Price dropped to an all time low, beating my previous post.
LR and Performance price remains unchanged.
Prices above exclude on-road costs (varying per state).
Tesla Model Y RWD $57,700 (Was $62,700) | Tesla Model 3 RWD $56,700 (Was $60,700) Delivered + On-Road Costs @ Tesla
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Most who bad mouth the car have never driven one for 10 minutes.
Completely agree. Anyone I know that disses a Tesla is either stuck in the 80-90's and still fanatical about Japanese sports cars (my Honda Prelude Vtech cuzzzzz), or drive a Ute. For the average person, these cars are great, BYD coming to play is also a great thing for the consumer, it has forced Tesla to drop prices.
yes I don't understand the EV haters, what's the worst that can happen if other people buy EV? give you cleaner air and less road noise?
Do you know where minerals to make the batteries come from?
Which minerals specifically?
@Wizard: Australia and Chile produce the most lithium but the specific LFP batteries in the of Tesla and BYD, the majority of the lithium comes from China.
Iron from Australia, phosphate from China.
@starry001: oh the dirty polluting mine argument
because petrol and diesel is so environmentally friendly? at least my children and I are breathing cleaner air at home and on the road
funny how anti-EVers suddenly starts caring about the environment/third world labourers
Do you know where your petrol and diesel comes from, how much extra energy goes into its extraction, refining and transport, and how much environmental damage is involved in these processes?
People who pretend to be concerned about the environmental impact of lithium mining can be such hypocrites at times.
Also, it's worth considering that lithium batteries from EVs are already finding new purposes as a stationary battery at the end of their useful mobile life, and can still be recycled and reused again and again in the future - whereas fossil fuels can only be used once.
EV's are are like disposable items. They won't last 10 year
The evidence already shows this is false. There are plenty of 10 year old EVs still on the road. Apart from a few outliers like the Nissan Leaf, battery degradation has been lower than most predictions.
Hybrid is the future. Look at Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini, Porsche
Sport / supercars have a very different set of priorities than the average passenger car. They're not a particularly useful reference point for the future of mass-market cars.
Having said that, Porsche have done a pretty decent job of their latest EV and the Rimac Nevera is a great indicator of what's going to be possible in the future - it has already out-stripped most hypercars in quite a number of performance measures.
Ferrari etc are trying to hold out longer to keep noise and gear shifts.
This does not mean hybrid is the best solution for majority.
id buy if the range was better
How far do you drive each day?
At least 700km apparently
I wonder if you can ask for a recalc on existing car insurance that's based on market value?
Not gonna happen.
I've done countless quotes and I can't find (What I call) a reasonable price for a premium. So much so I don't think I'd consider a Tesla. (I could see other newer EV's being cheaper until insurers re-evaluate the costs associated with repairs and every EV premium goes up.until insurers re-evaluate the costs associated with repairs
Costs are pretty low?
This version doesnt come with USS (ultra sonic sensors)!
is there a version/MY that does (brand new)?
Might be some in inventory which still has it.
@Heybargain is it better to go with a USS model pre-2024?
@bruceclipse: I have a model Y with USS, we received an update which enabled tesla vision yesterday (we can choose between one or the either).
Having driven around the last 24 hours, I personally prefer USS as it shows distances and it's most likely because it's what I've been used to for the last 2 years. Tesla vision will take a bit of getting used to but it gives more information other than the distance measurements such as any poles etc that you wouldn't previously see with USS.
I will be using tesla vision while driving for the next couple of weeks or so to give it a good run and seeing how it goes. I am sure that it will get better over time.
Until Tesla put CarPlay in the car, they're not even on the consideration list. I'm not using their software no matter how good it is - a pain in the ass to use an inferior system that requires explicit support from developers.
Carplay is only necessary when swapping into different cars all the time
The Tesla UI is brilliant
Our other car has carplay and I find it disappointing in comparisonIMO it really depends on which services / apps you want to use in your car.
Tesla's mapping and navigation integration with the car is excellent, but that's the only thing that's genuinely way better.
If you're an Apple user and also subscribe to Apple's services (Music and Podcasts) then I can see how you might be satisfied since these have native apps now.
However, there are a lot of other services that I make use of in my other car (with an aftermarket head unit) using Android Auto, and IMO it's still vastly superior to Tesla's native experience.
