So Losing Weight Is Now Considered Fat Phobic?

maxyzee on 18/05/2023 - 21:47

There’s been a trend lately of people that have gone through weight loss being labelled as fat phobic?

I remember a couple of years ago when Adele lost weight she was criticised which I think is hilarious. But now it seems like anyone who posts a before or shares anything weight loss related like diet tips or exercise advice as fat phobic. Even if that person is overweight themselves and are now actively trying to lose weight they are fat phobic. It means anyone that desires to be not overweight is somehow fat phobic.

I guess I’ve been fat phobic since I was 16 when I started working out and making sure I had a good amount of protein in my diet. But seriously, I’m somebody that treats people with respect regardless of what they look like or what colour they are, what orientation they are etc.

Am I getting old or something if I think that this trend is next level crazy?

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Comments

                    • [Deactivated] on 19/05/2023 - 21:47

                      @maxyzee: I know what you are getting at & as per my initial comment, I don't think there is any logic to it. It seems as odd to me as it obviously does to you.

                      My BFF is a GP and she has to tread ever so carefully when bringing up the topic of weight with patients as the issue is so sensitive. In fact, not that long ago, doctors were told not to initiate the subject if they didn't have any medical reason. Other health professionals are in a similar boat - podiatry patients complain that their feet hurt and their mobility is affected & spend thousands of dollars on orthotics, custom shoes, even surgery yet the core 'weight issue' is not addressed.

                      From memory, Adele was criticised as she had always stood for positive body image irrespective of size so her weight loss may have been perceived by a certain faction as selling out to pressure - if she always maintained that being a plus size wasn't an issue then why lose weight? A rather silly argument however overweight people do feel solidarity with others that also have weight issues because that means they're not alone and it's important to them for mental health reasons hence the striking out against Adele.

                      The stupidity of the media-labelling to keep the hype on blast doesn't do anyone any favours & simply causes further distress & division with what is already a complex issue for many.

                      • maxyzee on 19/05/2023 - 23:16

                        @[Deactivated]: Yeah both the MSM and SM are both to blame for hyping up both sides but one can’t help think one side is more logical than the other.

                        I understand that there are many nuances when it comes to managing weight. But at the end of the day being overweight or obese is not healthy and I can’t understand why people would not see that.

                        I see it sorta the same as smoking. Everyone knows in today’s day and age that smoking is detrimental to your health. So when someone comes out and states that they’ve quit smoking it’s universal praise for that person making that step.

                        Even if such a movement were to exist, it would inevitably have to concede that smoking is a personal choice, subject to the individual's autonomy. The fundamental understanding would remain that smoking is unequivocally harmful, and any divergence from that perspective would likely be met with scrutiny.

                        So just as society overwhelmingly supports those who choose to quit smoking, the focus should be on promoting healthier lifestyles and fostering understanding rather than validating harmful behaviours.

                        • [Deactivated] on 20/05/2023 - 09:33

                          @maxyzee: Humans are complicated!

                          It's not as simple as just reducing portion size/changing your diet when some people may have years/decades worth of unhealthy habits to unravel, no financial means of accessing the type/level of assistance that may be required & possibly, even a genetic pre-disposition to obesity. And not to mention contending with the mental health toll. It can be a lot for certain people.

                          • maxyzee on 20/05/2023 - 23:35

                            @[Deactivated]: Yes exactly. And when somebody makes that step and is successful how in any shape or form does that deserve any sort of critism.

                            • [Deactivated] on 21/05/2023 - 10:25

                              @maxyzee: I've already explained my take on that.

                          • Protractor on 22/05/2023 - 21:59

                            @[Deactivated]: Humans are complicated!

                            No, they aren't ,really. NATURE may be complicated. But humans are pretty simplistic creatures always looking for the beneficial shortcuts. Be it ego,gratification,power or wealth.

                    • Natt on 21/05/2023 - 17:53

                      @maxyzee: I hardly think the OP knows Adele. And what they do know is absorbed through multiple filters including theirs. Neither is there any evidence to back up their statements.

                      So yes I think its reasonable to call it projection. The OP was seeking validation. Not healthy discussions.

