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[QLD, Tesla] Tesla Supercharger $0.38 per kWh (was $0.60/kWh) @ Sunshine Plaza (Maroochydore)

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[QLD, Tesla] Tesla Supercharger $0.38 per kWh (was $0.60/kWh) @ Sunshine Plaza (Maroochydore)
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Gomo on 19/05/2023 - 19:17 sunshineplaza.com (487 clicks)
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Only applies to tesla owners, the supercharger site at Sunshine Plaza, in Maroochydore has recently changed pricing from $0.60c per kWh down to $0.38c per kWh!

This has to be the cheapest tesla supercharger in Australia ⚡

For those unfamiliar this means an average car can add 50kwh of storage for $19 instead of a usual cost $30 ,

The cheapest way to charge is at home during the day with solar 🔆⚡

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A Tesla Supercharger station is situated within the Kmart multi-level car park on Ground level. Capable of charging six Tesla electric vehicles at once. This station will be capable of rapidly charging a Tesla electric vehicle providing 120 kilowatts of power for a 270 klm trip, in half an hour.

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        • FredAstair on 19/05/2023 - 20:54
          +3

          a lot less every year.

          still better than maintaining a gas gusler i guess

          • Techie4066 on 19/05/2023 - 21:04
            -5

            @FredAstair: I'm not in favour of gas *guzzlers. I already made myself clear. And by the way, EV maintenance costs are greater than those of ICE factoring in battery replacement after 10-15 years.
            If hydrogen fuelling infrastructure had seen the investment EVs have received to date, it could be a real (and superior) alternative. Far less end-of-life waste, reduced material consumption and manufacturing costs, less dependence on questionable supply chains, significantly lighter vehicles and reduced energy consumption, air purification as air passes the fuel cell, refuelling times not much longer than what we're familiar with now, and so on. It makes far more sense in every way.

            • x d on 19/05/2023 - 21:13

              @Techie4066: It's coming.

              "Australia to invest $2 billion in hydrogen
              The Australian government has presented its 2023-2024 budget, with $2 billion (USD 1.35 billion) to be invested in hydrogen, while Austria, Germany, and Italy said they have started moving forward on a southern hydrogen corridor from North Africa to Northern Europe."

              • tunzafun001 on 19/05/2023 - 21:19
                +1

                @x d: Big Pete in SA said our Hydrogen plant will be fully functional in dec 2025…

                Currently, the site hasnt even been chosen. Very ambitious.

                • x d on 19/05/2023 - 21:26

                  @tunzafun001: It's a massive change in direction. Andrew Forrest's Fortescue Industries' interest is going to give this some serious momentum.

                  “It shows the government recognises the importance of the green hydrogen economy." - Fortescue Future Industries director Guy Debelle.

              • Squeezy on 20/05/2023 - 09:39
                +1

                @x d: Hydrogen is great for power stations ( Japan have converted some of their coal ones to run of Hydrogen ) and also large vehicles ( trains/ boates etc ). From what I have read it isnt that suitable for cars.

                The beauty is you can make it for very little cost if you are in an area serviced by LOTs of Solar and LOTS of Wind - some big sites proposed in WA up North

            • Bryden on 19/05/2023 - 21:51

              @Techie4066: Are you in the habit of driving your cars beyond 500,000kms? because with teslas, its practically zero maintenance to get there, and the battery degradation is around 20% at that point, if you try to use a combustion engine past 50,000kms without maintenance the engine will seize.

            • FredAstair on 21/05/2023 - 08:46

              @Techie4066: I guess you might be eating humble pie when quantum batteries are the norm

        • David2017 on 19/05/2023 - 21:21
          +3

          I love the how much is a battery pack going to cost questions. How much is a replacement engine? More than the cost of a battery it seems. https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/dodge-voids-hellcat-jailbr…

          Just like when something fails on an engine you don't throw the whole thing away, you replace the faulty bit. Once the cars are out of warranty there are Tesla and Prius repair businesses popping up everywhere that find the faulty cells or packs and replace them. It's not all or nothing.

