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[QLD, Tesla] Tesla Supercharger $0.38 per kWh (was $0.60/kWh) @ Sunshine Plaza (Maroochydore)

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[QLD, Tesla] Tesla Supercharger $0.38 per kWh (was $0.60/kWh) @ Sunshine Plaza (Maroochydore)
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Gomo on 19/05/2023 - 19:17 sunshineplaza.com (524 clicks)
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Only applies to tesla owners, the supercharger site at Sunshine Plaza, in Maroochydore has recently changed pricing from $0.60c per kWh down to $0.38c per kWh!

This has to be the cheapest tesla supercharger in Australia ⚡

For those unfamiliar this means an average car can add 50kwh of storage for $19 instead of a usual cost $30 ,

The cheapest way to charge is at home during the day with solar 🔆⚡

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A Tesla Supercharger station is situated within the Kmart multi-level car park on Ground level. Capable of charging six Tesla electric vehicles at once. This station will be capable of rapidly charging a Tesla electric vehicle providing 120 kilowatts of power for a 270 klm trip, in half an hour.

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  • Gomo on 19/05/2023 - 19:19
    +6

    I'm also hearing Melbourne campberwell is $0.38c per kWh also

    • unco on 19/05/2023 - 19:20
      +5

      Just checked and can confirm.

      • Gomo on 19/05/2023 - 19:21

        Neat enjoy 👍

  • axcairns on 19/05/2023 - 19:27
    +10

    I'm confused is it 0.38 cents or 38 cents?

    • Gomo on 19/05/2023 - 19:28
      +1

      38c ! ⛽

      • Chazzozz on 20/05/2023 - 08:28

        Or, more accurately, 38¢. :)

  • audreamer on 19/05/2023 - 19:32

    How many KMs a Tesla Model 3 can run per kWh?

    • yadq on 19/05/2023 - 19:35
      +27

      They are cars, silly, they can’t run…

    • interlocal on 19/05/2023 - 19:36
      +4

      6-8 km on average

      • SBOB on 19/05/2023 - 19:40
        +13

        6-8 km on average

        so… 7km

        • awaiko on 19/05/2023 - 19:56
          +13

          So that’s 38c for 7km? Making it $5.43 for 100km, which is about 3L of petrol. Seems really good.

          • tunzafun001 on 19/05/2023 - 21:09

            @awaiko: Interesting that it's normally almost double that. Meaning a small corrolla etc is cheaper to run than a Tesla. Especially when you add a stupid road tax in vic.

            • whats up skip on 19/05/2023 - 21:14
              +6

              @tunzafun001: Not if you charge at home from rooftop solar or cheap rate. Also the Tesla is much larger.

              • Binchicken22 on 19/05/2023 - 21:21
                +2

                @whats up skip: Also a Tesla is much more expensive upfront.

                • jv on 19/05/2023 - 21:32
                  -4

                  @Binchicken22:

                  Also a Tesla is much more expensive upfront.

                  And replacement batteries cost about $20K

                  • hothed on 20/05/2023 - 10:56
                    +2

                    @jv: So does a replacement engine or gearbox.

                    What is your point?

                    • jv on 20/05/2023 - 11:15
                      +1

                      @hothed:

                      So does a replacement engine or gearbox.

                      LOL

                      Don’t need to replace those every 5-10 yrs, if ever….

                  • FuRyZ on 20/05/2023 - 11:17

                    @jv: Similar cost for an engine replacement. And the Tesla has a 8 year warranty on that battery, so just sell the car before the warranty is up if you are that afraid of it failing. These days, most people don't even keep their cars that long before upgrading to something else. The average replacement age for a new car at the moment in Australia is 5-7years.

                    • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2023 - 16:56

                      @FuRyZ:

                      Similar cost for an engine replacement

                      Who replaces an engine though? Having owned a few old cars, there are a lot more options to increase longevity than a full engine replacement eg reconditioning might cost about $3k, but most of the time you won't even need to do that since an engine is made up of components and whatever fails can be replaced individually form much less than this

                      • FuRyZ on 20/05/2023 - 21:07
                        +1

                        @1st-Amendment: I have had engines replaced, twice in fact. One was due to a manufacturing fault, it was replaced under warranty. Another was on a car I used to race, spun a bearing due to overheated oil while on the track, and it unceremoniously threw a piston through the front wall. $3k does not scratch the surface of how much even a basic engine recondition would cost, just removing and reinstalling an engine is extremely labour intensive and expensive.

                        For example, that engine I had replaced under warranty. I did end up seeing the final invoice sent to the manufacturer and it was $17k, 2/3 of the cost was labour alone. And that was very cheap compared to the amount of money I shovelled into my race car over the years.

