[Prime] Seagate FireCuda 530 1TB PCIe Gen 4 NVMe M.2 2280 SSD with Heatsink $105.59 Delivered @ Amazon UK via AU

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Speed reigns—Seagate’s FireCuda 530 dominates the SSD lineup, delivering pure performance, absolute power, the most advanced components, and unrivaled endurance

Exhilarating performance up to 7300MB/s—harness the full power of PCIe Gen4 speeds to dominate next-generation games and apps

Our fastest FireCuda SSD ever built for the ultimate in sustained, pro-level gaming and accelerated content creation—with transfer speeds up to 2x faster than PCIe Gen3 M.2 NVMe SSDs and 12x faster than SATA SSDs

Includes custom built low-profile heatsink designed by EKWB and Seagate to help minimize thermal throttling and maintain peak performance for longer time periods of time

Enjoy long-term peace of mind with the included five-year limited and three years of Rescue Data Recovery Services.The FireCuda 530 with heatsink is compatible with PS5 consoles. Easy drop-in expansion—no additional parts needed

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  vid_ghost on 21/08/2023 - 08:23

  1275TBW Nice when 990 Pro and SN850X are only 600TBW

  I feel like the 1TB size on this thing will be useless well before it ever gets to the end of its read/write lifespan.

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    xxJAGUARxx on 21/08/2023 - 08:46

    What is a TBW?

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      Danny N on 21/08/2023 - 08:54

      +4

      Terabytes written, basically lifespan of an ssd. The higher the better

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        billadm on 21/08/2023 - 09:14

        +1

        Interesting, I guess manufacturers set their own tests right?

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          netsurfer on 21/08/2023 - 10:22

          +1

          @billadm: It's a value that the manufacturer is comfortable offering for warranty purposes. It is based on NAND write cycle, spare cells, marketing (competition) and warranty consideration.

          It's not all good news with high TBW. With SSDs, the SSD health rating needs to drop as more TBW is written. Even if it is proportional to the rated TBW, the health rating technically shouldn't be 100% if say 30% of the quoted TBW is already written. So, the question is, are you happy to use an SSD when its health rating is 85%? How about 65%? I have an SSD that is rated 61% health (due to wear level and TBW). If you were me, do you trust that SSD for important data? That's a MLC SSD by the way, which technically retain data better (in theory).

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            Chandler on 21/08/2023 - 13:38

            @netsurfer: Whilst I understand your point here, with a higher TBW rating the % of TBW would climb at a slower rate, i.e. each TB written to the SSD is 0.08% for the 1275 TBW drive vs 0.17% for the 600 TBW drive.

            Having said that, no one should ever feel the need to "trust" their drives. Expect them to die, and expect them to die unexpectedly. Then you'll never lose data, just time in getting your setup back up and running.

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              netsurfer on 21/08/2023 - 14:31

              +1

              @Chandler: The main issue is there is no standard on TBW quoted. So it has a few issues:

              • PNY CS3040 has better TBW, so if TBW is very important, get that?
              • From Phison E18 to E16, all SSD makers lowered the TBW, what's the reason? Does that really mean the Toshiba older gen NAND is better than newer Micron NAND?
              • It's known that Samsung tends to underquote the TBW, and WD uses Toshiba NAND (so is it realistic to think Toshiba gave better NAND to other SSD makers and provided less longer lasting NAND to WD, does that really make sense)?
              • YMTC's approach with TBW calculation is to take advantage of its NAND's supposedly higher writing cycle rating.
              • These TLC SSDs with high TBW have superior TBW than MLC SSDs. Is the TBW rating really accurate?
              • Component swaps. Most SSD makers don't change TBW after changing NAND. Some of them just change TLC to QLC (not bothered changing TBW). Even for TLC swaps, Phison E18 + Micron 176L vs Innogrit + YMTC 2nd gen XTacking, exactly the same TBW?
              • PCIe gen 5 x4 first gen SSDs, we are seeing a substantial TBW drop. Those ones use the new 232L Micron NAND. If we simply judge it by TBW, does that mean 232L is far inferior to 176L in terms of write cycles?