          • x d on 19/05/2023 - 21:32
            +1

            @David2017: You need to look more into the ability to replace faulty cells or packs - ie. not feasible due to balancing issues. Look through TMC for more on this.

            It's a whole pack of battery or nothing.

            ICE engines engineering has peaked and reliability is sorted with engines from the right manufacturers lasting decades.

            • David2017 on 20/05/2023 - 10:45

              @x d: I guess Gruber motor and the other battery replacement places working on these cars don't exist. It's not a whole pack or nothing. Would you consider Kia, Ford or Toyota a right manufacturer? Their engine failures at the moment are legendary with dealerships literally littered with faulty engines. Ford have oil pickup problems in their diesels when doing an oil change and don't get me started on Toyota and their DPF problems. If Kia, Ford and Toyota have hit peak reliability there's very little anyone could say to convince you otherwise.

              • x d on 20/05/2023 - 11:11
                +1

                @David2017: I'm aware of Gruber. Have you seen the work done by 057 (wk057). The conclusion is replacing parts of the battery is only a short term solution with issues reappearimg a few months after due to balancing issues. Need a whole new pack.

                What about the unstoppable calendar aging of batteries which is more significant than cycling aging of batteries. After 10 yrs or so, even with low kms the EV will have degradation no matter what. A 10-15 yrs old ICE with 50000km will still run perfectly. An equivalent EV? I wouldn't take it anywhere far from home.

                Complete BS re comment on dealerships littered with failed engines.

                • David2017 on 20/05/2023 - 11:26

                  @x d: Go to any Kia dealership in the US or Australia. There was a video of Berwick Kia with a dozens of motors all laying on their side.https://www.drive.com.au/news/hyundai-and-kia-hit-with-class-action-engine-fires-failures-500000-cars-affected/ I guess this didn't happen because it's BS and your definition of peak reliability.

                  No one is making you buy an electric car. Stick with ICE if that's what makes you happy. I'd rather replace a battery after 7 years than have my 12 months old Hilux sit in a dealership for months at a time year after year because Toyota don't know how to fix their engine that's at your "peak reliability". It actually happened, meanwhile both the Tesla's we've had at the same time haven't seen a service department.

                  • x d on 20/05/2023 - 12:46
                    +1

                    @David2017: So now you admit to replacing a cell or module is useless?

                    So after 10 yrs (you chose 7 yrs because it's still in warranty right?) you are happy to pay $20000 for a battery pack to replace a failing battery pack? By that time how much is a model 3 worth? Who's going to throw $20k into that? And then you don't even get a "NEW" pack. From what I can gather, it's usually a refurbished one which has a shorter warranty period. Who knows when that's going to fail next.

                    Perhaps it's worth it for an expensive model S or X. No one is going to do that for a model 3 which means, off to the scrap heap.

                    There are millions of non DPF Toyotas running around with basic oil/fluid/tyre and brake changes for years. Even DPF ones have been sorted recently.

                    Oh BTW, I have a model 3 and an Outlander PHEV coming. Both moves made to take advantage of the FBT rules. Very quiet cars and will be nice to be in (except the interior of the 3 - hopefully not along with future rattles) but I have done heaps of research into EVs before committing. I am no way a fan of the environmental issues EVs produce (coal fired electricity anyone?) and won't hide any problems that the Tesla will develop in the coming years of ownership. Sold a 2013 Lexus ISF with 100000km that is so rock solid like the first day I got it, no oil use, still beautifully sounding and good as new power/economy and sad to let it go (though I enjoyed 6 yrs of ownership so now looking for a more comfortable ride). Now that's peak ICE engineering and reliability.

                    • David2017 on 20/05/2023 - 13:00

                      @x d: Can you quote my sentence where I said replacing a cell or module is useless? I suspect you're making that up just like when you said it was BS there were Kia dealerships littered with engines and it turns out there are 4 million affected cars.

                      • x d on 20/05/2023 - 13:04

                        @David2017: If you believe that you can replace a cell or module of an EV battery is a viable way to fix a failing battery then good luck to you.

