Interface: SPI
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TPM IC: Nuvoton NPCT750
TPM Version: TPM 2.0
Pin Dimension: 14-1pin
System Requirements: Windows® 10, UEFI OS
Dimensions: 16mm x 13mm
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It might be worth noting the purpose of this is to allow computers that otherwise meet the hardware requirements of windows 11 except for TPM module to install windows 11.. unless I’m wrong
No/yes you're not wrong.
I considered installing this to my old motherboard when Win 11 was first out, but the prices were like $35 or so.
Just used the Microsoft option of install with noncompliant motherboard.
Hard to see the value, but for $2 YMMV.I doubt even this will let you install windows 11 without the non compliant option. I have a 7th Gen Intel Dell XPS that has a TPM 2.0 module and windows 11 still cracked it…
Doesn't Windows 11 need 8th Gen at least ?
Before purchase, please double check
- your motherboard does not already have a TPM built into the UEFI BIOS, and
- the pinout of the motherboard TPM socket is compatible with this module.
If Microsoft were sensible they'd give these away with copies of Win11
That said your average Joe/Jane would have slim chance of assessing need/compatibility and installing.It's motherboard dependent. Motherboard makers don't have a standard for TPM connector. Asus might have 2 different TPM connectors (or could be MSI).
Need to make sure it is compatible with the motherboard. It is unsafe to buy it for non-Asus boards. Even for Asus boards, still need to check.Also, most motherboards released after 2017 and CPUs released after 2017 already have TPM feature. This is mostly for old motherboards.
Pretty much all CPU's that are supported by Windows 11 have TPM built in already. The main thing people don't realise is that they need to enable it on their PC in UEFI/BIOS if they built the machine themselves.
Is there any local stock for a 20-1 pin module, I think its called TPM-L?
I have a ROG MAXIMUS VII FORMULA and will probably need to buy one from Ali
just a psa for anyone who doesn't know anyhthing like me. (its so cheap though so people still probably gonna buy)
I just did a quick search about my computer and Win11 is just not about TPM. the first result to does "my computer support tpm-spi?" is "No because it requires 8th Gen CPU or newer. mine isnt. sadge. 😭
Ive been putting off buying new PC and consoles and instead saving up for a new system built from ground up with AIPU's. so I can run AI based programs way faster and more efficient than any GPU's. why? just to troll people. I do think its the smarter investment though compared to buying something ancient for AI right now. Im feeling the squeeze though ever since I read an article that said Win10 is gonna stop getting updates soon. so I almost bought a cheap Win11 system. but that few hundred saved is going to go further I think with AIPU's. hoping prebuilt AIPU systems are going to released soon and I can afford it 🙃
A CPU with NPU is mainly to improve AI inference. For AI training, a consumer grade CPU with NPU won't rival GPU. Furthermore, for heavy AI work, consumer grade GPUs won't be sufficient. A commercial grade H200 has up to 1.1TB of VRAM. 4090 Ti has only 24GB VRAM, even if 5090 Ti doubles that, you are looking at 48GB VRAM.
Furthermore, currently, this gamble on NPU (which will occupy some space in the CPU) doesn't guarantee success (AI is still a bubble currently). If you don't know the reason behind why TPM is made mandatory for Windows 11 (it is a bit complicated, and it is not all good for consumers) and being hooked on AI marketing, you are likely get tricked by next gen CPU marketing materials.
you are likely get tricked by next gen CPU marketing materials.
ok thanks netsurfer good to know. I should be very cautious whenever there are AIPU options available. tbh I was just betting on people getting those systems first and seeing results (test? benchmark?) before buying.
all I know is nvidia should be betting big on ai running hardware (but I think Grok was first ?) based on the simulation stuff they were showing and I was expecting them to be coming out with all kinds of options that would make GPU running models seem ancient. (at least for consumers)
No, it's going to be just like CPUs have been. There will be newer generations of CPUs coming. Expecting the first gen of NPU being included consumer CPUs in the next year or two being amazing for a long time is unrealistic. The CPU makers also need to decide how much space to sacrifice to accommodate the NPU.
You already have people who are tech savvy and into AI (but not into gaming) buying high end consumer GPUs. That situation will likely continue. nVidia pushing more ray tracing performance is basically increasing bits which help AI work (but there is no free lunch, rasterisation performance improvement is likely not going to be as much).
in the next year or two being amazing for a long time is unrealistic.
oh no not in the next year. still need to do years of saving. I was thinking maybe 5 years or more.
yeah nvidia will milk GPU's I get that. but also I heard buying compute on google collab etc has gotten more and more expensive. so Im thinking they are trying to make bank before people can buy AIPU systems?
