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Tesla Model 3 - RWD $59,200, Long Range $72,200, Performance $85,200 + On-Road Costs @ Tesla

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Tesla Model 3 - RWD $59,200, Long Range $72,200, Performance $85,200 + On-Road Costs @ Tesla
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Scrooge McDeal on 01/07/2023 - 13:34 tesla.com (13528 clicks)
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Tesla Model 3 - RWD $57,400, Long Range $70,400, Performance $83,400
A price reduction of $5,300 from the previous price.
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  • Fredfloresjr on 01/07/2023 - 13:38
    +49

    Thanks bought 1 for newborn

      • cashless on 01/07/2023 - 13:55
        +11

        Newborn will be very expensive

        • garage sale on 22/07/2023 - 09:54

          yeah , private school fees now $38k pa ….. 1 year left, feel sorry for those with new borns …..

    • Crustypizzaman on 01/07/2023 - 15:10
      +3

      Newborn can drive already?

      • bloom on 01/07/2023 - 15:20
        +29

        Doesn't have to, car has auto pilot

        • Kangal on 01/07/2023 - 19:05
          +1

          Safer inside than out

          • CowFrogHorse on 04/07/2023 - 12:46
            -1

            @Kangal: Even safer and better for your mental & physical health not to drive and walk or ride a bike etc.

      • taki on 01/07/2023 - 15:55

        People have become robots (artificial intelligence) after the Industrial Revolution - no brains are needed, but can drive cars ;)

      • Anthropomorphised on 01/07/2023 - 16:57
        +2

        You misunderstood, he bought for the price of one newborn

        • May4th on 04/07/2023 - 14:19

          seriously? where did you get a deal like that?
          I've got a newborn and would give it away for free on some sleepless nights, a Tesla would definitely sweeten the deal

    • boomramada on 02/07/2023 - 11:22
      +1

      Im not sure who is up voting this, potential buyers or the tesla owners.
      Either way it doesn't look good for either when prices goes down when everything else goes up from ICE vehicles to HJ lol

      • DisasterArea on 03/07/2023 - 16:00

        Hmm methinks you're not up to speed on what's happening here…. EV prices are coming down because from the ground up Tesla has a cheaper way to build cars… namely "megapress" and putting everything on the screen in software instead of adding buttons everywhere.

        Whether this suits you or not is one thing, but the traditional ICE manufacturers are in deep doo-doo when Tesla is increasing production YoY and productivity AND lowering prices.

        I'd agree something didn't look good if it was a fire sale, and numbers were in decline… but it's entirely the opposite of that. They are conering the market and trying to make it hard for newcomers to take too large a slice, because at this point they can afford to do that.

        When you see the same price drops in ICE cars, it'll be as you describe… panic

      • garage sale on 22/07/2023 - 09:58

        I'm a potential buyer …. my ICE is 20 years old so time for new car …. have driveway so can charge and only drive short distances mid week (30kms) weekend I don't do more than 200kms ….

        • Heybargain on 22/07/2023 - 11:19

          Don’t forget to use a referral!

  • vasil on 01/07/2023 - 13:38

    Sell off.

    • matt-ozb on 01/07/2023 - 13:39
      +2

      Model Y has also dropped in price.

      • Czar Chasm on 01/07/2023 - 18:29
        -1

        When you look out the windscreen I can see a Yfront.

      • ialam99 on 01/07/2023 - 19:33
        -3

        Yep, model Y now falls under the threshold for the EV rebate in most states ($3k/$6k depending on the state). Even better news for Victorians, the $3k rebate expired 6pm last night as the state is now broke.

    • capslock janitor on 01/07/2023 - 14:00
      +1

      whatchu mean

      • matt-ozb on 01/07/2023 - 14:08
        +6

        he thinks there is a sell-off because there is a new model 3 on the way … but he is wrong because the model Y has also dropped in price.

        • diss on 01/07/2023 - 15:03
          +3

          Not necessarily wrong if there’s an updated platform/model coming out that will devalue the model Y by comparison

        • DisasterArea on 03/07/2023 - 16:02

          There's also a new model Y on the way… in the USA at least.