                        I hope everybody else do more research, read through TMC and don't make that expensive mistake.

          • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2023 - 19:35
            +2

            @David2017:

            How much is a replacement engine? More than the cost of a battery it seems.

            It seems?

            There's not many times you would ever need to replace an entire engine. In most cases it is a component of the engine that needs replacing for much less cost than an entire battery pack. Even a full engine recondition strip-down rebuild is only $3-4k

          • Techie4066 on 20/05/2023 - 21:16

            @David2017: Lookie what we have here, unfortunately it wasn't released a day earlier to explain my point far more accurately and succinctly
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1kOLhhSjl8

            @Bryden @JumperC

          • FredAstair on 23/05/2023 - 13:17

            @David2017: I really dont get the ICE cult reactions.

            If they were around when cars started replacing horse and carriage, theyd probabky be arguing that cars are shit…

        • Cluster on 20/05/2023 - 01:12
          +4

          After 500k km does it really matter? Most ICE cars are on the scrap heap long before 500k km because they're uneconomical to repair due to their falling resale value. If a car has zero resale after 500k km, that's fine with me.

          Now I just know someone's going to say 'but my cousin's uncle has a Ford Falcon taxi that's done 700k km!' Okay, great. Now remove the survivorship bias and see when most ICE vehicles are scrapped.

        • JumperC on 20/05/2023 - 13:33

          Very few if any people will drive the car far enough in 30 years to have to replace the batteries let alone every 10 years.

          People quoting ‘10 years’ are more than a decade behind. The batteries are degrading much slower these days due to oversizing,, increased total size and smart battery management technology. Even older vehicles before much of these advancements are reaching 600,000 miles with 90% of max capacity remaining.

          You are going to have to own a commercial vehicle to even think about battery replacement. My 2 decade old ICE vehicle is now basically junk next time it dies, there are no spare parts available and haven’t been new ones available. The last repair was 90% the value of the car. And this is a top selling Mazda not some niche vehicle.

          Failures that require an engine replacement in an ICE car do happen. Had a Mitsubishi Prado lose an engine a decade back. Was worth $30k to replace so basically wrote off the car after 8 years. :/

          • x d on 20/05/2023 - 22:55

            @JumperC: Can You Trust Tesla's Impact Report Regarding Battery Packs? The Answer Is No
            28 Apr 2023, 20:13 UTC • By: Gustavo Henrique Ruffo

            https://www.autoevolution.com/news/can-you-trust-tesla-s-imp…

            My FIL killed an engine after a water hose cracked and he kept driving despite the warning lights in his Toyota Prado may be 15 yrs ago. $8k to fix. No way that an engine for a Toyota Prado is 30k. Or maybe you didn't have one because the Prado is not even made by Mitsubishi (unless it was a Pajero)

            Also battery over sizing? The original model S from a decade ago already had batteries from 60 to 100 kWh!

            • JumperC on 22/05/2023 - 08:50

              @x d: Sorry yes it was a Pajero, ended up replacing with a Prado (That next one got traded in with massive rust damage because apparently beach driving will kill vehicles fast no matter how thoroughly you under body wash). Can only say what the quote was, it was never actually fixed just traded in.

              And yes, only a handful of those battery packs have come anywhere near replacing yet. And that’s on cars that have done half a million miles with 90% remaining capacity.

              As the article you linked points out, the battery management system has drastically improved over the last decade.

              I don’t trust Tesla a moment but have extremely few reports of anyone actually getting battery packs replaced and the mileage is always ridiculous. Wouldn’t touch a Tesla due to their poor repairability as a brand.

    • coxymla on 19/05/2023 - 20:48
      +1

      Not really any different to the millions of tonnes of scrap cars that we already have.

      Sure, EVs are heavier than ICE overall, but only a bit. It's not an order of magnitude.

      Also, if we do see a majority EV fleet then it's quite possible that cars will be used for longer rather than being scrapped. It's conceivable than 10-15yo EVs will be perfectly serviceable, albeit with reduced range due to battery degradation, rather than unreliable ICE that are not worth fixing expensive transmissions, head gaskets, etc.