                        The erroneous assumption that is being made here is that an electric vehicle WILL require a battery replacement within 10 years. Its becoming very obvious from statistical data that this a highly unlikely scenario, as unlikely as a car needing an engine replacement. Especially on newer battery chemistries that are showing much higher long term resiliency than what was being used previously.

                    • jv on 20/05/2023 - 21:58
                      -1

                      @FuRyZ:

                      Similar cost for an engine replacemen

                      I don’t need to replace my engine every 5-10 yrs, unlike batteries.

                      • FuRyZ on 20/05/2023 - 22:24
                        +1

                        @jv: I think I have realised where the issue lies here. Who told you that the batteries must be replaced every 5-10 years?

                      • FuRyZ on 20/05/2023 - 23:03
                        +3

                        @jv: The current industry average shows that a vehicle should go around 380,000km before an engine replacement or major rebuild is likely. The average Australian drives 13,000km a year. That gives your average non-electric car a 29 year lifespan.

                        Lets assume that at 80% of the battery's original capacity, the battery is no longer useful and needs replacing. We bought the car, it had 400km of range, now it has 320km of range that is not useable for us, we need the battery replaced.

                        Older NCA battery chemistries as used in the Tesla Model S, have a cycle life of roughly 1000-1500 cycles before reaching 80% capacity. Let's assume a worst case of 1000 cycles. Based on a 400km range per battery cycle, that gives us a 400,000km range before the battery will need replacing. That is a lifespan of just over 30 years. Pretty comparable with most cars on the road today.

                        Newer LFP battery chemistries as used in the newer Model 3/Y have a cycle life of roughly 3000-4000 cycles before reaching 80% capacity. Again assuming worst case of 3000 cycles @ 400km per cycle, that gives a 1,200,000km range or roughly a 90 year lifespan based on what an average Australian would drive per year. Even the most extreme Toyota driver would be happy with those numbers.

                        So that begs the question, who told you that you need to replace the battery every 5-10 years?

                        • jv on 21/05/2023 - 15:24
                          -3

                          @FuRyZ:

                          case of 1000 cycles

                          about 4-5 years…

                          • FuRyZ on 22/05/2023 - 13:44
                            +1

                            @jv: Let me guess, your FB profile pic is a Falcon ute and your education is listed as the 'school of hard knocks'. jv is what happens when you sit at home and read too many murdoch tabloids, stay in school people.

                          • Sqz66 on 01/06/2023 - 14:38

                            @jv: At ~500km/cycle, you're doing half a million kilometres in 4-5 years?

                            • jv on 01/06/2023 - 16:49
                              -2

                              @Sqz66: No way people will be doing 500km before topping up…

                              Most will have it on the charger every night.

                              Also, you won't be getting 500km. That is for new batteries.

                              lithium-ion deteriorate quickly… after a couple of years, you'd be lucky to get 80% charge being held.

              • tunzafun001 on 19/05/2023 - 21:23
                +1

                @whats up skip: Yeah sure, but they are talking about fast charging.

            • TheCandyMan2020 on 19/05/2023 - 21:34
              +1

              @tunzafun001: That road tax is coming to NSW by 2027 too…

              Multiple cents per kilometre. And they will keep raising it….

          • supersabroso on 20/05/2023 - 15:33
            +1

            @awaiko: That's such a waste of money even at the reduced price, hybrid cars do roughly 5L/100km for a fraction of the price. So $72k for a Model Y (450km range) instead of a hybrid RAV4 (900km range) at $45k, assuming that you are debt free without a mortgage that's 135 years to break even lol… Must be good if you can afford one though.

            However, that means, at full price you're getting ripped off and hybrid car drivers are paying the same price for petrol/100km as you are for electricity!!! Looks like we've got a decent way to go before petrol cars lose out.

            • TheCandyMan2020 on 20/05/2023 - 16:03

              @supersabroso: Pretty sure performance wise (acceleration) and drive experience, the Tesla dominates the RAV4

              • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2023 - 16:57

                @TheCandyMan2020:

                Pretty sure performance wise (acceleration) and drive experience, the Tesla dominates the RAV4

                I used to have a RAV, I reckon it will out perform a Tesla on sand or dirt road.

              • x d on 20/05/2023 - 21:20

                @TheCandyMan2020: Drive experience if you are not looking for a sport car (which neither are) - no. RAV4 is much more comfortable, interior so much more appealing, controls of HVAC and those on the steering wheel much more pleasant.

                Have been driving a Cruiser hybrid since Jan, and have test driven the Y/3 quite a few times.

