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Kingston NV2 PCIe Gen 4 NVMe M.2 2280 SSD: 1TB $66, 2TB $139 + Delivery ($0 MEL C&C) @ BPC Technology

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Kingston NV2 PCIe Gen 4 NVMe M.2 2280 SSD: 1TB $66, 2TB $139 + Delivery ($0 MEL C&C) @ BPC Technology
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Look Up on 16/04/2023 - 21:38 bpctech.com.au (798 clicks)
Last edited 17/04/2023 - 11:23 by 1 other user

Cheap disposable Gen 4 drive
Good for gaming storage, ghetto PS5 setups (add cheap heat sink) and storing any data that is safe to lose
1TB SNV2S/1000G
2TB SNV2S/2000G

SNV2S/1000G

Controller: Variable
Memory: Variable
DRAM Cache: None
Sequential Read: 3500 MB/s
Sequential Write: 2100 MB/s
Random Read: N/A
Random Write: N/A
Endurance (TBW): 320 TB
Warranty: 3 Years

SNV2S/2000G

Controller: Variable
Memory: Variable
DRAM Cache: None
Sequential Read: 3500 MB/s
Sequential Write: 2800 MB/s
Random Read: N/A
Random Write: N/A
Endurance (TBW): 640 TB
Warranty: 3 Years

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  • OZBUser2022 on 16/04/2023 - 21:39
    +2

    Store the data safe to lose?
    Do you mean that the ssd is not durable?

    • Commodore64 on 16/04/2023 - 21:46
      +6

      320TBW for a 1TB drive isn’t a huge amount of confidence in the drive.
      Blah blah.. it might last forever depending on how you use it.. blah blah but it might also last less long than other drives… blah blah TBW debate.

      • XCelR8 on 17/04/2023 - 10:41
        +1

        Gotta be honest the talk about small TBW is massively over blown.

        The 2TB drive is the equivalent of reading/writing 40GB Per day over 10 years.

        Its a good drive but people need to stop talking about TBW unless you are a video / photography editor or someone who uses a HUGE amount of data, for any average user or gamer this drive will be a good choice for a budget drive.

        • Commodore64 on 17/04/2023 - 10:56

          Also might not be a good choice for a system drive, I managed to reach 100% on a Crucial P1 running Linux after about 18 months….
          I believe docker and images are to blame there though

    • spb on 16/04/2023 - 21:49
      +4

      Probably a reference to the fact it is DRAM-less and will not manage it's write cycles as well. So they are generally used to write once read many such as games, long term backups would be fine but I would just recommend coughing up the extra for some drives with DRAM for peace of mind.

      • netsurfer on 16/04/2023 - 22:17
        +3

        The write cycles is not determined by having DRAM, it is based on the NAND itself. TBW is mostly a figure the SSD manufacturer is willing to cover in terms of warranty. Value oriented SSDs only have 3 years warranty and it is common to see much lower TBW for those SSDs. Another reasons for low TBW for NV2 is Kingston can swap the NAND with QLC. Some NV2 do use QLC NAND chips.

        DRAMless SSDs do use HMB. If you want do love writing lots of small files very often to the SSD, then SSDs with DRAM might be better. However, we are seeing MX500 2TB and 4TB lowering the amount of DRAM so it is not exactly that clearcut.

        Cheap disposable Gen 4 drive

        That implies DRAMless. OP also mentioned you won't know which controller and NAND you will get. That is a bigger concern than DRAMless. Both XBox Series X and PS5 internal SSDs are DRAMless. All my SSDs which failed so far are: SSDs with DRAM. Zero of them managed to reach 1.5TBW. So this SSDs with DRAM having superior write cycles is not true in real life (two of them probably had cost effective grade NAND chips). Honestly, there are so many factors which cause SSDs to fail early.

        • BargainHunterJohnnyB on 16/04/2023 - 22:37

          Do you think that SDRAM is that much more superior to one that 'only' has HMB?

          • netsurfer on 16/04/2023 - 22:46
            +1

            @BargainHunterJohnnyB: The main issue with HMB is its size. Generally, it is around 64MB. For a proper / flagship class DRAM NVMe SSD, a 1TB SSD should have a 1GB DRAM. However, it really comes down to how often you do writes and whether you write lots of small files.

            Write cycles is not an issue with modern DRAMless SSDs because if we really think about it, the dynamic SLC used by NVMe SSDs nowadays will require re-write into TLC or QLC format. That wears out cells more than file allocation table type data. People might be more comfortable with an SSD with DRAM for main OS and/or work SSD.

            • BargainHunterJohnnyB on 16/04/2023 - 22:49

              @netsurfer: Yeah for sure, in my experience, when I am gaming on my desktop, there's not that much difference between the 6000mb/sec Samsung Gen 4 M.2 Nvme SSD and the 150-160mb/sec WD Black 3.5" HDD.