    • Willy Beamish on 01/07/2023 - 14:07

      you mean they aren't giving them away? shocker

  • grasstown on 01/07/2023 - 13:38
    +23

    Nothing more environmentally friendly than walking, public transport, pooling, and used vehicles.

    • matt-ozb on 01/07/2023 - 13:40
      +40

      I couldn't care less about the environment but still bought a Tesla.

      • cloudy on 01/07/2023 - 14:42

        and how much did you pay for it?

      • Exec-Matrix on 01/07/2023 - 23:19
        +11

        How does this get up voted yet comment below downvoted? WTF

        • Hirolol on 02/07/2023 - 08:48
          +2

          I logged it just to say the same thing
          Shits cray cray

      • dec1an on 02/07/2023 - 02:29
        +2

        What do you mean by 'the environment'? I mean, I'm not clear where it begins and ends, especially after Black Summer bushfire smoke filled cities

      • CowFrogHorse on 04/07/2023 - 12:48
        -1

        The joke is on you…. in return for your not caring the rest of the system is continuing to waste your life sitting in a car because ….they dont care either.

      • CowFrogHorse on 04/07/2023 - 17:53
        -1

        WOW are you clever. Maybe you also believe in Elons other great ideas, like workers having no rights of any kind and below minimum pay and constant abuse of all kinds for his workers.

        I guess given Elons background in South Africa is hardly a shock he has no respect for human beings, before it was blacks now he has moved onto others. Different people different place but the same attitudes towards slaves

      • unifex on 07/07/2023 - 19:29

        Same i love my Model 3 LR

    • Guybrush57 on 01/07/2023 - 13:41
      +1

      So a used Tesla is OK?

      • grasstown on 01/07/2023 - 13:43
        +13

        Much better than a new one

        • karatepsychic on 01/07/2023 - 15:36
          +6

          I mean you're not wrong but no one really asked.

          The problem is everyone thinks your driving electric for ideological reasons.

          But for me it's just a better driving and ownership experience.

          • Tomcruise on 01/07/2023 - 15:57

            @karatepsychic: Better driving and ownership experience
            Please explain.

            • Brick50 on 01/07/2023 - 16:49
              +8

              @Tomcruise: @Tomcruise have you driven a tesla? I've just driven one for 2 weeks in the US and got it as a bit of a novelty. It's fun to drive, but its also a simple car that gets you where you want to go in comfortably, quiet and fast.

              At the price point they are in the US I think they are great. good supercharging network, good climate control, heaps of technology.

              I don't get the naysayers trying to argue about environmental impacts, not like they compare the environment cost of different ICE cars against each other, I'm willing to bet the majority of Tesla owners didn't buy one based on that.

              The Model 3 is now the approximate price of a Subaru Outback XT, 2 completely different vehicles but tesla's are 30k dearer than petrol cars anymore. Theres a reason they're one of the top selling cars now
              If you're going to charge at home it most likely costs less too, especially since PFIT solar ends next year.

            • karatepsychic on 01/07/2023 - 16:51
              +21

              @Tomcruise: I'll assume you're genuinely interested in my opinion and experience.

              Instant torque, lower centre of gravity, one pedal driving, fantastic acceleration. All great driving experiences that you don't get at the same ICE price point.

              Ownership experience, never having to visit a servo again. Always leaving the house with a full "tank". Very little servicing requirements. Very low energy cost per km.

              Those are the big wins for me.

              I've heard all the opposing opinions from people who don't own one.

              1. Cost of when if the battery needs replacing out of warranty is a risk.

              2. Limited range.(350km) when going on road trips.

              For 1: It is a concern but I'm willing to risk it because it's warranted for 8 years and I'm hoping the cost of batteries drop in the future with improved chemistry. So essentially getting an upgrade.

              For 2: It's never been an issue for me, I mean ever in over 2 years. I tend to have break after 2-3 hours even in an ICE vehicle.

