PS5 compatible SSD at a great price! I don't have personal experience with this model, but it's currently being recommended by IGN so must be decent.
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arriving next week from amazon jp. how do you check? i'm guessing from your comment that Maxio1602 isn't good? elaborate a bit perhaps.
One of those people
In the current market, and given that it is through Amazon AU, it is a reasonable deal. Comparison deal is from 7 months ago:
Lexar NM790 SSD: 2TB $129, 4TB $255, 1TB $65 Delivered
For most people, they are likely quite happy with Maxio 1602 as its Crystal DiskMark results look nice. To check, the easiest way is to run the Maxio flash utility. Other people bought the same SSD so just wait for them to test.
Should be able to tell you on Monday afternoon. Expected delivery of my 2TB then.
I received 4TB variant last week. They show as "MAXIO Technology (Hangzhou) Ltd" in TrueNas Scale. I don't know how to get the controller information and I don't more detail in CrystalDisk Mark
4TB is Maxio 1602 based (confirmed by multiple OZBers).
You need to add the size to your title.
Cheers, I actually had it in there originally but I clicked "accept" recommended format and it must have removed it…
I generally don't do the accept thing so I haven't really had to deal with those shenanigans.
I just learnt my lesson haha
any cheap 1tb for laptop?
You're an AI, shouldn't you be able to figure that out yourself?
(PS. I'm a console man so can't help anyway sorry!)
Heard this one got DRAM cache then placed order for the 4T version. It arrived last week. The available space shown as 4.1TB; so far so good.
All the reports from OZBers indicate Verbatim did component swaps on both the controller and the flash. A better type of NAND flash is used, but an inferior controller is used (Maxio 1602 and it is a DRAMless controller). No DRAM on the version you received.
I don't have that SSD, so the closest equivalent I have is NM790 1TB. An OZBer posted his result of your drive and is better than my NM790 1TB result (that's expected):
People initially thought it would be InnoGrit (+ DRAM) + YMTC 128L:
Silicon Power XS70 2TB, InnoGrit + YMTC 232L
The ironic part is the XS70 2TB I received had a component swap as well. Was hoping to get Phison E18 + Micron NAND. Ended up getting InnoGrit + YMTC 128L. InnoGrit I have no issue, but I cannot stand YMTC 128L so I returned it to Amazon and got a refund.
Umm what's the conclusion then, good deal or better 2tb available for the price?
My subjective view:
I know there are people who cannot stand YMTC NAND so I thought it is best I pointed that out. I have Phison E21 and Maxio 1602 SSDs. In general, most people will find Maxio 1602 based SSDs perform better. The actual issue isn't Phison E21, it is more SSD makers don't make E21 based SSD too great (because a lot of them sell Phison based SSDs with DRAM so they want to entice you to buy them).
However, for people building high end PCs, they are likely more comfortable with flagship PCIe gen 4 x4 SSDs with DRAM (which means Samsung 990 Pro, Crucial T500, WD SN850X, Seagate 530, Kingston KC3000, or Solidigm P44 Pro). However, do bear in mind, for those flagship SSDs, you should aim to get at least 2TB ones.
@netsurfer: Thanks, as a true OzB I might wait until June then, just find myself uninstalling unfinished games to make space sometimes
@gfunk zero: If it is for quality of life improvement, you could consider getting one now. Looks like this one and MP44L you found are two of the cheapest 2TB SSDs right now. This one has heat sink. We are talking about $15 difference (NM790 2TB $129 was the version without heatsink, the heatsink version was $10 more). Amazon's after sales service is better and you can't do much with $15 nowadays with the inflation post Covid.
I am only speculating that retailers and SSD makers will budge and run a few promotions closer to June. I am guessing Amazon AU (through offering Amazon UK, US, JP deals) will have a decent chance offering some SSD deals.
'Heat sink and DRAM cache for extreme performance.' This is what I read from their official website. Not sure if this statement is true or not. I can disassemble the heat sink and see if there is DRAM on PCB shortly.