Tesla doesn't support my preferred music service (Youtube Music), they've only just added support for Audible after many years of waiting, and Tesla doesn't allow me to trigger Google Assistant for voice control of my phone, nor does it support Home Assistant features to control my garage lights and doors. I end up using Bluetooth audio most of the time, which is a pretty huge step backwards from CP/AA.
TLDR: Carplay and Android Auto support a very wide range of apps and services and are extremely flexible, which I consider a major advantage. Tesla's interface works very well, but is relatively restricted.
Exactly. What works for some people is not what works for everyone. Longer term, if Tesla are dethroned in the EV market, we can expect support of even current apps like Apple Music to falter. Just because we can find workarounds doesn't mean we should for such an expensive car. Hence why I crossed Tesla off the consideration list. Adding CarPlay support is not hard, Tesla are needlessly excluding buyers like myself for no reason than to push proprietary software. I hate vendor lock (a little ironic considering my problem is in itself a product of vendor lock, I know).
@khell: Something that often isn't mentioned is that services like Apple Music, Audible, Spotify evolve over time, and Tesla has to update their apps in concert with those changes or their apps become less and less useful over time as they become less compatible.
In contrast, both Android Auto and Carplay get "updated" as the connected phone gets app updates, so they're never out of date and get every new feature as they are released.
My only gripe with lack of carplay/android auto is the lack of Waze.
Love the app and the fact it lets you know of upcoming hazards, stopped cars and hidden speed cameras.
I know some people mount their phones beside the centre screen and run Waze.
You won't need CarPlay or Android Auto in Tesla. I was like you until I tried and there's no going back now.
Tesla wrath incoming!
ok at $50k, i am taking the punt!
Not low enough below 35k more like it.
Nahhh, like 25k ayyy
Haha maybe in 10 years
You will struggle to find even a second hand Tesla under that
Is there anyway for a Victorian to take advantage of the Queensland $6k subsidy if you know someone there?
Probably be too much hassle taking into account transport, changing the registration/stamp duty etc but $6k is a nice bonus.
Would like to know this as well
And how about the household taxable income requirement?
"have purchased a new eligible ZEV up to the dutiable value of $68,000 (including GST) on or after 21 April 2023 and have a total household taxable income equal to or less than $180,000 per year; or"
Ask them to buy the car and then give you the keys?
This seller has updated the price 27 times since listing 😂 with the most recent edit yesterday.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2024-tesla-model-3-…
Why would you take sales photos with all your own crap in the car, especially if you are selling it “as new”.
People have no idea.
The drivers seat knee foam on the centre console got me good.
Volvo must be dreaming trying to sell its recently released EX30 for 60K.
Volvo is a luxury car brand. Try to get an equivalent BMW or MB for less than the EX30.
Who told you that? Volvo? Its luxury gone long time ago.
EX30 is in no way better than Telsla 3: in built quality, features, safety, etc. All from personal experience of driving both.
Giving in Europe EX30 is 10K cheaper than Tesla Y, selling it for more in AU is a rip-off.Not the EX30. The interior looks like its made from old drink bottles.
IT IS made out of old drink bottles. Super plasticky.
Went and test drove the EX30.
Interior had a nicer feel than the Tesla 3, in terms of finishes and materials. A lot more options on colors, materials etc as well.
Exterior looked more modern and funky.
This is where the advantages stopped.
Interior is really cramped. It is a much smaller car. Me and my father in front were at times rubbing elbows/shoulders. Both of us are 190cm men, but it still is definitely a small car.
It is the only ev car where I have experienced the seat being too low to the floor. My knees were really high up. Really limited back seat room as well.
Boot was tiny in comparison.
You have to pay extra for electric seats. Electric seats are a must for myself, as both me and my wife would be driving the car, and having to manually adjust the seat is an absolute pain in the ass, especially as our seating position is vastly different.
Front soundbar of the volvo is nice in front, but a real let down in sound in the back.
Back screen is a no brainer for kids.
There’s 40 used Model Y Rear-Wheel Drives on carsales. Only 3 are below the cost of a new one. Lol.
Tell them they are dreaming son.
Tesla is chopping prices so quickly that existing owners selling theirs need to check Tesla's new car price on an almost monthly basis and adjust their own.
With the 6k QLD rebate its tempting . Also recently had a 13kw solar system installed its starting to make more sense to move to an EV. I personally think the model 3 looks nicer but the practicality of the Y i think makes more sense for the wife. Anyone owned both with a recommendation?