    • S Padival on 19/05/2023 - 20:51
      +13

      There are several Model 3s with 500k kms & still with only 20% degradation!! Even then, batteries can be recycled or even repurposed for other use where density is not an issue.

      Is some oil company sponsoring your research piece for you to pre-reach these conclusions? lol

      • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2023 - 19:39

        Is some oil company sponsoring…

        Yes. The oil companies are paying all of us off, and they also killed JFK and faked the moon landings…

    • M00Cow on 19/05/2023 - 21:07
      +3

      Well did you look at recycled lithium being more pure then the mined stuff? When there's a buck to be made, the market will kick in.

      I foresee batteries being like gas bottles, you'll jist seap.and go. The big boys will sort out the recharging & recycling.

      • Bryden on 19/05/2023 - 21:53

        this is the problem. duracell make disposable batteries, EVs use rechargable.

        • M00Cow on 19/05/2023 - 22:08

          Eh? I'm taking about recycling lithium batteries to use them again.

          The biggest mistake the oil lobby shrills make is assuming that after 10yrs (or 15yrs in reality) that a lithium battery is worth $0 and will be chucked. It's not and it can easily be recycled and reused as used lithium is more pure & worth more then it's mined counterpart.

          • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2023 - 19:48
            +1

            @M00Cow:

            The biggest mistake the oil lobby shrills

            Did you mean shills?
            You gotta get your insults right if you want to sound credible.

            assuming that after 10yrs (or 15yrs in reality) that a lithium battery is worth $0 and will be chucked.

            I didn't see where anyone wrote that? There is an unanswered question about batteries here, and last time I checked the BBC were hardly oil lobby shills : https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-lithium-batterie…

            It's not and it can easily be recycled and reused

            define easy, because these people say it's hard: https://www.wired.com/story/the-race-to-crack-battery-recycl…

            as used lithium is more pure & worth more then it's mined counterpart

            They also say you are wrong, recycling Lithium is more expensive than mining it.

            So every point you made is wrong, but asking these question makes us the 'oil lobby shrills'?

            • M00Cow on 20/05/2023 - 21:09

              @1st-Amendment: OMG I must defend my shrivelled investment. My Tesla is My World. I must defend my investment so others must pay OTT like I did. They must pay

              Dr Karl says recycled batteries produce better lithium iron then mined Lithium ion. Random mining shrill vs science dude. I'll pick science dude any day. But choose your own adventure.

              • 1st-Amendment on 22/05/2023 - 20:13

                @M00Cow:

                Dr Karl says…

                HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… are you serious?

                Random mining shrill vs science dude

                Not random mining 'shrill', the article I linked to had contribution from the largest lithium Ion recycler in the US and the ex founder and CTO of Tesla, both agreeing that it is really expensive to recycle. But I'm sure Dr Karl from the ABC knows better…

        • eddyah on 20/05/2023 - 21:50

          You can recycle batteries. Don't be a POS and throw them into the trash.

    • whats up skip on 19/05/2023 - 21:19
      +1

      There is more demand for batteries to recycle than there is supply. Much cheaper to recycle than mine and process.

    • x d on 19/05/2023 - 21:48

      It's funny how people are negging you when you are actually studying this in detail and seeing the problems!!!!

      The denial of issues by some are just mind boggling!

      • OzBerghainer on 19/05/2023 - 21:56
        +3

        I think the general consensus should be, not anti-EV, but just ensuring that our product stewardship laws are used appropriately to consider the end of life management of these batteries - otherwise it may be an environmental catastrophe

      • Techie4066 on 19/05/2023 - 23:27
        +2

        My concern exactly. A wave of potential complaints and resentment is yet to hit as the very new fleet of EVs out there age. The answers really aren't all on the table as people wishfully think. All concerns aside, for now they're the answer to our urban air pollution as they externalise that pollution to our power generators (which it could also be argued is more efficient than ICE as it's centralised). With that, another problem is raised - I don't foresee our grid coping with everyone charging EVs, no matter the generation sources.

