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[Waitlist] $7000 Off 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E (Basic Models), Starting from $72,990 + On Road Costs @ Ford Australia

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[Waitlist] $7000 Off 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E (Basic Models), Starting from $72,990 + On Road Costs @ Ford Australia
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E5TOQUE on 07/12/2023 - 15:19 ford.com.au (8821 clicks)
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Ford Australia has dropped the price of the Mustang Mach-E by up to $7000

  • 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E Select: $72,990 (-$7000) (This is the pick of all the models in my opinion)
  • 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E Premium: $86,990 (-$4675)
  • 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E GT: $104,990 (-$2675)

State EV Rebates

  • Queensland = $6000
  • South Australia = $3000
  • Western Australia = $3000
  • Tasmania = $2000

Power/Torque

  • Mustang Mach-E Select RWD: 198kW / 430Nm
  • Mustang Mach-E Premium RWD: 216kW / 430Nm
  • Mustang Mach-E GT AWD: 358kW / 860Nm

Battery Chemistry

  • Mustang Mach-E Select: 71kWh LFP Battery (Can be charged to 100% repeatedly with little degradation occurring)
  • Mustang Mach-E Premium: 91kWh NMC Battery (Likes to be charged to ~80 - 90% day to day, only charging 100% for long journeys)
  • Mustang Mach-E GT NMC 91kWh Battery (Likes to be charged to ~80 - 90% day to day, only charging 100% for long journeys)

Know your battery packs! LFP vs NMC

I'd recommend educating yourself. Youtube is a good place to start.
This is another reason why I would choose the Mach-E Select grade over the others.

LFP has no cobalt or nickel. See how this stuff is mined and by who (its done by children in a lot of cases).
LFP can be charged to 100% over and over again with little degradation occurring.
LFP has heavily reduced thermal runaway issues

Range

  • Mustang Mach-E Select: 470km
  • Mustang Mach-E Premium: 600km (When you factor in that you need to limit day to day charging to 80% on the NMC battery fitted to this car, it's the same day to day range you would get in the cheaper Select model. You just have the option of longer range on the odd occasions you charge up to 100%)
  • Mustang Mach-E GT: 490km

For people looking for an EV SUV that is similar in size/price/equipment to the Model Y, but don't want to buy a Tesla, this has now jumped to second place in my humble opinion.

Mustang Mach-E Select grade seem to be the one to go for as it comes just as fully equipped as the Model Y RWD, with a few extra things you can't get in the Tesla like:

  • Blind Spot Monitoring
  • Park Assist
  • Rear Cross Traffic Alert
  • Surround View Camera
  • Apple CarPlay
  • Android Auto
  • FordPass connectivity included for free (Tesla ask you to sign up to the $9.99 a month subscription)

There are extended wait times across Ford's model range. Please contact your local Ford Dealer for updated information on current availability.

For more information on the price drop and all the equipment see the article here:

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2024-ford-mustang-mach…

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  • Shaquille Oatmeal on 07/12/2023 - 15:22
    +14

    Cool looking car.

    I just don't think we have the infrastructure up and running to be an electric vehicle nation yet

    • E5TOQUE on 07/12/2023 - 15:23
      +27

      Tesla and BYD would beg to differ.
      I think the Tesla Model Y is one of the highest selling SUV's in Australia?

      It's worth noting that Telsa has opened up ~60% of their Super Charging network to other brands to use now too. As they add more, they seem to be opening them up.

      • edfoo on 07/12/2023 - 15:28
        +47

        Of course Tesla and BYD beg to differ because they want to sell more of their EVs. We need more charging stations, especially in more regional and rural areas.

        • urahara on 07/12/2023 - 15:43
          +15

          Chicken and Egg Problem

          • fredz0r on 07/12/2023 - 17:29
            +4

            @urahara: Chickens don't eat eggs, they lay them. EV's don't lay electricity, they eat it.

          • edfoo on 07/12/2023 - 17:49
            +2

            @urahara: Like Kevin Costner said in a movie: "If you build it, they (he) will come."
            A lot of car owners have "range anxiety", especially in a big country like Australia. So if there are more charging infrastructure already in place, then more people will feel more confident in owning an EV.

