Have zero experience with any of these, not sure whether what brand or combo I need to get to do some general assembly or drilling I need around the house. I know for a fact that I need a drill, but not sure about whether I need an impact drill or a spare battery
Electric Tools for First Home Buyer
pcuser on 02/04/2023 - 09:07
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Perhaps around 300 ish
Oh I saw that deal before, however the store Blackwood seems to be a bad store to get your stuff quickly. I might need my tools a bit quicker as I'm getting the key next month
@pcuser: Go ozito kit as per muzeeb the dell rep recommendation below then
I have the older version and it’s been more than ample for everything I’ve thrown at it
this is a pro quality set of gear and at a steal.
I have both, love them, bullet proof
@MrThing: While Milwaukee is spouted the best DeWalt is up there. But for this use case I'd recommend Ryobi. It's a buy once, cry once situation.
Ozito is okay but definitely a lower quality from my experience. I've gone through too-many tools from the likes of Aldi, Kmart, Reject Shop etc etc. There's nothing more annoying then having your subpar tools fail on you, in the limited free-time you get on the weekends to do the odd-job, and having to spend even more time driving to buy a replacement.
Go Ryobi for the high-quality at the good-value. DeWalt deal is great. Ozito is something to put in the backburner if the other two fail. Milwaukee is overkill, and the generic retail stuff aren't worth it.
@Kangal: Dewalt vary - they have their DIY range like Ryobi then the more tradesman quality like the hammer drill in this deal, its a weapon.
Im very much a cry once person anyway
@Kangal: 'There's nothing more annoying then having your … tools [battery charge] fail on you, in the limited free-time you get on the weekends to do the odd-job, and having to spend even more time driving to buy a replacement.'
The problem with this deal is when he wants to buy more cordless tools and has to keep buying at DeWalt prices. As a home handyman, he's better off buying Ryobi or Ozito from Bunnings.
@iminabrons: It doesn't have to all be the same brand.
Go good quality for power drills, and then Ozito for basically everything else.
@trapper: You're absolutely correct. It doesn't have to be the same brand. In fact, I have 10 drills comprising, 2 x AEG, 2 x Bosch, 1 x Ryobi, 3 x Ozito, 1 x corded no-name, and 1 x Xiaomi pen drill.
The AEG, Bosch, no-name corded and Ryobi are for the garage/workshop and the 3 Ozitos and pen drill are for the light-duty stuff at home.I was advising 'pcuser' using my experience about what I would buy if I was in his shoes because having many different brands with different batteries is not cost-effective and is just plain inconvenient.
@iminabrons: If you're patient there are good deals on most Dewalt products which bring them close to or better than Ryobi price. I've probably got 20 Dewalt skins and not one was bought at "normal" price unless it had redemptions and or free batteries or similar.
Because of kits and redemptions lots of new skins on market place etc at around half retail.@mauricem: From what I have picked up over time what you get in the quality of a drill is directly related to its price. A cheap DeWalt on special whose model is only available in one retail outlet is in my opinion not going to be any better in quality than a similar Ryobi on special.
@iminabrons: That's generally true but there are exceptions. Last week for instance you could get Dewalts brushless circ saw kit with charger and 4ah battery for under $250 if you included the $50 Sydney tools store credit. Ryobi brushless skin was $200 so in this case the dewalt was a much better deal even before considering it's a higher quality tool.
As I said you need to be patient but if you put a search alert in for dewalt or makita/bosch whatever there will be similar deals.
After all this is Ozbargain!@mauricem: If I had to wait for a specific tool from a brand like DeWalt to become available at a price I would feel comfortable paying then I'd get very little work done.
Hmmm, not a bad idea now that I think about it.😏@iminabrons: In my case it was how I upgraded from tools I already had or had on my wish list.
If its a repair then you need what you need now I guess but most projects have a lead time eg if you're going to build a deck during your xmas holidays then you'll be on the look out for a mitre saw, screw gun whatever several months in advance.Again looking at it through OZB goggles
@mauricem: Oh, building a new deck at Chrissie time. Why didn't you say so?