                      It would be just as fair to say that an obese person is generally happy for a person who has lost weight. They are also mindful to be supportive as its easy to regain.

                      As for obesity being one of the 'easier' health issues to fix. Just like any other self-harming behaviour it can be a sign of mental illness, spousal abuse, financial insecurity, food insecurity, multi-generational environment and a whole host of other factors.

                      Heck we have a housing crisis, real wages are going backward, there are so many unnecessary deaths, the heath system is shockng and our planet is borked. So obviously humans are not great at 'solving' things.

                      If the OP really wants to add something positive there are plenty of places to start.

                      Here is just one example of physical abuse by a partner has a potential increase in obesity frequency.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5808410/

                      But hey they just need to eat less right OP?

                      • Protractor on 21/05/2023 - 20:16

                        @Natt: "As for obesity being one of the 'easier' health issues to fix. Just like any other self-harming behaviour it can be a sign of mental illness, spousal abuse, financial insecurity, food insecurity, multi-generational environment and a whole host of other factors."
                        Yes, but you left out the main one.Sloth.
                        S-L-O-T-H.

                        • Natt on 21/05/2023 - 22:37

                          @Protractor: And the answer to middle class poverty is to earn more. The answer to the climate crisis is stop polluting. The answer to hunger, share resources.

                          Depression… Well you can just stop being sad…. Stop being weak

                          Being trans, well just suck it up snowflake…

                          Beat up someone else … Just stop it

                          Someone is being abused… Well they can just leave right?

                          True causation looks for the 'why'. OK so an obese person tales in more calories than they need and stores that. But why?

                          Repeating they are slothful and stopping there obviously isn't working? But why?

                          You won't ever hear me promoting obesity. But neither will I write a person offf for it or decide that I know their circumstances and what they need most.

                          Brains are amazing but they are complex. And can be chemically altered setting up 'rewards pathways' with dopamine and other feel good chemicals. Stress can cause physical ailments.

                          Do you know how much stress illness costs business? I guess those people are all weak or sloths too?

                          https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-10/anxiety-in-the-workpl…

                          It's just NOT that simple

                          • Protractor on 22/05/2023 - 10:19

                            @Natt: I said it was another causal factor, not the only one. But by god it's the dominant one.

                            • Natt on 22/05/2023 - 11:38

                              @Protractor: Hmm I see it more complex. But I get what you are saying and appreciate the reply :)

                              And I mostly agree. I mean it is the immediate treatment to loose weight for a reason!

                              Its just a case of looking at the rest. Or the weight can go right back on plus some more.

                    • Protractor on 21/05/2023 - 20:14

                      @maxyzee: Her weight would normally be nobody else's business, but she's Adele. The biggest vultures around weight loss are other women. They see the success of other 'fit' and happy women as a direct attack and threat on their lives.Add social media into the mix and them green eyed monsters are like honey to a pot.

                      Comparison is not only NOT a crime, it's actual human behaviour. Modern western cultures ( the worst versions of) want to legitimise deliberate obesity as the new norm. Groups like Collective Shout have controlled this space in political circles for years. Religious based ,right wing conservative narrow minded bullies.

                  • ozhunter on 20/05/2023 - 13:36

                    @[Deactivated]:

                    Multiple reasons means different solutions, no?

                    Not necessarily.

                    Eat healthy foods and not too much. It's not rocket science.

                    • [Deactivated] on 20/05/2023 - 14:33

                      @ozhunter: I think it is on par with rocket science otherwise it wouldn't be the universal problem it is

      • infinite on 19/05/2023 - 22:53
        +1

        It's yet another 'OP finds fat folks despicable' post

        Morbid Obesity is despicable.

  • mavis30551 on 19/05/2023 - 15:18
    -1

    there should be a movement to ostracise fat people cause theyre gross.

  • sa-ozzie on 19/05/2023 - 15:22
    -3

    Shoosh ..the woke police are monitoring these post..Their opinions are always right

  • herecomestheoost on 19/05/2023 - 15:27

    :D

  • Brianqpr on 19/05/2023 - 16:05
    +1

    "You fat bastard, you fat bastard" was and maybe still is a favourite chant in English football grounds.