            • GregRust on 07/12/2023 - 22:27
              +6

              @edfoo: Range anxiety is a load of nonsense. An EV with 300kms range would be more than suitable for 90% of people, 95% of the time. People love to think that they have the ability to go on a long road trip, but how often do they actually do it?

              For those that genuinely need more range, maybe EV range and charging infrastructure just isn’t there yet and now is not the time for you to buy one.

              • edfoo on 08/12/2023 - 13:53

                @GregRust: I agree with 300km range is adequate, but different people have different level of anxiety, similar to other types of anxiety in life. Just because you don't worry about 300km range, does not mean other people worrying about it is being a load of nonsense, it just make you appear lack of empathy to how other people feel.

        • smartazz104 on 07/12/2023 - 16:54
          +3

          Some of those areas don’t even have enough petrol stations.

        • ruprectaus on 07/12/2023 - 17:14
          +2

          Why ? The vast majority of car trips are under 10km, just charge at home will suit most people nearly all the time. Much like with your phone.

          Sure, they might not suit some folks but that vast majority they will.

          • edfoo on 07/12/2023 - 17:54
            +7

            @ruprectaus: Another issue is with those people living in an apartment where they couldn't install a charger in the underground car park or off-street parking. Good luck trying to manage their day driving their EVs to charging stations.

          • fprjet on 08/12/2023 - 10:12

            @ruprectaus: Under 10K, I think thats a stretch, so you're saying people are paying less than $20 a week on petrol because they do less than 100k a week. Maybe under 50k daily Monday to Friday, but weekends different story… wifee goes from, Moorabbin to Maldon/Bendigo.Dalesford etc almost every weekend.

      • Rail Rider95 on 07/12/2023 - 15:28
        +2

        And as a result, using Tesla superchargers for a non-Tesla vehicle ends up more expensive per km than an ICE vehicle

        • enigma48 on 07/12/2023 - 15:37
          +12

          The vast majority of AU EV charging (I think I saw 80% quoted somewhere?) is done at home, but the superchargers are good when you care about charging speed over everything else.

          If you've got solar panels, it can be 90% cheaper to charge at home (In Vic, we'd give up a pathetic 4.9c/kWh solar FIT vs ~60c/kWh for superchargers) so obviously most people charge the cheap way most of the time.

        • PerthectDeal on 07/12/2023 - 15:54
          +4

          It is approx 30% more to charge on non Tesla car with Tesla supercharger.
          Typical $35 to charge a Tesla and $45 for a non Tesla.Still cheaper than an ICE car.
          Also EV can have a free full 'tank' on start of Journey (solar excess) and sometimes at destination (Airbnb/motel).

          • RockyRaccoon on 07/12/2023 - 21:39

            @PerthectDeal: No solar excess in the morning, the excess doesnt start until after the car is on its way to work.

            • PerthectDeal on 08/12/2023 - 00:15

              @RockyRaccoon: Yep if aways away from your house during the day this applies.
              My situation,, my car is always charged on solar excess with charge HQ app linking inverter to the car. Do 14,000km per year.
              If I take car to city, all the car parks I use have free charging.

      • whyisave on 07/12/2023 - 15:29
        +4

        Tesla Model Y is one of the highest selling SUV's in Australia

        TIL Model Y is a SUV.

        • klaw81 on 07/12/2023 - 16:02
          +7

          Everything is an SUV these days……it's a marketing thing.

          • whyisave on 07/12/2023 - 16:04

            @klaw81: SUV A sport utility vehicle (SUV) is a car classification that combines elements of road-going passenger cars with features from off-road vehicles, such as raised ground clearance and four-wheel drive.

            There is no commonly agreed-upon definition of an SUV and usage of the term varies between countries. Thus, it is "a loose term that traditionally covers a broad range of vehicles with four-wheel drive."[1].

            Some definitions claim that an SUV must be built on a light truck chassis; however, broader definitions consider any vehicle with off-road design features to be an SUV.

