GV-N4090WF3-24GD
Graphics Processing: GeForce RTX® 4090
Core Clock: 2520 MHz
CUDA® Cores: 16384
Memory Clock: 21 Gbps
Memory Size: 24 GB
Memory Type: GDDR6X
Memory Bus: 384 bit
Card Bus: PCI-E 4.0
Digital max resolution: 7680x4320
Multi-view: 4
Card size: L=331 W=150 H=70 mm
PCB Form: ATX
DirectX: 12 Ultimate
OpenGL: 4.6
Recommended PSU: 850W
Power Connectors: 1x 16 pin
Output: 3x DisplayPort 1.4, 1x HDMI 2.1
Accessories: Quick guide, VGA holder, One 16-pin to four 8-pin power adaptor
The lesson Nvidia learnt after its earnings report is that… people will pay crazy money for GPU compute and it has 0 incentive to lower prices.
Indeed, I don't have an opinion about this, but everything will find its balance soon. Can't constantly keep going up.
/viagra enters the chat
it’s called global recession and all big corps will learn a lesson
Meh, if gamers don't want to pay this much, then Nvidia will just put all their AD102 dies in RTX 6000 Ada GPUs, because thanks to ChatGPT there's an explosion of interest in ML and AI. So… its all just supply and demand. This is the best chip Nvidia currently produces, and they can sell it to gamers for ~$3k, or to companies for professional ML workflows for ~$6k…
What would you do if you were Nvidia?
Laugh now, cry later.
Problem is not with the ordinary people paying extraordinary prices, it is about opportunity cost for NVidia.
Let say they can source finite X amount of silicon wafer (e.g. 1 square kilometer). They have the choice to produce N different products from it (RTX 4090, 4070Ti, A6000, A100 etc…) Given the price difference between cards used in enterprise (data centers, machine learning clusters) they have minimal incentive to deploy silicon to mass production of RTX 4xxx cards beyond keeping ATI at bay. It is far more lucrative to use that silicon to produce higher margin ML/enterprise products which is also the reason for their earnings as they are.
Is it technically better for the environment / less wasteful to use the silicon on more powerful GPUs or does it use less silicon because its a less complex GPU?
Silicon is one of the most abundant resources on earth. They don't need more silicon they just need more infustructre process it. But why spend millions on facilities and machinery when demand is high enough that you can just inflate the price which makes up the difference with half the effort. The demand, is only going to go up as long as the world progresses. But then again, who really needs a 4090 to play games? that's like complaining about Ferrari being too expensive. My 6700xt hasn't had an issue with any game I have and you can get one for around 500$.
ridiculous!
What's really ridiculous is that I relented and bought one 2 days ago for $600 above the $2950 MSRP… and the cherry on the cake; I even splurged on Express Shipping even though the tracking number show:
Estimated delivery by Tuesday 28 February*
Most recent update
In transit to next facility
MINCHINBURY NSW, 2770
Date & timeWed 22 Feb • 9:48pm
It was sent via StarTrack, but how the f is that Express!!??
And what's really good news for y'all is that now prices will probably 1/2 before my card even arrives.
thats tragic, not ridiculous - in many ways
Needa HODL next time
@solacens: I tried, but I was HODL'ing since November… and there's nothing like having a 1/2 built PC sitting on the floor depreciating every day.
I missed an MSI Suprim Liquid on Newegg for $2900 last month… I was on the checkout screen, did some research then it was gone.
I should also mention I need it to be watercooled (4 models to choose from without going custom wb), as venting heat into the case was not a good option for my build.
@raybies: You need to hodl better. I held a GTX 560 from 2012 to 2020. I planned to buy a $340 GTX 1060 at the time but thought it was $50 overpriced, so I simply didn't buy one in 2017. Which I'm noticing nobody is willing to do.
In the end I spent $350 on the 6600xt. In 2017 the similar performing 1080ti was $1600. I also could've bought the XFX for $390, or the 6800xt for $799, 6900xt for $899 etc (but I still felt these were a rip off) Deals come up multiple times every year and it's possible to hodl for years. People are too impatient.
Unfortunately there are and there will be some traitors.
wen 1500?
I was going to say "when $1800" but I don't mind $1500 too :)
I don't think it will ever be $1500 before RXT 6000 series out
I would have pulled the trigger if this was even 2000. This thing will definitely last 4 to 5 years easily.
That's my plan too. So I can do PayPal pay in 4 at $2000 :)
I think it will come down when 4090 Ti gets released.