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Wait 5 years because of the AI hype? There are already AI based features which require subscriptions. This super duper consumer CPU in 5 years time that's awesome for AI makes no sense. nVidia is leeching on big companies. AMD and Intel are trying too.
@netsurfer: I mean all I want is something thats designed to do the job in the first place.
one thing everyone saying "stable diffusion is free" don't mention is how much a TOTL graphics card costs or how many watts it will use and add to your power bill if running 24/7.
I am willing to wait and pay more for something thats designed from ground up to work together efficiently and so faster but using less power (or much faster but the same power). I say AIPU system because I think everything will be redesigned to be optimal, I dont care if its designed by AI or completely soldered together or whatever I want it.
I don't think this is some magical chip btw. just a redesign of chips and surrounding hardware for a few certain types of tasks. so I don't think it's impossible.@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Try to get up to date with technology if possible. Don't get fixated with stable diffusion. This you will catch up and leapfrog people in 5 years time is basically day dreaming. You should at least try stable diffusion (you don't need to have a powerful GPU, there are other ways) so you will understand it is still a toy and has a long way to go to be actually useful.
@netsurfer: yeah well it must be obvious by now all I know is you can run uncensored LLM on your machine right now. I just know you can run it I haven’t actually run it. 😂
yeah technology is hard just think I will stick with the consumer end user stuff for now. also don’t want to get any trouble by doing a deep dive because of my trollish personality.
I just like the idea of jumping into ai programs in the future. I was thinking they will be way different from what they are now. kind of like running future Adobe after effects software etc but ai powered. the idea of jumping in with zero experience and playing around with stuff like that appeals to me. and I think in the future 5-10 years I just assumed you will need the latest AIPU type of system to run these latest interesting programs.
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: So what you're saying is, because you want to run AI programs in five years, you aren't buying a computer to run AI programs today ?
What ?
That makes no sense at all, you've got 5 years in which to be running AI programs right now ! Buy a machine and get started. Doing nothing for 5 years is bonkers, AI might be a past fad by then !!!
@Nom: because I think I will get more hardware and I need to save up for it anyway (can’t afford powerful gaming pc with RTX right now and my current GPU takes an hour to upscale one image - fans spinning noisy and everything probably high watts consumption). I guess I am always thinking of the long game.
as netsurfer said the programs out there right now is not that impressive compared to what might be possible later. like have you seen those “this is currently the most impressive deepfake video” it looked terrible 😂
Sora video generation was also probably the best I have seen so far but far from usable.
I’m also aware that people have a tendency to see more of themselves in things separate from them than there actually is. forgot what it’s called but people like to think dogs see the world the way we do, and like to play along as if they are more like us when they are not.
so people see ai as “human like” or like to see similar things to themselves in ai just like being a typical dog owner.
if AI never reaches that impressive ability maybe I will just buy a 2nd hand car instead?I guess I am always thinking of the long game.
There is no "long game" in technology - things are obsolete quicker than ever before.
If you have a tech itch, then the best time to scratch it is always right now.
Is Win11 worth installing?
No
If this is to be able to install Windows 11 consider ditching Windows all together and switching to Linux. I've been using PopOs for almost a year now and I'm glad I made the switch.
It is only needed if you don't have an Intel 8th gen or better CPU or an AMD equivalent and you cannot be bothered use the workaround.
Secure Boot is introduced partially due to Apple's introduction of T2 in its Macbook (interestingly starting with Intel 8th gen). However, Apple did continue to support Macbooks without T2 for several Mac OS releases until the most recent Mac OS.
If you have a PC that supports Secure Boot (and you want to keep it running), when you want to install Linux, you will most likely need additional signing keys to your BIOS firmware.
It is only needed if you don't have an Intel 8th gen or better CPU
so if you get this you don't need any other system requirements for default install of Win11?? because I thought I needed 8th gen CPU even if I get this TPI-SPI module.
I don't want to use workarounds I read somewhere it is a broken way of installing Win11.
Yes, and partly because any system with an 8th gen Intel CPU has a fTPM. This item is really just a toy. Sure, it is reasonable to whinge about Microsoft's decision to enforce SecureBoot and 8th gen Intel CPU or better (though there are ways to bypass both). However, considered Apple Silicon's performance, honestly, PC users should move towards at least 12th gen CPU (or AMD equivalent). Intel really slacked off for years.