              Ideally, I'd always want to have a 2TB gen 4 m.2 - but even a 256gb SOLID quality, top of the line M.2 SSD is enough for the OS and associated software, and then a cheap m.2 or HDD for mass storage.

              • netsurfer on 16/04/2023 - 23:00

                @BargainHunterJohnnyB: Depends on the games though game loading from SSD would be much faster in general. The main thing is that DirectStorage isn't a key feature developers want to prioritise on at the moment. Generally, the preference is to spend time on better fps, fix bugs. Developers still prefer RAM (technically VRAM) over SSD.

                • BargainHunterJohnnyB on 16/04/2023 - 23:15

                  @netsurfer: Yeah that's true, but so far I have not noticed anything 'that bad' about the HDD…. 150 - 160mb/sec is plenty for playing video games and even watching 4k movies… although if i was editing some heavy duty videos, I'd probably have a more expensive MOBO with a few gen 4 SSDs…

                  Speaking of which, I guess we're getting to the days where it costs about the same to buy a few 2tb SSDs and mount them to those PCIE 4.0 x16 GPU-like boards - then it is to buy a 4TB HDD for example…

                  BTW do you think that a HDD used for 'chia' mining for a year is still 'safe' to use? My understanding is that chia farming fries SSDs due to the way that the solid state memory works, but what about electromagnetic platters?

                  https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/256002383492?_trkparms=amclksrc%…

                  • netsurfer on 16/04/2023 - 23:46

                    @BargainHunterJohnnyB: I normally would not purchase second hand HDDs or SSDs. That listing doesn't show a photo of the actual HDD. Also, I would prefer to get some stats on the HDD (i.e. CrystalDiskInfo, power on count, power on hours, any bad sector etc…). It is important to see the photo of the actual HDD because there is a possibility of the HDD being refurbished or warranty replacement (unlikely, but possible).

                    It is safer for me not to recommend it. It's up to you. I did purchase a second hand SSD recently. I wanted a small SSD (256GB) to clone / backup an old laptop with SSD). The SSD I received didn't match the photo (seller sent me a different model). The NVMe SSD is old behaves more like a SATA SSD. It wasn't a good experience. Different seller though.

                • freefall101 on 17/04/2023 - 10:45

                  @netsurfer: Microsoft only added GPU decompression last last year as well, which will be one of the bigger benefits of DirectStorage. The benchmarks for Forspoken (which uses v1 of DirectStorage) where underwhelming to say the least, scenes taking 2 seconds to load on a 5,000mb/s nvme drive using DirectStorage, 4 seconds on a SATA SSD and 20+ seconds on a HDD. Definitely a good idea to move to an SSD for gaming.

                  Their target is apparently 1/10th of the time a SATA SSD takes but it requires a huge amount of work to implement it well at this stage so it's a long way off. But it is getting to the stage where I wouldn't buy a HDD for games. Give it a few years and things that take a minute to load on a HDD will take a second with DirectStorage.

                  • BargainHunterJohnnyB on 17/04/2023 - 10:50

                    @freefall101: Dude, I'd paid $300 for that gen 4 samsung gen 4, hence the HDD…. this was before the $200 2tb Gen 4 SSDs or the $100 2TB gen 3s

        • skillet on 17/04/2023 - 13:12

          All my SSDs which failed so far are: SSDs with DRAM.

          I am curious how many and what brand/models SSD have you killed.

    • BargainBuddy on 16/04/2023 - 21:55
      -2

      If you want your data to be safe. Look for a raid solution. Any disk can fail at any time.

      • incipient on 16/04/2023 - 22:02
        +3

        Haha as they say, "redundancy is not backup"

      • rumblytangara on 16/04/2023 - 22:09
        +5

        If you want your data to be safe, look at offsite backups. RAID is for uptime.

        • Chandler on 17/04/2023 - 11:16
          +1

          I like to make that same point every time I see someone mention RAID, as well as drop the ever helpful https://www.raidisnotabackup.com/

          I myself used to treat RAID as a backup - but it's not. It's there so that if your disk fails your PC/NAS/Server can keep chugging along as if nothing has happened while you sort out a repair/replacement. The only protection RAID provides is against disk failure. Data corruption and loss can and will still occur, and depending on the avenue of that corruption/loss, it will occur on both/all copies of that data.

      • netsurfer on 16/04/2023 - 22:21
        +5

        Unless you have success doing a recovery from a RAID 5, I don't think it is a good idea to tell people to go RAID. A friend of mine, who I considered knows more than me in storage technologies, used RAID 5 a few years ago. His NAS let him down and failed to reconstruct data properly after he replaced one of the failed HDDs. He lost all data on the NAS / RAID.