Haven't owned but buy only buy if you intent to keep it for 7+ years. Depreciation and ongoing price cuts will make you lose so much moolah on these.
my wifes car i tend to keep longer, shes currently in a 2018 kona suv which we are starting to find a little small. Mind you its only done 30,000kms.
See if you can test drive both and then decide. We went from a 3 to a Y to accommodate the growing family. Keep in mind the 3 doesn't have stalks if that's going to bother you / the mrs. But both great cars.
But isn't there a combined household criteria as well?
under 180k household 6k
over 180k household 3k
Model Y update will be coming up. I would be getting the already updated 3.
Depending on our experience with the 3,once the time comes, we may end up trading the Rav4 for an updated YAny idea when the update is coming?
No, just speculation but from what I have read it will be similar style update to the 3.
Updated aero, back seat screen, but hardware predominantly left as is.
Essentially a highlander style facelift. Could be as many as two years away if you look at release dates of the 3 vs the Y.
What people think about "Enhanced Autopilot"? Is it worth the money? Does it work seamlessly?
Nah not worth it imo. But you can test it out and if you don’t like it get a refund within 24 hours.
$61,169 DRIVEAWAY as of today, thats a whole $1,531 cheaper from 4 days back.
If you go through inventory, not custom order, it looks like the base y is available for 54900 + on roads
Test drove a Model Y today. +40 stock of the older hardware version being sold at $54k plus costs. Not worth it. Didnt enjoy the driving experience apart from the straight line speed. The car feels very heavy and a nightmare to park.
Sounds like the car isn't for you, which is perfectly fine.
How can you tell what you're getting?
What's the difference?
Salesperson said old stock was Hardware 3 and new was 4. He reckoned 3 is better than 4 but I didnt understand what it was or why.
Of course it's heavy. It's lugging a 771 kg battery everywhere.
Somebody is going to be a multi-trillionaire sometime in the future - the bloke who can invent a better battery.
The car IS heavy. It's weight, low centre of gravity and chassis construction is the reason it's one of the safest cars on the road.
I have the old 3. I am a convert to evs. We are getting BYD Seal premiums in July which is about $6k less to 3 long range. I prefer the interior and instrument cluster & less Road noise. Apparently the new Telsa is faster to charge though. The prices on BYD Seal are fixed but apparently my employer got member benefit deal on finance etc by buying 4 via our professional association.
What year?
2024 BYD Seals . There's a 2.5 month wait.
Thoughts on what you expect the 3 will resell for?
Regarding the less road noise, are you comparing the Seal with the older 3 or the new Highland 3? The new Highland 3 is significantly quieter than the old 3.
It's great the prices are coming down. I'm waiting on the BYD Sea Lion 07, but no idea when that is coming to Australia.
Possibly Dec 2024, but more likely early 2025 at this stage
Hopefully it will be cheaper than the Model Y
Is that a PHEV?
I did a test drive of the Tesla model Y and the BYD Sealion 6 (PHEV) last Saturday. I thought I was set on a BYD, but honestly in person there was no comparison between them. Leaving aside the difference between an EV and PHEV. Found the BYD styling very average compared to a Tesla. Finish felt much cheaper than the Tesla. Found the dash and centre console area to feel cluttered compared with the Tesla. BYD really just felt like any other car out there, Tesla definitely felt like something unique and premium. YMMV
Your description sounds like you prefer the look of Model Y over Sealion 6, which is subjective. As for the centre console and instrument cluster, sounds like you don't like Sealion 6 because it looks more like conventional cars, rather prefer the minimalist look in Model Y, again this is subjective.
@edfoo: Agreed very subjective to taste. We had never driven a Tesla before, so there was probably a bit of shock factor of how different it was compared to the standard vehicles. I actually preferred the sealion exterior styling (which is why I was bullish on the BYD going in), it was the interior difference which really made an impact. I actually think the sealion will be very popular, which is why I thought we'd get in a test drive it so early before we put a deposit.
Where you say the BYD’s styling very “average” others might say the Tesla styling very “lacking”
@proudwanderer: Yep, 100% agree. The terminology is very subjective. I guess it's really in the eye of the beholder, but if I was to sum it up as a feeling I was left underwhelmed by the BYD. Whereas we came away from the Tesla drive with the feeling that we 'd driven something that felt exceptional. Again, only my wife and my opinions based on driving them back to back. We're coming from a Mitsubishi ASX 2012 so either would be a considerable improvement.