            • FuRyZ on 20/05/2023 - 21:19
              +1

              @supersabroso: If someone was exclusively charging their car using expensive superchargers, then yes I agree. But most people charge their EVs at home on a much cheaper kwh rate. If you dont have the ability to charge at home, then EVs are definitely not for you at the moment.

              I actually own a RAV4 Hybrid. I am averaging around 5.8L/100km, combine that with cheap fuel at Costco, and yes I agree that it is cheaper overall than buying a comparable EV SUV like a Model Y outright. I did the math, and with our 10,000km annual mileage amount, it did not make financial sense to spend an extra $20-30k. We simply couldn't save that much in fuel costs over our hybrid.

              But the price of fuel keeps going up, and the price of EVs are going down. I fully expect that my next car will almost certainly be an EV. Especially once you factor in the massive cost savings of the recent FBT exemption on a Novated Lease. It just about makes financial sense to buy an EV now if you can access that FBT exemption.

  • T-man on 19/05/2023 - 19:39

    That's cheap, hopefully, they do the same price for Rochedale and Indooroopilly

  • boomramada on 19/05/2023 - 19:41

    Big line up?

  • team teri on 19/05/2023 - 19:48
    +2

    What happened to the plan to open up superchargers to all brands? Much talked about, but long delayed, like so much Elon promises…

    • S Padival on 19/05/2023 - 19:58
      +7

      Some in NSW are already open to Non-Teslas. You can see which ones on the Tesla app under “Charge your non-Tesla”

    • krisspy on 19/05/2023 - 20:05
      +2

      5 stations are currently in trial

    • ezzaf on 19/05/2023 - 21:50

      They charge $0.79/kWh for non Tesla owners (at the few that even allow it)

      • b3au on 19/05/2023 - 22:04

        Tamworth is $0.65/kWh without membership, $0.48/kWh with $9.99/mo membership

      • b3au on 19/05/2023 - 22:05

        Narooma, Bathurst, Dubbo and Hollydene are now
        $0.81/kWh without membership
        $0.66/kWh with $9.99/mo membership

  • 0 0 0 on 19/05/2023 - 20:00
    +5

    Charge at home for 21c though

    • krisspy on 19/05/2023 - 20:06
      +12

      Charge using your neighbour's gpo - free

      • johnno07 on 20/05/2023 - 13:16
        +2

        Then drive down to the park and cook on their BBQs - free

    • Vater Woods on 19/05/2023 - 23:51

      21 cents where? My off-peak rate is already 25 cents in Melbourne, and from comparison website, its the best rate.

      From a video I saw on YouTube, Tesla have about 92% charging efficiency, that makes it 27 cents per khw charged.

      • 0 0 0 on 20/05/2023 - 08:09

        Lumo at the pre hike lock in contact rate

      • ausmisc on 20/05/2023 - 09:55

        Mine is 16c currently, but fixed price ending in July then it's up to 22c. NSW.

      • ezzaf on 20/05/2023 - 10:28

        Simply energy's EV plan is 13.5c off peak in the Ausnet service area. Powershop Ovo and other also offer discounted off peak rates on EV specific plans

      • JimB on 29/05/2023 - 16:26

        Price will depend on your electricity distributor.

        I pay 20.680 c/kWh flat rate with Tango in Melbourne.

        My parents (also in Melbourne) with another distributor is much higher.

  • taki on 19/05/2023 - 20:06
    -5

    With cheaper sodium battery charging of BYD Seagull ($13-21K in China), I would charge overnight with standard cost < Tesla,
    if only we were not driving on the wrong side as the UK (so not yet available in the small AU market ;)
    Vic 22.39
    QLD 25.67
    Tas 26.80
    NT 27.37
    NSW 29.04
    ACT 29.15
    WA 30.06
    SA 36.10

    • Bryden on 19/05/2023 - 20:37
      +9

      just so youre aware, sodium batteries cannot defy the laws of physics, 1kWh = 1kWh

      • Vater Woods on 19/05/2023 - 23:55
        +4

        Actually, depending of the charging efficiency and battery resistance. 1kwh does not charge 1kwh.

  • bargainatoraah on 19/05/2023 - 20:10
    +4

    Tesla owners don’t need cheap power - they are already rich.

    • Bryden on 19/05/2023 - 20:38
      +10

      3 year tesla model 3 owner here, can report i have saved $15,000 on fuel and maintenance. best bargain of my life.

      • SBOB on 19/05/2023 - 20:56
        +6

        report i have saved $15,000 on fuel and maintenance.

        In 3 years?
        How many ks you doing for that kind of equation?