  • MessyG on 19/05/2023 - 17:17
    +5

    There is a very sensible shift away from focusing on weight and weight loss in the short term, to accumulating good health behaviours in the long term. Why? Firstly, there are a lot of people out there who lose weight and still have heart attacks because their dietary composition is terrible, just low calorie. Secondly, because it's now been 50 years of focusing on reducing weight as a health measure, and at a population level, it hasn't worked. Lots of evidence for that, hence the removal of that scene from the Bluey episode based on the advice from a hell of a lot of experts in the field. By removing that scene we learn instead that Bluey's Dad is focusing on his health because it is a good thing to do, instead of his stomach or a scale.

    Eating lean, high protein, exercising regularly, these are all great health behaviours. Posting before and after weight loss pics, while satisfying don't say that much about someones health. Plenty of influencers out there skinny and muscly af while promoting health shakes, while at the same time mowing through meth and steroids. It matters less how you look, and more what you do. And usually they align anyway, if you're fit and eat well, you look and feel better, regardless of your weight.

    It's a complex discussion and is also a huge shift from a culture that we've all grown up with and have normalised. But it isn't working. I agree with you that the outrage and the attacking rather than educating on why we need to move on from this culure, is really annoying.

    There are so many more health gains to be made from exercise, a good diet, good sleep, a supportive community, and lowered stress levels than just simply weight loss and I wish people would promote that instead.

    • morse on 19/05/2023 - 17:24
      +1

      Best comment on this post! Thank you!

    • infinite on 19/05/2023 - 22:58
      +1

      Secondly, because it's now been 50 years of focusing on reducing weight as a health measure, and at a population level, it hasn't worked.

      It hasn't worked because people allowed themselves to get more obese over time, not less.

      Compounding that problem has then been the education system which removed basic standards of physical health expectations from it's curriculum, in turn failing multiple generations of kids by allowing them to get obese by reducing their physical play and PE time.

      • belongsinforums on 20/05/2023 - 17:57

        ever been to a school recently? kids get loads of play time, but their lunchboxes are full of crap. once i saw a kid eating a boxed meal from kfc for lunch. apparently mum delivers it to the school every day.

        • MessyG on 20/05/2023 - 19:04
          +1

          That's a great example of how it looks so simple but is actually complex. You have no idea what is going on in that kids home. Here are the factors you can unpack from that (it's actually a lot more complicated but just to give you an idea:

          1. High availability, low cost of food compared with time to prepare
          2. Parents ability to make lunches - lots of factors here, time poor, resource poor, conflict in the home (lots and lots of hidden DV these days), knowledge poor, is there intergenerational trauma, is the parent depressed, are they well supported enough at home, both parents have work to maintain rent or mortgage now etc
          3. Fast food nutritional composition - stuff like this wasn't available a hundred years ago, why is it now? Should it be? Should there be regulation in fast food composition (ie limits on sodium, sat fat, sugar content) given these foods are extremely available and convenient?
          4. Child factors - are they on the spectrum and have food aversions that the parents can't afford or can't access treatment for? Have they gone through a hard time and this is the only way the parent knows how to cope?
          5. Food availability - in developed countries, way higher than its ever been, big business has teams of psychologists and biochemists who work to make food give you higher and higher dopamine hits and attract you to it, supermarkets flog it the nutritionally empty staff at every possible moment, preying on peoples long term chronic stress and exhaustion from overwork

          The list goes on and on and all of the above are being researched. It is not as simple as everyone makes it out to be, frankly for their own convenience.

          • belongsinforums on 20/05/2023 - 20:47

            @MessyG: You're right. People are not to blame. Uncontrollable factors like not wanting to cook are.

            • MessyG on 22/05/2023 - 13:28

              @belongsinforums: Well you've got it all figured out there, who needs research and change? It's so simple huh, I wonder why nothing changes…

              (Also suggest taking the idea of 'blame' out of the argument, and instead of focusing on modifiable factors but what do I know!)

        • morse on 20/05/2023 - 20:20

          How do you know mum doesn’t work at KFC and this is an affordable option for her? How do you know it’s not actually home cooked food disguised as KFC for a kid with a sensory issues or autism or similar who wouldn’t eat otherwise?