@wrx5: Maybe to 2600. I dont have hopes it will go down more. Not when AMD has nothing to compete. Nvidia already throttling this card production to sell more 4080 in another news.
i think next gen will be smaller and use less power - i would pass on this at any price atm
game on UW anyway and thats more then enough
@botchie: These are 5nm chips, which is the best available at the moment. To get the same performance on something smaller requires a FAB that doesn't exist yet.
The other option is that Nvidia make gains by improvements in the architecture, however Nvidia hasn't made any significant improvements here for several generations
If Nvidia manage to make a 4nm card in 2 years time, it could be even more expensive. Cutting edge FABs are in short supply.
@greatlamp: mate, this things is as big as my case almost, they need to come up with way to cut it down
most of its power is there for stupid RT, how I wish this was never a thing
$2500 I reckon would also be a good deal.
1500 is a stupidly low price imo
hope this is the beginning of price drop pattern
High yield investment GPU!
Does this fit a Tesla model 3 base model?
probably model Y would have the space to fit this in. or maybe a polestar.
Christ, already have a chance Tesla bursting into flames without the added risk for the 12pin connector on the 4090.
will check with Insurance policy
You can, but the mileage will drop by 50% unless you undervolt.
Neither model has large enough battery to power this card for more than a blip
Thanks OP bought one for my 8yr old and two for my backup pc
Just something to keep in mind. This is one of the cheapest 4090's available at normal retail price, it's been built down to a cost
What does that mean in practise? Not sure, cheaper components that may fail faster, at this sort of money I'd want to make sure i'm buying quality
for $3k Id want 144 hz with RT on to the moon and no crappy DLSS
Link goes to nothing, sold out? Taken off?
Link broken for me too… see more below:
inno3d @ $2782
https://www.skycomp.com.au/catalog/product/view/id/938805/s/…
Gigabyte windforce:
https://www.skycomp.com.au/catalog/product/view/id/939307/s/…
What's weird is this actually doesn't seem too expensive to me now. But after their exploding PSUs I would never buy another gigabyte product. No way.
I'm all for companies taking a reputational hit after putting out a bad product, but they are now putting out the best value B650 boards by a country mile (see latest HUB roundup), so does that offset the bad?
By all means boycott the PSUs, but imo taking it a bit far to just flat out not buy anything Gigabyte. They didn't even build those 'exploding' PSUs themselves, but they did try to deny there was a problem initially, which while it is corporate 101, is not okay. End result after the GN video was a recall, and then fixing that model going forwards, which at least shows a bare minimum of corporate responsibility
I don't disagree, but I had a gigabyte mobo at the time, it was an aorus master, the most expensive mobo I've ever had, and it totally died. Some kind of oil actually extruded from the CPU socket?
Anyway. It's not like I go to people's houses, check their components and then have a go at them, I just don't buy gigabyte anymore. I know lots of ppl have had bad experiences with the other companies, but I happen to have had bad experiences with Gigabyte, so I just don't consider their stuff. Makes my life simpler.
paid $2500 for 2080Ti few years ago - so yeah price is not that bad, @ $2500 as well would prob jump on it.
What if I told you $2500 for 2080ti was also bad
Meh - got my $ worth - still am - DCS in VR would be the main temptation for a 4080ti/4090.
@Sal in SA: Yeah I'd just keep the 2080ti for another 2 years. No point buying such an expensive card to update it so soon
Didn't know that about their PSUs (or their poor behaviour after the faults were found). Thanks for mentioning it. Looked into it and apparently as soon as Newegg found out they offloaded the PSUs onto as many unsuspecting customers as possible. So dodgy.
Based on their return info I would not buy from them, simply because it's so strict compared to other retailers who may allow returns up to 30 days. This retailer demands a 30% restocking fee even if never opened and you notify them within 7 days. This is illegal btw
Return/Refund on non-faulty products
In some circumstances, we are happy to offer our consumers with a conditional courtesy return if consumers want to exchange products purchased incorrectly provided the:
Customer notifies SKYCOMP within 7 days of receipt of delivery of the product;
Products are not opened, used and are still in pristine condition;
Customer accepts a maximum restocking fee up to 30% of the purchase price;
SKYCOMP may reject the return upon inspecting the condition of the products and will return the products to the customer at the customer’s expense.