If that's the case, I'd buy 3 of everything I needed from the Ozito line. As each one breaks down I'd go on to using the next one. After the job is done I'd then go back to Bunnings for a refund for all the broken Ozitos and it ends up costing me peanuts. That my friend is how a real OZBie solves problems.
The Dewalt drill is awesome, best drill I've owned.
But, I don't think the op would need an Impact drill for day to day household use. Aren't they more for construction use?
@AdrianW: yeah I love how a non-experienced amateur user gets given recommendations to buy pro equipment that they are likely to use - hardly ever … ;-)
Asking the important questions first
If I was starting out new I would get an ozito pxc drill driver kit to get yourself started.
Get some half decent drill and drive bits and see what you need after that.
I see… So get a okay drill with some drill bits…
Yeah I forgot about drill bits haha, thanks for reminding meAlso get one each of the masonry drill bits for the red and green masonry plugs as these are the most common plugs used.
Kmart or Bunnings is your go to place,
Can also look at Repco Clearance deals (I have gotten quite a lot of stuff from them, @ really good prices) but now seems like they dont put that much clearance deals anymore
Ozito or Ryobi battery tools would be pretty hard to go past for home use.
Especially if you think you're likely to expand your tool range over time.Thanks for the advice, at first I wasnt sure if these two brands are sufficient, but seeing all these comments. Yeah I would go with them then
If you go Ryobi just remember to register them on the Ryobi portal. Most tools have 6 year warranty if you register them (not batteries).
This, first thing I bought when the auction was over was a Ryobi One drill, have since added nail gun and multitooland bought skin only since the drill came with two batteries. As I worked out the projects I was in for, grabbed extras (though also went Ozito plug in for rip saw, mitre saw, hammer drill, so the stuff I wasn't using all the time). Now I have had them a while I kind of wish I'd just gotten one of the $700 Ryobi One sets and been done, would have had everything in one go and cheaper.
Do you have any friends that have any power tool collections? I ask this as a lot of mine have Ryobi, so when I started buying them, I stuck to Ryobi so I could borrow tools from friends that I don’t have, and vice versa, but we don’t need to borrow each others batteries.
If you’re just going to be putting things together at this point, a drill driver should be enough. But it’s worth knowing what type of walls you have and if you ever plan to hang things on them. If you have masonry, you’ll want to get a hammer drill or combination hammer/drill driver instead.
I wouldn’t bother with an impact driver unless it actually comes out cheaper in a kit, which often it does.
Two batteries for one tool probably isn’t necessary (again, unless it comes out cheaper in a lot, which often it does). You’ll probably find you’ll finish your task on one charge, so you can recharge after each use, or when taking a lunch break if you have a bunch to do. But if you are planning to expand your collection to other tools, it can be useful to not have to swap them out.
Thanks so much detailed answer, yeah I agree with what you said on buying brands that has a big eco system. I do have brick walls but at the moment I am not planning to drill crazy amount of holes, but just having the option to. I won't worry about the impact drill at the moment then.
Good set masonry bit goes a long way too. Don’t be a tight arse.
If you are doing any moderately heavy work at all - eg with treated pine sleepers in the garden - you will find the impact driver absolutely essential. I use mine almost as often as my drill. And make sure you get a hammer drill for those bricks.
Appreciate that addition. I’m relatively new to DIY, and all of it has been indoor, so haven’t really found a use for the impact beyond what appeared to be for trades/constant use.
I recently did a DYI job putting a few hundred 14G 10x125mm deck screws into 2x70mm pine. The Ozito impact driver struggled quite a bit (overheating, smoking and churning through batteries).
I swapped for my big corded Makita impact wrench which breezed through it.
About 5 years ago I bought a small Dewalt kit from Sydney Tools. It came with an impact drill which I only used once. The drill with driver bits and drill bits is what I use the most. I went with Dewalt as they have some garden tools and camping stuff which I can use with the same batteries.
Think about what tools and gadgets you might need in the future, once you have chargers and batteries, it's hard to switch to another brand. With all the skins Ryobi has available now, I would go with Ryobi. Or, Makita if you need an 18V coffee machine ;-)
What are you wanting to do? Thats the first port of call.