Endurance (TBW): 700 TB
Does this one have dram cache guys? Thanks
You need to wait till Monday when some OZBers receive theirs (purchased earlier). If I have to guess right now, I would say there is a high chance it is Maxio 1602 DRAMless based (so no DRAM).
From the results I posted above (do bear in mind, the 2TB and 4TB versions of Maxio 1602 based SSDs should perform better than 1TB) vs the DRAM version (InnoGrit based), you can see Maxio 1602 can actually win over InnoGrit is some cases.
This review claims that it has a DRAM cache. But unless Verbatim did a controller swap since the review was made.
"The Verbatim Vi7000G features a DRAM cache that will give write speeds a boost and quoted read speeds of up to 7,400MB/s. Write speeds on the box are up to 6,700MB/s."
are these heatsinks any good? do they serve any purpose? what will happen if I don't put a heatsink on my ssd? will its life shorten?
Depends what you're gonna use it for and how hard you're gonna push it. For PS5s, the recommendation is to have a heatsink due to the load and how hot it would run without one.
If I want to put one in my computer, for games drive, do I still need a heat sink? I have 16GB of RAM.
Its more of a heat spreader, because NAND likes to be warm, and controllers like to be cool. Some SSDs you can even watch accelerate as they heat up.
So by having a nice metal plate on top, you're creating thermal mass and keeping everything more stable at a mid range temp.
There is certainly cooling in play on gen4 too, since all components can get shockingly hot stressed to max speed.
Life can shorten somewhat at extreme temps if you're keeping it stressed for long periods like running a database or compiling code frequently.
How does it compare to this team group mp44?
https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/hard-drives-&-ssds/solid-state-drives-(ssd)/106264-tm8fpk002t0c101
Write speed:
Team = up to 4,400 MB/s
Verbatim = up to 7400 MB/s
Also doesn't look like the Team has an inbuilt heatsink.
That Verbatim spec is for the V1 SSD. This is going to the V2 with the inferior Maxio 1602 controller (DRAMless controller). There's no way it will reach 7400 MB/s.
So the info in the Amazon listing is incorrect?
EDIT: Just saw your other comment that they're only quoting read speed.
@bdo207: Yes i guess because they don't want people to know the poor write performance that this with the inferior controller has. As in you know an SSD has poor write performance when the manufacturer won't quote the write performance.
@hollykryten: Thanks for the info, thats pretty scummy of Verbatim , further up netsurfer says to go with the mp44 or wait for better deals in June
Supposedly this SSD is Innogrit IG5236 controller based and it has a DRAM cache. The DRAM is made by Micron. It has 4 x YMTC SYMN09TC1B1RC6C 3D TLC 4Gb NAND Flash chips. It says so in this review.
"The Vi7000G features DRAM cache and an Innogrit IG5236 controller to offer blazing fast speeds. The DRAM chip is made by Micron and has an 8GB DDR4 density. Verbatim has used two of these chips on this SSD to offer even faster speeds."
https://www.enostech.com/verbatim-vi7000g-pcie-nvme-m-2-ssd-…
But unless they did a controller swap since the review.
It's been reported that the 4TB version (shipped from Amazon Japan) definitely has the Maxio 1602 controller. So it's a certainty that the 2TB version will have the same controller. It's a controller swap to an inferior performing controller and yet keep the same model number. How confusing. It has no DRAM cache so the write performance suffers. It's no wonder Verbatim only quotes the read speed and not the write. Glad i'm not buying this.
I've gone through all that in my comments above. While I cannot provide the exact SSD benchmarks (because I don't own these Verbatim SSDs), I have other SSDs with the controller + NAND configurations.
NM790 1TB - Maxio 1602 based + YMTC 232L
Silicon Power XS70 2TB, InnoGrit + YMTC 128L
You can see that Maxio 1602 does quite well in Crystal DiskMark and it is no longer true that PCIe gen 4 x4 DRAMless SSDs cannot take the fight with DRAM ones in a short to medium type of workload. Sure, DRAM SSDs are still more consistent and do better in high queue depth mixed usage. However, at low queue depth, DRAMless can really do well, especially when tested through apps like Crystal DiskMark. NM790's dynamic SLC cache isn't too bad either. DRAM SSDs also rely heavily on SLC cache.