@netsurfer: thanks. then I can search if its compatible with my computer released in 2013. and if not maybe I can find one with the correct pins.
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: I think it depends on your particular CPU and MBO configuration. I have an intel 8th gen CPU and an ASUS MBO. Based on what I read, the MBO should be TPM ready but after several days trying to make it work through BIOS I gave up and bought and installed a TPM module for about $15. Reconfigured BIOS and after a few reboots all went well and I upgraded to Win 11. This was last year so have forgotten most of what happened.
Edit: I think the MBO manual said it was TPM ready but I couldn't find it on the board itself - just vacant pins. So I guess when they said TPM ready, it meant a TPM could be installed if needed rather than meaning it was already installed and can be switched on.
@Transient: yeah I think im gonna get back to researching this another day. I can't find the pins. anything thats got 2 rows of pins side by side is either labeled M.2 or USB.
its an off the store shelf prebuilt computer so that might have something to do with it. but will have another go at looking and researching again. I mean my system has been falling apart but have managed to fix it with cheap parts so it keeps working. major stuff like power supply and stuff is still working. but I recently shoved in a WiFi card (was using ethernet to extender until now - system didnt come with WiFi) and it stopped being able to power USB devices through 0.5m USB extension cable. but TPM here $2 upgrade maybe what $10 upgrade if I have to find another one, well worth it to keep using this system.
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: What CPU and MBO do you have? There might be some writing somewhere on the MBO.
There might be some writing somewhere on the MBO.
yeah thats what I mean the labels are on the motherboard. (M.2, USB etc) I will have another look later in the week with a proper flashlight. (its very dusty )
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: No I meant the MBO might have writing which says what brand and model it is, eg, I have the ASUS B360M-A. It is actually written on the MBO itself (see the pic). https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/pr…
Also, if you go into System -> About, it should say what CPU you have installed, eg, Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz 2.81 GHz
I have the same impression as you. I had read that you needed 8th Gen or later and TPM 2.0 to pass the Win 11 readiness test. If your CPU is older than 8th Gen then you can still install with a workaround but it might crash. Workaround
Win 10 will still be supported to Oct 2025 according to that link. So you can wait and upgrade then.
@Transient: I read 8th gen and TPM 1.2 is the hard limit.
but netsurfer says Win11 can be installed with no work around using this add on TPM module. and based on talking to them in the past they seem very knowledgeable about computers.
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: @harshbdmmaster718 @Transient - there are a couple of officially Microsoft-provided registry keys that disable the hardware checks - if you want to keep running Windows on your existing hardware, then add the two keys to the Registry and go ahead and upgrade to Windows 11.
You'll need to do this anyway next year, when Windows 10 stops receiving security patches, so you may as well go ahead and do it right now.@Nom: ok I don't think I have heard of that method yet.
if they are officially provided by microsoft maybe it's a way of them quietly saying that Win11 doesn't need the latest hardware to run properly?
also if MS provided those keys, maybe towards the end of Win10 support they will just enable Win11 to install using the method you said above automatically.
well it definitely interests me because free is free and $10 is $10 if I have to find a TPM module (which I haven't even confirmed yet there is one for my PC).tbh doesn't sound hard (installing keys) but I had a lot of trouble with a broken Win10 update recently. the one where you had to increase windows backup restore partition size through command line to allow the update install. I followed the official MS instructions line by line, and I could not get it to work past the 2nd or 3rd step. like just no response from command line. I made sure to follow each step from the beginning perfectly and attempted 3 or more times. same result. in the end the update somehow installed itself successfully in the background (MS just fixed the update pack)💁♀️
if they are officially provided by microsoft maybe it's a way of them quietly saying that Win11 doesn't need the latest hardware to run properly?
Correct.
also if MS provided those keys, maybe towards the end of Win10 support they will just enable Win11 to install using the method you said above automatically.
Definitely not. The official system requirements remain in place.
@Nom: sounds sus to me. like because chip tech is moving so fast, PC's are probably staying "faster" for much longer. well at least it explains why my 11 year PC and CPU are still perfectly fast enough for running basic stuff like OS etc.
sounds like they are forcing people to upgrade hardware early when it's not necessary. and not just one piece of hardware but many requirements! conspiracy!
I understand TPM does improve system security though. but everything else like 8th gen CPU.. really?
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Cool. Should be no harm in trying it then. Just remember to backup / image your important data first! Good luck and please report back in case someone else is also interested!
Just remember to backup / image your important data first!
yes always. I back up files regularly and always do it before doing something big.
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