            A crossover SUV is often defined as an SUV built with a unibody construction (as with passenger cars); however, the designations are increasingly blurred because of the capabilities of the vehicles, the labelling by marketers, and electrification of new models.[2]

            • klaw81 on 07/12/2023 - 16:26
              +11

              @whyisave: SUV is a dumb term that's effectively meaningless.

              Tesla's own marketing material calls it an SUV. Various publications and reviewers also call it an SUV.

              Call it whatever you like, I don't care.

              • buckster on 08/12/2023 - 07:57

                @klaw81: They might as well just call them Sit-Upper vehicles

      • BlueGlowOne on 07/12/2023 - 15:36
        +3

        Tesla and BYD would though.

        EV has been hyped for the last several years and Tesla are starting to own the market but like most tech it will take at least three generations before it is really there.

        Staff where I work have so many issues with the charging network around the city; other drivers unplugging the chargers and placing it in their own car, faulty charging stations, charging station costs, extended trip times.

        For home owners and businesses who have their own chargers, batteries, solar and those who do short trips it is great, but for the majority the convenience of hybrids right now are hard to beat.

      • R4 on 07/12/2023 - 15:50
        +3

        Most people charge at home and use their EVs for commuting.

        Manufacturers may 'beg to differ' but that doesn't change the fact that EV charging infrastructure is just not ready.

        • Naigrabzo on 07/12/2023 - 16:51
          +3

          Even if the infrastructure is there, who wants to download 10 apps on your phone and try for 10 minutes to pay and get the thing to start charging.

          Then you have to wait 35 minutes to get 80% range!

          All this after paying $72k.

          • R4 on 07/12/2023 - 18:08
            -5

            @Naigrabzo: Yep. I will get an EV when they are viable, efficient and affordable and the infrastructure is in place - I reckon2030 onwards.

            When an EV:
            Can be charged from 10% to 100% in 5 minutes
            Wait time for a charger is no longer that 5 minutes - 95% of the time
            Can be driven off-road and on the beach
            Costs under $50k

            then I'll buy one.

            • Naigrabzo on 07/12/2023 - 18:11
              -4

              @R4: Also need 1000km range. These ranges are piddly.

              • R4 on 07/12/2023 - 18:13
                -1

                @Naigrabzo: Maybe not 1000km but 600-700kms is more practicable - and then charging to 100% must not take more than 10 minutes from pulling into the servo to driving out.

                • tunzafun001 on 07/12/2023 - 21:49
                  -1

                  @R4: Dont need servos or waste 10min any more.
                  Plug it in while you are working, shopping, kids sport, at the beach, sleeping.
                  Its a mind shift. 10 min charging isnt needed in metro area. Outside I say yes, because I do a few 1500km trips and a quick charge on the move would be good.

          • furythree on 07/12/2023 - 19:08

            @Naigrabzo: the people who can afford it, dont drive more than 50kms and charge at home

            • RockyRaccoon on 07/12/2023 - 21:46
              +1

              @furythree: 2 things, if they only drive such short distances as you say, why bother the price of fuel is negligible. Plus charging at home costs. If they have solar thats only available if its charged during the day.

              If they have a home battery thats taking from the savings they could make from using excess power, thats being used to reduce grid purchases.

              Not as simple as it seems.

              • thrillhouse on 08/12/2023 - 07:56

                @RockyRaccoon: I know it's the status quo of this website to to constantly think in economic terms, but it may shock you to know that some people by EVs for other pragmatic reasons such as minimising the impact on our environment.

              • buckster on 08/12/2023 - 08:01

                @RockyRaccoon: If a person is only making shorter trips e.g 40km a day, then they could just wait till the weekend to charge up.

                I'm sure I read there's some tech imminent (or here? I dunno) where some cars may also be able to double as a home battery of sorts, which would be fairly useful for the ultimately fairly negligible long term effect they might have on the car battery life

                • RockyRaccoon on 08/12/2023 - 12:30

                  @buckster: Yes you are right, but also using the cars battery to cahrge the house needs to be managed as that means its not available for the car.