        • JumperC on 20/05/2023 - 13:39

          Technologies like vehicle to grid make EVs the solution to, not that cause of, grid problems. We’re not going to dump 100% EVs on the grid overnight, it will take decades. We regularly have excess power during the day, there is a lot to soak up. Smart management systems could more or less remove the need for grid upgrades at all, let alone on the scale we’ve needed the last few decades to run home AC/s which almost always come on at peak hour on peak days.

          • Techie4066 on 20/05/2023 - 15:30

            @JumperC: Like widespread usage of EVs being decades away (as you say), the same could easily be the case for a modern grid and vehicle-to-grid systems in homes etc. Not to mention, vehicle-to-grid would be far less efficient than pumped hydro (or alternatives) due to the realities of energy loss in charging and discharging batteries.
            The government policy necessary for all this is almost never in alignment with the societal needs of the day. Climate policy has been lagging decades behind the science and I'd say that's a lot more imperative and consequential than EV policy.

          • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2023 - 19:51
            +1

            @JumperC:

            Technologies like vehicle to grid make EVs the solution to, not that cause of, grid problems

            It's not a solution if it doesn't exist yet, it's a pipe dream. It's a scary proposition that your proposed 'solution' relies on stuff that hasn't been invented yet. That seems rather reckless

            • M00Cow on 20/05/2023 - 21:17

              @1st-Amendment: No you're just a Russian bot here to stir up trouble it exist you can csn deny it but it's still exist

              • 1st-Amendment on 22/05/2023 - 20:14

                @M00Cow:

                it exist you can csn deny it but it's still exist

                Where? Just give us link to a real working example otherwise you are the Bot repeating anything the ABC tells you…

    • slipperypete on 19/05/2023 - 23:49

      I'm hearing differently. A friends partner is part of the recycling policy and the steps in place to mitigate this. Not saying I know more than you but would love to see your report to get an alternate view of hers

      • JumperC on 20/05/2023 - 13:44
        +1

        The materials are all 100% recyclable into new packs. The problem at the moment is so few are actually anywhere near end of life it’s not worth setting up mass recycling facilities yet.

        So most recycling currently tends to be for other uses; e.g. a vehicle with an 90% battery might not be enough range for the high use driver who managed to get it that low this fast, but it’s fine as a home battery where weight per unit capacity isn’t an issue but price is.

        • slipperypete on 20/05/2023 - 15:42

          thanks for the info. Just read your other posts. Nice to get a different view on this

  • Captain Hindsight on 19/05/2023 - 20:45
    +3

    Thx saw this on Tesla FB page hope more drop.

    Will add a note of caution, solar can be the cheapest to charge (but not for everyone). For me my solar is not compatible with charge HQ and also is much to small to cover the cars charging needs so actually will cost me less from 12-4am on Powershops EV plan. In the day even when solar is at its best most is still coming from the grid at a higher tariff.

    • randombrick on 19/05/2023 - 21:51

      My solar is also incompatible with ChargeHQ. So I rolled my own through some home assistant automations. Perhaps not as efficient as ChargeHQ but gives me what I need - i.e. soak up excess solar

      • Gomo on 20/05/2023 - 06:38

        Have a look at solar analytics that's what I use as my inverter wasn't able to work with chargehq but definitely works with solar analytics 👍

    • noz on 20/05/2023 - 09:11

      FYI ChargeHQ has an API that can help with integrating to non-supported inverters
      https://chargehq.net/kb/push-api

  • freedomofspeech on 19/05/2023 - 20:48

    expensive electricity..

    • M00Cow on 19/05/2023 - 21:08
      +1

      That's what i was thinking. Rather then selling my solar back at 5c, I'm gunna.get a electric car recharging station.

      • choofa on 19/05/2023 - 23:01
        +2

        This isn’t your standard power supply. This is industrial scale more than 10 times the amount of power your house solar can provide. And they do that with multiple chargers.

        Too many people underestimate the quality of vehicles and service that Tesla provides

        • JumperC on 20/05/2023 - 13:47

          I think people overestimate the quality of the vehicles and service Tesla provides. Even if they underestimate how rare needling one of these chargers is or the profit Tesla is making from charging.