Don't be lazy and say 'a bit of everything' because the answer you'll get is that you'll need a bit of everythingHere's some jobs I'd expect to see a new homeowner pursuing
-Assembling IKEA furniture. Can be done by hand, but faster to do it with an electric screwdriver or driver.
-Putting up shelves. Needs a drill for plaster wall, a drill/driver if you have brick walls and there's only a few shelves, or a sds rotary drill if you have 5+ to put up
-Changing locks. If your lucky the new lock fits into the old hole, but sometimes it doesn't and you need to drill it out
-Putting together garden beds made from sleepers. These are tough wood that needs to be drilled, and driven in with a driver.-Assembling IKEA furniture. Can be done by hand, but faster to do it with an electric screwdriver or driver.
I agree here too. A drill driver can be overkill.
It also comes down to learning what the settings on a drill or device mean eg. torque settings - https://ozito.com.au/community/torque-mean-impact-tools/
SDS is ott for brick. Bricks are fairly soft and need patience. Cannot go wrong with a name brand 18v drill with hammer.
Not solid fired clay bricks, like those found in pre1960s houses. You'll be drilling 5 minutes a hole
'Assembling IKEA furniture. Can be done by hand, but faster to do it with an electric screwdriver or driver'
yeah those IKEA assembly kits that come with a hex key - it's tortuous how many seconds it takes to do up one of those hex screws - OMG such assembly jobs totally waste a couple of minutes of my life when instead I could go and search for my flat-battery power tool kit, then search for a matching hex key driver that oh I don't have so that's a trip to Bunnings to try to match and buy the bit I don't have
total time saver those power tools - I have several drills - lemme see - the last time I used one was at least 6 months ago - but then again most of our shelving was drilled and power-screwed by me - years ago - my most-used drill kit is from IKEA - $69 - https://www.ikea.com/au/en/p/fixa-screwdriver-drill-li-ion-6…
The Ozito PXC stuff at bunnings is pretty much made for your exact use case, interchangeable batteries, it's cheap and has good support/warranty from bunnings.
No use spending a fortune on Makita/AEG stuff if you're only using it every so often at home
Save some dosh with these WORX tools:
Brushless drill driver with 2 batteries $65
Brushless impact driver skin $50
And something super-useful seeing as you're so far under budget: LED worklight skin $25Oops, sorry - stock no longer readily available
Ozito for beginners, solely for the unofficial Bunnings replacement guarantee.
what?
Ozito for beginners, solely for the unofficial Bunnings replacement guarantee.
Most power tools are used about 3 times and then left in a draw/shelf forever, you're better just borrowing from a friend or family member or buying a cheap corded thing since the lithium cells will degrade over time and possibly leak too.
Complete rubbish. Lithium cells never leak - I've never heard of such a thing - and my batteries are about a decade old and still going strong (not expensive to replace anyway when they do eventually fade).
The reason most CORDED power tools are left in a drawer or shelf forever (mine are) is because the owner acquires cordless tools. They are SO much easier, more convenient and safer too. Any home owner will quickly find they use a cordless driver/drill, in particular, very frequently.
It is best to store them at a low state of charge (30-50%) to ensure they last.
They won't leak if you charge and store at 100%, but being full of energy causes the layer between the reactive sides of the cells to break down. The longer you leave it, and the warmer the temperature they are stored at, the faster they will fail.
For the same reason, avoid charging a battery when its hot to the touch.
Most people do store them charged, and only get a year or three out of them. A tip is to have two or more batteries, and a fast charger. Maximise their life-spans by charging before use, and leaving half-charged afterwards.
Note: Less reliable kinds of cells shouldn't be stored charged as they can explode (not leak)
Secondary Lithium Ion battery is most unstable when fully charged. It also ages quickly everytime it goes through a full cycle. Your better off topping up before use. Then store it long term at half charged. Having said that, Ozito batteries are currently cheap so there is no point babying them. Use them according to your workflow.
Leaking power drill packs is not common but it happens when the cells get rusty and punctured unlike alkaline cells.
You can also bring them back to life as shown here:
Having said that, I usually reach for my cordless tools for any quick job but prefer my corded tools for anything heavier/lengthy.
The general rule is you need to spend 0.25% of the value of your first home on power tools.
I hope you index-link that 0.25% to inflation!