        Based on km expense (fuel cost less elec charging cost.)
        Car service every 15,000km

        That must be what, 30,000km/yr back of napkin quick maths?

        • Boodek on 19/05/2023 - 21:20
          +5

          Charge on solar, no cost. Nothing to service other than tyres really. Brakes rarely get used due to regenerative braking.

          • Binchicken22 on 19/05/2023 - 21:24
            +4

            @Boodek: No one is going to be able to do a large amount of KMs and simultaneously "always charge on their home solar", just due to time, weather etc.

            Even if they did, you are still at a minimum missing out on the feed in tariff, so the actual average cost to charge is somewhere between 11c/kwh (feed in tariff) to 25c/kwh.

            • awaiko on 19/05/2023 - 21:49
              +2

              @Binchicken22: That’s a really good point about missing out on the feed-in tariffs. If you’re charging your EV, you’re not getting those few cents back.

              • Wing Nut on 20/05/2023 - 09:25
                +3

                @awaiko: As you suggest, FITs have generally been eroding away to a few cents, however those using Amber wholesale power can often get very cheap grid power, sometimes free or even better, get paid to use and/or store it. For those not at home during the day, adding a battery means solar and cheap/free/better wholesale grid power can be stored during the day and fed to a daily-use EV after dark.

                Our EV shows we've done 12,000km in the last 12 months while spending $76 at public chargers on interstate road trips and our Amber power 'bill' at home has been as low as -$960 (negative) last summer - they owed us. I don't need a calculator to figure out charging the EV at home is cheaper than running an ICE car. Using the Charge HQ app makes it easy, automating EV charging from excess solar during the day or scheduling charging after midnight at cheaper wholesale rates.

            • JumperC on 20/05/2023 - 13:24

              @Binchicken22: Feed in Tariff in some states is as low as 7-8c and scheduled to keep dropping.

          • SBOB on 19/05/2023 - 21:40
            +1

            @Boodek:

            Charge on solar, no cost. Nothing to service other than tyres really. Brakes rarely get used due to regenerative braking

            Well, it has a cost. It's whatever your fit would be without self consumption.
            Like I said, back of napkin maths but feel free to do your own and let me know what KMs are required a year to get a $5k/year cost benefit

            Mine are.
            Average car, 6-7l/100km
            Back of napkin maths is about 30,000 KMs a year and a couple of $500 services to get to something approaching a $5k saving over electric.

            Got an alternative summary?

          • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2023 - 17:32

            @Boodek:

            Charge on solar, no cost

            There is a cost, even if you are not aware of it.
            Every kWh you put into you car is one less you can use in your house which you then have to pay retail prices for.

            • 811b11e8 on 22/05/2023 - 17:10

              @1st-Amendment: You can get wholesale prices with Amber, over the summer my Feed in tariff was 0c, it was literally negative as much as it was positive.

              There is an abundance of electricity during the day, and some tight asses with EVs actually getting paid to charge their cars if they can be bothered waiting for negative rates.

        • Binchicken22 on 19/05/2023 - 21:27
          +4

          Most people I've found, when they do these calculations they don't do "like for like" comparisons.

          They compare the fuel usage they were paying for their old Hilux using 12L/100 to their new little sedan… When an actual apples for apples comparison would be between say a Corolla averaging 7L/100 and a model 3.

          • CharlieAus on 19/05/2023 - 21:47
            +4

            @Binchicken22: I'm going from a 4.9s 0-100 Kia Stinger GT at around 1000km a week at around $240 a week to a 5s 0-100 Model Y LR at a whole lot less than $240 a week. I don't think I'd like for like a Tesla to a Corolla, Tesla has premium sound, a whole lot more power, a lot more space, a lot better road feel and a fair bit more premium.

            • Binchicken22 on 19/05/2023 - 22:44
              +1

              @CharlieAus: Yeah doing 50,000+ kms a year an EV definitely makes sense. You catch up on that initial extra outlay within just a few years, rather than like 10 years for the average person.

              • noz on 20/05/2023 - 08:59
                +1

                @Binchicken22: Also keep in mind that many have taken advantage of the EV FBT exemption, which makes a considerable saving to the upfront cost.

        • boomramada on 20/05/2023 - 15:51

          Plus you need to add cost of battery degradation, charging cost and tyer replacement cost (compare to camery, it be more).
          Can also add the interest savings of not spending 30k for EV over Camery.

          • CharlieAus on 22/05/2023 - 09:19

            @boomramada: Salary sacrifice it and it'll work out cheaper than the camry quicker with the FBT changes. Presently you can get a 70k model 3 for about the same loss to take home pay as a 40k Corolla. Also, people aren't buying these because they're looking for a cheap Camry in general heh, they're getting a lot more car.