        People can use RAID, but for important files, have another backup that's non-RAID.

        • lachhelix on 17/04/2023 - 08:30

          It also can take aaaaaaaaaaaaaaages.
          I remember having a raid 5 with a few 4tb hdds and when I had to replace one the rebuild took a good 10 days

          • Chandler on 17/04/2023 - 11:19

            @lachhelix: Depending on the RAID system use, rebuilding the array also flogs the drives, and if you bought all the drives at the same time from the same vendor, they're all likely to die around the same time (since they've been subjected to the same loads in the same environment), and thus in rebuilding the array you've got a good chance of having another disk fail.

            • lachhelix on 17/04/2023 - 11:20

              @Chandler: Yeah, I gave up on RAID after that - didn't really fit my use case anyway, was just easier to buy a single matching sized backup disk

        • Boioioioi on 17/04/2023 - 09:32

          Raid 1 is a lot easier to recover from. Whats what I use. Everything is mirrored, if one drive dies you can still get the data off the surviving one easy as pie

        • Chandler on 17/04/2023 - 11:30

          This is one reason why I don't think I'll ever use more than RAID 1 - a RAID 5 disk is useless outside the context of the array: you need the array to read any data. RAID 1 disks you can read entirely in isolation (since they're just a mirror of another disk).

          #JBODmasterrace ?

          • Boioioioi on 17/04/2023 - 13:10

            @Chandler: I agree, Raid is definitely not a backup. Was merely saying Raid 1 is probably a lot more friendly to have redundancy compared to Raid 5 for the average person.

            • Chandler on 18/04/2023 - 08:00
              +1

              @Boioioioi: I share your view: RAID 5 probably has a/it's place amongst enterprise, where they have admins with the knowledge/skill to use it properly and hedge against it's downsides (although they're probably using other forms like RAID Z5, Cepf, IPFS or something crazy (FileCoin?)), but it's not really suitable (or needed) for consumer-land, not even pro-sumer-land IMO. Home-labbers maybe, but the high end of those are typically hobbies for enterprise admins, people practicing to enter the enterprise admin space, or people with too much time and/or money :P

  • Dream-cast on 16/04/2023 - 21:46
    +2

    TBW looks OK for the price?

    • Commodore64 on 16/04/2023 - 21:47

      It’s fairly low.. but if you just use it for steam you’re unlikely to hit any issues unless you swap games every day.

    • jmart38 on 16/04/2023 - 21:50
      +6

      People greatly overestimate how many writes they will do in the life of an SSD, I have a drive I've been using daily since 2015 and it's done 30tbw

    • OldSchoolHarry on 16/04/2023 - 22:12
      +4

      Ignore the rambling about tbw. It’s plenty for an average user.
      At 320TBW, if it writes 32 GB every day, it will theoretically last 27 years!

    • netsurfer on 16/04/2023 - 22:34
      +1

      The low TBW is due to:

      • This SSD has 3 year warranty only so Kingston is not going to quote a TBW that's in the norm of a SSD with 5 year warranty.
      • Kingston can and have used QLC on some models of NV2. Thus, the TBW rating has to factor QLC variant.

      SSD makers do underquote TBW. It is mostly for warranty protection. I don't believe in TBW. It's pure rubbish. I have a SSD with 720 TBW failed with just 1.1 TBW. It's an SSD with DRAM, hardly used (which is not a good idea for SSD), and a decent controller. Still failed. By the way, that SSD is a Kingston.

      • BinChicken69 on 16/04/2023 - 23:21
        +1

        Mmm yes, its the heat that ive found kills ssd's the hardest over any other factor. Anything over 50c in my experence drop the endurence and sector errors. I found 2 wd green 480gb with 80gb written to them had less than 90% health as they got to 75c in a laptop. The wd blue seem to take it a bit more at 96% health but clearly the heat is a bigger factor. TBW is really a confidence. Im not sure if heat voids warranty but their shluld be some tests done to see how each ssd model tolirates heat for sector writing

        • netsurfer on 17/04/2023 - 00:00

          That's a bit unusual. If only 80GB is written to a 480GB SSD, then it shouldn't have re-allocated cells / sectors, unless that SSD has a lot of bad cells. Heat normally causes the SSD to throttle in speed. The SSD controller needs to be kept cool, the NAND chips actually work better with a bit of heat.

          SSD health check apps don't judge SSD health based on operating temperature.