                  Like everything its not just 1+1 there are like other things eg Interest earned vs savings made, means tax to be paid.

                  @thrillhouse - of course you are right, but this is a bargain site, so advice was given those looking at bargain/savings aspect.

                  Keeping also in mind the environmental impact isnt just reducing the emissions in Australia its all the world wide impacts of building car and infastructure to do that. Also a car doing very little mileage would mean very little impact as most of ICE impact is the fuel it uses.

                  With a World wide shortage do we really want these cars not being properly utilised sitting in someones garage, so they can feel good, when others could be saving the environment driving it more than an ICE car

              • furythree on 08/12/2023 - 18:35

                @RockyRaccoon: not everyone buys things for most cheapest cost/value

                shocking i know

                and its a fallacy to require EVs to be perfect/the best/most efficient/best value in every scenario to be viable
                in the same way that nobody does the same thing to ICE cars anymore, but did when the first car was invented. "my horse goes 1000 miles on a full stomach!"

                if someone really wants an electric vehicle, theyll just buy it. Gas mileage/cost etc will have no relevancy in that subjective scenario

                • Duff5000 on 09/12/2023 - 00:06

                  @furythree:

                  and its a fallacy to require EVs to be perfect/the best/most efficient/best value in every scenario to be viable

                  Yep. Some of the things people bring up are completely absurd. Its like saying nobody should get the new Nissan Z because you cant fit a pallet of cement in the back.

          • tchcrat on 23/12/2023 - 01:46

            @Naigrabzo: Shows your total ignorance and metathesiophobia and nothing else. I won't blame you for that and it was not a new problem. Was with every generation and generations change.

            Once people start getting used to plugging in at home and office and once the generation who is more comfortable using app in a phone or other new gen technologies overtake this fraction of population will be frowned upon like we do to people who still can't use a smartphone or mobile phone.

            And then software in cars like tesla is already so advanced that the trip planner in GPS accessible in the car itself will chart the trip including the pit stops for charging and refreshments for almost all the popular routes in the east coast and it is getting better day by day and so will the charging network.

            And once used to EV, then there is no going back. Ask any existing EV owner if in doubt.

      • UltimateAI on 07/12/2023 - 16:18

        Charge port is in the wrong location to use most of the Tesla Supercharging network.

        • Buyingcrap on 07/12/2023 - 17:20

          What? Who (profanity) that up?

          • Naigrabzo on 07/12/2023 - 18:11
            +1

            @Buyingcrap: Ford is renowned for their bad decisions…. Ask Sandy.

            • Buyingcrap on 07/12/2023 - 20:57

              @Naigrabzo: I mean… Elon is not known for being that insightful either.

      • Hackney on 08/12/2023 - 08:51
        -3

        @E5touqe.The US has the same issues in regards to infrastructure of charging stations(fact).EV sales are tanking over there big time.They are not the answer @ this present time.There needs to be more research into them, there are more negatives than pluses.Plenty of info out there to look at.Why is it that Ford,GM,Stellantis are pulling back on the manufacturing of EV’s? They have huge stock reserves that they cannot sell, the majority of buyers are going back to petrol & Hybrids.

        • klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 09:26
          +1

          This is absolutely not true, although there seems to be a concerted effort among certain groups to push this narrative. Monthly sales stats show that EVs are still gaining market share in the US, but car sales in general have shrunk as the economic conditions tighten, especially among the more expensive markets where most EVs currently sit.

          The big US manufacturers are a bit conflicted, in they typically make more profit per unit sold from their legacy ICE products (rumour has it that Ford currently loses money on every Mach-E sold, on average).

          However, you will see that EVs from brands like Hyundai, Kia, Tesla, Polestar/Volvo etc are still selling in relatively high numbers.