              So yeah that's my take on EV ownership. Not for everyone but I'm really enjoying it so far.

              • Dsiee on 01/07/2023 - 20:22
                +8

                @karatepsychic: To build on point 1, the batteries last 1000's of cycles before they lose 20% of their range. That is in the million plus kilometres driven before it is an issue. Even a Toyota would need a new engine by that point at a similar cost.

              • triks on 03/07/2023 - 14:17

                @karatepsychic: The inconsequential acceleration is a highlight in dual-motor and higher models.
                Saying that cousins Model 3 had to go in after 2 1/2 years due to a loud noise, not sure its from the launches. 14 day wait to go in, no loaner, 2 hr repair.

                Bit of research, takes around 4.5 years for the car to be green (offset the battery manufacturing).

              • CowFrogHorse on 04/07/2023 - 12:51
                -2

                @karatepsychic: karate: Instant torque, lower centre of gravity, one pedal driving, fantastic acceleration.

                cow: Really you experience all that driving at 10 - 20km in a traffic jam ?

                karate: All great driving experiences that you don't get at the same ICE price point.

                cow: SO you call sitting traffic for hours a day every day for the rest of your barely moving an experience ?

                Maybe its me, but when im 80 i dont think i will remember sitting traffic as a life experience, people who call that an experience must have no life.

                • karatepsychic on 05/07/2023 - 01:20
                  +1

                  @CowFrogHorse: I prefer to cycle or use public transport, which I do during the work week.

                  Unfortunately our planners have baked in car dependency since the 50s. So when I need to drive the one car our household owns; I prefer the experience of an electric one.

                  Maybe it's just me, but when I'm 80 I don't think I'll remember being an arsehole to strangers online as a life experience. People who do that must have no life.

              • unifex on 07/07/2023 - 19:31
                +2

                @karatepsychic: i agree i got the LR so 2 is not an issue for me. I have had a lot of different cars over the years and the Tesla is right up there.

            • karatepsychic on 01/07/2023 - 17:21
              +21

              @Jasonio: The dude who asked me to explain my previous comment. This site is toxic AF.

              • Corgsta on 01/07/2023 - 20:58
                +17

                @karatepsychic:

                This site is toxic AF.

                Dead right! I was browsing the list, seeing headphones deals, 10-20 comments; some cash backs, 5-10 comments; some random PC component deals, 15-25 comments. Then this deal, 265+ comments. Seems like a magnet for people to come and be the first to espouse their opinion on EVs. It’s like politics or climate change. My dad who is in his 70s also hates EVs, he won’t say it but he has a million reasons why they are not good cars. And I debunk every one of them. I get the feeling it’s like telling someone their political party of choice is crap and picking it apart but it’s wasted time.

                EVs are just another car. Something to get you from A to B. People can choose to buy them or just move along and buy something else. It doesn’t come with a membership to a political party.

                I thought your comment about your experience above was informative and useful. I have a friend with a Tesla and they said they took a while to get used to the one-pedal accelerator/brake. And in comparing cost, don’t forget to include the savings of basically no servicing.

                • ass3ts on 02/07/2023 - 05:36

                  @Corgsta: "they said they took a while to get used to the one-pedal accelerator/brake"

                  It does a while to get used to strong regenerative braking for many people as it often feels like driving a manual car in the 1st/2nd gear all the time when you let off the accelerator. Some who did still would prefer having less of it. Some who like it keep preaching about it like it's the only way to drive. That's why as far as I know ALL other EV manufacturers except Tesla allow you to adjust the strength! Tesla used to have the adjustment option on the screen up to mid-2021, but I guess they want those better range claims on paper by forcing owners to just one mode. For normal driving, forget about Tesla's track mode.

                  • Deviner on 02/07/2023 - 15:29

                    @ass3ts: What are you on about? Tesla have the ability right now to amend the strength of regen braking, and have done as long as I can remember.

                    And what has Track mode got to do with anything…?
                    Its literally intended only for the track and adds telemetry and some other tweaks/adjustments - but it's only available on Performance models.