              What SSD health % is acceptable to people? Is 99% okay? How about 95%, 90%? Bottom line is, TBW nowadays has more marketing and strategic purposes than actual TBW.

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            billadm on 21/08/2023 - 16:11

            @netsurfer:

            It's a value that the manufacturer is comfortable offering for warranty purposes

            Not trying to argue but to make a point.
            So how much is WD warranty (I don't know) 3 years? The drive will survive just to cover the warranty but after that we don't know.
            The traditional HDDs are still the most reliable if you care about your sensitive data.
            I still have 2x 500GB WD black drivers that I bought more than 10 years ago, they served in the previous system and they are still serving in the new computer.
            But also if you understand about preserving data, you should know that you need more than one backup solution because if one fails, you don't loose your data.

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              netsurfer on 21/08/2023 - 17:23

              @billadm: Those 3 SSDs all have 5 years warranty. The TBW can give a false impression on reliability because it is not something done by a 3rd party. We know it can be manipulated due to competition.

              • 870 Evo was introduced shortly after MX500 because Samsung didn't want to alter the TBW for 860 Evo (despite it is known Samsung underquoted it). It is also obvious 870 Evo's TBW was just to one up MX500.
              • 870 Evo, MX500 have multiple batches. Technically, those batches have different TBWs. But, we are getting one set of generic TBW figures.

              The main issue with SSD makers using Phison E16 and E18 controllers quoting higher than usual TBWs is they now kind of shot themselves in the feet because they need to lower that for upcoming Phison E26 PCIe gen 5 x4 SSDs (45% drop in TBW). Samsung and WD basically have head room so their PCIe gen 5 x4 SSDs could have better "quoted" TBW than their PCIe gen 4 SSDs.

              Thinking higher quoted TBW gives you additional unofficial warranty is unsafe. Don't let TBW trick your brain. One of my SSDs failed after 4 years with less than 1TB total written and it was a 1TB SSD (5 years warranty). To be fair though, other people have reported higher than usual failure rate for that SSD model so I never really trusted that SSD. It was kinda good it died before warranty finishes as I received a full refund.

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              netsurfer on 21/08/2023 - 17:33

              @billadm: Think about this:

              • Samsung, WD and Crucial, the big 3, quoted their TBWs in the same ballpark for their flagship PCIe gen 4 x4 SSDs, because that's the main competition.
              • All Phison E16 based SSD's TBW figures are impressive, the question is why WD SSDs with equivalent NAND chips quoted much lower TBW?
              • Now, this one, a Phison E18 based SSD with high a TBW figure. Same question: why Crucial SSDs with equivalent NAND chips quoted much lower TBW figures?

              You want to believe Toshiba and Micron sold longer lasting NAND to 3rd parties and used inferior ones for themselves or Phison controllers being so amazing, you can certainly do that. My "biased" take is TBW figures quoted have more marketing values than accuracy so it's better to know the components inside the SSDs and re-evaluate accordingly.

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  Smigit on 21/08/2023 - 08:38

  2TB for $223 https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0977K2C74?th=1&psc=1

  Thoughts on this as a PS5 drive, or are there more economical deals out there.

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    xxJAGUARxx on 21/08/2023 - 08:47

    Yup waiting for the experts as well haha

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    TruckTrespass on 21/08/2023 - 09:10

    +1

    The Corsair MP600 Pro LPX is $202.83 for 2TB at Amazon

    EDIT: this is from Amazon UK. AU had it at $194, but they're temporarily out of stock.

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    davidl820 on 21/08/2023 - 09:26

    I have this saved in my cart for quite sometime. Strangely it is not listed in "other sellers" in your link even though they both from Amazon UK.

    Anyways $197 delivered
    https://amzn.asia/d/gmoMKDv

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      Smigit on 21/08/2023 - 09:28

      Ta. For the PS5 the Heatsink is recommended which is why the $220 one made sense.