          Also why are you gossiping with other teachers/parents/kids about what other families are sending for lunch?

        • noideaa on 01/06/2023 - 10:12

          ”Recently” is the keyword here. Most moms were at home before society pressured them to work full time and made it impossible to sustain living as a breadwinner in this day and age so they don’t have the time and energy to prepare them proper food unlike 20 years ago.

      • MessyG on 20/05/2023 - 18:53

        I wholeheartedly and enthusiastically recommend you go and read the last decade of research on this topic, so you too can learn the environmental, psychological and population level complexity behind this. The attitude that people have 'let' themselves become obese is actually part of the problem and is frankly, wrong.

        • infinite on 27/05/2023 - 23:35
          +2

          It's the literal reason.

          No one decides what they put in their mouths other than themselves and no one decides how much exercise they do each day other than themselves.

          You either make a good choice or a bad one.

    • Protractor on 20/05/2023 - 21:27

      Overweight people eat excuses more than any other food source. And you just supplied a smorgasbord.

      • TBC (I'm not talking about that rare single figure % cohort with a LEGITIMATE medical or mental health condition that subsequently acquire excessive weight, or weight retention, as a consequence or side effect of that situation)

      Australia has an obesity problem, just like the rest of the western world.If this was (should be) a 'user pays' situation and not a burden on the health system I'd say who cares, whose business, go for it, etc. But that is NOT what's going on here.

      We don't need and should not fat shame ppl. Nor should we look away, excuse ,justify or enable.

      Also sh*t being said on social media is not a trend

      • MessyG on 22/05/2023 - 13:30

        Old fashioned way of thinking the 'excuses' thing. But carry on, you've got it all figured out, who needs research science?

        • Natt on 22/05/2023 - 17:41

          Not them sigh, better to engage in harmful unhelpful behaviour and refuse to entertain any other options.

          And in their mind the fatties are the problem. Not them.

          People can make irrational decisions. I get that.

          But demonising someone for making poor choices while doing the same yorself is not Ok.

          • Protractor on 22/05/2023 - 19:37

            @Natt: If your claim that 'most' obese Australians are victims of that list of your excuses, then it's no wonder the streets in cities and suburbs are beginning to look like Goggle box participants. You are putting everyone overweight in the victim box. Not helpful either

            • Natt on 22/05/2023 - 21:11

              @Protractor: I never made that claim.

              I did was say its an irrational choice to 'blame and shame' when evidence indicates that its not useful.

              And that defending that choice seems like a poor decision to me.

              So if it is a poor decision, why don't people choose to invest their energy in what works instead of satisfying their own 'ego' by imposing their 'truth'.

              When you read this comment, pay attention to your thoughts. Do you disagree for evidence based reasons or just because looking at 'Goggle box participants' somehow offends you.

              And if its the second, why the hell would you be personally offended? I am genuinely curious to know.

              • Protractor on 22/05/2023 - 21:51

                @Natt: If you want to justify ,validate or enable avoidable medical misery knock yourself out.
                But at least advocate a user pays model while you do so.

                • Natt on 22/05/2023 - 22:26

                  @Protractor: As long as its applied consistently, sure.

                  And yep obesity causes medical misery. Its not a good choice.

                  But its not going to be addressed by 'fat shaming'. And I guess it fires me up when I see it as its counterproductive.

                  Beware the gratuitous swearing:
                  https://youtu.be/p00YdRV2BGU

      • belongsinforums on 01/06/2023 - 15:17

        Never been to europe, i see

  • maverickjohn on 19/05/2023 - 18:40
    +2

    The people who are saying this are idiots. Don't cave in to this bs.. doing something to improve your lifestyle and fitness should be positive not negative

  • DoctorCalculon on 19/05/2023 - 20:27
    +1

    I think that this trend is next level crazy

    Please provide evidence of this alleged trend. It seems to be all in your mind.

    • Magicmannn on 19/05/2023 - 21:58

      probably got profiled too

  • 2esc on 19/05/2023 - 21:11

    What trend? Where are you finding this.