@StrategicMess: What about the complete lack of a dashboard and/or heads up display and the only thing visible is the centre console - where you have to move your head to check the speed, and fiddle around with a touch screen to change air con settings etc instead of physical buttons?
How do you find that from a usability perspective?
I'm concerned all that head turning to check speed and fiddle around with other stuff will detract from concentrating on driving.
Much easier with a HUD and/or physical buttons
where you have to move your head to check the speed
Absolutely not true. You move your eyes down, just like a normal dashboard - just down to a different spot. It's mostly a muscle memory thing, and quickly becomes 2nd nature. In reality, the speed is displayed large enough, and at the top of the screen - I can see it in my peripheral vision most of the time.
That said, I love a glass-projection HUD and I wish more cars had them.
touch screen to change air con settings
I agree that this is not ideal - as I've said elsewhere on this thread, I would prefer hardware buttons for the basic A/C controls. But at least the the location on the screen is easy to predict (right at the bottom so you can't hit other stuff instead), the temperature can be adjusted with a quick tap or swipe rather than a more complicated procedure - it's pretty easy to do without looking with a little experience. You can also use voice control - which is very reliable, even if you feel like a knob doing it.
I don't find that I mess with the climate controls much while driving anyway - the auto setting works really well and integrates nicely with heated seats and wheel.
I would point out that this is hardly the sole preserve of Tesla. Plenty of more traditional cars have displays, buttons and knobs for random things in places where they're either difficult to operate by feel, or need you to look down substantially to view - eg. the controls for seat heating in my work car are particularly poorly placed, and despite using them every day for weeks now, I still can't seem to get it right the first time.
Tesla is like Apple, form over function.
Apple OS - single mouse button
Apple iOS - single home button (no back or app switcher)It's all subjective and a personal choice. Eventually I'll do a test drive of both to see whether I can adapt to no buttons, dedicated cockpit display or heads-up display or indicator stalk.
Tesla is like Apple, form over function.
Hard disagree.
The interiors of the Model 3 & Y are very well designed - highly functional, practical and work equally well for both left- and right-hand drive. Instead, they've done a ground-up review of all the traditional features of a car interior, started with a clean sheet and come up with their own idea how it should be. And in a lot of ways, IMO they've absolutely nailed it.
Instead of a semi-random array of small displays and rarely-used buttons that just take up space and create visual clutter, all of those things have been moved to the screen - they're nearly always set-and-forget functions anyway, and a few simple icons allow you to see their status.
Where all of those buttons and displays would have been, Tesla have provided spacious storage bins, and 2 convenient phone chargers.
Instead of fiddly air vents that are rarely touched and often break or rattle, the vents are built into the dash and remember the settings from last time you drove.
Instead of multiple screens and displays for the various functions, there's a single screen that does everything - and unlike a lot of other cars, it actually has the grunt to handle everything that you can throw at it - the touch response is accurate and performance is unmatched. The interface is highly streamlined, well designed with appropriate touch targets and it has an excellent search function if you can't remember where to find stuff. There's a ton of whimsical and outright silly functions too, which you can either enjoy or totally ignore if you prefer.
Instead of having lots of single-purpose buttons on the steering wheel for various functions, there are 2 x 4-way wheel buttons that are context-aware and controls lots of different functions - mirrors, wipers, cruise control, media volume and track control, and doubtless a bunch of other stuff too.
You may not agree with all of these design decisions but to say that they prioritize form over function is just plain false.
For what it's worth, I don't agree with eliminating the stalks - I think that's a step backwards. And if I had a choice, I'd also like to see hardware controls for controlling some basic HVAC functions - fan speed, temperature, recirculate and defog would be nice.
@klaw81: Agree with klaw81. Tesla cars have lots of functions, probably more than other EVs, just that the way you operate them is different from conventional cars. Lots of things done through the central screen, works well for a lot of functions, but others not intuitive e.g. opening the glovebox. I think if given the choice of indicators on stalk or indicators on steering wheel, most would still choose on stalk.
Funny I've had the exact same experience. We put a deposit down on the Sealion before taking both cars for a spin, and we ended up buying a Model Y. The Sealion was a great car, and we'll miss the cooled seats and awesome 360 camera - but the technology, the supercharger network, and the whole not having to buy petrol thing, was hard to pass up. Plus we just discovered Origin Energy's new EV charging system for Tesla's which has been working great at 8c/kWh.
It would be good if the EV companies themselves provide insurance quotes well.