Most important question is when do you needed it? If you're flexible for a few months, then keep an eye out for deals on OZB. E.g. this one three years ago: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/534500
Alternatively, decide which ecosystem you want to invest in, and go with that.
Move closer to Aldi
plan B Ozito…..
With home use,
After using Ozito for just under 5 years, have also used Ryobi, Ryobi HP, and now AEG for the last 4 months or so, go Ryobi HP.
Good power, heaps of tools, and still a replacement warranty, rather than send away for repair.
The difference between 40nm (Ozito kits) and 50'ish nm is worth it, ie Ozito Brushless and Ryobi @ 54, but to go to Ryobi HP for more power, or AEG is well worth it, ie my 90nm drill/driver.
I do like my AEG stuff.
Brushless for the win.
For comparison human hand can twist around 8-20nm
Have zero experience with any of these, not sure whether what brand or combo I need to get to do some general assembly or drilling I need around the house. I know for a fact that I need a drill, but not sure about whether I need an impact drill or a spare battery
My suggestion would be to go with a reliable trade brand and see if you can pick one up on sale.
Buying a set of Makita tools has been one of the best decisions I've made with regards to tools. They've been super reliable, they have a good ecosystem and are built to take some rough treatment.
I would recommend just going with a drill driver - you won't need an impact driver unless you're building a deck or something where you're driving a lot of screws into wood. Definitely don't need a spare battery for just home use, but you might want to if you expand your kit later on.
FWIW, I would suggest that you focus on reliability as opposed to power. I would personally suggest a reliable brand, e.g. Makita, DeWalt, Milwaukee…etc., over something like an Ozito even if the Ozito is notionally more powerful.
Ozito tools aren't actually that bad, they work fine and are probably 80% as good as name brands… And also far easier to swap/warranty halfway through a job than any other brand if they did fail
Haven't had anything ryobi or ozito break yet, and you can buy 2-3 of them for the price of 1 makita tool
I’ve had a few Ryobi things break but none of them are ‘core’ tools eg drills, mower, whipper.
It’s always the other random tools that broke for me like the Seed/Fert spreader. I’ve gone through 2 already but that replacement warranty make life so easy.Ozito tools aren't actually that bad, they work fine and are probably 80% as good as name brands…
They're not bad, but they also aren't that much cheaper than the name brand tools.
For example, if you want a brushless hammer drill, you can get an Ozito for $149 (https://www.bunnings.com.au/ozito-pxc-18v-13mm-brushless-ham…), or any of the name brand ones for $249, e.g. Makita (https://www.bunnings.com.au/makita-18v-brushless-hammer-driv…), Bosch Blue (https://www.bunnings.com.au/bosch-professional-18v-5-0ah-ham…), DeWalt (https://www.bunnings.com.au/dewalt-18v-5ah-xr-li-ion-brushle…)…etc.
For something that easily lasts you 10+ years, $100 more isn't unreasonable. I've got Makita tools that my dad handed down to me. All of the Ryobi and other "DIY" brands, they all kicked the can in some way or another in that time.
Also worth keeping in mind the point I made around going for something more reliable, but with less power. For example, you can get a 12V Makita combo set (drill + impact driver) for $199 (https://www.bunnings.com.au/makita-12v-2-piece-max-cordless-…), whilst the Ozito is also $199, but is 18V (https://www.bunnings.com.au/ozito-pxc-18v-cordless-drill-imp…). I would rather go with the lower powered Makita tools at the same price.
Get an impact driver, drill combo kit. Watch for deals at Sydney tools, Bunnings will price match and take 10% off. If your at the beginning of diy journey and in for the long haul, I’d go with Dewalt, but I know OZB have a soft spot with Ozito. In fact my heat gun and corded delta sander are Ozito 10yrs and still going strong. That said, the new red Ozito, feels cheap. You just can’t compare to Makita, Dewalt, etc.
There are also battery adapters interchangeable between some brands. Not seen one for Ozito but definitely for Dewalt to Makita.