The latest gen DRAMless controllers for PCIe gen 4 x4 doesn't hold back to give DRAM ones better result and the 232L NAND flash does utilise PCIe gen 4 x4 bandwidth really well.
The Verbatim box in the ad is showing write speeds up to 6400MB/S
That would be a stock photo of the box of the V1 version release. The one which came with the best controller.
Maxio 1602 + YMTC232L at 2TB definitely can do more than 6400MB/s sequential writes, see e.g. https://www.servethehome.com/fanxiang-s880-2tb-pcie-gen4-nvm… or look at the plenty of user review results published for all those different drives on AliExpress.
The 4TB version does achieve 6400MB/s max sequential write with Maxio 1602 + YMTC 232L so it is possible 2TB is able to do the same (confirmed by an OZBer). However, InnoGrit wins in that particular type of test with 6700MB/s.
Verbatim Vi7000g 4TB - another OZBer was nice enough to post this. I have not sought his permission to re-post his results. Do note that the second last row of his tests is Random 4K Q64T8. My ones, I picked Q32T1.
So, Verbatim is smart enough to optimise the write performance higher to get past 6400MB/s, but the max read is a bit slower than NM790. Do bear in mind that max write speed is SLC cache write speed, not TLC write speed. However, all SSDs nowadays cheat in max sequential write tests with SLC cache.
Hi!
Based on these results, do you think it is good enough for a PS5?
Is Dram used only for writing or also for reading?
Thanks
@alescorpio: It's good enough for PS5. The SSD I am using for my PS5 is slower than this (too lazy and too much hassle to change).
DRAM does affect read as well. Also, on PS5, m.2/NVMe DRAMless SSDs are not able to use HMB (i.e. borrow some system RAM to compensate for not having DRAM).
2TB is here and installed. What program do I run to see what controller/chips it has?
There's a tool called SSD-Z. The app description says it shows what the controller is. It gets the info from a database. Let's hope that the info about the SSD is in the database. I don't know how accurate it is.
SSD-Z didnt have it in the data base. Neither was my Kingsotn drive.
The Maxio version of VLO should work http://vlo.name:3000/tmph/maxio_nvme_fid.rar
If the Maxio version doesn't work, try the InnoGrit one. http://vlo.name:3000/tmph/innogrit_nvme_flash_id.rar
If it still doesn't work, have a look at http://vlo.name:3000/ssdtool/ and try something else, maybe Phison
I've never used any VLO utility myself but it's what Gabriel Ferraz https://www.techpowerup.com/301313/announcing-the-techpoweru… and NewMaxx https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/comments/16fguqo/fanxiang_s… generally recommend.
BTW, if you don't trust me, maybe you trust netsurfer https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/14992726/redir
Will get a chance tonight. Thanks for the app links.
If you don't mind, run the VLO apps mentioned by Nil. Maxio one first. If it is not able to detect it, then try InnoGrit.
Maxio: http://vlo.name:3000/tmph/maxio_nvme_fid.rar
InnoGrit: http://vlo.name:3000/tmph/innogrit_nvme_flash_id.rar
It will be great to know the controller, HMB size, and the NAND flash type. Current guess is: Maxio 1602 + YMTC 232L.
Will get a chance tonight. Thanks for the app links.
Hi, can you please share also the read/write test results?
Thanks
Sorry. It's in a gen 3 port so it won't run full speed. If I get a chance to put it on the gen 4 port I will, but not likely.
Thanks anyway!
Purchased.
Model : Verbatim Vi7000
Fw : H230827a
HMB : 40960 - 40960 KB (Enabled, 40 M)
Size : 1953514 MB [2048.4 GB]
LBA Size: 512
Firmware id string[0C0] : MKSSD_101000000136833100,Aug 1 2023,22:16:21,MAP1602,1SSYBA4C
Project id string[080] : r:/1602-YMTC-X3-9070-All-Capacity-Base-SN12699
Controller : MAP1602
Disappointed, but not surprised.