          • BinChicken69 on 17/04/2023 - 16:52

            @netsurfer: Sorry i didnt mention, the heat was inherited from being nearby a hot cpu, ive also fojnd that yes it will thernal throttle the speed but thr nand chips dont get warm by themselves

  • nige0090 on 16/04/2023 - 21:55
    -1

    The 2TB is $179 shipped from their ebay store vs $144 metro shipped from their site :-(
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/325576548496

    • Koffee on 16/04/2023 - 21:58
      +1

      eBay premium…gotta pay the eBay fees

    • Look Up on 16/04/2023 - 22:03

      Check tomorrow, eBay listing last updated 13 Apr, 2023 15:13:43 AEST

  • beastontheroad on 16/04/2023 - 22:00

    Nice, $56 after using my Afterpay Pulse rewards

  • OzTech74L on 16/04/2023 - 22:01

    Not ok as an OS drive I supposed such as for Proxmox?

    • reubenb87 on 16/04/2023 - 22:04
      +1

      I think there's issues running ZFS on these consumer level SSDs

      • raginggiant on 17/04/2023 - 10:14

        I'm yet to see them. I've got about a dozen mostly cheap Kingston SSDs in ZFS.

    • Look Up on 16/04/2023 - 22:09

      If 118GB is sufficient for the OS drive, Optane is a good choice

      Next step up is the 960GB U.2 model with 17500 TBW endurance and currently ~$700

  • Vorsprungdurchtech on 16/04/2023 - 22:30
    +1

    man this is so cheap.

    • BargainHunterJohnnyB on 16/04/2023 - 22:42
      +1

      I bought and even cheaper one the other week for $119 and it's not that bad at all in terms of speed and usability.

  • Aildaris on 16/04/2023 - 22:34
    +1

    I thought it had to be over like 6000MB/s read to be PS5 compatible?

    • FeZZa21 on 16/04/2023 - 22:50
      +2

      It's a recommendation not a requirement

    • netsurfer on 16/04/2023 - 22:53

      5500MB/s sequential read is the recommendation. However, PS5 doesn't block PCIe gen 4 x4 SSDs below that speed.

      You won't be able to notice much difference playing games so far, but if your internal PS5 SSD is close to full, you could notice NV2's true NAND speed isn't impressive at all (when you transfer games from internal SSD to a NV2). The reason it is not an issue for PS5 so far is due to game developers don't want to rely heavily on SSDs for gaming. They all prefer to use RAM over SSD. Some people claim GT7 is a game where slower NVMe SSDs can run into issue.

  • umoddbro on 16/04/2023 - 23:28

    Ok so this is fine for gaming? what about for games like fs2020 would it be slow?

    • [Deactivated] on 17/04/2023 - 02:50
      +1

      It's perfectly fine. You wouldn't know the difference between this and a high end one. Even a SATA ssd would be good enough for gaming.

  • 4ustralian on 16/04/2023 - 23:49

    Kingston KC3000 is now $229.61

  • sween64 on 17/04/2023 - 00:16
    +1

    2 piece heat sink for $9.99 delivered with Amazon Prime. I’ve got one spare if anyone wants it near SE Melbourne.

    • lachhelix on 17/04/2023 - 08:31

      Ooh, what suburb - I'd be keen to grab one off you :)

    • umoddbro on 17/04/2023 - 12:32

      Curious, nvme noob here only used SATA before how necessary is a heat sink?

      • sween64 on 17/04/2023 - 14:02
        +1

        They get hot. I believe it’s recommended when installing in a PS5 due to minimal air flow.

  • tim9800 on 17/04/2023 - 00:41

    This deal or Team Mp33 2tb for $119? Purpose is only to store games

  • Jmore1231 on 17/04/2023 - 01:08

    Great drives tbh no issues with mine been using for alittle while now

  • [Deactivated] on 17/04/2023 - 02:56

    Same price with cheaper shipping @Centrecom ebay store
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134520453982?

    • MiscOzB on 17/04/2023 - 06:33
      +3

      This is slightly cheaper (by like $1) if stacked with the eBay 25% cashback https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/265981213633 (free returns too with eBay Plus).

      Actually makes it far cheaper than the deal in this post factoring in shipping and you can use discounted gift cards.

      • umoddbro on 17/04/2023 - 12:22

        Thanks, I went with this one… had a $10 voucher from the ebay mailing list deal + free delivery. $68 delivered :)

  • MKBHD on 17/04/2023 - 05:09

    Would this be good enough as a second drive and handle editing 4k videos on Vegas pro / premier?

    • Look Up on 17/04/2023 - 09:28

      Yes, would work fine as a scratch disk

  • Sinnerator on 17/04/2023 - 07:59

    We have a chip shortage so cars have to be double the price. BS ! All you suckers paying insane prices for cars <insert giggle>
    But we can sell 1tb ssds for $66
    Good find OP

  • teacherer on 17/04/2023 - 09:32

    I love your posts

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