          • Hackney on 09/12/2023 - 08:38
            -1

            @klaw81: @klaw81, the info is out there in black & white on a few platforms.Inventory stocks are very high in regards to EV’s, dealers are in financial stress with them,Tesla has around 90 days supply, Ford much higher.The US government is pushing subsidies to get people to purchase them.If you research you will find I am actually correct.I have no issue with them @ all, just pointing out a few facts.We need a mix of propulsion methods,whether it be EV,ICE, Hybrid,PHEV or Hydrogen(which @ the moment there is a lot of ongoing development)You are correct in the fact that Ford are losing money on every Mustang E that is sold.The majority of EV makes are holding fairly high inventory stocks.It seems to me if one dare criticises an EV owner or points a few facts out they take it as an insult or just turns a blind eye to the facts.I mean how dare anyone criticise an EV? ICE has a lot of failings as well,they are far from perfect.I am open to all forms of propulsion,it is exciting times we live in!

      • bargainerpro on 09/12/2023 - 05:46
        -2

        For for thought: Charging stations mean nothing is Australia's electricity generation capabilities throughout the whole day don't increase.
        Sadly, I don't see that happening yet.
        We're heading to a California situation, where EVs are pushed, and then the grid can't cope and they ask you to stop charging your car…

    • snoopydoop on 07/12/2023 - 15:28
      +35

      Honestly, average person's car use they don't really need infrastructure other than access to a powerpoint at their residence or workplace.

      Roadtrip to most common destinations can be done with a tiny bit of extra planning. And if really needing to go somewhere where it's not possible, and you're rarely doing it, it's not exactly a huge expense to just hire a more suitable car for a few days.

      Obviously if your lifestyle involves driving interstate constantly 5 days a week then perhaps not for you yet, otherwise if just driving around the city, pair it with this and enjoy.

    • barge-in hunter on 07/12/2023 - 15:28
      +7

      To be fair, I think most people buy EVs as their second "city bound" car - with the idea of home solar charging.

      Perfect range for around town and shorter day trips, but still a reasonable amount of metropolitan charging infrastructure for the odd times you get caught out.

      • entropysbane on 07/12/2023 - 15:44
        +2

        Yes my corporate dormitory suburb Tesla 3 has replaced BMW 3 series as the commute car of choice, the “family” car still being an X5 or a Merc E series. Mostly lease I expect.
        And there seem to be a lot of them, my two neighbours have model 3s. Both only charge on weekends during the day. Their daily drive is probably only 18kms return. It does take planning.
        Yet to see a Mach E in the wild, the mustangs around here are still real ones, usually GT V8s.

      • tchcrat on 23/12/2023 - 01:55

        Not really. Most of the tesla owners are single car owners and many living in apartments. Just join some EV owner online forumns and alleviate your anxiety. One of my friend who recently bought a Mercedes Benz EQC trading their petrol car was just relying on public chargers when they were in Sydney. Now they moved to Cairns and he is still relying on Public charger but feel the pain as unlike sydney and melbourne there are not many chargers up there. But then he got a big house compared to the apartment he was renting in sydney. So it's just a matter of installing a plug point and if needed a Solar on subsidy.

    • the-fuzz on 07/12/2023 - 15:30

      maybe it depends on where you live - in central Sydney - I swear every 2nd car is electric

    • mwblink86 on 07/12/2023 - 15:30
      +2

      We have 6 different charging stations from different company's in my small country turn 400kms from Melbourne.

    • 0 0 0 on 07/12/2023 - 15:31
      +9

      But everyone has a mains power point at home right? Probably not feasible if you're in an apartment but for the bulk of people in non apartment situations not sure why a charging network is needed for 80% of use cases

    • Phantomsurfr on 07/12/2023 - 15:33
      +12

      One tip I've learnt from reading comments is that 99% of charging is done at home. So perfect for the urbanites who do the occasional long distance travel.

      Yeah, no one expects ol mate from the outback 400km from nearest town to switch over, but the metro people are losing reasons for not considering the swap over on their next purchase.

    • sunnyc on 07/12/2023 - 15:42

      You don’t have electricity at home?