    • us3rnam3tak3n on 19/05/2023 - 22:29
      +3

      Yeah, not a trend. Some people dive so far down the rabbit hole they lose their sense of what's really going on.

      • SpainKing on 20/05/2023 - 10:54
        -1

        You guys could not be pedants and try to engage with the topic rather than being upset he chose to use the word "trend". I'll help you out

        "Lately I've noticed people that have gone through weight loss are labelled as fat phobic?"

        "Am I getting old or something if I think that this is next level crazy?"

        Bagging on the OP because they chose to use the word trend is a bit dumb when it's only in two sentences

  • OzzyOzbourne on 19/05/2023 - 23:16
    +2

    It's another USA woke bs thing, but unfortunately it's catching on in the rest of the west. There's already supposed medical professionals promoting being fat as being healthy on prime UK tv and you can guarantee that it'll be coming here too. Strangely it only applies to people who identify as female, fat men are still…..well fat shamed.

  • GodsSon23 on 19/05/2023 - 23:43
    +1

    So is being proud of getting yourself back in shape after being pregnant. Nothing by jealous, lazy people.

  • cadwalader on 19/05/2023 - 23:51
    +1

    who cares what the onliners think? you lose weight for yourself not the twitterati.

  • BeauKilla on 20/05/2023 - 00:16

    Wow touch grass mate

    • SpainKing on 20/05/2023 - 10:58

      God damn BeauKilla's so cool I wish I could be him telling people to touch grass. He definitely didn't learn the term while not touching grass

      Some people say he has an ebtire grass suit with grass-lined gloves just so he could never be stung by the trend of people telling him to "touch grass"

      Truly the hero we needed but never could have earned

  • burns13 on 20/05/2023 - 07:18

    Our plump brothers and sisters say all the overt celebrations around weight loss casts constant shame on those who are comfortable living with a few extra kgs.

    • BartholemewH on 20/05/2023 - 20:00
      +1

      Which brothers and sisters are these? I'm fat af, and would never do anything but applaud those losing weight.

      • Natt on 21/05/2023 - 17:57

        Exactly :)

  • baldur on 20/05/2023 - 09:32
    +2

    I dont see any benefit with being fat. You cant even walk fast enough and you are proud of this?

    This is a foul age thanks to the woke crew, sjws and cancel culture.

    • SBOB on 20/05/2023 - 09:50
      +4

      foul age thanks to the woke crew,

      Indeed.
      I'm most impressed by the fact that there's no overweight conservatives

      • Protractor on 20/05/2023 - 22:32

        Indeed.
        "apparently"semen is not fattening (unless ingested via the reproductive system)

      • Gervais fanboy on 20/05/2023 - 22:41
        -1

        Deliberately or not, you have completely botched his point.
        Overweight people exist in all factions.
        But you only see fatties from one particular group (libs) celebrating obesity and claiming they are just as ‘healthy’ and that there’s nothing harmful about being fat.

        • Randolph Duke on 21/05/2023 - 07:14
          +1

          Agree, I find elements of the body positivity movement concerning, celebrating an unhealthy weight feels like an excuse to not make positive changes in your life.

  • baldur on 20/05/2023 - 09:39
    +4

    This is a stupid age that when you have sex with only opposite gender, eat meat, keep yourself fit, you are being bashed for being normal. SMH.

    • Randolph Duke on 21/05/2023 - 07:10
      -3

      Give us a spell snowflake.

      • baldur on 21/05/2023 - 08:03

        FU

  • RiseAndRuin on 20/05/2023 - 12:41
    +1

    You can thank modern wokeism/feminism https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OwEOew0keag

  • Natt on 20/05/2023 - 15:55
    +1

    You admitted that you are fatphobic and I think you should consider that your question is an extension of this. And you are projecting.

    Hey it's okay to think less of someone because of their size… Because even if you are one of 'them' and get 'better' you still get made out to be the 'villain'.

    Thus I am not the villain, it's them. And how dare they do that when I treat them properly despite them being villains.

    And to convince myself of that I will go online seeking validation.

    Please….

    The only concern imho with obesity should be that like smoking it kills and shortens life. But a person is no less for being obese. They are simply just being human with all of the strengths and weakness that brings.

