monthly yearly etc
      yeah yeah "it may felt better too" quoted by you
      why dont you get the booster by the jug , since you cant wait , it feel better to you

      • TightLikeThisx on 14/06/2024 - 21:55
        +1

        Sorry about the misspelling. I meant "weak" as in they were total pussies like the guy in this article.

        They don't offer it by the jug unfortunately. I wish they just made it over the counter. It's less harmful than Panadol. No one ever died from overdosing on boosters.

        • bigticket on 15/06/2024 - 23:29

          Is your middle name pincushion by any chance?

          • TightLikeThisx on 16/06/2024 - 12:14

            @bigticket: No but it might as well be.

            If only I could get acupuncture with boosters.

  • bajillionaire on 14/06/2024 - 21:50

    If you don't want the jab don't get it. You don't have to now. Just please stfu and don't clog up the hospitals if you do take a turn from COVID.

    • MessyG on 14/06/2024 - 21:58
      +2

      I don't understand why people keep posting about this hey. Like it's over, get the jab or not, no one cares.

  • bigticket on 14/06/2024 - 23:55
    -1

    Allow me leave an assessment of the ozbargain commenters on this thread and previous covid threads.
    The topic of covid is very polarising. It is apparent there is a "toxic" culture, as @Chiyoko posted https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/15381075/redir

    "On another note:
    This thread basically confirmed my suspicions about the toxicity of the pro-vaccine movement. I thought I was imagining it, but the first few comments were a dead giveaway about how this thread was going to flow."

    Its the same toxicity in car related incidence posts. Its an instant beratement of an OP for parking 1mm past what is technically allowed. Terms like cookers, nut jobs, tinfoil hats, 5G etc are at arms length to command instantly. Its absolutely fine in my opinion to use these terms provided an counter argument accompanies the insult.
    Invariably no counter argument is provided an this makes you look dumb.

    Another issue is the willy nilly citing of so called studies to support ones ideological stance. Papers can be cited in support, but there is a not so apparent flaw in doing so.

    1. the citers generally have no understanding of the science nor the scientific method and only read the abstract, becoming armchair experts.
    2. These papers show correlation not causation. In other words, opinion based articles, or in terms of reality, the opinion concluded in these studies is generally predetermined by the funding source.
    3. Both sides can produce papers supporting their argument, resulting in a stalemate.
    4. Instead of citing these papers, learn to use robust data, like mortality data and use your own cognitive skills to assess data instead of having someone do it for you.

    Finally there is a psychological issue. Provaxxers suffer a form psychosis. Their objectivity is constrained by their reptilian brain throughout their life, like blinkers that keeps them in a predefined path. They can not absorb information to use rationally and logically. It is dogma that seeds their brain which eventually grows and controls their mindset.

    • whyisave on 15/06/2024 - 00:18

      suffer a form psychosis.

      Did you mean hypnosis ?
      It was a giant Stanley Milgram experiment,
      where conscience and intuition is overridden
      by desire to carry out directives or impose directives.

      Then again, how do you explain the berating of people
      who are sharing their tragic reactions and health reactions ?

      • bigticket on 15/06/2024 - 10:29
        +1

        I did mean a form of psychosis. Its multiple cognitive biases that we all have. Some are inherent and others develop from childhood and is a form of mental short cut to ensure survival, not to delineate the truth. We are all on the spectrum of biases, from mild to different levels of severity. Those that are heavily influenced tend to accept without question authoritarian rule.

        The berating comes from a conflict between the anecdote and their world view, combined with a tribal mindset; you are with us or against us.

    • Gehirn on 15/06/2024 - 01:16
      +2

      It is apparent there is a "toxic" culture, as @Chiyoko posted

      Yeah, your last paragraph is pretty apparent of that, huh?

      • bigticket on 15/06/2024 - 10:33
        -1

        Great, we are in agreement.

    • MessyG on 15/06/2024 - 16:42
      +1

      Mate the "pro-vaxxers" on here aren't the ones posting about AIs forming government, darkfield microscopy and seeing circuits in the blood, or claiming that labs are responsible for zoonosis. In fact, they're not even making posts at all, they're just replying to the ones making these claims.

      But you know, keep on with the "accuse of them of that which you are guilty" schtick we've all come to love from you lot, it's not like we can't spot it a mile away now.

      • bigticket on 15/06/2024 - 17:15
        +2

        There's crazies from both sides. Defining a majority from a few is an incredulous way to discredit the opposition without having a good counter argument on your part.
        "pro-vaxxers" are excellent at berating the vaccine injured and excellent at ad hominem attacks. I personally do not ascribe to any of aforementioned claims, like 5G. circuits in blood, but must admit I have never heard of the darkfield microscopy. If i make a claim, it will be rooted in science.

        • MessyG on 15/06/2024 - 20:08

          Yeah but like I said, none of us are making posts about it.

  • syousef on 15/06/2024 - 05:53
    +3

    We all know the long term Covid response was handled sub-optimally.

    However:
    1. I didn't see the science he was referring to mentioned in the article.
    2. if you criticize someone when they disagree with you, then praise them when they do agree with you, all you can possibly do is confirm your own bias.

    I'd like to see the science and I'd like to see medical researchers who are permitted to speak freely interpret that science. Good luck to me with that.

    • Ughhh on 15/06/2024 - 10:29
      +4

      I'd like to see the science and I'd like to see medical researchers who are permitted to speak freely interpret that science. Good luck to me with that.

      If the "science" agrees with the anti vax = real credible science, fact not opinion.
      If it doesnt = not credible, funded by big pharma, only opinions, were forced to only write good things.

      If the "doctor" agrees with the anti vax = woken up, sees the "truth", has no agenda.
      If doctor disagrees with anti vax = scared to tell the truth, brainwashed and forced by the Gov, can't be trusted.

      If random agrees with anti vax = see's the truth, woke, smart, not sheep, uses critical thinking.
      If random disagrees anti-vax = sheep, blind, brainwashed, doesn't use critical thinking, only source of information is MSM.

      How can you have a genuine discussion with such bias and narrow minded group.

      • Ughhh on 16/06/2024 - 09:44
        -2

        I love how the anti vaxers are agreeing that theyre bias and think binary , probably without realising.

      • May4th on 16/06/2024 - 10:46

        thanks, sums up the thread in a nutshell

  • gakko on 15/06/2024 - 08:36
    +1

    Article doesn't talk about efficacy of vaccines VS current strains or current covid levels in the country or current severity of strains. Just the guy saying nah moit. Sure he was an authority but why assume we suck the dick of authority? We suck the dick of critical thinking and reason.

  • SydneySchnorrer on 15/06/2024 - 08:38

    Did he scream it or is that just you putting your 'spin' on things?

    It's a personal choice and i'm so sick of people clinging to this shit as an identity. The advice was to have the shots at the time, you take it or you leave it, but making it a dividing factor in society was never okay.

    Time to jog on.

  • j24bauer on 15/06/2024 - 08:40
    +2

    yawn….time to move on from 2021 mate.

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