                    • ass3ts on 02/07/2023 - 19:46
                      -1

                      @Deviner: I have owned 3 Performance Teslas since 2015, if you are new to this you may not be aware of the fact that Teslas used to have the 'Low' mode which allowed the car to glide with very little regenerative braking. They got rid of it around mid-2021. The early adopters would've known it. What does the Track mode have anything to do with it? Have you owned a Performance Tesla? The current Track mode still allows you to adjust it to 0%, but in this mode you lose Entertainment features, Autopilot and a few other functions rendering it unsuitable for day-to-day driving. I'm not interested in the non-Performance models.

                      • Deviner on 02/07/2023 - 21:51

                        @ass3ts: I've always struggled to put my finger on why exactly people hate Tesla owners, but I might be getting closer.
                        I didn't realise this was a dick swinging contest, but congrats… I guess?

                        • Have you owned a Performance Tesla?

                        Embarassingly (because it now puts me in the same group as you), yes, I have one.

                        • That's why as far as I know ALL other EV manufacturers except Tesla allow you to adjust the strength!

                        You can do this through the "Creep", "Roll" and "Hold" settings.
                        It's not a visual percentage that you can change on the fly which is maybe what you're getting at?
                        But saying they don't allow you to adjust the strength is incorrect.

                        • ass3ts on 02/07/2023 - 22:11

                          @Deviner: The "Creep", "Roll" and "Hold" settings are not what I was referring to….again? All these modes still use a large amount of regenerative braking. These don't specifically provide enough strength adjustments in regenerative braking.

                          Again, I was referring to the "Low" mode that was available before mid-2021 (All my Model S Performances, including the Model 3's up to mid-2021 have it), this mode allowed owners to drive it with next to no regenerative braking, let it glide when you let off the accelerator, is this clear enough? It's OK if you don't know this or if this was before you jumped on the Model 3/Y bandwagon. All other EV manufacturers have this option, but Tesla got rid of it.

                          • Deviner on 03/07/2023 - 02:12

                            @ass3ts:

                            • this mode allowed owners to drive it with next to no regenerative braking, let it glide when you let off the accelerator, is this clear enough?

                            Did you read the second last line in my comment?
                            You said all EVs give the ability to adjust the regen braking strength apart from Tesla - my point still stands.
                            You can adjust the strength - it's just not as granular as you'd like it… and that's actually fine and, absolutely, the more control over driving specifics like that, the better.

                            But honestly, keep going, this is really selling the "not every Tesla owner is an asshat" vibe.
                            I can literally smell the smugness from here with the "It's OK if you don't know this or if this was before you jumped on the Model 3/Y bandwagon" comment.

                            • ass3ts on 03/07/2023 - 07:06

                              @Deviner: I don't even understand what you're on about now. It's obvious that you know less than you'd like to admit/believe and instead you kept going off topic and making personal atttacks. You should probably stick to playing games and doing subscription hacks dude. Feel free to continue with the name-calling.

                              • Deviner on 03/07/2023 - 15:34
                                -2

                                @ass3ts: Ohh, combing through comment history now - nice! :)
                                Well, the cat is out of the bag, I am about 20ish years younger than you.

                                But staying on point, Tesla has the ability to adjust regen braking strength, which you said they don't - that was it.
                                You expanded on that and mentioned the previous/deprecated ability to set the regen amounts more granularly, which I concede to the fact I don't own an S, and I would agree that that's a better option.

                                • DisasterArea on 03/07/2023 - 16:13
                                  +1

                                  @Deviner: he's right, they did, now they dont.

                                  Hold roll and creep have nothing to do with regen strength. IF it changes, it's a coincidence.

                                  They change the behaviour of when it cuts out (hold uses it at lower speeds than the other two), but it is not a change in regen strength up to that point.. one of many random evidences of this if you cannot find it in the manual : https://evehiclepro.com/tesla-stopping-mode/#:~:text=Hold%20….