If you are after an Ozito adapter look under "Einhell". Ozito are just Bunning's rebranding of Einhell. It is a German company, but of course as with all the other brands you can get in Bunnings they're made in China.
ozito stuff is great, cheap and reliable. had no problems doing DIY projects & gardening with Ozito PWX stuff. go brushless if you can
If you've never built anything yourself or maintained a home before, Ozito will be good enough.
If you think you might want to swap/borrow tools from others and want a good third party battery ecosystem not to mention lots of tools to choose from, go with Ryobi. Note that Bunnings have an exclusivity agreement with the distributor.
If you want better quality, go with the current DeWalt offer that's available - it's an awesome price and DeWalt stuff is really solid. It sounds to me though, that you're new to all of this so you don't really need pro-level stuff.
I've owned all of the above and can vouch for them, having been a pretty handy DIY'er for 20-odd years with a maintenance-heavy house. I have a DeWalt drill and impact driver - excellent tools, really tough and solid but the batteries are expensive. I recently swapped across to Ryobi but only because my DeWalts were 14.4V and they are no longer made, so I basically had to start again - and Ryobi happened to have a sale on (drill, impact driver and angle grinder for about $177… so I jumped). Also have a few Ozito bits and pieces - multi tool and a few others. Cheap, but generally good enough.
Get a drill/hammer drill (you said your house was brick, and a hammer drill is good for masonry) and an impact driver. You might not use the impact driver as often but as someone who just overhauled my deck, I have used mine a LOT and it's always easier to drive in screws with an impact driver - less risk of damaging the fastener.
DeWalts were 14.4V and they are no longer made
That's… horrible! I hope Makita don't do this with their 18V!
I think a lot of diy enthusiasts myself inc. forget about this - right tool = practical use! Maybe if someone here, a tradie/diy with tonnes of experience could explain the diff between a drill or impact driver, how they work and a few uses?
hammer drill is good for masonry
This is really helpful, if your drilling into concrete or brick some battery powered drills are crap. Different(type, brand, quality) drill bits help too and whether you may need to use a coolant/water during the process.
An impact driver is a bit like a rotary hammer drill - except that instead of the hammer going in-and-out (very fast) the internal hammer goes round-and-round. It drives heavier gauge screws like butter - not only much quicker and less likely to cam out on the screw head but far easier on the hands and wrist as there's no reverse torque for you to have to hold the tool against. If you are driving self drilling screws it is like night and day.
diff between a drill or impact driver, how they work and a few uses?
- Drill drivers simply use rotational force (torque) to turn either a drill bit or a screw bit
- Impact drivers use rotational force plus a hitting force parallel to the direction of the turn - it lets you drive large screws into wood
- Hammer drills use rotational force plus a hitting force perpendicular to the direction of the turn (i.e. it hits into whatever you are drilling) - it lets you drill into bricks
Depends what you plan on doing. If it's Puting furniture together or hanging pictures then get ozito. Will do those jobs as good as any other and great warranty. Hammer drill driver is what you want. Don't need an impact driver in a dual kit unless doing more heavy duty driving. Ozito does good deals with larger batteries and quick chargers to.
For my Drill and Driver I have Ryobi and would recommend it, I've also picked up a whole raft of other bits and piece over the years including a blower, a vac, a misting fan, hedge trimmer, tyre inflator, rattle gun… and probably a few others. I've ended up with three drills because it was cheaper to buy a kit than an individual tool or battery.
The Ryboi ecosystem is excellent and I've found the tools and even the batteries very reliable over the last 12 years or so. It will provide family years worth of gifts to expand your range :P
You can start with just a drill which will do most things and add as you need/want.
For tools I might only use once or twice I tend to go Ozito, like my drop saw, circular saw or router. You do notice some lower quality in some things, like my drop saw has lost its stick on scale, not so much of a problem as it's set to 90 degrees and rarely moved, but a pain when I want to.
One thing I have found is that cheap tools with quality consumables often work better. So get the good cutting blades and drill bits to use with the cheap tool and things seem to be much better.
My experience too. You can skimp on the tool itself, but anything with a cutting edge such as a drill bit or a saw blade it is worth paying extra for quality.
20v Worx drill for $32 bucks at SCA, that's what I got. I'm such a heavy user that I haven't even opened it yet.
Sounds like you just need a cheap one just go to bunnings and get one from there.