    • ezzaf on 19/05/2023 - 21:52
      +1

      Still cheaper than petrol…

      • M00Cow on 19/05/2023 - 22:13
        +2

        But not as cheaper as ants. Both irrelevant.

        The power is expensive. My peak electricity is less then half of this. I imagine most of the charging is happening in offpeak, during the day when the grid is overload with cheap solar power. They're making a killing.

        • Captain Hindsight on 19/05/2023 - 22:46

          Wow are you saying your peak electricity is less than 19c per kWh? Who are you with and where do you live? My off peak is only just below 19c atm.

          • choofa on 19/05/2023 - 23:02

            @Captain Hindsight: Coal power in Victoria… dirty but cheap

            • JumperC on 20/05/2023 - 13:55

              @choofa: Coal’s the fourth cheapest power these days. But the cheapest base load. The fact that it’s unable to compete with cheaper solar/wind when those are available is why operators are closing plants. They can’t just spin it up when it’s worth selling so they end up selling at a loss during the day and have to hope they can make it up overnight. Gas can just sit there waiting for wind and solar to be unavailable and jump in when the price is high enough to justify burning expensive gas.

              Many providers are now making ‘off peak’ ‘when solar is available’ as well as overnight because power is cheap or even free at that point.

              • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2023 - 19:56

                @JumperC:

                The fact that it’s unable to compete with cheaper solar/wind when those are available is why operators are closing plants

                And you can't see a looming problem here?
                Let me spell it out. Once enough 'reliable' sources of energy shutdown permanently, then the next sundown occurs, what is the only possible result?
                I'll give you a clue, it starts with 'B' and ends in 'lackouts'. Is this the bright new future we're being asked to buy into?

                Many providers are now making ‘off peak’ ‘when solar is available’ as well as overnight because power is cheap or even free at that point.

                Not much solar power at night… Where are we getting our peak winter evening loads from with this plan?

                • choofa on 20/05/2023 - 20:55

                  @1st-Amendment: Batteries. Tesla has this solution covered too

                  • 1st-Amendment on 22/05/2023 - 20:18

                    @choofa:

                    Batteries. Tesla has this solution covered too

                    Show your working.

                    Do you have even the remotest idea how many batteries your would need to cover the entire nation's power requirements over one night?

                    And if the following day is cloudy you're still back to blackouts again. Is this your plan?

                • M00Cow on 20/05/2023 - 21:20

                  @1st-Amendment: C'mon Russian bot you've spewed enough crap.

                  • 1st-Amendment on 22/05/2023 - 20:19

                    @M00Cow:

                    C'mon Russian bot you've spewed enough crap.

                    Bot says bot…

                    Do you have anything to contribute to the discussion or are you from the school of 'anyone I don't like is Hitler'?

          • M00Cow on 20/05/2023 - 08:29

            @Captain Hindsight: 17c with EA.in Qld

    • TimApple on 20/05/2023 - 11:35

      They’re basically for convenience and speed. When you’re low on energy and on a road trip to Sydney you can’t go back home to charge.

  • hopper on 20/05/2023 - 09:31
    -1

    U can charge non tesla cars? Waiting for byd dolphin which might be under $20k. Poor mans ev

    • Squeezy on 20/05/2023 - 09:41

      handfull of Telsa chargers opened up now to non teslas

    • ialam99 on 22/05/2023 - 07:37

      "might be under $20k"…haha love your optimism. That's the price in china but im sure they'll add in the "because we can" markup before bringing it here.

    • TightAl on 31/05/2023 - 13:09

      U are dreaming, $20k lmao

  • botchie on 20/05/2023 - 15:09
    +1

    these Tesla posts have to be the most cringiest one on Ozbargain, all teals with pumped up chests beating on about some imaginary savings

    • TheCandyMan2020 on 20/05/2023 - 16:10
      +2

      Babe have you ever driven or even ridden in a Tesla?

      It is the future and a lot better than 90% of ICE cars on the road. Never going to buy ICE again.

