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Intel Optane P1600X 118GB PCIe Gen 3 NVMe M.2 2280 3D XPoint SSD $107.74 Delivered @ Amazon US via AU

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Intel Optane P1600X 118GB PCIe Gen 3 NVMe M.2 2280 3D XPoint SSD $107.74 Delivered @ Amazon US via AUAffiliate
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Previous discussion here, here and here

Ideal for database, ZFS SLOG, dedicated swap, NAS cache and other Homelab applications
Enhanced Power Loss Data Protection
High Endurance Technology (HET)
Temperature Monitoring and Logging
End-to-End Data Protection

SSDPEK1A118GA01

Controller: Intel
Memory: Intel 3D XPoint
DRAM Cache: Unknown
Sequential Read: 1760 MB/s
Sequential Write: 1050 MB/s
Random 4K Read: 410,000 IOPS
Random 4K Write: 243,000 IOPS
Endurance (TBW): 1292 TB
Warranty: 5 Years

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  • beatsntoons on 05/07/2023 - 16:49
    +3

    Wish I knew more about Optane to know whether this was a good deal!

    • Guybrush57 on 05/07/2023 - 16:57
      +2

      Right? I consider myself tech savvy but I have never understood Optane.

      • BarneyKB on 05/07/2023 - 17:01
        +3

        Extreme random operations

        Extreme endurance

        That's all!

        Main purposes:

        Fast boot drive for desktop

        Caching layer to help bridge the gap between RAM -> SSD in server applications

        • beatsntoons on 05/07/2023 - 17:08

          thanks. Why does caching benefit from random read/writes for say, Photoshop (or other media files) when the files are generally large, and you aren't reading/writing loads?

        • tamckinnon on 05/07/2023 - 17:11
          +4

          Also absolute crazy low latency and extreme QD=1 performance.

          Managed to benchmark the 960gb desktop version out at work on some unoptimized SQL code, all flash SAN ~2 hours while the 960gb Optane was ~13 minutes.

          • beatsntoons on 05/07/2023 - 17:16

            @tamckinnon: does your software of choice need to actively support it or will Windows handle the use of the drive/memory?

            • tamckinnon on 05/07/2023 - 20:51

              @beatsntoons: Nothing special needed, shows up in disk manager like a regular storage device.

        • RtN on 05/07/2023 - 17:31

          How does this compare to my 970 pro?

        • Pusheencat on 05/07/2023 - 19:04

          we're zerg rushing you with questions here…

          why don't games benefit from it? is it because SSDs are already excellent even at the lower price tiers, and the incremental gains are imperceptible?

          • BarneyKB on 05/07/2023 - 20:28

            @Pusheencat: They probably would benefit from it, but it's not really necessary. These drives are built for a specific purpose and are priced accordingly.

          • ShrewdBargin on 06/07/2023 - 00:11
            +1

            @Pusheencat: Games do but to what degree is questionable. A majority of all game operations are QD1 but not necessarily useful. I use for modded Skyrim though lol since I had 1 extra . 400gb install (905P)

      • SvcKpc on 05/07/2023 - 17:02

        Do you engage in any tasks with lots of random r/w operations? If so, consider buying an Optane.

        It's ideal for an OS installation like Windows or your Linux Distribution.

    • SvcKpc on 05/07/2023 - 17:00
      +2

      It will definitely be faster than mainstream NAND SSDs for all random read/write operations. Ideal for an operating system installation but not much else on a desktop PC. 905P is even faster than a P1600X but a lot more expensive.

      Optane Drives are mainly popular for server builds. Things like storing docker images, persistent data, special vdevs, ZIL, etc.

      • Omarko on 05/07/2023 - 17:26

        you can pick up the 280GB 905P from ebay for under $300 but for an average user, you simply wont see much difference in day to day desktop use.

      • netsurfer on 05/07/2023 - 17:58

        Only for random reads, and mostly at lower queue depth. P1600X isn't great for docker images. Sequential read/write for P1600X isn't that great. Also, do most people pull docker images a lot?

        • SvcKpc on 05/07/2023 - 18:56

          Docker images are like very small distributions containing all the dependencies required for a server-side application to work. Why wouldn't this benefit from good random R/W?

          • netsurfer on 05/07/2023 - 19:27

            @SvcKpc: Because:

            • Once the server application itself is built, it will most likely be stored as its own image (which would normally be quite large).
            • Even if the server application does a daily built, it won't re-retrieve unnecessary dependencies (if they were not updated).
            • 118GB is hardly enough for a file server nowadays.
            • Only 4K random reads QD1, P1600X is good, and even so, it is not a top notch Optane from Intel.
            • Sequential read/write, it simply cannot even beat PCIe gen 3 x4 SSDs.
    • noisymime on 05/07/2023 - 17:08
      +1

      Short answer is that they're designed to be an external cache for your storage, improving random read/write times in particular.

      In the days of SATA SSDs they made a huge improvement as they were so much faster than the drive itself. These days compared to a PCIe gen4 nvme, the difference is pretty slim and the nvme will be far cheaper on a per GB basis. They will still be fast under some conditions and workloads, but they've become a pretty niche product that most people don't need.

      • beatsntoons on 05/07/2023 - 17:10
        +1

        thanks, that's what I was thinking re modern NVME drives. They seem pretty similar (in fact, most have better IOPS?)

        • noisymime on 05/07/2023 - 17:12
          +2

          What they don't have though is the write endurance, so for something like a Plex transcoding scratch space the Optane can be a better option. Though even better again is a ramdrive (or simply using shm on linux)

          As I said, there are definitely use cases where they still make sense, but for general disk caching they're not the huge benefit they used to be

          • beatsntoons on 05/07/2023 - 17:14

            @noisymime: thanks

          • incipient on 05/07/2023 - 18:08

            @noisymime: Isn't transcoding pretty much always done in memory?

            • noisymime on 05/07/2023 - 18:27

              @incipient: Depends on how much RAM, how many concurrent transcodes and the bitrates of the files. You could easily exceed 16gb with 2 or more high bitrate streams, so there's no chance of having it all in memory.

              It's a relatively low speed, but write heavy process, so if you're doing it a bunch then NAND wear becomes a consideration. Optane is a decent middle ground in that case between nvme and more RAM.

        • SvcKpc on 05/07/2023 - 17:39

          They do not have better IOPS than Optane in real-world usage.

  • netsurfer on 05/07/2023 - 16:59
    +1

    Technically, the all time low was $95.19 AUD, but there was insufficient quantity to post it on OZB.

  • Proliferation on 05/07/2023 - 17:11

    I have a ghetto nas consisting of a 16TB WD Elements external drive plugged into a Raspberry Pi shared with open media vault;
    If I plug this thing in a USB adapter, is there any way to use it as a cache drive? I disabled spindown on the HDD but it’s still slow to initialise when accessing the share for the first time in a while.

    • noisymime on 05/07/2023 - 17:18
      +4

      If you plug it in via a USB adapter you will lose ALL the benefit that it has, you might as well just go with a regular nvme drive. There's no way to get the real benefits one of these on a rPi

      • incipient on 05/07/2023 - 18:07
        +3

        You'd still get the benefit of the endurance! So you'll get one of two benefits =P

        But yeah realistically it's not worth it. They're just not really targeted at home set-ups.

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