    It just that your strength and weaknesses are different. You might find looking after your physical health easy/ier but struggle with things like.. Empathy

    • ozhunter on 20/05/2023 - 16:03
      +1

      But a person is no less for being obese.

      they are more

      They are simply just being human with all of the strengths and weakness that brings.

      True, but it is seen as one of the easier things to control. Obesity seems less of a problem for those who are poor or live in poorer countries

    • maxyzee on 20/05/2023 - 16:06

      Really that's what you took out of it? The OP was around people that lost weight and copped criticism for it. Not about the criticism of obese people. Yes I do believe there are many nuances when it comes to weight loss and I myself have through that journey.

      What my OP was drawing attention to was just by the sheer fact of taking on a weight loss journey that in some way is a negative and should be looked down upon. I know that's a minority of viewpoints but I'm bewildered that it even exists at all.

  • figarow on 20/05/2023 - 19:05
    -2

    Get woke, go broke.

    • SBOB on 20/05/2023 - 21:37

      whats the inverse?
      stay asleep, remain solvent?
      :/

  • quanticism on 20/05/2023 - 21:05

    Do you have any examples backing up your observations? Links to popular tweets or reddit threads, etc?

  • Protractor on 20/05/2023 - 21:12

    The latest Aust of the Year is an obesity enabler.Period

    And playing the "it's woke" card is the new Godwins Law.
    Zero work ethic involved

  • Protractor on 20/05/2023 - 21:30
    +2

    Playing the "it's woke" card is the new Godwins Law.

    Zero work ethic involved

    • SBOB on 20/05/2023 - 21:39
      +1

      you said that already.
      is this like one of those punchlines where a comedian doesnt get a laugh, so they try again?

      • Protractor on 20/05/2023 - 22:27
        -1

        Yes. That's it. Genius observation. Kudos to you.
        Are you a "woke card" playing wannabe comedian who never got the balls to get on stage , [let alone win the crowd over] ?

        Or just a classic example of my comment?

      • Gervais fanboy on 20/05/2023 - 22:45
        -3

        Btw this one’s way more unhinged than our good mate Slav and yet 0 penalties, minimal dislikes and no stigma until you just surprised me with your reply to him.
        Anyways, he’ll be a good social experiment for how the rest of the libs here deal with him.

        • Protractor on 21/05/2023 - 19:02

          There's ppl here who aren't Libs?

    • baldur on 21/05/2023 - 08:05

      Still much better than to be actually woke.

  • figarow on 21/05/2023 - 11:09
    +1

    Woke has only one purpose

    • SupeNintendoChalmers on 21/05/2023 - 14:47
      +1

      You could say both the extreme left and right have one mutual goal.

      Control. That is the end game.

      • Protractor on 21/05/2023 - 19:04
        -2

        pray tell what does this unicorn of the extreme left look like? Grannies enlisted to Extinction Rebellion stopping a it of traffic, or hippies chained to a dozer?

  • hawkshead on 21/05/2023 - 13:48
    +3

    I think you'll find there's a lot of buttheads out there who will be like "im loosing weight and everybody else who isnt is pathetic" and try to shame others.
    or try to shame people into something to make money. The diet industry has been abusing people for profit for decades and it extends into the medical industry with heartless doctors who instead of realising the reality of people's lives refuses them basic decency because of their weight.
    It's not new, you might just be noticing this.

  • StalkingIbis on 21/05/2023 - 14:38
    +3

    I know someone who works in a clinical setting and was at a meeting discussing their patient's needs.

    They mentioned that one of their patients was obese (the medically correct term to describe the condition of the patient) and got chipped by their peers that the correct term they should be using is 'person living in a larger body'.

    Unreal….but real.

    • belongsinforums on 22/05/2023 - 13:55

      Apache helicopter meme comes to mind

    • Protractor on 22/05/2023 - 22:07

      Yep. Dumfkry
      Solution?Just provide 3 meals of chocolate puddings and 3 of nutrition and let them choose.If they choose the crap 3 in row discharge them.