                                  it is in the manual under "HOLD" https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-3DFFB07…

                                  The change to regen strength was a separate setting that is reportedly coming back in a later firmware… so there you have it.

                                  And before you ask, yes another owner here (2.5 years) and would never buy another non EV if that remains an option.

                                  • Deviner on 03/07/2023 - 21:35
                                    -1

                                    @DisasterArea: If you try out all 3 settings, you can see it does adjust the strength of regen, it's just not a great solution to it.

                                    If you use roll, it barely feels like there's much/any regen at all.
                                    If you use creep, it feels like Tesla's idea of a medium strength of regen.
                                    If you have it on hold, the regen is much, much stronger (especially at lower speeds).

                                    That's also what is explained in the manual you linked under the Stopping Mode section.

                                    But I'll admit, that lacks in comparison to the option before.
                                    Ideally, you could have it on "Hold" for 1 pedal type of driving, but have the strength on low so that it doesn't slow you down too much when going at a decent speed.

                                    And yep, I also saw that there is talk of maybe bringing it back after a bunch of negative feedback.

                                  • ass3ts on 05/07/2023 - 08:46

                                    @DisasterArea: I believe the made-in-USA pre heat pump update Model 3's up to around late 2020's kept that previous "Low" and "Standard" regen setting for some reason, not sure how it is now as I don't drive a Model 3.

                    • CowFrogHorse on 04/07/2023 - 12:52
                      +1

                      @Deviner: Yeh isnt it brilliant how tesla can change how much strenght breaking has any day of the week without telling you… so one day your mental memory thinks this much braking is enough and tomorrow it isnt and you crash.

                • 1st-Amendment on 02/07/2023 - 13:26
                  -2

                  @Corgsta:

                  EVs are just another car. Something to get you from A to B. People can choose to buy them or just move along and buy something else. It doesn’t come with a membership to a political party.

                  This would be true if an EV was just a product like any other than people could choose whether to buy or not. But the reason they have become political is because politicians are sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong turning it into a political issue. We now have political policy forcing people to choose, hence the toxicity.

                  • jackspratt on 02/07/2023 - 13:54
                    +2

                    @1st-Amendment: The toxicity (what an appropriate word) is all emanating from 1 direction.

                    No one is being "forced" to choose (EV/ICE) at the moment, nor till probably the end of the decade in Oz.

                    And by then, the decision will only be "forced" on them by the lack of newly manufactured ICE vehicles.

                    • 1st-Amendment on 02/07/2023 - 14:17

                      @jackspratt:

                      The toxicity (what an appropriate word) is all emanating from 1 direction.

                      Self awareness level 0…

                      No one is being "forced" to choose (EV/ICE) at the moment, nor till probably the end of the decade in Oz.

                      When they will be forced to. So no-one is being forced to do anything until they are forced to. But that isn't force…

                      the decision will only be "forced" on them by the lack of newly manufactured ICE vehicles.

                      Caused by government policy creating artificial constraints. If it's entirely market choice, then why are government involved?

                      • SBOB on 02/07/2023 - 14:38
                        +1

                        @1st-Amendment:

                        When they will be forced to. So no-one is being forced to do anything until they are forced to. But that isn't force…

                        Damn woke lefty's won't even let me drive my leaded fuel car anymore.
                        World's gone mad I tells ya…..

                      • jackspratt on 02/07/2023 - 15:25
                        +1

                        @1st-Amendment: Comprehension level -1 or 2 or 3 or ….. pick your own number.

                        • 1st-Amendment on 03/07/2023 - 09:09

                          @jackspratt:

                          pick your own number.

                          For you also zero since you can't seem to grasp the idea of what the word 'force' means…

                • FredAstair on 04/07/2023 - 21:12

                  @Corgsta: this is the way

              • Hirolol on 02/07/2023 - 08:52
                +2

                @karatepsychic: Haha, just ignore him.

          • garage sale on 22/07/2023 - 10:01

            @karatepsychic: same for me, it's not idealogical, I like idea of charge at home and I just do short trips ….