+1 for Ozito. Not trade quality but good enough for occasional usage around the house. Also lots of different skins available.
For replacement batteries ebay is your friend :) .
Also there are converters around between different types of devices, like Makita 18 Volt battery to 18 Volt Ozito skin etc .
But as others have said.. there are better quality tools around than Ozito, but their price reflects that
You don't need to buy tools in advance. Buy them as you need them for any projects you're planning to do.
If you want a drill around the house, personally I think the Ryobi range is good because they a wide variety of toolst that work with the batteries and it's easy to keep upgrading and expanding.
I invested in AEG. I use them infrequently. And it's really expensive to expand to tools outside a drill and driver.
I'm now going into Ryobi also. Just so the tools are cheaper. The aeg quality are great but I'm just not getting the use out of them should have gotten a cheaper brand to begin with so I could buy more tools for cheap.
This is for someone who uses them maybe every month.
I went with Makita and am happy. I also know people who went with Ryboi and are happy.
Don't buy any tools before you need them, buy as you go.
Also something I learned along the way: don't cheap out on the drill bits!ozito pxc 5 pce kit
+1 for the PXC gear. Have got 5 or 6 year old batteries still kicking without issues and a bunch of their tools.
Only thing that kind of failed has been the impact driver, but it's just the switch is funky now and needs a smack every now and then. Replaced it with a brushless one but it still gets used from time to time. Not bad given the age / cost though, no complaints here.
compared to the US made stuff that costs 3-6x more. These are a no brainer expecially if youre not a tradie and use these couple times a year. Ozito is incredible value and does the job fine!
This will probably get lost but it's more important to get decent drill bits, saw blades etc than comparing between most tool brands. Good drill bits make your life easier. A shit blade on a Festool saw will produce junk results but a good blade on an Ozito will be very usable.
cordless drill is a must. if you never want to switch out the brushes go brushless. Don't feel chained to one brand's batteries though, plenty of adapters out there.
Depends on your price range but you can't go wrong with makita
Brushless is more efficient too so the batteries last longer and they typically have more grunt than the brushed version (eg I bought an Ozito 18v brushless SDS rotary drill recently - it has 3 joules of energy per hit compared with 1.7J for the brushed version).
Makita's great if you are a tradie or a serious hobbyist, but you are paying quite a lot more than you need to if its just for occasional household maintenance.
I’d go ryobi 18v range for general diy. Not the best but not the worst.
If you’re just after something cheap, then, maybe try this: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/766506
Edit: whoops, someone already beat me to the worx kit for $32
Being an Immigrant who didn't grow up with using tool for general household work i find it challenging. Just bought a first home and i find it daunting to DIY in fear of mess-up and ending up with a bigger bill $$ . As cost of living have gone up for everyone i cant blame tradies for charging too much for little things. So i am looking for DIY handyman workshops, any leads in melbourne ?
YouTube. Talk to your neighbours and local handymen.
Better yet, change your perspective on messing up. It’s a learning exercise, you are allowed to do things wrong and yes you might have to pay someone to fix it later, but that’s how you gain experience. Learn by doing is the best way by far. It’s very simple really, much easier than migrating to a different country, as long as you can let your fears and perfectionism go.
dont bunnings run workshops occasionally?
I started with a Ryobi 18v drill and impact driver kit, with a 50pc drill bit set. Has been doing the job just fine. This is coming from someone who had little to no DIY experience previously.
Don’t buy from the shop. Gumtree and fb are your best friends. Think first car, start with something with basic functions and learn to use their first before putting any serious $$ into it. Get free furniture too to practice the tools with and take the dead bodies to the local tip. That’s something you’ll want to be familiar with too.
Once you are somewhat confident, upgrade at cash converters.
If you use them once in a while, the warranty is not going to be very meaningful hence second hand, and trading with your local community allows you to meet people who can also teach you a thing or two on the tools.
After many years persevering with cheaper tools my DeWalt gear is a joy to work with. Save yourself the headache and at least get a quality drill.
Go for one of the reputable brands. there are many Dewalt, Milwuakee, Makita, Bosch etc. Every few months one of these will go on sale. just buy when they are sale.
For a start, what’s your budget mate