Genuinely curious to know where the stocking fee legality is written, is it within ACCC? (not taking a shot at you, actually want to know)
I think i'm incorrect. Ebay don't allow restocking fee on change of mind returns where goods are returned in perfect condition within 30 days. It's an ebay policy and not a legal thing. I checked Umart, they have a 30 days change of mind return, and no restocking fee, BUT, if packaging has been opened they may apply a 20% restocking fee
Thanks for the clarification, I did have my encounter of restocking fee with a seller on eBay but when eBay's rep stepped in - I was refunded the whole amount overruling their store policy.
it's not law and that's why they state return/refund on non-faulty products. If you change your mind then you're going to have to pay up to 30%.
you can't return anything because of a change of mind. The only time you can return is when it is defective.
This is not really much of a bargain, unfortunately.
It's about the usual price, there are multiple 4090s for under $2800, and dozens within a couple of percentage points of that price. Sure it's 150 bucks less than the next cheapest Gigabyte 4090, but is 5% off really worth a deal post? Is Gigabyte really better for GPUs than the other ones in this price range or less? Take a look: https://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=Rtx%204090…
$2800 is still more than double what this card is actually worth (impressive as it is).
Lol more than double. This is a $2000aud card easily. It is so strong. $1400 was around 3080 price which this card is much stronger and more special
People have said every flagship card is uber powerful every year for the past 20 years. It can't even achieve high refresh in the latest Harry Potter game.
Most powerful card until it's ewaste and UE5 becomes the new Harry Potter. Everyone will upgrade to RTX 5090 for Barbieworld RTX anyway.
Agreed.
I saw this price on this Windforce yesterday, and I still wonder why OP decided to post this out when it clearly isn't a deal.
yeah yeah yeah, nah, nahhh
Wtf are we going to do when GPUs are this price for a mid tier PC.
It is just sad that Nvidia makes 4090 the only card right now that runs games at 144fps on a 4k 144hz monitor with ultra high settings + RT on + DLSS off.
980ti was a 4k ultra card almost a decade ago.
The previous decade tech hadn't stagnated. We went from 800x600>1024x768>1280x1024>1680x1050>1920x1080. If this was 2014 I would've expected 32k res by now. Instead gpu's make mediocre gains per gen and become more expensive
You're expecting moores law and that's not a thing anymore
Enhance your e-peen with a Nvidia rtx 4090.
Just an FYI to anyone else looking at buying a 4090 as me:
Nvidia originally wanted to use the die from Samsung, but make the last minute call to switch to TSMC. However, all the AIB already completed their board design and cooler manufacture, which were originally aimed to cooldown Samsung chips that generate much more heats. It was too late for all AIB to change their coolers.
So what you see on all 4090 cards is that the thermal performance is just amazingly great, because all the coolers are just overkill for the TSMC chips on 4090s.
As a result, because Nvidia and the AIB companies lock the power throughput for their chips, especially the reference cards, the performance of every card is roughly the same, at least much less difference comparing to 30 series.
In conclusion, as a customer, you can just blindly pick any crap basic 4090 card and it won't be any worse than an Aorus or Strix. Only a few % maybe. You can argue that reference AIB cards have slightly worse power stages and phases, but as an average consumer, 40series is the first generation where the jacket man missed out completely screwing you over with different AIB card tiers.
P.S. DON'T BUY at this price. Still too expensive. Over the last month, the bottom line for 4090 has dropped over 100 dollars. Because YOU are not buying. Keep on the good work. The price will drop down further. Hang in there!
Thanks!
I'm been not buying $3k GPUs for quite a while now, and hopefully can find the strength from somewhere to keep going on.
Me too. It's so hard to resist spending 3k on something that plays computer games. I wish I could've spent 3k on a PS2 20 years ago, but I missed out and only paid a few hundred back then.
pro tip on HODLing.
look at $4k price tag,
go buy yourself tickets to a holiday.
go on holiday
come back from holiday look at $4k price tag
start saving again
???
price drop
For some reason people snap up these $2700-2800 priced cards but the 3500+ cards remain on the shelves… odd.
The trend I see in life is people will always spend high amounts of money that they have borrowed from the bank.
See a $800K house, only have $100K savings. House is only worth $550K, bugger it I will take a loan cause I WANT it now
See a $3K GPU that's only worth $2K, Credit Card I WANT it now
The world is the way it is because people WANT INSTANT GRATIFICATION and they WANT IT NOW
The Fallout is Inflation, Stagnation, Recession and Goods and Services not worth their asking price
Housing is not a very good thing to use as example. You see, houses are insanely increasing in price all the time so the longer you wait, the more you pay!
So people taking out loans to get a house now is not a dumb move given future projections that houses will just start costing shit loads more.
Too many POWERFUL people have massive investments in housing and property to allow price drops!
Can't argue with you there, the world is messed up because of it
Please don't buy at this price. GPU manufacturers need to learn a lesson or two.