    • PerthectDeal on 07/12/2023 - 15:43
      +4

      Infrastructure will grow with demand.
      A guy in Perth just got back from a lap around Australia in a Tesla. This was his 4th time as well. The first time 5 years ago was difficult, now a breeze with so many fast chargers, he done it in 10 days

    • Franc-T on 07/12/2023 - 15:52

      Mabye, But I see a ton on the roads nowdays

    • team teri on 07/12/2023 - 15:59

      It's quite easy: not every car can be electric right now. But many more cars than are electric already can quite easily be accommodated with the existing infrastructure.

      If we start out with all families that have off-street parking and own more than 1 car, almost all of them could replace all but 1 car with an EV and make it work without much hassle.

      The savings from not having to buy petrol ever, and lower maintenance, make it worth the slightly higher price tag, without even having to consider the environmental benefits of reduced air pollution and emissions.

    • tariqsaleem on 07/12/2023 - 16:11

      The thing with EVs is that the need for Infra as not as great as ICE. most of the charging happens at home unless you plan to travel long distances regularly. That would be a small population but for anyone who mostly drives 50-100ks per day just home re-charging is enough. For the long distance trips you def need to plan better but its manageable to honest. I havent felt it too much personally. I wouldn't get an EV if I was travelling very long distances very regularly though.

      • R4 on 07/12/2023 - 18:12

        It's not currently manageable.

        You couldn't drive from Perth to Exmouth (a common holiday route) in an EV - and then use that EV for common holiday activities - beach driving, camping, off-roading etc. It really is not viable and will not be viable for many years to come.

        • Naigrabzo on 07/12/2023 - 18:15
          +3

          The advise apparently is to just hire another car after you'd paid 72k already. Ho hum!

          • R4 on 07/12/2023 - 19:05

            @Naigrabzo: Yeah, that's ridiculous!

          • webmonkey on 07/12/2023 - 20:26
            +4

            @Naigrabzo: It's a thing mate and not just limited to EVs… I have a petrol car well over that amount and I rent a SUV when I camp with the fam usually twice a year. I buy cars that suits me for 99% of my driving requirements and rent for the rest.

            • DaiShan on 08/12/2023 - 09:52

              @webmonkey: Oh wow, I didn't realise that was a thing. How much does that usually cost?

        • tariqsaleem on 07/12/2023 - 18:55

          Beach, camping and off roading will also not apply to your standard Camry etc too :). Doesn't mean those are useless as well

          Always buy based on your usage pattern and requirements.

          I would personally just rent for that once or twice a year scenario. If you do those activities every month then obviously an EV or any non 4x4 is not for you for sure

          • R4 on 07/12/2023 - 19:13
            -3

            @tariqsaleem: The vast majority of Australians who travel long distances for leisure do so in an SUV, genuine 4x4 or a dual cab ute/truck (well, normal Australians do, maybe not city folk from Sydney and Melbourne - the majority of who just survive, not live) - and EVs in these categories are non-existent of eye-wateringly expensive. Trying to holiday in a Camry in 2023 is an exercise in discomfort and not much fun. Rental 4x4s and dual-cabs are jokingly expensive.

            EVs in 2023 are city cars. End of. And will be so for another 10 years or so.

            • tariqsaleem on 07/12/2023 - 20:40

              @R4: Yup, but there is still a market for Camry otherwise it wouldnt have been the highest sellingcar in Aus for so long… similarly there is still a market for EVs for the right person. And the lack of infrastructure is really not an issue with the ability to charge at home etc. Infrastructure will also only keep on getting better and so will thr tech advancements

            • Nom on 08/12/2023 - 14:02

              @R4:

              normal Australians do, maybe not city folk from Sydney and Melbourne

              EVs in 2023 are city cars

              You do realise 80% of Australians live in the major cities ?

              And yes these normal Australian city folk want city cars - if the remaining 20% want to stick with petrol cars then what's the problem ?

    • Drakesy on 07/12/2023 - 16:34

      People had the same argument when cars first came out that there were no petrol stations, within 10 years everyone was driving a car and something like 5% were still on horseback, we're going through the same transition. As soon as EV's are on par with ICE vechicles in price the number of charging stations will go through the roof,

      Oh and the elephant in the room is that you can charge at home using your own electricity, so it's not even like you'll need to go to the service station every other day.