        • drumrollplease on 01/07/2023 - 20:08

          I mean if you see a used tesla that's 30k or less lmk damn

    • freefall101 on 01/07/2023 - 13:51
      +22

      I dunno, whenever I'm on a bus in Melbourne there's usually like 2 people on it, with it burning a tonne of diesel to move us around.

      And where do you think used cars come from? Buying a new EV is better than buying a new petrol car.

      • SickDmith on 01/07/2023 - 13:56
        +5

        Tesla Bus then?

        • freefall101 on 01/07/2023 - 14:03
          +29

          Should happen soon enough. Buses are the perfect battery vehicle, short distance, lots of stop starting, lower speeds and go to a depot every night to charge up. Can even stick a bank of solar panels on the roof and the takes air pollution out of local streets.

          Only downside is the price, they cost almost twice as much (last time I checked). It'll only be a few years off before no one buys new diesel buses though as battery prices come down. Should eventually be way, way cheaper.

          • PerthectDeal on 01/07/2023 - 14:16
            +3

            @freefall101: EV bus would be ideal.
            Hate the noise and vibrations when on a bus and love the smooth and quite ride of a Tesla

            • 1st-Amendment on 01/07/2023 - 17:08
              -7

              @PerthectDeal:

              EV bus would be ideal.

              You're going to love NSW then, they have plans to spends billions and billions of taxpayer dollars replacing 8000+ diesel buses with electric across the state. I'd love to see the logistics required to charge them all and keep them charged for a full day of service…

              • SBOB on 01/07/2023 - 17:14
                +8

                @1st-Amendment:

                I'd love to see the logistics required to charge them all

                Ever seen a public transport bus fill up at a petrol station…
                The logistics and infra are easy, as it's confined to the central bus terminal/s

                Things like consistent, regular, known distance defined public transport routes with common hubs are literally ideal solutions for things like alternate energy sources such as ev or hydrogen.

                • 1st-Amendment on 01/07/2023 - 17:28
                  -3

                  @SBOB:

                  The logistics and infra are easy, as it's confined to the central bus terminal/s

                  So easy… Now show me your actual calculations for charging 100+ extremely large bus batteries each and every day, multiple times a day in some cases. Unlike diesel which takes about 5 minutes to fill a bus which then runs an entire day, charging a bus will take hours and it won't run the full day which then adds to the infrastructure bill.
                  To give you an example, my local bus route to the city and back is 60km and it does that maybe 12 times a day. An EV bus range is less than 200km, so you'd need 4x as many buses to deliver the same service. So 100 buses is now 400 buses… and now you need a shit load more 'refueling' infrastructure too.

                  So rather than just say 'easy' how about some actual sums to demonstrate?

                  • Nom on 01/07/2023 - 21:13
                    +6

                    @1st-Amendment:

                    show me your actual calculations for charging 100+ extremely large bus batteries each and every day, multiple times a day in some cases.

                    Why do you just continually ask inane questions about everything that is progress ?

                    As per your own post, NSW are already planning to do this. Why on earth are you asking us to calculate how they plan to charge them ?

                    I repeat, you say they're already planning to do this. It's already happening. What are you trying to debunk ?!

                    love to see the logistics required to charge them all and keep them charged for a full day of service

                    Me too, I'm very interested in their final solution. Hopefully we get to see it soon !

                    • 1st-Amendment on 02/07/2023 - 12:47

                      @Nom:

                      Why do you just continually ask questions about everything?

                      It's called critical thinking. Since you clearly have no idea what that is, here's primer for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

                      NSW are already planning to do this. Why on earth are you asking us to calculate how they plan to charge them

                      OP said it was 'easy'. How did he decide whether it was 'easy' if you have no idea how it works? It could be hard, how do determine the difference unless you have the numbers to support your opinion?

                      Me too, I'm very interested in their final solution. Hopefully we get to see it soon !