      Straya is now enabling sh*t outcomes (for patients and the tax payer and broader community_ as a default) because the shape shifters like the obesity apologist industry have the upper hand. The current govt has legitimised this via the latest Strayan of the year joke

  • SupeNintendoChalmers on 21/05/2023 - 14:44
    +1

    We live in a post truth world.

  • mooney on 21/05/2023 - 17:06
    +2

    TLDR: OP either makes things up or lacks critical thinking.

    Anecdotal feedback: I just lost a tonne of weight and have received nothing but compliments. Not one person spat at me and called me a fat phobic scab.

  • bigbadboogieman on 21/05/2023 - 22:29
    +1

    I lost 52 KGs in the last 2 years. No one has called me a fat phobic yet however if someone did, I would invite them to gain 52KGs and say that I would gladly support them in their endeavour.

    • maverickjohn on 22/05/2023 - 07:30

      To get cardiovascular disease and does from heart failure?.
      Support might be a strong word

      • bigbadboogieman on 22/05/2023 - 07:31

        Fat phobic is also a strong word.

        • maverickjohn on 22/05/2023 - 08:47

          It's not phobic if you are supporting them to improve their health and wellbeing

          • Natt on 22/05/2023 - 09:57

            @maverickjohn: Its not 'phobic' if you are supporting someone in a meaningful way.

            Otherwise its actually achieving the opposite and is harmful https://www.bbc.com/news/health-49714697

            And yes I have no doubt that some people will think that is being a 'snowflake'. But those people should be asking themselves why they feel the need to do something that is not useful to satisfy their own personal belief its appropriate. Despite evidence it does the opposite.

            I know more than anyone, I have the solutions….eat less fatty! Oh and I won't say it quite like that, I am only caring about your health of course. Although I barely know you or understand you. I feel that I know more that you and that if I just say it you will be instantly convinced. And if you don't well that's because you are fat and lazy?

            So how does that help you reckon?

            • maverickjohn on 22/05/2023 - 17:49

              @Natt: Because there is evidence base. I'm not sure what you do. But in my 18 year history as a cardiology nurse I would say I know better around what constitutes risk factors to coronary artery disease and heart failure than others. It's our job to educate and support the patients we look after and for many that also means to lose weight.

              • Natt on 22/05/2023 - 19:24
                +1

                @maverickjohn: Honestly what you are describing sounds like meaningful support.

                My apologies that I fired off a response so quickly.

                Reading it sounds like I was having a go at you, when it relates more to my worry that as a 'society' there is a shortage of support and a tendency to go straight to 'blame and shame' instead.

                Shame is a powerful motivator, but I am not convinced that its a good one.

                • Protractor on 22/05/2023 - 21:54

                  @Natt: "Shame is a powerful motivator, but I am not convinced that its a good one."

                  Nor am I or most ppl sold on an apologist model.

  • dylo on 22/05/2023 - 06:18
    +4

    Came to see how many people used the words "woke" "leftist" "socialist" "drag queens" and was not disappointed.

    • Protractor on 22/05/2023 - 10:21

      Kind of sums up the dominating demograph here, innit?

  • Wasabi Ninja on 22/05/2023 - 12:38

    Not sure why anyone cares.
    Fat people wont be around long. Stuff your face silly and go out with a bang. Sounds like an enjoyable way to spend your one life.

    • belongsinforums on 22/05/2023 - 13:51
      +1

      The public pays for others' poor health choices with tax money though

      • Wasabi Ninja on 22/05/2023 - 14:51

        And we pay for the ramifications of alcohol and gambling addiction. Fatalities on the road caused by human error and much more. If we stopped people from making bad choices then we wouldn’t need to pay as much tax I guess.

        • belongsinforums on 22/05/2023 - 19:22

          Agree. And chocolate is delicious. Today is Monday. Tomorrow is Tuesday.

  • Cletus vandamme on 22/05/2023 - 12:52
    +2

    This is what happens when you live life through social media. People in the real world would just say congratulations with the weight loss. Manufactured outrage is just that, get off social media and live your life the way you want. The whole American left vs right political discourse is bleeding into Australia and it's just become a disease. In real day to day interactions no one talks the way they do like they do online.

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