      I’m in no rush so might hold out for Black Friday or whatever.

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    netsurfer on 21/08/2023 - 09:28

    +1

    Price is still on the high side in today's standard, but if you really like it, it is a good option.

    More economical SSD for PS5 (for now), NM790 2TB: $129. NM790 4TB is $255.

    Must be dirt cheap and don't mind below specs SSD: wait for NV2 2TB to drop further, but for now, it makes more sense to got NM790 is $$$ is a concern. NV2 could be QLC.

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      fastnet on 21/08/2023 - 15:47

      I think for PS5 a SSD with DRAM is better as the PS5 does not support DRAM-less SSDs like the NM790 that utilise HMB. They'll still work, but at potentially slower than expected speeds. From a Sony FAQ,

      Do PS5 consoles support Host Memory Buffer?
      No. Some M.2 SSD devices may support Host Memory Buffer (HMB) but they may experience slower-than-expected performance because the PS5 console does not support HMB.

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        netsurfer on 21/08/2023 - 17:57

        Not sure whether PS5's internal SSD has DRAM or it actually uses HMB (because Series X's SSD is DRAMless).

        What's going to really confuse people is that don't be surprised when you run the initial test on PS5, NM790 1TB ends up getting better sequential read result than FireCuda 530 1TB. Phison E18 SSDs flex their muscles at 2TB onwards.

        Believe me, I want to tell people DRAM SSDs are better. However, that Maxio controller and the new YMTC NAND in NM790 1TB combo is shrewd. It really pushes the PCIe gen 4 bandwidth and heavily optimised for sequential read. It's just difficult to convince people to ignore the higher sequential read results. It's a real pain to find a 1TB PCIe gen 4 x4 SSD with DRAM that has sequential read above 7380MB/s in CrystalDiskMark for example.

        In theory, these DRAMless SSDs suppose to be slower, but in a mostly sequential read or single queue depth tasks, they don't appear much slower. I want to tell people get the DRAM SSDs for PS5. The problem is, in real life tests so far, DRAMless SSDs are doing fine on PS5.

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    zantaRay on 21/08/2023 - 10:47

    +1

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/795015

    Get the 2tb here. $178.49, one of the fastest gen 4 drives available, even slightly faster than a 990 pro. SK hynix make a lot of the best drives for other brands.

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      TruckTrespass on 21/08/2023 - 11:21

      Pair that with a heatsink and it's a pretty good deal.

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      Smigit on 21/08/2023 - 12:14

      Cheers

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  agentzero on 21/08/2023 - 09:20

  Is there much risk of Amazon sold ssd's being fake/dodgy? Seen a few comments on here mentioning it, unsure if that's just for the el cheapo no name brands, or an issue with reputable brands.

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    paisedo on 21/08/2023 - 09:26

    +1

    No such risk realistically, especially when an item is Amazon fulfilled.
    They've got a very robust customer service when you encounter any issues with an Amazon fulfilled item.

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      agentzero on 21/08/2023 - 09:32

      Good to hear, thanks!

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    netsurfer on 21/08/2023 - 09:29

    +1

    You need to check the listing's "Sold By". If it is Amazon AU, Amazon UK, Amazon USA, Amazon JP etc… then it is fine.

    Generally, OZB does not permit Amazon listings sold by most overseas sellers other than Amazon international. However, occasionally, people don't realise it and still post them (they do get removed). Also, if you manually search for items or when a posted deal sold out, Amazon could occasionally picked to a marketplace seller (if it is the next cheapest) and some of those sellers can be dodgy.

    Amazon fulfilled, well, for SSDs, I recommend you go by Sold by being Amazon AND ensure it is an Amazon AU listing. Don't buy directly from Amazon USA site, UK site etc… as the warranty process that way is inferior and more troublesome.

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      agentzero on 21/08/2023 - 09:55

      That's what I'd heard, re: Amazon UK etc. Cheers!