                      And if it cost twice as much and delivers lower levels of service you'll still blindly parrot 'Progress!' because… reasons!
                      Why bother actually thinking when you can just parrot slogans…

              • Dsiee on 01/07/2023 - 20:25
                +3

                @1st-Amendment: Not that complicated. Basically the same process as you likely use to charge your phone, just bigger.

                • 1st-Amendment on 02/07/2023 - 13:12

                  @Dsiee:

                  Not that complicated. Basically the same process as you likely use to charge your phone, just bigger.

                  Except a phone doesn't have to drive 500km+/day every day.
                  And in order to get around that limitation, you now need more electric buses than diesel ones. But there isn't enough space in the depot for those extra buses so there's an added complexity. And the electrical demand to charge hundreds of of new buses is not trivial. And the cost of the NSW diesel bus fleet is already on the books, where does the money come from to replace all 8000 NSW buses? What do you do with the 8000 diesel buses you own? More complexity…

                  It only sound uncomplicated if you haven't though about it hard enough. And if you think the 'experts' have thought about, well this article implies otherwise:
                  "“We didn’t know how they were going to work in busy Sydney, city streets,”
                  "We didn’t know how far they would go before they stopped. If they did stop. What would we do? "
                  Balkin, the chief operating officer of Transit Systems,

                  https://thedriven.io/2022/08/05/how-sydneys-first-electric-b…

                  It might be good or it might be another government white elephant, how do you know unless you have some hard numbers BEFORE you commit tens of billions of dollars?

            • CowFrogHorse on 04/07/2023 - 12:54

              @PerthectDeal: A german car is even better.

              • PerthectDeal on 04/07/2023 - 13:10

                @CowFrogHorse: Came from a Germany car and the Tesla is certainly quieter, smoother and more powerful. Now a top of the range German EV would be a game changer.
                Unfortunately will never be in my budget :(

                • CowFrogHorse on 04/07/2023 - 15:02

                  @PerthectDeal: F1 are not quiet, next your going to tell me a Tesla is better than a F1, because its quieter or any other fake metric someone has mentioned.

                  You have no idea of what quality and performance is or how to measure.

                  For a non racer, it doesnt take a genius to figure out which car will keep you safer in a car crash, or will not go off the road on a wet and slippery road. When it really counts the German car will always win when it really counts.

                  German quality always wins when it counts, from F1, tunnel machines, construction or the really big machines that provide our electricity system. Everybody knows this. German quality always wins we all bet our lives on it every day.

                  • PerthectDeal on 04/07/2023 - 15:53

                    @CowFrogHorse: Not sure why you are talking about F1 cars!! The discussion is about EV buses!!!

                    I said above Tesla is extremely quiet (double glazed windows), being an EV extremely smooth with no vibration. With the performance, there are not any German cars that accelerate to 100kph in mid 3 seconds at the price point.

                    • CowFrogHorse on 04/07/2023 - 17:45

                      @PerthectDeal: PerthectDeal: I said above Tesla is extremely quiet (double glazed windows),

                      cow: Tesla does not have double glazed windows, nobody does. Feel free to SHARE a link to a real website like tesla.com that says they have double glazed, and please dont play word games.

                      PerthectDeal: With the performance, there are not any German cars that accelerate to 100kph in mid 3 seconds at the price point.

                      cow: How many roads do you drive that you never go around a corner ?

                      Can you name a single race track that is purely a straight line ?

                      Roads have curves, bumps, potholes, and theres also water and win and snow in some parts of the world. A german car will always in t he end be better at all these. The fact Tesla never did the Top gear track or has never actually race d anywhere from Bathurst to the N ring in Germany proves my point.

                      Do you have any more fake metrics where you pick nonsense to judge the quality of a car ?

                      Next your going to tell me a Cybertruck will win a race around Bathurst over any german car.

                • garage sale on 22/07/2023 - 10:08

                  @PerthectDeal: BMW have some great EVs, but supply is the issue, seems most of the nice ones like i4 long waiting list due to demand overseas ….. problem is australia the EVs we see vs what is made is limited as little incentive due to gov policy ….

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