      • Bobby Hill on 07/12/2023 - 18:25
        +2

        People had the same argument when cars first came out that there were no petrol stations, within 10 years everyone was driving a car and something like 5% were still on horseback, we're going through the same transition.

        Always nonsense in the comments section.

        It took over 50 years for the transition to be had, and that is not including the tail end. And with EV's it will rightly (and obviously) take time, especially in Australia given our geography.

        Looking at the current timeline, the first full consumer EV's was introduced ~2008. That is already 15 years.

        Any transition will see bumps, and they shouldn't be ignored; they should be fixed.

        • Drakesy on 07/12/2023 - 18:35

          Always nonsense in the comments section.

          You have evidence?

          *Apologies 30 years not 50 to go from 0% to 100%

          And i'd debate that we're about 13 years in with 90% uptake in 7 years time. The trends are being replicated as we speak.

      • R4 on 07/12/2023 - 19:17
        +1

        No we're not. A car in 1900 was stupidly expensive - and was in 1910 as well. Cars only really became affordable for the masses in the West in the 1950s and 1960s.

        EVs will have their day. That day is not now.

        • Nom on 08/12/2023 - 14:27

          EVs will have their day. That day is not now.

          But you just said in the other post that EVs are suitable for the 80% of Australians that live in cities 🤷🏼‍♂️

          That's more than enough for the EV market to do just fine.

    • greennick on 07/12/2023 - 17:02

      Nation, no, of course not. Very few countries have that infrastructure. However, they certainly work well in the city and as a daily/second car, with the gas powered for holiday trips and towing.

    • chuq on 07/12/2023 - 20:03

      Do you drive an EV and know where the charging stations are?

      Someone from Perth recently drove his EV on a lap around the country - completed in 10 days. Some parts were slow charging, but there was continuous fast charging, after leaving Camooweal (far west Queensland) all the way down the eastern seaboard and back towards the west, until his next slow charge which was at the Nullarbor Roadhouse.

      • R4 on 08/12/2023 - 15:40

        All good when there's one EV, but what happens when 20 EVs turn up at the Nullarbor Roadhouse at the same time? A Tesla supercharger is 250kW. Put 10 of those in and that's 2.5MW. Say, you go for half of that, 1.25MW, where's the electricity coming from? You could build a solar farm and battery, but how much is that going to cost? $20m? $30m? It would be in that ballpark. You'd also need a backup diesel generator. That's big candy.

        It will be 15-20 years before we can realistically drive around Australia in EVs at scale. Until then, it's a news headline.

        • kwalikum on 08/12/2023 - 20:13
          +1

          It's always the same, tired argument. The point is simply that the vast majority of aussies are not driving across the Nullarbor! Only 2% of the population live in remote areas. If that happens to be you, or you like taking exceptionally long driving trips, then don't buy an EV - it's clearly not for you.

          Why spend your time trying to convince others that they shouldn't either? That it couldn't possibly work for anyone until we have the infrastructure to do laps of Australia?

          I've driven more than 60,000kms in an EV and I've only had to use public chargers twice for a top-up that took less than 10 minutes. I charge at home or at my destination.

    • Rob-4x4 on 08/12/2023 - 08:26

      It is getting there .

      There is this map that EV evangelist love to quote but it is very very deceptive…

      https://www.plugshare.com/map/australia

      Lot of these sorts of dodgy listings

      "Power point inside the toilets. You will need a 3 meter power lead"
      "Bbq area rest stop with playground and public toilets. Double 10 amp weatherproof PowerPoint on bbq.
      Extension lead required."
      "20Amp 3 phase Contact CSM on 08 8956 xxxx in business hours to discuss access"

      But that being said I think EVs are a no brainer for people in urban areas as a daily drive who can afford one.
      I would buy an EV tomorrow as my daily drive around town if I could afford one, but I would still have to keep the old landcrusier to tow the caravan or for remote are touring. But I am sure in time EV tech will improve to better cover those use cases.
      But unfortunately I cannot afford to drop $70K on a EV sedan with decent range.