Thank you very much, does it show you the NAND type? Hoping it shows YMTC 232L. YMTC 232L is better than YMTC 128L.
I know you would prefer DRAM + a better controller under heavy load, but you get better NAND.
Ch0CE0: 0x9b,0xc5,0x58,0x71,0x30,0x0,0x0 - YMTC 3dv4-232L
@netsurfer so what does this mean? Does this mean YMTC 232L can put up a fight with DRAM SSDs? What program can fatboy74 use to test the speeds
@deskii: It means YMTC 3D Xtacking3.0 (basically: v3 = 3D Xtacking 2.0, v4 = 3D Xtacking 3.0). It is known that Xtacking 2.0 has old data read issues. So Xtacking 3.0 is good. I haven't seen any 232L Xtacking 2.0 (Xtacking 2.0 doesn't make sense since 232L is the current gen).
232L has bandwidth advantage over 176L NAND. This can offset its controller being slightly weaker (higher latency). Think of it as DDR5-6000 CL40 vs DDR5-5800 CL32, which one is faster? The 232L NAND could technically pair with a more powerful controller (so think of it as DDR5-6000 CL30), but this is an exercise to reduce cost so it needs to use a cost effective controller and not have DRAM.
As for put up a fight against DRAM SSDs, it is complicated. Majority of DRAMless SSDs, when running on Windows, use HMB (borrow some system RAM). When HMB is large enough, it runs like an SSD with DRAM. Therefore, you need to have DRAMless SSDs running into a situation where HMB allocated is insufficient. Those are generally database server or file server situation or you have a lot of mixture of reads and writes of files (especially small files). However, unless you have a flagship SSD with DRAM to compare against, are you sure you are able to tell?
Most people are generally happy with these because in general usage, the use of HMB (40MB in this case) and its bandwidth advantage really impress. However, if you intend to use these for really heavy computing (i.e. servers), then you might still prefer SSDs with DRAM.
@deskii: Fatboy74 already explained why he has not posted any speed test result. He is using this as a secondary SSD and it is connected to a slot that only supports PCIe gen 3 x4. To properly test it, the SSD needs to be put into a PCIe gen 4 x4 m.2 slot, preferably a slot that's connected directly to the CPU.
@netsurfer: Thank you for the insightful analysis. You are definitely a guru in this area. I think for the normal everyday gamer like me this should suffice. What program would I be able to use to test the speeds once i get this
@netsurfer: This is correct. I might find the time and the energy to test it in my 4 x4 slot over the next few days, but my system is running great and I hate tinkering unless I have too. Hopefully someone else who purchased the 2TB can post some results.
Thanks OP.
Received mine today. Installed onto PS5 showing read speed of 6500MB/s.
Same here and box matched that of the ad on amazon with write speeds
Fast delivery too - stated 18 march but arrived 8 march
@netsurfer there's your answer
On PC, PCIe gen 4 x4 m.2 slot, wired to the CPU, the max read speed is expected to be around: 7400 MB/s. Write speed is around 6400MB/s. That's factoring Maxio + YMTC combo. However, those are max speed.
It's normal for PS5 to report lower read speed. Some OZBers just want to know the actual test results.
SSD makers are good at component swaps. For example, there is an SSD model which was originally TLC, after the maker swapped to QLC, it still managed to achieve the rated read speed and the write speed (because max rated write speed is SLC cache write speed nowadays).
OOS I think
Would it be possible for someone with experience to chime in?
Is Macrium reflect 8 a good tool to clone win11 GPT, the mainboard has 1x m.2 slot. I have a usb-c m.2 enclosure.
Or backup and restore?
Or suggest another software tool?
I should of had this verbatim drive on 08/03/2024 but something went wrong with the local delivery service.
Orderable again although delivery estimate is a month away
Anyone bought one of these and received it already? Is it Maxio1602 based (basically like Lexar NM790)?