      • Logical on 20/05/2023 - 16:40

        Hold up, Tesla removing the gear selector stalk in the new version of the 3 and you'll be swiping that screen back and forth when you want to do a 3 point turn. Plus other cost cutting measures coming up too…. It is going to be crappier future with more AI in cars, drivers will be dumbed down and there will be no fun in driving anymore.

        • buckster on 20/05/2023 - 18:46

          There'll always be fun enthusiast cars in the EV segment, even if not tesla (specially since they've canned the Model S for Aus)

          I'm sure an E-Tron GT will be fun and stay fun ;)

      • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2023 - 19:59
        +1

        Babe have you ever driven or even ridden in a Tesla?

        Yeah babe, and it was alright, but not worth paying 50%+ premium for.
        I thought this was OzBargain, not OzPay50%+MoreTheSameThing…

        • choofa on 20/05/2023 - 21:43

          Model 3 is easily 50% better than a Camry

          Saving the planet and driving superior cars with tax benefits

          • gofree on 21/05/2023 - 03:00
            +1

            @choofa: Sure, but if we open our eyes the reality is you're not really saving the planet.
            The power sector in Australia emitted 656.4 grams of carbon dioxide per kilowatt-hour (gCO2/KWh) of electricity generated in 2020. I acknowledge that this data might be a bit old. Model 3 uses about 16kWh/100km so in Australia that's about 105gCO2/km which is on par with a Corolla for example. Someone check my maths.

            • botchie on 21/05/2023 - 10:02
              +1

              @gofree: no need to check maths mate, tesla and save the planet teals are all rubbish, sure its a fine toy, like an ipad but who would buy 6 year old 2nd hand tesla and deal with out of warranty crap - no one.
              what this tesla bs push will do is cause more junk that needs to be disposed of - more minerals that are sourced, dug up , dumped back into earth when they pass their used by date.
              not to mention it only caters for old white privileged mob, the whole Tesla brand reacks of privilege .
              ive never seen a tesla owner that doesnt pass the chance to talk about their tesla - hence why these posts attract pages of teals commenting about dumbest BS you can read on the net
              its like they need a forum for themselves i recon

            • choofa on 21/05/2023 - 10:18

              @gofree: But this will only improve over time with greener power. And those right now who charge entirely from home solar are way ahead.

              • ialam99 on 22/05/2023 - 07:59

                @choofa: Its cute how some people believe an ICE engine and a power plant have a similar level of efficiency. An EV charged entirely from coal will still emit half the CO2 then an similar ICE car. What happens if the EV is charged during the day when there is excess solar in the grid?

                However personally, i couldn't care less about the environment. I needed to buy a new car as my old XR6 was starting to get very expensive to maintain. I tossed up between a camry and a model 3 and the model 3 came out on top with just FBT savings. Any savings on fuel, maintenance, etc will be icing on the cake.

                • 1st-Amendment on 22/05/2023 - 12:34
                  +1

                  @ialam99:

                  An EV charged entirely from coal will still emit half the CO2 then an similar ICE car.

                  I've looked into this and struggled to find definitive figures on it as every report seems to say something different.

                  The pattern that is emerging however is that over the lifecycle of the car, an EV with a small battery will produce less CO2 overall, but a large battery will produce the same CO2 or even more.
                  And this doesn't take into account the massive amounts of infra that need to be built support a large scale rollout of new tech.

                  So the environmental argument seem to be complete bunk.

                  I tossed up between a camry and a model 3 and the model 3 came out on top with just FBT savings.

                  And so this leaves this argument, which is yes, EV's can be good for many people. So what is frustrating about this is that if they are actually better for some people, why does the government need to use taxpayer's money to fund them? And if they are not better for others, then why are we being forced to give up what works for us?

    • ialam99 on 22/05/2023 - 07:49

      Tell me about it…one of these teals were explaining to me about these imaginary FBT savings…i told him a real australian doesn't skimp out on their taxes

  • Gomo on 02/06/2023 - 12:16

    Deal finished now $0.56c per kwh

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