    • Murkymerv on 08/12/2023 - 22:45
      -2

      Nothing's as funny , seeing a diesel generator powering a Ev charge station !
      Your certainly be "saving the planet" ….

    • Apue on 09/12/2023 - 09:26

      Exactly. I wonder how the apartment residents charge conveniently.

      • Nom on 09/12/2023 - 10:37

        They don't.

        The beauty of electric cars is that you can charge them at home and never need to do anything other than this. Your car is always charged and ready to go.

        But if you CAN'T do that, then an electric car is not for you. Only using none-home chargers would be a colossal pain.

  • hopper on 07/12/2023 - 15:22
    +6

    Auto drive? Want to send my MIL to great ocean drive alone in the car

  • Broos on 07/12/2023 - 15:23
    +7

    That’s a great write up. Nice work!

    • oraserat on 07/12/2023 - 16:04

      Yes, top job, thank you. Had no idea until this post.

  • HolyCr4p on 07/12/2023 - 15:25
    +28

    thanks op. i buy 0

  • Kommodore on 07/12/2023 - 15:26
    +11

    These prices are still way too high, you will never make back the fuel savings vs just buying a cheaper ICE.

    • 0 0 0 on 07/12/2023 - 15:28
      +6

      But try get a similar torque and power delivery in an ICE which is impossible

      • Stivo on 07/12/2023 - 16:04
        +3

        And its also impossible to get a EV which weighs the same as an ICE. Going in a straight line is not everything.

        • buckster on 08/12/2023 - 08:06
          +1

          Tell that to all the HSV drivers out there lol

      • oraserat on 07/12/2023 - 16:09
        +1

        100%: correct re torque and power delivery
        You could buy an EV to save the planet also, independent of fuel savings (and yes the numbers have been crunched recently and EVs come out in front of ICE vehicles in terms f energy saving)

        • piston3461 on 07/12/2023 - 17:26
          +4

          People still think EVs will save the planet ? No form of car production is good for the planet

          • thrillhouse on 08/12/2023 - 08:01

            @piston3461: Of course not, but we're obviously not near a world where cars aren't necessary for personal transportation. Why not evolve those into something that is arguably better for the environment. Key word being "better" and not "perfect".

          • Rob-4x4 on 08/12/2023 - 08:29

            @piston3461: Probably better off keeping your old ICE and running it on Biofuel.
            But a lot of the push for BEVs is coming from the motor industry who see it as a way to increase profits. I have seen motor importers that have around 100 percent markups from the landed price including all shipping and taxes and the retail price of vehicles they import. So someone is making a lot of $$ ..

            • piston3461 on 08/12/2023 - 11:47

              @Rob-4x4: Yeah exactly…the most eco friendly thing you can do is just keep your current petrol car until it falls apart. Building one EV will still use more resources and emissions than that , since the majority of the environmental impact is done during production

              Not to mention the human impact of mining cobalt from Congo etc. which nobody in the EV industry wants to talk about

              • Duff5000 on 14/12/2023 - 18:48

                @piston3461:

                Yeah exactly…the most eco friendly thing you can do is just keep your current petrol car until it falls apart. Building one EV will still use more resources and emissions than that , since the majority of the environmental impact is done during production

                Source?

                Chart here suggests a typical ICE vehicle produces around the same CO2 emissions every 2 years as it takes to produce 1 Tesla 3. It also suggests over 90% of a Corollas emissions are post production over a 13 year lifespan.

                https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-d…

    • keejoonc on 07/12/2023 - 15:30
      +3

      And what would that cheaper ICE vehicle be? Care to be a little more specific?

      • Naigrabzo on 07/12/2023 - 18:16
        -2

        Yes Toyota RAV4 hybrid. Not everyone needs to spend 72k on a low spec EV.

        • keejoonc on 07/12/2023 - 18:20
          -1

          LOL and when would you take delivery if you ordered it now? not to mention, you won't even know what you will actually end up paying.
          The true savings with EV is if you are able to take advantage of novated leasing tax benefit.

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