      • boomramada on 19/05/2023 - 21:49
        +2

        3 year tesla model 3 owner here, can report i have saved $15,000

        Damn, Uber black driver?

        My ice vehicle costing me around $2k for fuel and about $500 for maintenance for daily driving per year (around 10,000km).

  • OzBerghainer on 19/05/2023 - 20:22
    +5

    Currently working up a research piece on the end of life management of the batteries in these things… our policy and law is not equipped for the millions of tonnes of wasted batteries we are going to see in a few years!

    • Techie4066 on 19/05/2023 - 20:25
      -8

      That's right. To me, only hydrogen fuel cell vehicles make sense for the entire market to move to. The batteries they require are far smaller, it's just that the hydrogen infrastructure is not there.

      • Trishool on 19/05/2023 - 20:35

        Samsung's working on solid state batteries for EVs which should be a lot denser and therefore hold a longer charge and hopefully have longer overall life.

        • Techie4066 on 19/05/2023 - 20:42
          -3

          Sorry to say, but they're at least 2 decades away from mass production.

          • David2017 on 19/05/2023 - 21:11
            +12

            @Techie4066: Toyota have been saying hydrogen is coming for two decades and now the UK are shutting down their trial stations. It makes no sense to take energy and then convert it to hydrogen when you can just put the original energy straight into a battery in the car. Every time you convert it you get losses. Once it's hydrogen then you have to convert it back into electricity to run the motor in a fuel cell car. It's the equivalent of walking outside and picking a tomato and a lettuce from your garden or walking to the nearest supermarket and buying them and then walking home again. One is much cheaper, faster and uses far less energy.

            Ninety percent of people don't drive more than 50 kms a day. Why you'd want to stop at a fuel station and fill up rather than just plug in when you get home is beyond me. Those stations are going to want to take their cut. You can't make hydrogen at home and if you could you'd be far better off just putting that energy straight into a battery. For the people who want to tow 40 tonne caravans up a hill for 3000 kilometres each day and never need to stop to eat or pee, they can stick with internal combustion.

            • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2023 - 19:28
              +1

              @David2017:

              you can just put the original energy straight into a battery in the car

              Wtf is 'original energy'? I don't recall that from Physics class…

              Every time you convert it you get losses

              Sure but why do you care? Solar is about 20% efficient so you're not making a good case here.
              All you should really care about is net cost and usability. And for mobile applications, portability, which batteries suck at once you need range and/or load.

              It's the equivalent of walking outside and picking a tomato and a lettuce from your garden or walking to the nearest supermarket and buying them and then walking home again. One is much cheaper, faster and uses far less energy.

              Is it?
              How much land are you dedicating to growing these tomatoes and lettuce? How much does that cost? How many hours are you putting into to water and feed them? Pest control? What do you do if you want a tomato today but the vine hasn't produced any?

              Why you'd want to stop at a fuel station and fill up rather than just plug in when you get home is beyond me

              Plug/unplug, plug/unplug, plug/unplug seems like more of a hassle to me, especially since like a lot of people I don't have a garage. And having to think about your refueling strategy before any long road trip is definitively more of a hassle, but each to their own…

              For the people who want to tow 40 tonne caravans up a hill for 3000 kilometres each day and never need to stop to eat or pee, they can stick with internal combustion.

              And the entire freight, shipping and Aircraft industries. I saw a gov report the other day that forecast fuel usage to double in the next 30 years, even with 50% of all personal vehicles being ICE. ICE isn't going anywhere soon.

      • Bryden on 19/05/2023 - 20:43

        Hydrogen infrastructure is absurdly expensive, and dangerous to store in a moving vehicle. 99% of applications are unsuitable, unfortunately

        • Techie4066 on 19/05/2023 - 20:44
          +1

          Sure. So the Toyota Mirai cars out on the streets are mobile bombs. You'd think such a conservative company would think about that before developing it?

        • tunzafun001 on 19/05/2023 - 21:17
          +1

          Saw a crirical accident report

          summary..

          Hydogen car - quick boom..eye brows gone, ear drum blown out, potential shrapnel.

          Petrol car - slow burning death as flames engulf.

    • Bryden on 19/05/2023 - 20:41
      +6

      There's a guy i know in Canada with a 500,000km Tesla model 3. original drive trains (no maintenance required), original battery (no maintenance required), original brake rotors, even original brake pads due to regenerative braking, hes reported a total maintenance cost of $250canadian. suggest for you to join "tesla high milage CLUB" group on facebook and observe to test and verify my claims.

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